Which country? Cyprus or UK??

OneRose


Joined: 24/06/2009
Posts: 7

Message Posted:
26/06/2009 23:02

Which country would you prefer to live in and what are the reasons.. ??



I personally prefer living in UK but Cyprus is such a beautiful country without a doubt!! Especially the beaches ..and the views just take your breath away!!

phylray



Joined: 21/09/2007
Posts: 1727

Message Posted:
27/06/2009 00:53

Both are beautiful in different ways. I feel I have the best of both worlds, living and

travelling in Scotland, with its many lovely islands, and going to my other home in

an island that is not so different in some ways, but much warmer, of course.

Pipie


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
27/06/2009 01:34

Qute happy to spend equal time in TRNC and UK love the TRNC locals , Tatlisu , the weather , fab restuarants our apartment we have a private access and overlooks a fab quaint fishing Marina . Love the UK for light nights till 10pm in summer , fantastic Shropshire countryside ,fab shopping , we are so fortunate to look out onto the Wrekin so Lucky to have the best of both worlds .

Trudy


Joined: 25/05/2009
Posts: 369

Message Posted:
27/06/2009 01:42

Cyprus. With all the scamming that goes on from the MP's, the high crime levels, the yobs of today who walk around with knives thinking they are god, high taxes, lack of justice and immigration systems, lack of jobs and a government who dont give a toss, i am glad to be out of the UK. There isnt much i miss apart from family and friends. I am very proud to be Scottish but i hate what the Uk as a whole has become.

waddo


Joined: 29/11/2008
Posts: 1966

Message Posted:
27/06/2009 09:43

Cyprus! Because it is not the UK. Cyprus! Because it is where I live. Cyprus! Because I am free to choose. Cyprus! Because I am welcome here. Cyprus! Where you do not have to "Live Up" to an image and where nothing is expected of you by the local population, only that you smile and enjoy your life.



Cyprus!

Quarmby


Joined: 15/09/2008
Posts: 975

Message Posted:
27/06/2009 10:44

UK everytime.

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
27/06/2009 10:54

Dear Trudy



I think you have been out in the sun too long ;) ( Joking)



If you think Cyprus is less corrupt ( many MPs come out of govt richer) immigration laws are tougher, ( they patently aren't ) more jobs ? ( even if there were - the pay sucks), and that a govt cares about non locals more ....



Well.. I REALLY must have been on an alternative Cyprus in an alternative Universe !!



Younger working days - UK/ IRL, later years Cyprus or may be Oz or NZ in the Northern Hemisphere winter - Cyprus in the winter can be deadly dull.

Trudy


Joined: 25/05/2009
Posts: 369

Message Posted:
27/06/2009 11:18

Mmm, yes i know what your saying but Cyprus has always been like this. There was a time when UK was different. İn the last 20 years the UK has gone further and further downhill. There İS a justice system here, you commit a crime and you pay the price. A yob kills a father of 3 in the UK and what does he get? 5 years? So give him 3 and he will be out, if that. Heroin dealers get months, here they get years. Yes there are a lack of jobs here, but its a smaller place and yes the pay sucks, but cost of living is lower and minimum wage isnt bad considering that. İts half that in Turkey. The people here are friendly, not miserable and always whinging like Brits. Cyprus is a corrupt country and you half expect it here - im not saying it should happen because it shouldnt but in the UK MP's take the p*** and everyone knows it. And as for government caring about non locals more, im starting to think the UK government does too.



Onerose asked a question, i answere

Aysesdaddy



Joined: 21/03/2009
Posts: 392

Message Posted:
27/06/2009 11:27

I would love to live in Cyprus but I have an ongoing health problem and no matter what you say about the National Health, from my point of view you can't beat it. Just look forward to visiting when we can. I havn't been on this forum that long, but it is awful the negative attitude some people have about a beautiful place they chose to live in. My family would consider it a privelige to live in North Cyprus, warts and all.

Erjan


Joined: 12/04/2009
Posts: 28

Message Posted:
27/06/2009 11:33

I like your way of thinking Trudy, I am moving out to Esentepe with my 20 year old Girlfriend in April next year, she is a little nervous about moving over to Cyprus but I am sure she will be ok, I am sure u can give her some advice, she has the option to come back to the UK if she doesnt like it. We are coming over in October so I can show her around. It wont take her long to make new friends once we are out there, its all the unknown at the moment for her.

Trudy


Joined: 25/05/2009
Posts: 369

Message Posted:
27/06/2009 11:45

Cyprus is a great place. İt takes a little getting used to but im sure she will love it.



I am in the same mind as aysesdaddy - if you move to a different country, especially North Cyprus, dont moan about it! İf you think UK is better then you are free to leave. No disrespect to mmmm whatsoever as i can half see his point, i just dont understand his way of thinking. İ love it here, been here since 2003, and i certainly wont be moving back the UK anytime soon. If your girlfriend needs any advice - feel free to ask

Troodo


Joined: 12/06/2008
Posts: 1002

Message Posted:
27/06/2009 12:09

Best move I ever made.



