Remove TRNC Flags, Orders Top EU Official

ilovekibris


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Message Posted:
18/06/2009 19:57

A European Union official ordered that the TRNC flag attached to the podium from which she was giving a speech was covered over.



Alessandra Viezzer, an EU official from the EU office responsible for relations with the Turkish Cypriots, was attending a ceremony to commemorate the allocation of EU funds to replace asbestos pipelines of a school in Lefkosa.



Prior to the start of the ceremony, a worker from the Lefkosa Turkish Municipality was seen covering the Turkish and TRNC flags on the popdium with a white cloth.

Media officials in attendance quickly raised the question as to why the national flag had been covered over, in response to which Lefkosa Municipal Head, Cemal Bulutogluları intervened and removed the cloth.



Deniz Birinci, the Foreign Affairs Officer of the Lefkosa Turkish Municipality, has issued a statement over allegations that she had in fact alerted Mrs Viezzer by asking her “if the presence of the flags would have made her uncomfortable”.



source: Cypru

ilovekibris


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Message Posted:
18/06/2009 20:00

source: Cyprus Star.

And if this BB didn't have a "limited characters per post" function I could have added that the EU official moved away to another podium with an EU flag and no Turkish stuff.

girne 29


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Message Posted:
18/06/2009 20:46

ilivekibris.

I dont see what you are getting at.Are you saying they were wrong to cover the flags?



The woman could not have been seen to stand on a podium with a TRNC flag.

She would have understood the objections that the ROC, a member of the EU for whom Viezzier works, would have had with what they would have seen as a form of recognition.

As such it was the sensible thing to do.

The foreign affairs officer showed good sense if she did indeed alert Viezzier,and prevented any embarrassment.



Maybe this is an example of what is wrong with the press.

How much was said about a lot of nonsense about flags,compared to

how much was said about the benifits to the schoolchildren of replacing the asbestos and any other examples of how EU aid is helping improve peoples lives in the TRNC.

Teresa


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Message Posted:
19/06/2009 08:52

Of course they were wrong to cover the flags, what you fail to understand is that the Tutkish Cypriot people are very proud of their flag and as such covering them is an insult to the TRNC as a whole.

This was just another case of not upsetting the ROC and to hell with the rights of the Turkish Cypriots.

sporty


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Message Posted:
19/06/2009 09:04

more crap thrown at the north! When will the ROC learn?I can understand bitterness between the 2 sides but theres no way its ever going to be sorted out whilst they have this mentality.I mean its been 40 yrs or so,another generation now! Talk about deep rooted or what?

cypwine


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Message Posted:
19/06/2009 09:44

Looks like the TC EU lady is sick of the way the tcs are being treated by Turkey and wants them the tcs to be able to enjoy the EU along side all Cypriots and for them to be recognised for what they are, that is cypriots...

ilovekibris


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Message Posted:
19/06/2009 12:30

girne 29,

Whoever put the TRNC flags there in the first place was a chump. Embarrassing a guest representing the EU (which most Turkish Cypriots wish to join BTW) shows how immature and useless certain TRNC authority figures are. They wouldn't even rate running a parish council.

Teresa


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Message Posted:
19/06/2009 12:36

ilovekibris will you be changing your name to ilovecyprus and what is your source for saying that most Turkish Cypriots wish to join the EU. They love their independance and they love their flag, they wont give that away very easy even if it does mean continued embargoes.

Stubs


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Message Posted:
19/06/2009 12:47

Turkey or the TRNC is not part of the EU and the flags should not have been present.

ilovekibris


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Message Posted:
19/06/2009 12:47

teresa wrote: "what is your source for saying that most Turkish Cypriots wish to join the EU"

How about the overwhelming vote to accept the Annan Plan? Unless you can provide more credible evidence. Do you really think the TCs want to stay a part of a failed statelet that limps on to ruin amid globalisation and recession? Maybe we mix in different circles.

Blackpoolfan


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Message Posted:
19/06/2009 12:49

What would you want to join the eu for? But hey you are run by Brussels and have to do as you are told maybe that's the answer.............

Teresa


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Message Posted:
19/06/2009 14:05

ilovekibris maybe we do move in different circles, yes you are right there was an overwhelming vote for the Annan plan the carrot was dangled we voted yes and the carrot was pulled away, now think about the old saying once bitten twice shy lets see what the response is at the next referendum.

CyprusChill


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Message Posted:
19/06/2009 19:45

Credit to all those considerate enough to tackle the issue of asbestos and potential health impact to children and staff alike at this necessary community building.

