Patriotism is NOT Racism

Ste65


Joined: 23/03/2009
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Message Posted:
08/06/2009 23:51

I feel I really have to post this as an Englishman born and bred.. There is far too much immediate criticism of anybody who has a pride in England (and the rest of Britain for that matter) and I find patriotism cannot be expressed without accusations of racism.Have we become a country of people who are terrified to say how proud we are of British values, British culture, Christian religion, all that is good about Britain?

The Ghurkas for example, what a complete act of lunacy for the British government to ban Ghurkas who have served in the British army, fought wars and often died for us from retiring in the UK. Yet it seems any scumbag can come into the UK and live of the fat of the land without ever contributing a single thing to the UK.

Anybody who has served the UK, contributed to the good of the UK or can bring something of use to the UK without burdening UK society or welfare system is in my view an asset. There are too many foreigners using the word "racism" against Britain.

Ste65


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Message Posted:
08/06/2009 23:59

continued...



Before the political correctness brigade start slagging me off and trying to argue about Brits coming to TRNC just remember that Brits coming to TRNC bring lots of money into the economy. They do not burden the TRNC , they just bring hundreds of millions of £'s into the economy.



I am sick of pussy footing around this issue, once again I will state what I feel needs stating :-



PATRIOTISM is NOT RACISM



Thanks for reading my post.

jock1



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Message Posted:
09/06/2009 00:02

Red White and blue, What does it mean to You....

Fred8


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Message Posted:
09/06/2009 00:03

very convoluted and narrow view point of what patriotism is!!!

cronos


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Message Posted:
09/06/2009 00:04

Good points well made Stephen.



But let's be clear that the BNP are NOT about patriotism.

Lilli



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Message Posted:
09/06/2009 00:05

Ste65 I never thought of it that way but you are so right. we come here in good faith keep buisness alive an d not expect to take. I only wish he TRNC govenment would regonise this. I for one keep Vets in buisness but they dont keep me in buisness nor does our butcher suppliers etc x thank you for pointing it out. food for thought now xxxx

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
09/06/2009 00:14

Ste65



I'm from a tribe that wave the Union Flag more often that mainland Brits and I've grown up to realise that National fervour is fine for International sport, but when it means pride infers some sort of superiority - that we are right and "they" are "wrong".. a line is crossed..



What is a "British" product that defines the UK ? .. A Jag - ( Indian) a Rolls Royce ( German) ... Many poarts of the UK don't WANT to be called British .. ( Scots/ Welsh, Cornish) - so WHAT is British Culture? Christianity didn't start in Britain - it was imported... So, many facets of our culture " that are good about Britain" weren't British..



I don't think *I'm* foreign and there are too many racist Brits who forget that our culture is what it is through centuries of evolving - including being invaded ... Do we live in Cyprus and become Muslims or Greek Orthodox..do we speak Turkish or Greek.. ? Be honest we try to put our values on their island..bloody foreigners ! ;)

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
09/06/2009 00:18

cont - as your second post wasn't up...



Many foreigners come and came to the UK and contributed to our economy, too !



In Cyprus, many Brits use Brits to install their Satellite dishes, build their houses, paint their houses, cut their hair...they open Italian Restaurants/ British pubs..



Then we might go "home" and say immigrants don't integrate...

bogeyman


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Message Posted:
09/06/2009 00:24

ste 65 spot on

Lilli



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Message Posted:
09/06/2009 00:25

its so hard mark we do try. If we go to coffe shops etc we would have a better chance but you are right to open an italian restaurant we have no hope in hell to get the locals. Greek side we would make mone as they have the dining out culture. We have tried very hard to integrate beleive me. love to you both xxxx

littlejohn


Joined: 09/03/2009
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Message Posted:
09/06/2009 00:26

I joined the forces years ago like lots of others because I needed a job!

Serving my country did not come into the decision!I was 16.

I cannot understand this patriotism bit!!

What exactly is it that you lot are proud of?

The behaviour of Brits abroad?

The behaviour of Brits at home?

The behavour of elected politicians who are supposed to set an example?