Troodo

Erjan


Joined: 12/04/2009
Posts: 28

Message Posted:
27/06/2009 12:20

Thanks for your advice Trudy, I am sure my girlfriend will want to ask u about the positives and negatives of moving over. Do u live anywhere near Esentepe??

ilovekibris


Joined: 18/05/2009
Posts: 394

Message Posted:
27/06/2009 12:42

Trudy wrote: "With all the scamming that goes on from the MP's, the high crime levels, the yobs of today who walk around with knives thinking they are god, high taxes, lack of justice and immigration systems, lack of jobs and a government who dont give a toss..."



But enough of the TRNC. What about the UK?

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
27/06/2009 12:47

Cyprus is a great place to start out in life, as you are both young, take the opertunity thats there. You have less crime, less rush of everyday life that goes with the UK. Just take a look around the streets and villages, you see young children walking and playing like ours used to 40yrs ago, you dont have to keep them locked up in doors because of fear of molest. Kids and teanagers walk every where without the fear of knife crime.

I know where I would be living full time if I did not have commitments. So both of you, go for it, take no notice of the negative members who like to 'frighten' new members. Just look at the crime in the UK, the schools that have abusive kids, Drs who couldnt give a 'damd', roads you cant drive on with out someone having road rage. Police that swan around in big cars and let off criminals with a shrug.

Look at the gorgous weather in Cyprus too, you dont get two days the same in GB, either wet and windy or just plain 'orrible', but Cyprus sun every day.

ilovekibris


Joined: 18/05/2009
Posts: 394

Message Posted:
27/06/2009 12:49

Trudy wrote: " There İS a justice system here, you commit a crime and you pay the price. A yob kills a father of 3 in the UK and what does he get? 5 years? So give him 3 and he will be out."



Apart from when a man in the TRNC shoots an unarmed protester climbing a flagpole. He remained agriculture minister (despite being caught smuggling suitcases of mobile phones). And of course when a mob beats to death another unarmed protester. These cowardly scum were TRNC police officers - who remain protected and unpunished.



Trudy, you have a lot to learn about the realities of this part of Cyprus.

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
27/06/2009 12:53

ILK, your mentality is sooo low if you think that NC has a lot of crime, perhaps you should come and live in GB for a while! then perhaps you will be an authorative on these issues.

I suggest you go and get a flight ticket to G.B and I will put you up in a place that will put, either put some teachings into your very silly life.

Troodo


Joined: 12/06/2008
Posts: 1002

Message Posted:
27/06/2009 13:01

You really do push your luck Kiris. The crime rate in the southern state has grown over the last ten years to such an extent that it can only be put down to the lack of moral fortitude by the population as a whole.



Troodo.

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
27/06/2009 13:02

On your post 16 ILK, this sort of thing is daily in the UK! not just one isolated incident, yes its sad that one protester got killed in NC, you need to put things into perspective. What erjan wanted to know was it a good place to start up as youngsters, he didnt want one incident to be blown out of all preportion, go and suck your dummy you silly person.

Tiggy


Joined: 25/07/2007
Posts: 1994

Message Posted:
27/06/2009 13:34

TRNC is that bad he bought a house (Police station) reminds him of the days he was a "special" (traffic assistant) beating up the odd glaswegian in the cells.



Cyprus for me.

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
27/06/2009 13:45

John

Message 16

Don't take you long to get up to speed again.

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
27/06/2009 13:47

Tiggy are you saying ILK bought a police house in N.C? and that he was an assistant to traffic control? well, well well, now I understand why he is soooooooo full of his self, and full of s--t!! That has made my day, cannot stop laughing. lol

Geejay


Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 475

Message Posted:
27/06/2009 14:03

ilovekibris, How negative you are. And how can you possibly equate a gunshot wound to the knifings and killings in the UK that we read about in the media.



North Cyprus is certainly not perfect and it has it's villains (some brits as well). But crime is certainly lower here than in the UK. At least the police here are more interested in catching criminals rather than manipulating the statistics.

As far as politicians go, those here can't be worse than those in the UK who spend my tax pounds on whatever suits them regardless of any moral dimension.



Trudy and dizzycows, I think you've got the truth of living here. Most everything is better than the UK and I don't care that it's a bit backward and unsophisticated.

baxi7


Joined: 23/09/2008
Posts: 130

Message Posted:
27/06/2009 14:20

spend time in both - get the best of both worlds .

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
27/06/2009 14:20

Geejay I am so pleased that you like living in n.c, all One Rose wanted was to have feedback from sensible members and what does she get! a gabbling nobody who hasnt taken up my offer of accommodation to experience the true gb as it is now!

The country (Cyprus) is a little backward and unsophisticated, but thats what most of us like, the peace, the weather, the very thing that it has all going for it. For the youngsters expecially.

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
27/06/2009 14:23

baxi7 thats just what we do, but if I was a youngster, I wouldnt worry at all about starting afresh over in N.C, LOL

phylray



Joined: 21/09/2007
Posts: 1727

Message Posted:
28/06/2009 01:23

We are light until around 11 pm at this time of year in Scotland

That I do miss in the Southern hemisphere, but you have other

things.

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
28/06/2009 01:37

Love it or hate it how will you know until you try. Agree with most posts but you are young enough if it does not work to go on to pastures new. Good luck Im sure once you meet friends and beleive me the expats are getting younger you will be fine. Like everywhere it all takes getting used to xxxxxxxxxx

Trudy


Joined: 25/05/2009
Posts: 369

Message Posted:
28/06/2009 10:04

Sheesh i didnt half get some stick for expressing my opinion eh!



