Margaret Thatcher & The Falklands war

Fred8


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Message Posted:
23/05/2009 19:59

Does anyone agree with Caochie, in respect of the above by his comments at Msg 36 on the thread title "CTA & court judgement"?



Coachi we are 100% in agreement!! Surprise surprise!! We should agree more often.

Best

decanddyl


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Message Posted:
23/05/2009 20:23

Well said coachie, he did not appear to have any respect for any of the Armed Forces past or present, I have lost friends in a number of "conflicts" including NI, Falklands, Iraq, etc.

Coachie



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Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
23/05/2009 22:04

Fred8..I am not one to pull people up on spelling but my NAME IS COACHIE..O before the A thankyou..That would be quite simple my friend if you would just read my answers more than once before you reply. I re-read my last answer to you on that post and you totally lost what I was saying about Islam,but I am not going to hijack thread so I will leave it at that...



Decandyl..They are all so busy slagging Brown off they for get what Thatcher did to this country,and like you I lost friends and relatives in various conflicts aroud the world. Nobody likes war but it invariably is thrust upon us for reasons we some times find vague,but that war I found utterly beyond me. O.K. it was a "british" protectorate or what ever you want to call it,But was nothing more than a peat bog with a couple of hundred people living there. Should have moved them all back to the UK and given it back to the Argies. That idea was far to simple for the Iron Lady,We have loose ships,aircraft,soldiers for an ego

kimandneil1


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Message Posted:
23/05/2009 22:20

if we were to let the Argi's take the Falklands then that would of just been a open invitation for anyone to try and take any of the commonwealth... its whats called protecting GREAT BRITAIN,,,

i was in the first and the second gulf war and believe me the second time when we took Basra all we protecting was the oil nothing else, we bypassed the rest. what Maggi did was for the right reasons but this labour government just do it for the money.



at the going down of the sun and in the morning we will remember them.. all of them as i do every night

regards



Neil

Fred8


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Message Posted:
23/05/2009 22:21

" .. a couple of hundred of people""- But plenty of Sheep, sheep, etc .. CAOCHIE

lovingcyprus


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Message Posted:
23/05/2009 22:21

Well Coachie talking about egos what about your mate Tony Blair, I doubt if many bigger egos than him. He led us into a war in Iraq with a load of lies

dizzycows


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Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
23/05/2009 22:26

When Mrs Thatcher was there at least the world looked up to us, not like the last Blair/Brown governments, all lies and grabing!!!!!! plus under hand killing that perhaps you agreed with or simply want to push away as not nice to talk about. At least with Maggie, she had guts, not like the yellow bellies that you Coachie hold so high. We all have lost people in wars etc, its a fact of life, but to harp on about Thatcher as you, just makes me wonder why ? When at least her government didnt steal the Old age pensioners money, or have you selective memory!!

No affront ment by the way, but think you cannot keep slagging off someone without someone retaliating with their own views. Without Thatcher you certainly would not be in the position you are today, sitting in N.Cypus drinking beer.

taraspring


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Posts: 571

Message Posted:
23/05/2009 22:27

Coachie, Maybe you didn't agree with the principles of the Faulkland war?I really think you have to put yourself in the place of these Islanders, whether it was 200 people, 2000, or a couple of million, they were still British citizens who needed protection, irrespective of the fact that they were the other side of the World.Maybe too, they didnt want to be forcebly shipped back to the UK and leave their lives behind? I am sure they would have been asked.That was of course their choice to remain, and by remaining, and being British citizens, they needed that protection.Mrs Thatcher may have made "some" poor calls in her political life, but she was a decisive and forceful politician, who, to her credit, and that of the Conservative Party, allowed ordinary working class people the chance to own their own homes, which is something that cannot be attributed to the "so called" working class Labour Party. We have nothing of the calibre of Mrs Thatcher in politics today, mores the pity!