To those that flagged it up and are responding accordingly, you deserve applause.

vincehugo


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Message Posted:
19/06/2009 20:03

ILK Re Msg 10



How can you conclude that voting for the Annan Plan was a vote for the EU. It was a vote for a solution to the problem of a divided island and the GC imposed isolation of the Turkish Cypriots. That does not mean it was a vote for the EU. Are you saying that if the RoC had not sneaked its way into the EU at the same time then the Annan vote would have been different?

ilovekibris


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Message Posted:
19/06/2009 20:20

Teresa,



Don't you think the many thousands of mainland Turkish settlers would dearly love to become EU citizens? Do you really think they'd rather scratch a miserable existance in the TRNC than move to the UK, Germany or anywhere in Europe? You can bet they're glad they were made "Turkish Cypriots" and that they didn't stay put in Turkey, which is years from joining the EU. What an opportunity for them - and all they have to do is vote for a settlement.

One thing I've noticed over the years is the longer some people live in a TRNC bubble, the more out of touch with common sense and reality they seem to get.

ilovekibris


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Message Posted:
19/06/2009 20:22

vince,



See my post above. The carrot of EU citizenship swung it for the mainland Turks who outnumber the native Turkish Cypriots two to one.

wynyardman



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Message Posted:
19/06/2009 20:25

Teresa,



As much as I respect the way you live your life, I cannot agree with you, on this one.



They were right to cover the TRNC flag, and it was wrong to embarrass their guest in the first place.



The TRNC now occupy the moral high ground. They voted with the voice of compromise, proposed by the International



community...Annan.



Now after the most intense negotiations (held in good faith) the honourable people of the TRNC must vote YES again to



what Talat has negotiated.



IF the GCs dare walk away, they have lost the moral high ground, and YET AGAIN they have ignored the wish of the



International Community. AT THAT POINT, The International community will see the truth of The TRNC and will throw their



support behind them. A divided Cyprus or a seperate "microstate". A solution awaits!



Now is the time that we must all keep our nerve.!! Good fortune favours the brave.



PS I used to think that bipolar was where Eskimos went on holiday, until I jo

elko2



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Message Posted:
19/06/2009 20:34

If I was the mayor, I would have done exactly the same thing. I would not allow the flags to be covered up for convenience. However, it was correct to inform the guests in advance and give them a chance to hold the meeting elsewhere.

ismet

wynyardman



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Message Posted:
19/06/2009 20:52

Ismet,



They say pride comes before a fall. The TRNC is an illegal state (at this point in time) and as such unrecognised by The International community. Protocol...is just that!



wyn

elko2



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Message Posted:
19/06/2009 20:55

Wyn,

Charity begins at home. First we must respect our own country before we expect respect from others.

ismet

jobstogo


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Message Posted:
19/06/2009 20:59

i live in the uk and being in e u is the worst thing that happen to the u k and it will be the same for north and south cypriots as time goes bye good luck to you all

vincehugo


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Message Posted:
19/06/2009 21:00

ILK Re Msg 16



And you know that for a fact, do you?

wynyardman



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Message Posted:
19/06/2009 21:00

Ismet,



You of all people. Respect for the law! The TRNC (AT THIS POINT IN TIME) is an illegal state! Now I am all for altering that



status. Hopefully in the coming months The International Community will AT LAST concur.



wyn

Teresa


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Message Posted:
19/06/2009 21:12

ilovekibris i am not talking about the mainland Turks i am talking about the Turkish Cypriot people.



Wyn i respect your opinion however i think we need to wait and see what is on the table before deciding whether to vote yes next time. I remember all too well the lengthy discussions over countless cups of coffee before the last referendum. It was the one guaranteed conversation in every household everyday for weeks prior. Rightly so the Turkish Cypriot people feel very betrayed by the "outside" world who offered everything for their yes vote. Nothing has changed since the last referendum. The current talks are being done behind closed doors and not much is being made public yet so it is very hard to say which way any vote would go if we ever get to that stage.



Elko i agree with you 100%

harryroberts


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Message Posted:
19/06/2009 21:25

Turkey or the TRNC is not part of the EU and the flags should not have been present.





correction turkish cypriots are part of the eu ask some of the thousands who have roc id cards.

trnc is also part of the EU but the trnc government has no say as they are not reconised by europe

Stubs


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Message Posted:
19/06/2009 22:43

Harry



The acquitis is suspended in the TRNC. The TRNC or Turkey are not part of the EU.