Crime rate İS lower here regardless of what anyone says. That protester was warned he was going to be shot if he touched the flag which as you all probably know is very sacred to Turks and Cypriots. He was warned several times yet carried on climbing up the pole. He didnt deserve to die but he was warned, it doesnt make it right but he asked fot it. Thats nothing compared to the crimes in UK.



I dont understand why some of you stay here if all you do is whinge? If some of you think the UK is a better place to live then feel free to go back there. I have been here for a long time now - probably longer than some of you on here so dont have a go at me for answering a simple question with my opinion and tell me that i have a lot to learn about cyprus.



ILK you clearly dont love cyprus if all you do is moan about it.

Trudy


Joined: 25/05/2009
Posts: 369

Message Posted:
28/06/2009 10:07

Erjan - No i dont stay anywhere near Esentepe im afraid. Complete opposite end!

TopTen


Joined: 15/04/2009
Posts: 1246

Message Posted:
28/06/2009 11:05

I totally agree with everthing Trudy says you can walk down town without the fear of being mugged or threatened by drunken yobs. And dont please mention the NHS how we in the uk worked to build a healthcare infrastructure by paying our taxes, that infrastructure as been depleted by people using the nhs that have never paid a penny for its survival and upkeep.Cyprus anyday



Topten

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
28/06/2009 15:20

Hi Trudy and topten, we all agree that n.c is a much better place to live and has a lot going for it, ILK still hasnt taken up my offer of coming to gb and having a taste of the real gb, ie living with knife crime,muggings, etc. Every thing that she/he says is rife in N.C.!! I dont think so, perhaps ILK is relating these incidents to just a few and as usual 'blowing' it all out of proportion!!! lol

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
28/06/2009 16:02

Dizzycows & co..I live in the UK with all these grossly over exagerated claims of knife crime and muggings and drunken yobs,none of which I see a great deal of in my town.Perhaps we are more civilised here.Yes,there are all of what you mention happening in this country,but not to the extent that you would have people believe.My wife and I go out regularly and have no problems.I have just returned from TRNC,yes the weather is great,the people are very nice,but it was like being on a huge great building site as for the rubbish and fly tipping that is another matter.I was absolutely amazed at the number of derelict unfinished properties there was,an absolute eysore. I have absolutely no experience of their judicial system but If is anything like the Turkish system,then money can get you off anything.I do not say that what we have here in the UK is perfect,but it is a damn site better than a lot of other places,TRNC,included I can think of. Cannot beat the green green grass of home...

Quarmby


Joined: 15/09/2008
Posts: 975

Message Posted:
28/06/2009 16:49

Coachie

the UK moaners were quite happy to earn their livings there and just moan about the place as a justification for being in the TRNC. they claim ther is little crime in the TRNC, so there should be with a population no bigger than a small town in the UK. Ther are probably more crimes per head of population in the TRNC and as for road accidents it would not be tolerated in the UK.

Turtle


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
28/06/2009 17:01

Coachie me owd stick, how the devil are you.



Its funny you should mention knife attacks, you know where I live and my son came home last night after being "out with the lads" with a story that there had been a bit of a todo in one of the local pubs and some young scrowts had pulled small pointy type screwdivers out as weapons ?



I didn't think it happened in our sleepy town but apparantly its does.............regularly.

chick


Joined: 02/07/2008
Posts: 323

Message Posted:
28/06/2009 17:02

Coachie & Quarmby



The voices of reason and facts.

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
28/06/2009 17:42

Hey up Turtle you old Tory..Whats this about the yokels staging an uprising..Put them down before it gets out of hand..Your having all the trouble cos of the lousy beer you sell there.We chased all the scum out of the village(I think)down to your neck of the woods. Did you have a nice hol out there.I did but it was a bit to hot for me,delicate skin you know.Was surprised to see how many unfinished projects there are.We went from one end of the TRNC to the other and it was just like one great big building site.The supply has certainly outstripped the demand as they say.Had a nice 2 weeks though,very relaxing but I could not live there..Have anice day..

Turtle


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
28/06/2009 18:16

Yeah Coachie had a great time as usual counting the days til September now.



You do make me chuckle ...."delicate skin"......you have the toughest skin on this forum mate.



so its you lot thats driven all the no marks down the hill a few miles to upset the civilized people in the area, thanks pal !

rowlo



Joined: 12/10/2008
Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
28/06/2009 18:30

im with trudy all the way , daylight till 11pm in scotland i hate it gotta be up at 5 am for work ? cant get no bloody sleep for birds singing , never mind im out on saturday for the rest of the month LMAO ,

RedSnapper


Joined: 12/08/2008
Posts: 540

Message Posted:
28/06/2009 18:33

After 3 years of ownership and experiencing the TRNC i plump for the United Kingdom every time.

Hector


Joined: 26/08/2008
Posts: 2352

Message Posted:
28/06/2009 18:40

I agree with Coachie & Quarmby. The fear of crime in the UK is blown out of all proportion. Perhaps crime is low in NC because either it's not reported or not investigated because it's fraud which it appears is legal in NC or the police won't investigate it.



I still think that the UK, despite what Gordon Brown has done his best to destroy, is the finest country in the world. Millions of immigrants desperate to get here would I think, agree.