Fred8


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Message Posted:
23/05/2009 22:29

Neil, when Reagan went into Grenada in 1983, where was Maggie? incidently Grenada is a commonwealth country with a population of 107,000 people! I hope you see the irony of your statement

Fred8


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Message Posted:
23/05/2009 22:30

... Obviously the Iron lady,s defense of Falkland did not serve as a deterrence less than a year later!

kimandneil1


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Message Posted:
23/05/2009 22:33

Operation Urgent Fury (Grenada 1983) was to rescue US Citizens caught up in turmoil in that region

Fred8


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Message Posted:
23/05/2009 22:42

.. yes that was the public face but still it was an invasion is an invasion. Let me give the feeling of that event on the morning after. Walking down the corridor of a well known London college where incidently my professor at the time later became the official hstorian of the Falklads war, I came accross the wife of a parliamentarian. Her first remarks, forgetting even to say good morning, were "has Reagan gone mad, invading a commonwealth country the head of which country is the Queen" (or some words to that effect.

Fred8


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Message Posted:
23/05/2009 22:49

the public face for the invasion (800 US medical students at St Georges) few believed, not least her majesty's gov. I don't know if you recall something called communism, cuban constructon workers in Grenada, 10,000 foot airstrip, etc

Mr Vince


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Message Posted:
23/05/2009 22:58

If you think that Thatcher gave a sh*t about the population of the Falklands then you are living in a dream world.



Her intervention was simply to maintain a stopping off point for when Antartica's mineral rights are distributed. The time table for dividing these rights was just shortly afer her invasion. It had nothing to do with the rights of the population and everything to do with big business. It is nonscence to even think that he Falklands are British. The islands are 14 thousand miles from Britain. The islands are Argentinian. We stole them for our whaling industry. Maybe an Argie should do "An Orams" and get them back.

kimandneil1


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Message Posted:
23/05/2009 23:00

Oh shut up you boring man. what has happened has happened but what is going on at the moment in the middle east can be stopped if we had a gov with any god dam balls, and we would not of lost another soldier for nothing today



regards



Neil

littlejohn


Joined: 09/03/2009
Posts: 316

Message Posted:
23/05/2009 23:47

Thatcher broke the link between pensions and average earnings hence the reason pensions have fallen behind.

She did lots of other strange things like deregulation of financial services and look where that got us.

She stopped free school milk.

She increased prescription charges.

She caused the current dental crisis.

She interfered in the running of hospitals.

She let industries of all kinds go to the wall while other countries were subsidising theirs hence the demise of shipbuilding,aircraft,heavy engineering of all kinds,lorries,vans,trains,helicopters,furniture,computers and just about everything which we needed to trade with the rest of the world

Our "industrial estates are now modern slums full of "cluster"homes.

And before anyone mentions pay/conditions my colleagues in France,Germany,Spain,Italy,japan etc all were paid higher wages than me for the same job and most got more holidays!!!

And she squandered the Scots North sea oil.

She said there was no such thing as s

Blackpoolfan


Joined: 03/12/2008
Posts: 1568

Message Posted:
23/05/2009 23:47

Maggie the "Iron Lady" commanded respect took no prisioners and had that clown ronald regan in her pocket. What have we had since Major, Hague, Blair and Brown 4 puffs and a piano God bless her....................

Coachie



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Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
23/05/2009 23:48

Dizzycows..What underhand killing are you on about??As for Tony Blair I was glad to see the back of him.He was a failed Conservative with a smooth tongue ,bit like Cameron.Well now,I have just had a £10 week rise in my State Pension from that "yellow belly" government you are on about and Mrs Thatcher was in,I was paying 15%mortgage interest.Never that high under Labour or have you got a short memory.She went into the Falklands war thinking she could distract the publics attention from the dire state the economy was in.She also thought the Argies would run away before we got there.Nothing like a little war to distract people from what is really happening.Like I have said before,the only pension money that was stolen was by people like Maxwell and a few others who plundered pension funds to prop up their failing companies and dont forget it was Thatcherite greedy bankers who got us in this current predicament and it will be a dour jock who will get us out of it,not a spiv like Cameron..

taraspring


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Posts: 571

Message Posted:
23/05/2009 23:49

Can anyone explain to me why the bases are within the immediate vicinity of the oil fields, and what happened at Baghdad airport?

Fred8


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Posts: 253

Message Posted:
23/05/2009 23:51

Neil, can you clarify who your remarks in msg 15 is directed at so that whoever it is can respond appropriately - this is a civilised forum and civislised response would be welcomed by you I am sure

Blackpoolfan


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Posts: 1568

Message Posted:
23/05/2009 23:54

coachie,

My dear sir to suggest Brown will get us out of our current slump is potty to say the least, have you been on the sauce today Long live Maggie............