Those Turkish Cypriot Citizens who have TRNC/Turkish passports are not even EU citizens.



If the TRNC is part of the EU as you claim why is there restrictions with regards the freedom of movement of goods and people ie passport control?

ilovekibris


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Message Posted:
19/06/2009 22:51

Vince msg 22,



I'm sure of it. Wait and see.

ilovekibris


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Message Posted:
19/06/2009 22:52

teresa,



Would you care to hazard a guess as to how many mainland Turks hold kimlik cards and masquerade as Turkish Cypriots? After that ask yourself how much they outnumber native Turkish Cypriots.

vincehugo


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Message Posted:
19/06/2009 22:54

ILK Re Msg 27



You may be sure of it but that doesn't make it a fact. I'm very happy to wait and see but I am pretty confident that joining the EU will only be one of many factors deciding how people vote should we ever get to that point.

ilovekibris


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Message Posted:
19/06/2009 23:01

vince,

Absolutely there will be many factors but the overriding one will be the ability to massively improve one's quality of life. If you think the Poles went for the West big time wait until Johnny Turk has his EU passport. Unless of course you think he'd prefer to spend the rest of his days playing tric trak in a crowded tea joint off Tin Pan Alley.

harryroberts


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Message Posted:
19/06/2009 23:48

Stubs



Turkish cypriots are citizens of the roc they have freedom of movement they can obtain cypriot/Eu passports.



The acquitis is suspended in the TRNC. The TRNC or Turkey are not part of the EU

yes its supended but i dont need to explain to you why.



freedom of movement of goods in and out of cyprus is available to tcs providing they use the intrenationally reconised ports of entry its the turkish border control who make restrictions.



passport control i have never been asked to show my passport on the south side only the north.



turkish cypriots are not isolated they work use hospitals and claim benifits in the south as they are entitled too.

Oleander


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Message Posted:
20/06/2009 00:22

How many flags from other countries who are not in the EU were flying there?



The flags should not have been put up there in the first place.

girne 29


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Message Posted:
20/06/2009 01:12

ilovekibris

message 15



Wont happen,the Turks know this by now.They might hope for some sort of guest membership.

Even if Turkey did get in, the Germans/ French will do what they did with Poland etc.They refused to accept the new influx of labour for 5 years by simply stating their populations and society were not ready .Unlike us, they also look at the social costs of cheap labour as well as financial savings.



" Commission Opinion of 18 December 1989, in response to Turkey's application for full membership in 1987. The Opinion stated the "access of Turkish labour to Community labour market ... gives rise to fears, particularly while unemployment remains at a high level within the Community." Given that continuing high unemployment trends are still evident within the member states, this issue has therefore remained a problem area within the general context of Turkey-EU relations. "



If fears in 89, they must be terrified now, with even worse unemployment and extreme right.

Stubs


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Message Posted:
20/06/2009 01:16

Harry



With respect you seem a little mis-guided or mis-informed about the situation in Cyprus. When crossing from the north to the south TC registered cars, including those driven by ex-pats, are asked for ID Cards/Passports as well as asked to show a copy of their insurance. I can recount only on a couple of occasions when we were waved through without showing any id.



The freedom of movement of goods is governed by the green line regulation. It is not Turkish border control who control this but ROC customs in line with the said EU regulations. Any goods using this route must also receive the stamp from the Turkish Cypriot Chamber of Commerce which is recognised by the GC side. It is NOT Turkish border control who make these regulations as you claim.

Aussie


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Message Posted:
20/06/2009 02:08

Harry



I agree with Stubs virtually every time i cross the border either on foot or by car I get asked to show my passport by the GC police at the "non border".





IF the ROC aren't treating this as a defacto border why are there so many Police at Ledra Street immediately after the UN zone and why do they check the passports of everybody who is obviously not a GC.



Aussie

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
20/06/2009 12:29

Dear Jobstogo



re msg 21



>>i live in the uk and being in e u is the worst thing that happen to the u k and it will be the same for north and south cypriots as time goes bye good luck to you all<<



I also live in the UK, and haven't forgotten that the Nissan and Honda factories that came to Sunderland and Swindon are PRIME examples of how EU membership BROUGHT jobs to the UK..



1/ Skilled workers



2/ Less Red tape - re employment laws



3/ Ease of import / export - access to markets



4/ Infrastructure



What's changed ? ..



Recession, cheaper labour in East Europe, and more red tape from present Govt.