I also love visiting NC despite it's frustrations. Long may that continue.

Woodspeckie


Joined: 25/01/2009
Posts: 2263

Message Posted:
28/06/2009 19:07

If Gordon Brown has anything to do with it we won't be able to afford to visit NC, he is proposing extra taxes on flights to pay to go greener who is he kidding, he wants us to stay in the UK to spend our money.

rowlo



Joined: 12/10/2008
Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
28/06/2009 19:09

ye woodspeckie, our dole money lmao ,

cyprusairsoft



Joined: 22/06/2009
Posts: 2066

Message Posted:
28/06/2009 19:40

cyprus everytime and unlike mmmmmmmmmmmmm who cant come and go as he pleases



i have no intent of going to the uk ever again unless my footy team makes a cup final and that very unlikley.

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
28/06/2009 21:27

Cyprusairsoft..Lets hope stay fit and healthy and dont have to call on the services of the TRNC.Most ex-pats pull the old country tobits and the first time they have a medical problem they jump on a plane to the UK to use the NHS>They would not if I had my own way.If you leave the uk to take up residency in a nother country you would be made to use their medical facilities and pay for it.I see numerous people on here on a bout !"supporting the TRNC economy" Well do just that ,use their crap airline and medical facilities and leave the UK economy alone.I dont want to pay taxes for you lot over their to come and take advantage of my health care system,have enough problems with these "euorpean immigrants" sorry poorer EU citizens coming here...Iwonder what some of you would do if you were unfortuneate enough to loose your other half,would you stay there or would you come back to the country you are always pulling to pieces????

phylray



Joined: 21/09/2007
Posts: 1727

Message Posted:
28/06/2009 21:37

Crime rates are higher in cities and densely populated areas. It is lower in small places

and especially islands, where everybody knows everyb ody. Same in the Western Isles and

even in the peninsulars here where folk still can leave their doors open without loss.



Coachie: Folk I know who needed medical attention in N.Cyprus have been getting quick and

good medical attention (for minor ailments) As one who lost her "other half" at 37 I have come

here alone, and bought alone. I worked here and I liked the island (have a thing about islands)

Good place to bring up children.

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
28/06/2009 21:45

Phylray..I have no doubt they will get excellent service when they are paying for it COD.I have just been given an appointment date to see a specialist about a kneecap renewal in August.I wonder how much that would cost in NC.Sorry to here about your loss,but some of the elder residents dont seem to think about the consequences before they move there,especially if they are living on pensions.You are obviously one of the luckier ones if you managed to get a job so I will wish you the best of luck for the future..

rowlo



Joined: 12/10/2008
Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
28/06/2009 21:46

hi coachie , at the end of the day weve all worked and paid our taxes , so if we have to come home for health care, whats the problem ? your MP, is out wining and dining as we speak , and were paying the bill ?

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
28/06/2009 21:52

Hey you bin on the wine? didnt think many knocked the uk in general. Just dont get me onto the health care, yes its fine but needs more funds, you talk about the immigrants as if they dont pay taxes well they do and pay into the N.I and work, not like a lot of our own who sit on there backsides and whinge for more. I still pay tax, and 4yrs ago wanted an operation that was badly needed but was kept waiting,untill I forked out the money myself, uk can be just as crap as any where else. Plus you can go into our hospitals for minor ailments and come out nearly dead with more serious stuff!! Like 4,000 dead each year because of MRSA.!

Having lost someone close through neglect from our medical proffesion, I think your last statement was rather short sighted.

timefore


Joined: 01/08/2008
Posts: 495

Message Posted:
28/06/2009 22:05

Cyprus everytime

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
28/06/2009 22:11

Rowlo.. the point I am making is if you take up residency in another country you should be excluded from any benefits that this country pays to its citizens.You choose to leave the UK and live elsewhere then dont ask this coun try to help you,ask the country you have chosen to live in for help. You may well have paid your taxes whilst you were living here and you were entitled to everything that those taxes paid for.Should you leave and cease paying your taxes then you cease to be entitled to anything. Tch.simples..



Dizzycows..No I have not been on the wine.Not all of the EU citizens who come here and work madam.They have the same attitude, you say a lot of uk people have,expect everything for nothing.You are not the only one who pays taxes.I think your figure is a bit ott as far as MRSA is concerned.I had it after my heart op,and was in and out of hospital for 6months but they cured me in the end. If you lossed someone through negligence I assume you duly sued the hospital for this

RedSnapper


Joined: 12/08/2008
Posts: 540

Message Posted:
28/06/2009 22:15

Alot of truth in what Coachie says,

In my case never burgled in U.K, Cyprus 3 times and i worry whilst away.

Never seen any serious violence in U.K, in Girne one of my compatriates beaten to a pulp in the car park and his friend stabbed on the harbour new years eve.

In the U.K my new house repaired under the nhbc through the builder, in Cyprus fobbed off and messed about and still needing 4000pds of repairs.

Got my deeds in the U.K, a pipe dream in Cyprus.

Office of fair trading and quite a good legal system to protect you in the U.K, Cyprus-ha ha.

