Neuter and return policy for Dogs, Do we agree with it or not?

mitsi


Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 345

Message Posted:
25/05/2009 15:41

We would welcome your views on Kar's policy of Neuter and Return of dogs. Whilst we agree with this procedure for cats, who are better adapted and solitary hunters, we disagree with same for dogs who are pack animals and do not fare well on their own. Several of these dogs now frequent our garden and have become a public nuisance. It's soul destroying as we are avid animal lovers and feel so bad for them but cannot take in all these creatures and Kar ultimately hope that we , the public, will. The centre is grossly over-crowded and the emphasis is on quantity rather than quality of life. Whilst they have and are doing great work, we feel it's high time for them to evaluate their policies. The Government need to take responsibility too and HELP Now! Education is vital and urgently needed and they should get this underway asap. We can no longer visit the centre to see the conditions of over-crowding and disease spreads like wildfire,(liken it to concentration camps).

rigsby


Joined: 21/09/2007
Posts: 912

Message Posted:
25/05/2009 16:01

So you would rather see dogs breeding even more,Goverment help,carry on dreaming.As you said the centre is overcrowded now,What do you think KAR should do?

Quarmby


Joined: 15/09/2008
Posts: 975

Message Posted:
25/05/2009 16:08

This subject has been aired many times on these Forums. I personally would wish to see more animal education by the Government but I do not hold my breath on this one. KAR are bound by the restraints of the vets who are the one's who have the equiptment to carry out euthanasia, KAR do not have this facility. So what can KAR do in this situation? Stop taking in stray dogs, because they know the situation regarding the vets?

Slightly off subject but I would like to thank Sibel the vet for all her help and compassion shown to us last night with the sad events with our beloved friend and pet. Thank you Sibel

rigsby


Joined: 21/09/2007
Posts: 912

Message Posted:
25/05/2009 16:10

Another point,What if there was no KAR?

daisy dukes


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Posts: 3815

Message Posted:
25/05/2009 16:18

I imagine if there was no KAR, the government would have to take some action...most likely with a gun



DD

The-Wicks


Joined: 27/05/2007
Posts: 2279

Message Posted:
25/05/2009 16:21

Until a policy of castration and euthenasia is adopted (cruel though it may sound) this problem with just keep escalating. I am aware of the policy whereby vets do not put healthy animals down, but this surely needs a radical overhaul? I have been told that it's a religious thing - I am not sure about this, but I'm sure others will confirm whether this is/is not the case.



KAR is fit to bursting and whilst I wholeheartedly agree they do a marvellous job against all the odds, I cannot and will not ever see the point of treating a stray animal and then returning it to the streets, only for the poor thing to possibly get injured again or starve to death.



In my honest and humble opinion, a mass castration exercise will be a good start to try and alleviate this problem which is obviously getting worse and will continue to do so.



J

scoobydoo


Joined: 10/11/2008
Posts: 2434

Message Posted:
25/05/2009 16:24

Well put Jean, I agree fully agree with your posting.

itfc1978


Joined: 31/03/2009
Posts: 187

Message Posted:
25/05/2009 16:24

Whether you agree or disagree with the neuter and return policy is irrelevant.



The number of animals,lack of space and reources leaves no other option.



The staff and volunteers at the centre do amazing work, and make life bearable for a great number of dogs, all they ask for is the odd donation and visit to the centre to spoil an animal in need. They are brave enough not to turn there backs on the animals because it can be a bit upsetting or you don`t happen to agree with the latest difficult decision a KAR individual has had to make.



If people spent as much time helping out as they do moaning and groaning on here the country would be a far better place.



KAR do get involved in education but it is not easy when you come across attitudes like it`s not manly to neuter and I can`t be bothered.



Go and take a dog for a walk they love it and it`s good for you

stellasstar1



Joined: 02/07/2008
Posts: 1519

Message Posted:
25/05/2009 16:47

I am sure that KAR do all that they can, but wouldn't it be better if the government did allow them the policy of euthenasia. My friend was overrun with strays that she fed, and then one day of them had a broken leg. She couldn't catch it but called KAR, and they did come and get it. But.....they amputated the leg and bought it back a couple of days later and just left it. That just cannot be right. Unfortunately the cat dissappeared, so don;t know what happened to it.

mitsi


Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 345

Message Posted:
25/05/2009 16:52

We have read all the above comments and Without KAR the situation here would be far worse and We did acknowledge that they do great work. However, There are old, sick dogs at the centre who have spent years there with no hope of rehoming. Surely euthanasia should be considered to make way for younger dogs. It is a very immotive subject and difficult to deal with but what else should we do? Battersea dog's home have such policies and I expect other organisations run along the same lines. Quality of life is more important than quantity!

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
25/05/2009 17:11

Unless you are a registered breeder,it would make common sense to neuter or spay your animals.Keeps the population down and the animals become less aggressive..

MsGarnet


Joined: 04/01/2009
Posts: 989

Message Posted:
25/05/2009 17:12

When I lived in Iran many years ago, very early in the morning when most folk where still abed, two Government sponsored men on a motorcycle would roam around; the man on pillion shooting each and every stray dog they saw (which is why ex.pats or whomever were always wise to keep their animals in-house until a certain hour). Many ex.pats would complain this was cruel - to my mind - more cruel was those that 'adopted' pregnant dogs, or other strays by feeding them daily, yet suddenly going on leave, or relocating, leaving multiple animals to starve to death, or die slowly by some terrible injury or cruelty. An organised cull, once a month, at a certain time so that pet owners could keep their animals safe, and those carrying out the cull, removing the bodies immediately and disposing of them, is the answer for TRNC.