May I ask a Q.. who will we sell to - if we LEFT the EU, and WHY would they give the UK "special status"? .. UK workers can also move within Europe to find jobs.. live freely within Europe... it works BOTH ways..

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
20/06/2009 12:32

Dear Aussie, re 35



methinks you need to check out the Green Line Regulations as drawn up by the EU..



The RoC police are supposed to check the passports of EVERYONE crossing into the area they DO control - it is checked at a crossing point - NOT because it is a "border" - but because it is the first place where EU Immigration policies can be effected .. but you I think you knew that ;)

ilovekibris


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Message Posted:
20/06/2009 20:38

girne 29,



I accept what you say about Turks in TR but Turks lucky enough to be in the TRNC can see the finger of the EU beckoning - if only they put an "x" in the right box. And I'm pretty darned sure they'll do it again.

girne 29


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Message Posted:
21/06/2009 23:09

ilovekibris



dont think Turks in TRNC live in isolation from the rest of europe.What with internet ,telly and papers,they will know as much as any other that Turkey is VERY unlikely to get into EU.



To suggest that the rest of Europe is waiting to see how the Cyprus(where that?) vote goes ,before allowing Turkey to join would be extreme arrogance on the part of the Cyprus establishment.

the decision has been already been made.



I have said it before, Hans, Pierre,Fritz,Jose, couldnt care less about Cyprus, Holland France Germany and Spain ,are what they care about. They will in no way let their Governments allow Turkey in just because of the way some vote in Cyprus went.



1 million people in Cyprus, will have no bearing on what the other 500 million in EU think about allowing a further 72 million from Turkey or elswhere ,in.Enlargement is finished ,EU is already too large.



Has anyone heard a friend or workmate,talking about EU enlargement and Cyprus at the same time.

girne 29


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Message Posted:
21/06/2009 23:41

also



would it not be better for future relations between Turkey and ROC, for the EU as a whole to be seen to be threatening Turkey's entry rather than ROC,



Famagusta Post 21/6

"Cyprus President Demetris Christofias has warned Turkey that its European Union accession course could be at risk, if it does not meet its obligations to the Union and to Cyprus.



“Unless Ankara fulfills its commitments, it will find us on its path to join the Union,” the President said "



find us on its path!!! Pretty aggressive stuff.



I envisage one day,Europe,behind closed doors, telling Christofias "we will decide who gets into the EU, not you.Now beat it little man.

ilovekibris


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Message Posted:
22/06/2009 13:21

girne 29 wrote: "dont think Turks in TRNC live in isolation from the rest of europe.What with internet ,telly and papers,they will know as much as any other that Turkey is VERY unlikely to get into EU."

Absolutely, but Turks in the TRNC now have a golden opportunity to become free travelling citizens of Europe so why would they waste time worrying about their brethren over in Turkey?

Turkish settlers in north Cyprus would vote for reunification in overwhelming numbers if it meant they could get an EU passport - and that's what's probably going to swing it.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
22/06/2009 13:40

Dear ILC



re msg 41



I think we have to use "re-unification" loosely - i.e not implying it means going back to 1960's constitution - the "RoC"



I know you MEAN that - but it has to be pointed out .. ;)

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
22/06/2009 14:29

re msg 40



Girne_29 quoted on : “Unless Ankara fulfills its commitments, it will find us on its path to join the Union,” the President said " saying - Pretty aggressive stuff.







MMs : pretty restrained considering nearly 40% of it's sovereign territory is occupied...no ? ;)



Until TR allows RoC planes to overfly and land on TR territory and GC reg'd ships to dock in TR ports - as per the Ankara Accord - signed by TURKEY..as part of the accession process- it doesn't even have to be the "rump" RoC that is standing in TR's way ...



France, Austria, NL, etc will continue to point out TR is not "serious" as it doesn't comply with agreements it has signed during the accession process :(

girne 29


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Message Posted:
22/06/2009 16:41

mmmmm



I meant pretty aggressive insofar as sabre rattling at this time is stupid and childish.