Woodspeckie


Joined: 25/01/2009
Posts: 2263

Message Posted:
28/06/2009 22:35

NHS for me 1st knee replacement within 3 months of seeing a consultant 2nd one done 11 months later. I returned from a holiday in Turkey where I had been diagnosed with gall stones on 12th June 2008 saw a consultant here on 1st July gallbladder removed 15th August, I can't complain.

Agree with you Coachie about the unfinished building projects they are a blot on the landscape and spoil it for me although I do enjoy my Christmas & New Year holiday there.

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
28/06/2009 23:47

Coachie, to sue the national health service is like pulling a tooth thats not there. I started but unfortunatly having a sick husband, 3 youngish sons, an elderly father to look after and a business to hang on to, was, the over riding factor of not persuing the action. It is a choice we have to make some times in life, to get on with what we have left or have a huge chunk taken out with years of battle. I chose my family that I had left.

The figure of 4,000 re MSRA is not over the top in fact it is slighty more if you delve into the figures of deaths related to MRSA.

If I chose to retire to another county because of the weather etc, I would still expect to be able to go back to the country that had taken my taxes and N.I for the last 50yrs and receive treatment, so we beg to differ here coachie.

phylray



Joined: 21/09/2007
Posts: 1727

Message Posted:
29/06/2009 00:03

The warmer weather in Kibris will help folk with arthritis and rheumatism conditions

and save on heating. I enjoy having a lovely place to go to and have made many new

and lovely friends. I can't complain about our own N.H.S myself and it us up to us to

keep ourselves as fit as we can, which I try to do. I have been burgled twice in my own

small town back home, and I can honestly say I see more violence, drunkenness, and

general lack of respect and consideration back here then I ever saw in years abroad in

Istanbul, Cyprus, and the Arabian Gulf.

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
29/06/2009 00:20

The weather is a factor that makes people want to go somewhere when they are older, plus when you are older you have the money to spend that you didnt when bringing up a family etc.

Its a fact also that the 60+ now are like a 40+ of years ago, we like to keep fit and look years younger, which helps the N.H.S. It is the younger generation that are storing up problems in GB for our N.H.S, as most of them are now so unfit, re binge drinking and smoking as the in thing for the majority.

TopTen


Joined: 15/04/2009
Posts: 1246

Message Posted:
29/06/2009 10:15

what coachie seems to forget is that as a pensioner I and my wife are still paying taxes on pensions that as already been taxed during our working lives.

Trudy


Joined: 25/05/2009
Posts: 369

Message Posted:
29/06/2009 10:21

We are clearly not going to agree on this one are we. Some people prefer UK and some prefer NC. Some are happy to accept the problems that happen in NC because they chose to move here, they like the lovely people and weather etc.. Some just come here and whinge. Some people are oblivious to the amount of crime that goes on in the UK and thats fine. But as someone who has lived in very rough places, i can guarantee that it does happen. İ have seen a lot of things and just because they aren't all reported in the papers, doesnt mean they dont happen. Sleepy towns are not exempt from crime coachie!! Fact is, i chose to live here and i like it. İf i didnt, then im not a prisoner here and i can go back to the UK anytime i want. İ accept that its not a perfect country, but no one can tell me the UK is! Im fed up with people moving here and crying like kids all the time. "Oh the government is corrupt, the builers are crooks, you cant find any decent food here".. ge

TopTen


Joined: 15/04/2009
Posts: 1246

Message Posted:
29/06/2009 10:28

Also my wife has just pointed to an article from last mondays Daily Mail under the headline "220000 Imigrants to get Passports" and in one box I quote: Immigrants who are handed a passport are entitled to: claim child benefit, sickness benefit,and council and housing tax benefits

apply for council housing

receive unlimited NHS care

Travel freely round the world as a British Citizen

Count on help from British Embassies everywhere

Their spouses and children gain the right to stay in the uk

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
29/06/2009 12:11

I just think that we are very fortunate to be able to visit/live in N.C which does not have the same crime rate, as Trudy and I know exists in the UK.

We as tax payers are entitled to our health care and I do not begrudge any one this even if they have moved abroad, be they young or oldies.

In fact by moving abroad can help our economy because these people possibly keep fitter and healthier re the good weather! and stay out of the Dr surgery with ailments such as colds, little 'harrys' not feeling well etc.

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
29/06/2009 13:14

Dear Top Ten



The DANGER of reading nonsense articles - misleading and frighteningly close to causing racist paranoia - and then repeating it as "fact " is clearing illustrated by your post



1/ Can you supply a link to this article, please - I DID se one posted on here relating to then THEN Home Sec. back in Feb 2008...



2/ Legal Immigrants ( which these are) AREN'T handed passports - they are EARNT.. you have to prove you can afford to live in the UK, support your family, etc.,



3/ Ok, So I'm now British Citizen - I want to bring my Wife and kids - who are NOT an EU citizen to the UK... they can just come because I have a UK passport ??? )))))))))))))) You ARE kidding, right?



The REALITY is very different - He has to PAY approx £700 for each family member he wants to bring in - and their case is investigated to see if they can be supported - WITHOUT resources to public funds.. Marriage does not give on automatic rights..

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
29/06/2009 13:56

cont from 61



IF the article you are quoting is the one I'm thinking of - this relates to Legally residing UK residents without UK passports who enjoy all the rights of being a citizen, anyway - EXCEPT voting rights.



