The exchange title deeds - Problem?

Moover321


Joined: 11/04/2009
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Message Posted:
20/05/2009 22:42

Let's get some perspective.







1. The question is not of any plan be it UN or otherwise as to date there is no agreement. Discussion about any plan is at best speculative.







2. The legal issue about the exchange land is one of 'Jurisdiction'. The TRNC may have given TC refugees and others (army) land which belonged to GC in the north. The point is outside of the TRNC And Turkey it is not recognised therefore any agreement is unenforceable!







3. If the TRNC gave land to a TC in exchange for land he lost in the south, if then the TC sells this on to anyone including an expat the ownership of the land has outside of the TRNC / Turkey exactly the same outcome! It will not be recognised.







4. The point is simple. The original issue of an exchange title still remains invalid outside of the TRNC. Any buyer of that land has exactly the same problem. Internationally the land still belongs to the GC in the north and if the TC lost land in the south that land belongs to him

Moover321


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Message Posted:
20/05/2009 22:47

Cont'd..2

5. The harder issue is what will happen now that expats and others have purchased 'exchange titles'. Though the TRNC have said that they will 'guarantee' such ownership, it is hard to see anyone owning such land being able to take a TRNC politician to court to enforce such a 'guarantee'.



6. It is for this reason that I asked on an earlier posting why the TRNC government's action concerning the sale of such land to expats et al - is at best ambiguous and at worst a deliberate attempt to deceive any potential buyer!



As a thought - could this be part of the rationale for the TRNC not issuing the PTP promptly? Or transfer of title deeds taking years as opposed to weeks?



I don't know the answer.



But it would appear that whether it is deliberate or otherwise the TRNC government is not doing anything realistic to protect a foreign buyer. Conversely, if they stopped the sale of such land they would simply get turfed out by the TC people!



Catch-22 4 foreiners!

kimandneil1


Joined: 15/05/2009
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Message Posted:
20/05/2009 22:49

so really what your saying is go back home

AlsancakJack



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Message Posted:
20/05/2009 23:00

Moover321

Another aspect is that there is some evidence that title deeds in the South have been altered/forged by the ROC goverment and there could be a very interesting announcement soon that could be as big as the expenses scandal in the UK. We will wait and see.

AJ

Moover321


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Message Posted:
20/05/2009 23:14

Kim & Neil.



No, I cannot tell people what to do! I can simply point out the issues and let people make up their own minds.



The safest bet would be to buy only Pre-1974 Turkish titles or their equivallent. The problem is even with these titles you need a good lawyer to ensure that all the i's are dotted and all the t's crossed but you will still need PTP!



Sometimes it is just simple questions that can unravel a problem!



My simple questions are:



1. Why does it take months or years to get PTP?



2. Why does it take forever to get title deeds?



3. Why is the system so opaque?



4. Why does the government make a public annoucement that they will 'guarantee' foreign ownership and yet do nothing to ensure such rights are part of the process for a negotiated settlement?



In an age of technology and quick processes there are no real answers to the above questions!



The conclusion therefore is either the TRNC is doing so deliberately or is negligently! Either way Catch-22

AlsancakJack



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Message Posted:
20/05/2009 23:19

Moover321

'4. Why does the government make a public annoucement that they will 'guarantee' foreign ownership and yet do nothing to ensure such rights are part of the process for a negotiated settlement?'



How do you know that it is not part of the 'process for a negotiated settlement'?

Moover321


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Message Posted:
20/05/2009 23:27

Because they would need to give those guarantees to the foreigners in an enforceable format. At present they are simply words of politicians and how many polititians do you know have been true to their words? If they were serious about including such in a negotiated settlement then there would be nothing preventing the TRNC issuing a bona fide guarantee to those foreigners buying in the TRNC!