The Turks know all that he says without him ramming it down their throats. Whats the game plan ,to insult them so much that they end up cutting off their noses to spite their faces. This is the same nonsense from both sides, thats held things up for the last 10 years



Comes a solution Cyprus will have to live with its powerful neighbour,Mr C should spend more time time trying to find an accomodation with the TRNC and less time getting up the Turks noses. Europe knows fine well how the veto system works and Turkeys place in things at the moment,and doenst need Mr C to puff up. While in no way saying the Cyprus problem has no effect on EU ,I would say the Europeans have things with a far greater priority to bother about closer to home than a small near middle eastern island.

ilovekibris


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Message Posted:
22/06/2009 16:48

mm msg 42,



I was going to say BBF but that would have put brains into tailspin.

ilovekibris


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Message Posted:
22/06/2009 16:54

girne 29 wrote: "Mr C should spend more time time trying to find an accomodation with the TRNC"



But saying that is to misinterpret the situation in Cyprus and the mindsets of the leaders. As far as Christofias and his entire community are concerned he is dealing with Turkey and the Turkish Cypriot community in Cyprus - most of whom are now confined the the northern part of the country.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
22/06/2009 16:59

Dear Girne_29



I hardly think pointing out the "obvious" ( non -compliance " with EU agreements - willingly signed ) is "sabre-rattling" .. Turkey has to get used to being a club member - be it the EU / or the Council of Europe ( ECHR)



The small island is causing the EU a lot of grief - and they'd like to find a solution - it has been a club were members don't resolve differences by invading - particularly when the UN was mandated by the two "naughty members" GR / TR ) to allow the UN to peace-keep !



Mr C's puffing up is more for the locals !

girne 29


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Message Posted:
22/06/2009 17:13

ILC

Message 41

Glad you think ,unlike most in the south that the Turk settlers should be allowed to stay and gain EU citizenship.

That is one major hurdle removed.

If thats the case the only major issue to be solved is the property one.



The only problem I have is in your contention that the carrot of being able to work in UK etc will make turkish settlers vote Yes to a settlement.



I was hoping the settlement would be such that it would make EVERYONE want to vote YES,based on its stand alone merits for the overall good of Cyprus and the people who will live there,rather than on the narrow self interest of whether one

group of people get to leave and go to Europe or not. Thats no recipe for a lasting solution,especially when disappointment creeps in when the Turks in Cyprus realise there is not the freedom of movement of labour that they expect.



An equitable settlement and a Yes is the only way.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
22/06/2009 17:50

re msg 48



Did I miss something ?



"Glad you think ,unlike most in the south that the Turk settlers should be allowed to stay and gain EU citizenship. "



You, ILK and I all know that this number will be limited - now WHAT will be the limit ?!



We also all know that the "TC" yes to Annan was because of the rights EU membership would have inferred - TCs have allowed themselves to be convinced the EU "cheated" them -post Annan.. that is not the case .. if one checks the aid given to projects in the "area of CY " outside effective control of the RoC .. !

ilovekibris


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Message Posted:
22/06/2009 18:13

girne 29,



I think some of the more recent arrivals from TR - single men, itinerants etc - will have to be repatriated but not those settled with families e.g. second generations. Clearly some gesture will have to be made.



I was dealing with the TR and TC people separately because they are two very different sets of people with polarised mentalities. The majority of TCs will I believe vote again for a settlement because they feel more European and see their future as being in partnership with the GCs in Europe. They also this is the only way to end the isolation, bring more prosperity and give all of our children a future.



The extremists and nationalists belong to yesterday and will be sidelined. Even the TR chiefs of staff believe this, I think. The Ergenakon arrests give us some faith on this score.

rocking


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Message Posted:
22/06/2009 22:12

Please all fly the TRNC and Turkish flags - I have had two enormous flag poles made and fly them with pride. You can buy them in Girne, Lefkosa in many shops hang them up or fly them.

rowlo



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Message Posted:
22/06/2009 22:17

fly them flags high, LONG LIVE KKTC ,

ilovekibris


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Message Posted:
22/06/2009 23:02

The bigger the flag, the bigger the insecurity...

rowlo



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Message Posted:
22/06/2009 23:14

msg 53 , you must be so insecure ? you threatened kimandneil , off board ????????????????????

AlsancakJack



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Message Posted:
22/06/2009 23:28

ilovekibris



'I was dealing with the TR and TC people separately because they are two very different sets of people with polarised mentalities. The majority of TCs will I believe vote again for a settlement because they feel more European and see their future as being in partnership with the GCs in Europe. They also this is the only way to end the isolation, bring more prosperity and give all of our children a future.'



You are so out of touch with the people of the TRNC, you need to re-aquaint yourself with what is happening in the TRNC. Come and visit us and I will show you the true feelings of the TC's and mainland Turks.

That is if you feel safe to do so.

AJ

girne 29


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Message Posted:
23/06/2009 02:02

ILK and mmmm



Does it really matter why they vote Yes as long as they do vote yes.