The big problem is successive govts NOT controlling illegals or asylum seekers - and when caught they are often bailed and disappear AGAIN..

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
29/06/2009 21:34

Top Ten.. I to pay tax on my pensions along with thousands of others.



Dizzycows..If a persons permanent residence is in The TRNC to me they should not be allowed free use of our NHS or heating allowance or any other benefits except their pension.. They are spending their income supporting another countries economy not he UK economy,and like I said previously whilst you paid your taxes whilst living here you were entitled to all that those taxes paid for,but once you move and do not pay taxes, your entitlement to these "extras" should cease.If you own property over there and are resident in this country and paying your dues here ,fair enough,you get the "extras" that goes with it..Once you have moved there permanently what you have paid in the past is null and void.You want your cake and eat it.

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
29/06/2009 23:49

Coachie you seem rather narrow minded regarding who should have what as in entitlements etc! If some one has paid in all their working life and then decides to live in another country in the latter part of their lives, why should they forgo any monies or these extras. I know who I would rather have the money. Dear old Gordon Brown would only give the measly heating allowance to a mother with 8 kids by different fathers who lives in a rent free house on benifits of perhaps £500 per week!! And you say folks should give up perhaps £200 per annum? Coachie, I no understand you.

Perhaps you think that if someone uses up so much money on operations re heart ops, hip/knee replacements, they should forgo any more treatment. This is some thing that was mooted by Mr Blairs lot, was it not? lol

Trudy


Joined: 25/05/2009
Posts: 369

Message Posted:
30/06/2009 10:40

Coachie, i live and work here, legally i may add, but when i go on holiday to the UK for say 2 months, i do temping jobs through agencies for the NHS as a medical secretary. I pay tax of course. Does this mean, in your eyes, that i can use the NHS facilities? Or is that still not allowed? Not that i'm going to take your answer on board as i believe i am entitled to use the NHS seeing as i am a british citizen with a british passport who hasnt been smuggled into the country illegally, i would just appreciate your opinion under those circumstances.



I dont understand why, like dizzycows says, people work all their lives in the UK, retire, move here, god forbid then need medical attention and cant go back to the UK withough getting stick for it... Medical care is good here, im not knocking it but sometimes people may just want to be closer to home, or have family around them or have a doctor who speaks perfect English. Why should they be denied that?

hattikins


Joined: 17/02/2008
Posts: 2793

Message Posted:
30/06/2009 10:44

Hi Coachie,

Glad you enjoyed your holiday, WISH YOU HAD BROUGHT ME SOME OATCAKES !

As you know we have moved over to Cyprus recently and are loving it, it's a matter of horses for courses I suppose. As for the NHS I do feel that having paid into the system for all of my working life and still paying UK tax then I am entitled to use the NHS if needed, there are many thousands of people, of all nationalities, who have paid zilch into the system yet freely, and often blatantly, use the facilities of the NHS. I sincerely hope I don't need to use it but if I do I won,t hesitate and I certainly won't feel guilty.



Hatti

TopTen


Joined: 15/04/2009
Posts: 1246

Message Posted:
30/06/2009 11:03

Coachie please read my post again I AM STILL PAYING TAXES so therefore in your own words i am paying to the system so free to take advantage of nhs or whatever

blinky



Joined: 07/12/2008
Posts: 187

Message Posted:
30/06/2009 11:20

UK every time, Queen & Country!!

waddo


Joined: 29/11/2008
Posts: 1966

Message Posted:
30/06/2009 11:43

Coachie. Kind of on your side with this one. Paid taxes all my working life and therefore was eligible for all the benifits due and when needed. Now have moved out of the UK permanently so I should no longer have any of those benifits - PROVIDED - that I no longer pay taxes. This current system of paying taxes to the UK no matter where you live is just legal theft and nothing else. I am really against it and would rather pay the same amount of tax to the government of the country that I have chosen to live in - that is only fair!



It always sticks in my mind that the taxes I have been paying are to fund the next generation and not the current one.

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
30/06/2009 11:53

We are still living in the uk, and holiday as much as we can in N.C, it is very sad to think that many elderly people are treated as if they do not have any rights as soon as they move to another country!

If you look at the statistics, the ones that paid or are paying taxes are getting a minority in G.B. We have more people having handouts from the state than Cuba, communisum or what!! The handouts to the work shy and single parent mothers. We surley should not keep penalising those that have worked or are working, many of the sixty pluses will go on working in this country as they are still able to contribute a lot. So I have no problem with folks that move away and still use their state pensions and little exras. --The system that they put there. So Coachie, is it because you cannot move to another country so you dont think any one else should? just wondering thats all lol

Amber


Joined: 26/09/2008
Posts: 561

Message Posted:
30/06/2009 12:05

UK for me !!!!

cyprusairsoft



Joined: 22/06/2009
Posts: 2066

Message Posted:
30/06/2009 12:06

coachie keep your hair on



considering i have worked all my life until retirement and paid all taxes and duties owed to the uk i am quite entitled

to nhs treatment and the like.

just for your information i pay my way in the trnc system and am very happy to do so as the medical care here is first class and i dont have to wait.

on my pensions i continue to pay uk taxes so what gives you the right to judge. i wish to live and die in the trnc

have no intentions of going to the uk EVER.

