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dodger



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http://www.northcyprusdaily.com/news/Life/Varosa-built-on-Evkaf-land.asp





Just found this article but unsure what Evkaf land is.Could someone on here please explain,

Paul.



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Dodger,



Yes I could! But I will not bother. Google it!



Take care,



Wyn



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Thanks Paul



That is a good read............



dodger



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Cheers Wyn i hope your rabbit dies and you cant sell the hutch,lol



dodger



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Cheers Saints glad i have one allie on here,

Paul.



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wefminster is built on green cheese well they do seem to be away with the fairys...................



TheSaints



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At the end of the 1980s, the total area of the "TRNC" was measured at 2,496,370 hectares. Of this area, 56.7 percent was agricultural land, 19.5 percent forest, 4.96 percent uncultivated, 10.68 percent occupied by towns, villages, and roads, and 8.16 percent unusable. In 1975, of the agricultural land, 50 percent was cultivated; by 1987, some 68.7 percent was cultivated.



The "TRNC" recognized three categories of land ownership: private, state, and communal. The greatest amount of land was privately owned. Unrestricted legal ownership of private land in Cyprus dated only from 1946, when the British administration enacted a new land law, the Immovable Property (Tenure, Registration, and Valuation) Law, which superseded the land code in effect under the Ottomans. Under the Ottoman code, all land belonged to the state, and those who worked the land were in effect hereditary tenants whose right to the land was usufructuary. Land could be transmitted from father to son, but could not oth



cooper


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Here's a link explaining - http://reference.allrefer.com/country-guide-study/cyprus/cyprus97.html



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TheSaints



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but could not otherwise be disposed of without official permission. The 1946 British law ended this tradition, stipulating that all state land properly acquired by individuals became their private property. Communal land remained as before, but all unoccupied and vacant land not lawfully held became the property of the state. As a result, virtually all forests become state property.

The Muslim religious foundation Evkaf Idaresi (Turkish Religious Trust, usually known as Evkaf) was the largest private owner of property in the "TRNC." Before the events of 1974, Evkaf owned 1 to 2 percent of the island's total farmland. These holdings dated back to Ottoman times and were mainly donations in perpetuity from members of the Turkish Cypriot community. Much of Evkaf's land was located in parts of the island that remained under the control of the Republic of Cyprus



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Cheers Saints,

So there could be a few tc title deeds kicking about then,

Paul.



TheSaints



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Not only did the GC's steal TC land they stole it from a religous trust....



AnthonySmith


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I read in Cyprus Today recently that Evkaf gave up its rights to Maras in 1960 for about £1.5 million. Turkey pushed this line a year or so ago but have been unable to show anything plausible to the European Court of Human Rights, which still insists most of Maras belongs to Greek Cypriot people. But this rumour keeps on doing the rounds.

While I have no particular love for the Greek Cypriots, fair's fair, I guess. No stealing, except by Turkey, it seems in this case.



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Anthony Smith,



Was the money not allegedly paid to the British. Was it not denied, and no written receipt available.



Sounds like a nasty case of "Caveat Emptor" to me.



wyn



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I find it strange that either the ROC in its records or the British who were in control of Cyprus at the time don't just produce the documents that evidence the purchase of the Evcaf land. Surely documents for something this important must exist.



Similarly Evcaf itself should have records.



Aussie



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What a meaningless and badly written load of old pants. Nobody seems to have cared much about Evkaf properties (or not) for all the decades that something could have been done about it. Where are the writs? Where are the cases lodged at the ECHR? Where is there any evidence that anybody gives a toss?



Praxandros


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When some ones (unlawfully and illegitimately) become the occupiers of as much as 36% of a countryís territory (and 58% of an islandís most valuable zone, i.e. its coastlines,) while at the same time they represent only the 18% of its indigenous and legitimate population; naturally will be keen to invent all kinds of theories and claims in order to justify why they do what they do! Nothing so strange or unnatural in these Turkish claims, which apparently were attempted to be made at the ECtHRs in the Cyprus vs. Turkey, Loizidou and Arestis cases, but were swiftly thrown out of the window by the court as they lacked evidence and substance!



dodger



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Mess 16-and was this a kangaroo court,

Paul.



Aussie


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According to this GC legal Site in its ebook Intorduction to cyprus law (with forward by ex President Clerides)



http://www.neocleous.com/



Prior to Sept 1, 1946 (p576) the Ottoman land system applied in which



1) Only land known as Arazi Memlouke (or Mulk) could be privately owned up to 1/2 donnum in size



2) Public land called Arazi Mirie including cultivated land meadows woods etc belonged to the public with possession allocated to individuals in a form of tenancy arrangement with 1/10 of the earnings form the land paid as rent /tax to the state. The individuals couldn't transfer the land and the state could take it back in certain circumstances



3) Efkaf land was known as Arazi Memlouke and was for religous or community purposes



There were also several other categories of public land



On Sept 1, 1946 the British gave/ converted to private ownership those in possession of Arazi Mirie land and Efcaf land (but the foundation retained rights to most of it).



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The upshot of this was prior to Sept 1, 1946 ther was very little private land ownership and probably even less GC private ownership.



Claims of large GC landholdings for generations are obviously false as at best prior to that time they had a kind of tenancy / feudal interest in the land which was under Ottoman law held for the benefit of the state and couldn't be automatically passed on etc.



It appears the land was effectively gifted by the British to those in possession of it at the time.



Given the lack of payment/ consideration the principles of Cyprus property law rest on a recent and shallow foundation.



The level and manner of payment of compensation for any Efcaf land acquired by the state and whether it was voluntary or compulsory is an interesting point for which I have so far not seen properly explained.



Aussie



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