My point was that the YES vote , should be made because the settlement was considered just by both sides.

I think you are being defeatest in thinking the settlement will not be good enough for the north to vote yes on the merits of the agreement solely.



Why should the carrot of being able to work in EU (wont apply anyway) be necessary. The isolation you mention will be ended with the YES vote anyway.



Have you any info that suggests that the agreement will be bad for the north and therefore the voter will require some sugar to swallow the bitter pill.

I think also ,you over emphasise the attraction of the EU.

Watch this space, trouble is brewing in Europe.

Anyway guys think positive. I have read nothing that suggests agreement will not be forthcoming apart from the odd tantrum from the two sides.

sporty


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Message Posted:
23/06/2009 07:53

i reckon if these talks get to a position of a referendum,it'll def be a yes vote from both sides,neither side will want to be seen to pull out this time,most of the things will be ironed out before they take a vote.

ilovekibris


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Message Posted:
23/06/2009 12:38

I agree sporty.

Tiggy


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Message Posted:
23/06/2009 15:35

Well said Rowlo. Fly the TRNC flag with pride.



I see all the above have again fallen for Pikes propaganda shite.



Amazed if he has threatened anyone off board as he is a coward, the person must have been under 10. (please feel free Pikey, to register your dismay at my message aimed at you….Izett is the man to lodge it with.)



Just back from Eire myself this morning. Nice to see Pikes mates up to their racist tricks in Belfast.....if you are not a "Brit" you are not wanted! Wonder if he is/was a member of combat 18......mind you their uniform is not up to much.

CyprusChill


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Message Posted:
23/06/2009 20:21

Mine is sited at the top of the mast and looks the part.

cypwine


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Message Posted:
23/06/2009 20:57

well i suppose you do have to fly the flag to remind yourselves that your in an unrecognised state..

clayton


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Message Posted:
23/06/2009 21:09

unreconised or not so what,its you who seems to have the problem.cypwine.

dizzycows


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Message Posted:
23/06/2009 22:50

ILK and cypwine just drone on and on about nothing, they both think they know it all, but too most of us they both are a boring, silly, bitter individuals with not enough broad spectrum conversation other than to condemn all that dont agree with them regarding N.C issues.

cypwine


Joined: 09/05/2009
Posts: 177

Message Posted:
23/06/2009 22:53

dizzycows



i have just watched mediteranian nightmares have you ? if yes does it not ring any bells..

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
23/06/2009 23:12

Sorry to spoil your little bit of fun, nope did not watch as do not watch t.v, as mostly thats reported or documented is done just for spin and hype. Having been involved with documentries and news, mostly all sensationalism. So, my dear nothing fazes me, so go get a life, and please try and see others point of view, it does help you know.

cypwine


Joined: 09/05/2009
Posts: 177

Message Posted:
23/06/2009 23:23

dizzycows



if its all senationalism then please tell me if all the warnings by the british goverment are also just spin and hype ? i ahve a life thank you and a legal one at that.

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
23/06/2009 23:30

Good, well go and get on with it and stop being so 'assy', glad to hear that you are doing things all legal, we will bow down to you if we ever meet, or do we curtsey, cant remember what one does when we meet someone SO selfrighteous,

Turtle


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
23/06/2009 23:45

Msg 64 Mediterainian Nightmares ?

Try looking a bit closer to home sweatheart...............100,000 and counting.

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
23/06/2009 23:53

Yep turtle, this is something that will be exposed soon about the South, 'rock on tommy', as they say

CyprusChill


Joined: 08/05/2009
Posts: 666

Message Posted:
23/06/2009 23:55

Oh how it must gripe to have not suceeded with greek Enosis.

The pain it seems to cause in a few bellies and the guff it produces.

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
24/06/2009 11:37

Dear Cyprus Chilli



re 70



Well you just singled yourself out for "I know nought about the CY problem" prize..



Enosis with Greece is just NOT on any radar with the VAST majority of Cypriots .. they are in the EU - they don't NEED Enosis with Greece ..



They aren't "Greek" - don't "encourage them" ;)



re msg 29 Girne_29



firstly you didn't respond to my point in 49 - re how many non Cypriots - will be "allowed" to stay - or even VOTE in a referendum - bearing in mind AJ's point in msg 55 !



EU rights aren't a "sweetener" - the GCs have 'em already....

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
24/06/2009 16:41

cont re msg 71



In case of confusion - my last statement is meant to infer TCs should gain all those rights, too !