Some people just dont have the bottle to get off their ars* and do something different.

another point is we sold everything to come here so i only own a home in the trnc which now is my adopted country and i am happy to abide by its rules and regs however absurd they seem sometimes

100 percent glad we got out when we did you cant hide the facts re crime and allow you may live in a sleepy little hollow somewhere you are impacted by crime just by paying higher insurance fees you cant escape it

cyprusairsoft



Joined: 22/06/2009
Posts: 2066

Message Posted:
30/06/2009 12:11

Iwonder what some of you would do if you were unfortuneate enough to loose your other half,would you stay there or would you come back to the country you are always pulling to pieces????



no contest coachie i would stay here.



im sure you will be pleased to know that i wont be a burden on your crime ridden uk , or from the place where you live



must be the shetland isles or somewhere?

are you a retired tax inspector or member of the bnp by any chance?

cyprusairsoft



Joined: 22/06/2009
Posts: 2066

Message Posted:
30/06/2009 12:12

well said hattikins

baxi7


Joined: 23/09/2008
Posts: 130

Message Posted:
30/06/2009 12:13

onerose asked - Which country would you prefer to live in and what are the reasons.. ?? debate , conparison , is not moaning , whinging , is it ? .

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
30/06/2009 13:28

Nobody is whinging its just we have different ways of expressing ourselves. But do feel that some do not look at the 'big wide picture', as Coachie seems to live in 'la la' land sometimes, sorry if this sounds rude coachie, no harm meant lol

hattikins


Joined: 17/02/2008
Posts: 2793

Message Posted:
30/06/2009 14:19

Message 73



We are all entitled to our own opinion and choice, I find it sad that people have to turn postings into personal attacks because someones opinion is different from your own.

I chose to move here, Coachie prefers the UK, what is wrong with that, insults are not necessary surely.

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
30/06/2009 14:31

Dizzycows..read what I said again,"if you are permantly resident in another country your benefits to NHS should cease" You want the best of both worlds,you want to support another economy whilst extracting from this one,a bit like your down and out situation you are keen to shout about.Get what you can before somebody stops it. Perhaps my bigger picture is to big for you to understand,and I live in the real world not la,la, land...



Cyprusairsoft..not a retired tax inspector,bnp.commy,lenonist,marxist. How come you still paytaxes if you are no longer resident in the UK??.Like I have said before if you support the UK ec onomy by paying your taxes I have no problem with that at all.When I say taxes I include vat, and all the other taxes that we have here.It all contributes to the upkeep of the NHS. I have no need to live in the TRNC,but for some other posters benefit I could if I so wished.



Hatti..you should have put a message on here would have have brought you a couple of dozen..

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
30/06/2009 14:33

Hattikins you are right, sorry if I have offended.lol

hattikins


Joined: 17/02/2008
Posts: 2793

Message Posted:
30/06/2009 15:32

Hi Dizzy,

I didn't mean you, I just get so tired of all the nastiness on the board.

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
30/06/2009 16:45

Hattikins, but its only a few, just that they think, I say think, they are scoring points over each other. Mostly it comes over as pathetic doesnt it.

I like to read the debates, sometimes I join in if I think someone is being 'got at' unnessesarily, but thats how I am.

teatime


Joined: 20/10/2008
Posts: 852

Message Posted:
30/06/2009 17:15

Anyone who's paid in all their lives to the UK through continuously high taxes etc. should be entitled to ALL the benifits of the country, regardless of whether they have decided to retire abroad or not. I'm paying a huge proportion of my monthly income to all the vast ammount of taxes, both open and hidden ones and I certainly don't begrudge these ex-pats still getting the benefit of the NHS if they need it. Far rather they have it than the scroungers who have never contributed, only taken hand-outs, the number of which is increasing in such a rapid way that I fear for the decent domiciles future there.

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
30/06/2009 17:24

Yep, couldnt agree more, just do not know where 'Brown and his beauties' have led us, its Browns legacy of when he was chancellor that he is now reaping! his downfall will be of his own making over the past 10yrs. And Blair just used him for his own game of power.

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
30/06/2009 18:29

Dizzycows..All I can say is,if the other lot get back in and decide to privatise the NHS to save money,How many will come running back for medical care then.What will be your argument then after all you have paid all your working life into the system and now you are going to have to pay...You really are bitter about these single mothers and their 8 kids arent you.Never heard of one yet,2/3 yes,8 not yet. You get this in every country in the world not just Britain,and they get help of their governments.Good job you were not born in Sweden or Norway where taxation is twice what we pay,albeit you get better benefits when you retire. Once again you over exagerate the number of these single mothers,yes we do have them, but the way you go on you would think every young girl pushing a pram is one of these scroungers.As for the "immigration" problem that is one of the EU rules where these people have freedom of movement and residence,we have to accept that,but I do not agree with it.

teatime


Joined: 20/10/2008
Posts: 852

Message Posted:
30/06/2009 20:28

Coachie,

And just who told you that the Conservatives will privatise the NHS?

teatime


Joined: 20/10/2008
Posts: 852

Message Posted:
30/06/2009 20:50

Conservative Party Policy

Quote "Few things matter more to our country than the NHS – it’s an institution that binds the nation together.



And a Conservative Government will work tirelessly to earn the trust of the patients and staff of the NHS.