Coachie



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Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
23/05/2009 23:56

DizzyCows..I am not sitting in TRNC drinking beer.I am in the UK paying my way irrespective of what happens and I am proud to have done so for the 50 years I worked.I now enjoy my retirement and live quite well no thanks to your lot,but with a lot of thanks to my lot..If, they get inI will watch with interest at what they do,and the first thing they saywill be"well what do you expect after what we inherited" and you watch your tax and pensions then madam.There will be no £10 increases on your state pension,no winter fuel allowance,paying for NHS treatment,etc.etc..We shall see.......

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
24/05/2009

Oh well said Neil,( post 15) a lot of c--p gets posted on here, well said boy, Im new on this forum but already get cheesed off with some, no most of the rubbish being spouted out on it, there is only a few members who make any sence at all.

Coachie



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Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
24/05/2009 00:09

Blackpoolfan..No Sauce nowadays mate,old picture...Pound rising against the dollar and euro,and most other currencies.Car sales increasing due to scrapping allowance which is kicking back into other industries.My brother in law was put on 3 day week cos his company supplies the motor industry,now he has gone back on 4 day week.Not a big improvement but every little helps.Housing market slowly improving,and mortgages getting a little easier.I see other countries who adopted Browns ideas getting a little better.Dont laugh to loud Sir,for as they say" Funny old game this Politicing"..John Major was convinced he had lost and election over his parties goings on ,but a late surge got him in....Its never over till the final whistle....

taraspring


Joined: 25/01/2009
Posts: 571

Message Posted:
24/05/2009 00:09

The problem is there will always be staunch labourites irrespective of the fact that some cannot see beyond the facade. Blair has "milked" the system and gone, feathering his own nest along the way. This one is no different. Labour - for the ordinary man in the street??????....you are having a laugh. ha ha ha ha.

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
24/05/2009 00:12

Self self self again, all your answers, what about Browns borrowing that will affect our grankids lives eh? just look at the billions that we already will not,eve, be able to pay back.

So much more that I could rattle off to you but you lot just aint worth the effort to write it all down. Plus I cannot see the point in harping on like you seem to take pleasure in!

Neil, they are just all grumpy old men.

Woodspeckie


Joined: 25/01/2009
Posts: 2263

Message Posted:
24/05/2009 00:15

Blackpool fan. Coachie wears blinkers, he will deny that any Labour MP's have fiddled expenses, he will say it is only the Tories & Lib Dems!! I got a rise in my pension but now pay £3 more a month tax although my allowances and tax code went up, work that out coachie.

Fred8


Joined: 15/01/2009
Posts: 253

Message Posted:
24/05/2009 00:15

I think to make 'sence' of what you are attempting to say, you mean to say sense. You are free of course to go your way and I am sure not many will miss you since you are very knew on this forum and only 'a few make sence (sic)'. And I also believe the 'boy' is not such a 'boy' either. Please let us make 'sence'

Coachie



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Message Posted:
24/05/2009 00:18

And women..

Fred8


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Message Posted:
24/05/2009 00:21

Cheers! cant' resist saying that coachie.

Blackpoolfan


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Message Posted:
24/05/2009 00:26

Coachie

" Its never over to the final whistle" Lets hope the blades have spilled the claret blood by then or we may have to go into hiding...........

Blackpoolfan


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Posts: 1568

Message Posted:
24/05/2009 00:28

Woodspeckie

All you have to say is winter of discontent or the Iraq war or wheelie bins or council tax etc etc etc........

littlejohn


Joined: 09/03/2009
Posts: 316

Message Posted:
24/05/2009 00:29

Can understand people in their 30s and 40s believing the Thatcher nonsense but people in their 60s and 70s ??

Fred8


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Message Posted:
24/05/2009 00:33

I do not fall into any of the above decades so presumably I fall in the confusing bracket. But to get back to the threads main point which nonsense about about maggie is not clear. We make Coachie to clarify

Coachie



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Message Posted:
24/05/2009 00:34

Woodspeckie..If you had bothered to follow one these discussions previosly ,you will find that I said they should all be sacked if they have claimed unfairly.My own MP is one them.If I had tried that on with my company hen I was working ,not only woould I have sacked ,but I would have faced criminal charges for fraud.I do not believe in one law for them and another for the rest of us..As for your pension taxation,I am in the same boat,its called life.I do not like it anymore than you but those are the rules so stop your whingeing. I also said that if any MP stood up and said no retired person would pay tax he would walk the next election..so have alook at the picture madam,glasses not blinkers. the problem with you and some of the others is they want everything for nothing.