The behaviour of the very rich who consistently fail to pay their dues and employ clever accountants and lawyers to avoid/evade their taxes hence shifting the burden onto the ordinary man in the street?

The behaviour of the aristocracy and royalty who ponce about dripping in wealth while there are kids in our communities who don't have the basics in life?



Most of my friends are "patriots"

None of them have been in the forces.

I would not like to rely on any of them in a "fix"

But they are all nice chaps who are proud to be British!

proger1



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Message Posted:
09/06/2009 00:40

littlejohn, I also joined the forces for a career and it had nothing to do with serving my country. The enlistment sargeant at the careers office sold me on a trade and a reasonably good salary for that time at that age. I don't remember him once mentioning serving my country until I had to repeat the oath of aliegence and take the queens shilling (I think it was actually 10 pounds at that time).



Mark, I can't speak for all the Scots but when you said we don't want to be called British I can only say that I don't mind being called British (I was born in Great Britain), I just don't like being called English mainly due to the fact that many non British think the two are the same.



The simplest way I can put my opinion in reference to Jock's Red, white and Blue is Blue for the Oceans we've conquered and crossed, red for the blood we've spilt and white for the politicians flags who give in to any demand just to gain the votes.



Scotland and Britain forever

Checkmate


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Message Posted:
09/06/2009 02:47

Well put proger, spot on.



And lets not forget our forefathers who paid the ultimate sacrifice to ensure what we have today!!

Ste65


Joined: 23/03/2009
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Message Posted:
09/06/2009 02:49

I think some people have missed my point here. I am kind of agreeing with the mindset of people who are pissed off with the UK being overrun with bums who just want a free lunch. Piss off back to were you came from is what I am saying. Unless of course you actually want to contribute something positive to the UK.

Another point I'd like to make is why do so many of these so called asylum seekers cross at least 5 or 6 countries before they reach the UK. Surely the definition of asylum is to find you first safe haven from the danger that made you leave your homeland. So please answer this question, why did you cross all those countries that could have given you safety?

I will answer it for you, the UK is too soft and it has become the favourite port of call for all kind of spongers of the world. Have we all gone mad, the UK is knackered, the piggy bank is empty, someone put an end to this madness. No wonder a lot of normal, hardworking people feel their only option is the BNP.

proger1



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Message Posted:
09/06/2009 04:04

Ste65, that is what I was referring to with the white flag bit.

I am being pretty hypocritical I suppose if I complain about the UK considering I have not lived in the country for 7 years but the reason I don't want to move back there is partly because of exactly what you say above.



In the words of my darling mother when I mentioned I was considering returning to the UK "What the hell do you want to live in this F'd up country for?"

ozzieTC


Joined: 15/05/2009
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Message Posted:
09/06/2009 04:32

If the agenda in British politics turns anti Turkish, you have to wonder how the agenda in Turkey and the TRNC will turn with respect to the British guests that live in the TRNC. President Talat has already stated that concessions will have to be made on the property issue, do you suppose he will sell out his own people?

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
09/06/2009 08:59

Hi Lilli



re msg 10



My reference to Italian Restaurants was in no way a "pop" at you...it was an example that came to my head..



*I* made a living in Cyprus supplying a service - the local incumbent companies did not like the competition from a non Cypriot - I started pre EU days.. and so I've seen the "Jobs for locals" mentality from the Cypriot mentality..



When I hear it from Brits - esp. those who have a place abroad, one has to wonder...

britvic



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Message Posted:
09/06/2009 10:42

I have posted this from another thread as I think it is relevant here as an example of what Ste is trying to say.



"Hi 6 M's There are however still too many 'illegals' in this country, there is even a special squad going around rounding them up on a daily basis, I watched a programme the other day and this squad pulled a man up at a bus station only to find his Visa had ran out 6 years prior! What has he been doing to support himself for the past six years? He had gotten himself a false passport from a child that had died and who would have been the same age as him, when they raided his house there where 10 people living their who were also 'illegal' and also had passports from dead children, they had acquired credit cards and various other forms of I.D too.