Religion plays no part in the decision making process, one only has to read the Qu'ran to know that.



I am a dog lover, which is why I can mean what I say above.

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
25/05/2009 17:23

Ms Garnet

Perhaps we should be carrying out the same policies on human beings as some of them are no better than (I should have said 'worse than') animals.

AJ

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
25/05/2009 17:40

AJ..Every country to its own devices...They probably eat them in China and Vietnam and serve them to unwary tourist as some exotic meat dish..

negativenick


Joined: 10/11/2008
Posts: 6023

Message Posted:
25/05/2009 17:51

As an owner of two rotties, i have to agree with KAR - there is little market for the stray dogs, at least if they neuter the street ddogs, it stops them producing more street dogs.....

keithcaley



Joined: 13/06/2008
Posts: 2521

Message Posted:
25/05/2009 19:11

If everyone who thinks that 'they' - the Government - 'should do something' were to get organised and start lobbying and fund raising, and campaigning, and petitioning, and raising public awareness of the issue, then there is a chance that 'they' actually MIGHT 'do something'.

And while you're at it, an educational campaign, aimed at informing the locals of the benefits of neutering wouldn't be a bad idea.

You'll have to start at the beginning, and teach them to respect animals first, of course - because otherwise, quite frankly they wouldn't see the point of it! - At the moment they simply don't care if there are dogs starving and getting run over, so they don't see any need to do anything about it... (except put poison down indiscriminately).

I'll post again in a year's time and ask how you've got on, or whether you've confined your activities to complaining to other Brits on a Forum that 'they' ought to do something.

And before you ask - NO! I don't want to be the organiser

decanddyl


Joined: 17/01/2009
Posts: 792

Message Posted:
25/05/2009 19:37

Re educating the public : It would be feasible to start this in schools with volunteers going into the schools giving talks to the children they in turn will help educate their parents and so on.

westender


Joined: 14/05/2009
Posts: 328

Message Posted:
25/05/2009 20:23

Re message 17, i believe KAR already do this and they encourage school and college visits to the rescue centre so the students can see the problem for themselves.

I was in a restaurant one evening and a table of 'whinging' Brits were going on about KAR not doing enough to solve the stray dog probelm and how they shouldn't release the dogs they've neutered back on to the streets. I nearly launched into one but didn't want to spoil our evening out. People have to realise that KAR is a CHARITY and their resources are not limitless. Read the papers and you will realise that they have serious financial restraints and are coping from day to day. Change has to come from the government or the local councils, not KAR.

That's it, rant over.

dozza67


Joined: 11/07/2008
Posts: 607

Message Posted:
25/05/2009 20:26

I lived here in the early eighties when there was no KAR and dog were roaming around and dangerous. They were just shot by anyone who had a gun, even the soldiers in the buffer zone had to shoot them as they were very dangerous. Things have changed since more people came and KAR has nuetered a lot but there are still hundreds of these dogs all over the Island running wild and something has to be dome. At least with KAR trying their best to accommodate and nueter them it helps but it's not enough. It's no good people saying the Government should do something, they are just not bothered about the problem and never have been.

The-Wicks


Joined: 27/05/2007
Posts: 2279

Message Posted:
25/05/2009 20:29

dozza67 - I, too remember the times before KAR and, as you rightly say, things were far worse then. I agree, the Government are not interested, never have been and, in my opinion, never will be.



J

sienna


Joined: 09/01/2009
Posts: 1627

Message Posted:
25/05/2009 22:38

dozza they still do shot them .... so I have heard

ilovekibris


Joined: 18/05/2009
Posts: 394

Message Posted:
25/05/2009 22:52

dozza wrote: "I lived here in the early eighties when there was no KAR and dog were roaming around and dangerous. They were just shot by anyone who had a gun, even the soldiers in the buffer zone had to shoot them as they were very dangerous."

Very good point after 1974 there were packs of GC dogs with no owners roaming all over north Cyprus. Now its more controllable the nettle has to be grasped neutering for domestic dogs and destruction for unclaimed strays.

MsGarnet


Joined: 04/01/2009
Posts: 989

Message Posted:
26/05/2009 03:11

Alsancakjack - dogs aren't the sentient, cognisant beings we are, no voice box either, with which to find ways and means to improve their lot. I do wish that pets were neutered as a matter of course, and that one should have to register with a Vet (say) if one wanted to breed from a dog, and that once a dog has had a litter, it should be spayed and only dogs registered as studs be allowed to escape being neutered. There are so many feral dogs and cats creating a danger and living in abject misery, who if they had had, way back down the line, responsible owners, wouldn't be in the straitened circumstances they are now. I once caught ringworm on my face from laying on a sunbed in Cyprus, that proved to be a bed for stray dogs at night!!!!!!!!!!!

mitsi


Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 345

Message Posted:
26/05/2009 09:17

On Saturday we rescued a dog that was a victim of hit and run in Karakum and unfortunately was too seriously injured and did not survive. Our thanks go to Sibel, our vet, who was as wonderful as ever. Whomsoever left the dog like this may get their just deserts next time round, fingers crossed!

Still don't know if you all agree with the neuter and return policy? The dogs still spread diseases, have no protection from the fleas, ticks, heartworms, other worms etc; so cannot thrive or get up to satisfactory weight. A life of roaming around, scavenging in bins etc is not my idea of life at all. Being kicked and shunned wherever they go must be phsychologically damaging besides inflicting physical harm. Killing healthy animals makes us feel really bad BUT so does abandoning them to this life of abject misery, rejection and suffering.

The way we treat or mistreat animals reflects on us.