Tara spring ...They have done more for the working man than any Tory government ever will.Yes the Tories allowed the working man to own his home,they were all council houses built by a Labour government..

Lemtich



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Posts: 1487

Message Posted:
24/05/2009 00:34

It was a bit like this.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvE97zz5loc&feature=PlayList&p=942C15047B6BB96B&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=3



I still remember all of it.



Lem

Fred8


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Message Posted:
24/05/2009 00:41

Yes, Maggie was good at selling the silver ...... she did have a fierce reputation for this too as well as non-existent balls

taraspring


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Message Posted:
24/05/2009 00:49

Be proud of the troops that served this little community, and gave their lives so people could be free.

Agnes


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Message Posted:
24/05/2009 01:10

Dizzycows !! New to this forum yeah !! new name more like

phylray



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Posts: 1727

Message Posted:
24/05/2009 01:14

Duck islands, moat repairs, who but torys could do this to their constits. and fool are they

for not knowing their candidates better, and still these idiots support them! Shame on the labour

mbrs. too for they should surely know better. Not sure that some of the lynch mob are so innocent

either of fiddling expenses - they look vindictive!

Turtle


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
24/05/2009 01:47

They won in 1997 on promises of cutting sleaze





Need I say more !!

taraspring


Joined: 25/01/2009
Posts: 571

Message Posted:
24/05/2009 02:53

Coache,



"Tara spring ...They have done more for the working man than any Tory government ever will.Yes the Tories allowed the working man to own his home,they were all council houses built by a Labour government".



Shame then that the Labour goverrment did not have the foresight to think, or believe, that the voters should , or could, own their homes. Just showed you what they really thought eh? Keep 'em down.......IT Didnt work !



If it wasnt for Mrs Thatcher and her "Right to Buy scheme", many people would still be in rented council house accomodation.



They would not have the benefit of owning and having the freedom of selling up and going to pastures new such as TRNC, Spain etc., The World has been their "oyster" because of this lady and you, seek to tell me, just how bad she was.....?



Behave yourself.

Sorry you are so so wrong.

taraspring


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Posts: 571

Message Posted:
24/05/2009 03:34

In fact most working class people benefited from this.

I was not one of the BTW.

I had to buy my own (not council) home.

CyprusChill


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Posts: 666

Message Posted:
24/05/2009 05:12

Ruined industry but supported the forces big style. Hereford SAS, Paras and Gurkhas meet and greet in the hanger, following the return. Covered in the spoils of war and heads full of mosh to suit.

Coachie



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Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
24/05/2009 13:02

Tarasprings..I bought my own home,not council,but the whole Idea of "council" homes was for those who could not afford to buy their own,to have decent accomodation at a reasonable cost.Labour governments were all for people owning their own homes at reasonable mortgage interest rates,not 15%rates that were around when thatcher ruled.What a great vote catcher it was for her,get rid of council owned properties less expense for Tory controlled councils,and cheap houses for those of those who could really afford a house but found it cheaper to live in council houses.You can see it now on council estates,lousy gardens,but 3 cars sitting outside blocking roads..As for council tax,another brilliant Thatcher idea just it was called Poll Tax then..I am sorry madame but you will never ever convince me that Woman did any good for this country and its workforce..

Turtle


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Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
24/05/2009 13:07

I see Labour over the last 12 years have not done anything about the "Council Tax"......................................

only increase by 70% !!

Coachie



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Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
24/05/2009 13:25

Turtle..and still rising under Tory controlled councils.How uou doing you Cheadle misfit???



Blackpool Fan..I am with you on that one fella..Like I said the blades will "carve" them up,with a bit of luck...

Turtle


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Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
24/05/2009 13:34

Coachie I will be better tomorrow............. back to NC



You yet again have it wrong my oatcake eating friend most of the tory controlled councils are keeping the tax down (Tory policy) thats why central gov have had to cap high spending councils (Labour) or they would be even higher.