It can't be that difficult then, all you need is a foot in the door say your staying for six months - 1 year as a student, even gain a place in a University......................Then disappear, that's what they did."

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
09/06/2009 11:10

Dear Britvic



re msg 18



Perhaps you should have also posted my response ;)



Yes, the process for processing Asylum seekers is wide open to abuse.. the applicants get "in" and disappear off the radar..



The UK didn't check when folk LEFT.. no passport control.. so the authorities don't have a clue WHO is here !



In Cyprus they know when you come in or out and it is easy to work out who has overstayed.



As you know the fines for employing illegals are HUGE .

clarets



Joined: 08/01/2009
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Message Posted:
09/06/2009 11:33

Cronos...."lets be clear"? You dont know anything about the BNP or what they stand for from what you have already posted,so please spare the left wing looney lecture. Ste65 has summed up what a huge number of people feel,and I tend to agree with him.

Littlenige



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Message Posted:
09/06/2009 11:44

Do you disagree with this ?





On current demographic trends, we, the native British people, will be an ethnic minority in our own country within sixty years.



To ensure that this does not happen, and that the British people retain their homeland and identity, we call for an immediate halt to all further immigration, the immediate deportation of criminal and illegal immigrants, and the introduction of a system of voluntary resettlement whereby those immigrants who are legally here will be afforded the opportunity to return to their lands of ethnic origin assisted by a generous financial incentives both for individuals and for the countries in question.



We will abolish the ‘positive discrimination’ schemes that have made white Britons second-class citizens. We will also clamp down on the flood of ‘asylum seekers’, all of whom are either bogus or can find refuge much nearer their home countries.

clarets



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Message Posted:
09/06/2009 12:13

I totally agree with it....isnt it from the current BNP policies ?

ilovekibris


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Message Posted:
09/06/2009 21:07

Ste65 wrote:L " No wonder a lot of normal, hardworking people feel their only option is the BNP."

It took you a while but you got there in the end.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
09/06/2009 21:29

re msg 21



>>Do you disagree with this ? <<



YES



a) it's largely incorrect / not true



b) if folk are illegally here / over-stayers they can be deported anyway



c) We should have visa deposit scheme - the host have to offer up a bond refundable when the Visa national leaves within the time limits.



d) asylum seekers - the problem is there ARE genuine applicants.. even if we left the EU the ECHR would tear the UK apart if we behave like some folk wish.

Lilli



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Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
09/06/2009 21:36

A stranger in your own country now sadly. They could learn a lot from the system here and the means to stay here. Adopt that in the UK they would all be turned back

ataturk


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Message Posted:
10/06/2009 11:30

Well I support St George he`s as british as they come or is he?

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
10/06/2009 11:57

Dear Ataturk



St George is also Georgian - look at their flag



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Georgia_(country)





It always tickles me when English folk think it symbolises "Englishness" ;)

clarets



Joined: 08/01/2009
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Message Posted:
10/06/2009 12:15

Mark...Msg 24 ....and if I had a much smaller brain,couldnt think for myself,and was dishonest to a fault....I'd be a politician in the UK

phylray



Joined: 21/09/2007
Posts: 1727

Message Posted:
10/06/2009 15:25

"Patriotism is not enough" I seem to recall these being the words of a famous

nursing heroine during WW1. I think we should try to see the lartger picture.

But certainly criminals, including convicted murderers, should not ever be allowed

into our country, and when jobs are short, immigration must be limited. That's

just common sense.

ilovekibris


Joined: 18/05/2009
Posts: 394

Message Posted:
10/06/2009 16:31

Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel.



Samuel Johnson

stevie-d



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Message Posted:
18/06/2009 18:12

Was St. George not from Libya??????

stevie-d

ataturk


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Message Posted:
18/06/2009 18:52

St George is the patriot saint of a lot of things and a lot of countries. He has not set foot in England and was born in Turkey before it was named Turkey. The fact that he is not english does not really make a lot of difference as St Patrick isnt irish and St Andrew isnt scottish. What I do find amusing is that a lot of english people think that he is english but that is a misconception