What do we see for our high Council Tax, binmen who hate emptying bins and do nothing but moan, litter in our streets not cleaned up, less coppers on the beat and last year they took a firepump off us and closed the local ambulance station.......................scandalous !!

briggus


Joined: 25/07/2007
Posts: 161

Message Posted:
24/05/2009 13:54

Reducing workers and in turn sevices in the public sector for efficiencies mmmmmmm who began this?



Closing shipyards in the NE and then the tax payer not just picking up the Unemployment benefit tab- but many workes then qualifying for higher benefits Invalidity and Disablement.



The I am alright Jack society and greed. Sowed the seeds for the increase in crime. Amercanised business partctices - brought in fat cat consultants that have been paid miiions of tax payers money. A reliance on property prices.



Made us more reliant on the services sector and set up the system/freedom that bankers operated under and we have seen where that has got us.



But the above was fine as we were all paying less taxes - for some as long as they are that is fine - but they are the first to moan about crime, public services.



You do not get anything for nothing.

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
24/05/2009 15:19

Turtle you old tart,I was winding you up lol.Have a nice time,I will be there in 2 weeks time.If you are still there,we should have a drink and sort out the worlds credit crunch..

Turtle


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Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
24/05/2009 15:42

Coachie we fly back on the 7th June...it would be good to meet for a pint or three

Woodspeckie


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Posts: 2263

Message Posted:
24/05/2009 15:56

I don't want anything for nothing, only what I have worked hard for. Scroungers who get benefits don't pay tax but can get more than I get in pensions, most of these have never done a days work in their life just claim incapacity and disablement benefits.

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
24/05/2009 16:15

Woodspeckie..I agree with you,but they are not all scroungers,and if they are on their own they dont get all that much.Perhaps we will have another Daily Telegraph article on Benefit Scroungers,name and shame.I have no worries about shopping a scrounger to the authorities. they will only get more than you if they have a horde of kids to feed,and they are welcome to those.Dontgive yourself ulcers or a heart attack by worrying about it because I dont see any change on the horizon yet...

Woodspeckie


Joined: 25/01/2009
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Message Posted:
24/05/2009 17:23

I could use a foolscap sheet of paper to name people I know of in my village, they don't have hordes of kids just men and women living together and both claiming benefits, 2 mobility cars in one household and he services cars on the side, living in a brand new four bedroomed house and stare you in the face, they are the ones who get me riled up.

lovingcyprus


Joined: 02/03/2007
Posts: 1272

Message Posted:
24/05/2009 21:12

Coachie,



Remind who was in government in the UK in 1974 - 1974 You will will find that at the beginning of 1977 interest rates were 15% so your statement in message 18 was totally incorrect.



I really think you must be wearing rose tinted specs and suffer from memory loss

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
25/05/2009 14:20

Loving cyprus..Dont like rose tinted glasses not to my liking.I bow to your superior knowledge.Could be a slight case of memory loss,happens to us all at some time..

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
25/05/2009 17:21

Lovingcyprus..Having done a little research I have found that 1974and 1979 (labour) the mortgage rates varied from13.9%to 15.96%.So you were absolutely spot on,BUT from the time the Tories took over in 1979 after their election win we had ELEVEN YEARS of DOUBLE DIGIT interest rates varying between18.17% to 11.9% in 1992 so I was right as well.Shall we call it a draw...

rdsteve


Joined: 01/03/2009
Posts: 187

Message Posted:
25/05/2009 21:58

The first thing brown did when labour came to power was rob the company pension funds sold the gold at rock bottom prices. This crisis we are in now is not a previos conservitive goverment problem but a tax and spend labour goverment. It will taken years for the UK to get out of this mess My sons 18 what life has he got for the next 30 yrs.



Steve

lovingcyprus


Joined: 02/03/2007
Posts: 1272

Message Posted:
25/05/2009 22:17

Coachie



Draw declared

Fred8


Joined: 15/01/2009
Posts: 253

Message Posted:
25/05/2009 22:23

So far so good, now that the warring parties have delared a drawbut what of "Margaret Thatcher & The Falklands war"?

ppervis51


Joined: 25/05/2009
Posts: 22

Message Posted:
26/05/2009 07:09

hi all, we cant just blame maggie for the war