We will always provide the funding the NHS needs and are committed to real increases in health spending

We will scrap Labour’s plans to cut A&E and maternity services, which are not supported by evidence that patient access and care will be improved, so that patients have access to high-quality services at their local hospital

We will protect family doctor services by opposing Labour’s plans to impose impersonal "polyclinics" at the expense of local GP surgeries

We will make money available for 45,000 more single rooms in the NHS over five years, almost doubling their current number. This will mean every patient going into hospital for planned care can have a single room if they want one

teatime


Joined: 20/10/2008
Posts: 852

Message Posted:
30/06/2009 20:51

We will reform the way drugs are priced so that all new treatments that are clinically effective are made available, ending the situation whereby cancer drugs that are routinely available in the rest of Europe and not provided in this country

Most importantly, we will set the NHS free from the ministerial meddling that has resulted in money being diverted from patient care to wasteful bureaucracy. We want to deliver an NHS that provides the best health standards in the world, and ensure every patient is able to choose a good healthcare provider for their needs.



Endquote

Turtle


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
30/06/2009 21:28

Quite right teatime,



The NHS is a wonderful institution but most people think that the answer to its problems is throw more money at it the key is better management not bucket of cash to throw down the drain.

Woodspeckie


Joined: 25/01/2009
Posts: 2263

Message Posted:
30/06/2009 21:57

When I went for a checkup at the hospital last week there was one consultant and one nurse, there were three receptionists at three computers checking in about twelve people, the appointments are 15 minute intervals so one receptionist could do the work of the three. I have managed rotas and workers and time managed in a Local Authority Home Care Service and had to work to a budget, it needs someone to sort the management out in in NHS.

Coachie. you sound just like your leader Gordon quoting other countries we live in the UK nothing to do with what other countries do. Do you go shopping in a local town? you can't get in the shops for prams and most of them are scroungers never had a job since they left school had a child and claimed benefits, easy. I know one she is now 32 had 6 kids with 5 different fellows.

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
30/06/2009 22:31

Woodspeckie..Once again READ what I said,I know we have a lot of unmarried mothers in this country and if the law was a little more severe on the culprits who leave women with children perhaps the situation would change.It used to be whenI was younger if you got agirl pregnant you had a patern ity order stuck on you wherever you worked and you could not get away from it,even if you went on the dole..I have never seen or read of a situation of a unmarried mother with more than 3 children by different men.Yes I go shopping in my local town and it is no where near as bad as where you live.Because you see a young girl pushing a pushchair it does not mean that she is a scrounger but you choose to tar them all with the same brush..As for the NHS problems,Blame that on your tory bedfellows.They introduced the Trust system where hospitals and doctors have a limited budget and it is cheaper to employ office staff than doctors and nurses.



TeaTime. I said IF the Tories were to privatise.

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
30/06/2009 22:42

Well said teatime and woodspeckie, Coachie you say what about when we have to pay for our treatment, I had to pay for mine privately as my Dr advised me to do so as the hospitals are rife with MRSA! So it would be no problem for me as I do not use the Drs at a drop of a hat, like some.

Please feel free to come to my town where you cannot get into shops etc because of mothers with loads of kids all bawling! If you were to read proper grown up papers you would see that there are many women with many children with different partners, one that comes to mind is of the woman that kidnapped her own daughter and is now in jail, and she comes from an area that the majority have 5/6 kids for the benifits only, whole housing estates, who have never worked, just expect as its their right! This is what this government has encouraged. Blair and Brown have taken away competition in the schools, every one has to be the same, you must not exell, I could go on and on, but wont, lol

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
30/06/2009 22:46

TeaTime..Is that the Cameron Doctrine. Like the bit about the extra single rooms,payable on admission I suppose.We shall see we shall see.If what you say is true he will be the first Tory politician who wants to KEEP the NHS never mind improve it.It is not part of their thinking to give the minnows something for nothing,if you have a bit of money you should pay for it..Even your Iron Lady was nearly booted out for even suggesting PART privatisation. I remember her famous words "The NHS is safe in my hands" and immediately set about trying to bring in changes through the back door and only stop when she nearly had a uprising on her hands from her cabinet colleagues who could see their seats going out the window if they did not stop her..Sounds like you are putting yourself forward for the next election and that statement was part of your manifesto..

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
30/06/2009 23:05

Could do with some fresh blood in the 'house', Teatime I'll vote for ya

teatime


Joined: 20/10/2008
Posts: 852

Message Posted:
01/07/2009 00:12

Nope, not putting myself forward for election Coachie.

So because you don't believe a word Cameron say's he's a liar is he?

And i suppose you do believe everything Brown say's, he's been proved an incompetent liar, and unelected at that.

Don't see where it says in his (i.e. The Conservative Party Policy) anything about "payable on admission".

Come out of the sixties Coachie, the Conservatives are no longer the party for the rich, they just prefer to look after the people who work hard to pay their way.

Besides. Blair and now Brown have adapted more Tory type policies than the Conservatives ever would (Closet Tories I would call them).

Never mind, we will find out for sure next year when cameron become Prime Minister, mind he'll have a hell of a mess to clear up first. Like Maggie had to do and my word she done it well.

hal9000


Joined: 01/12/2008
Posts: 154

Message Posted:
01/07/2009 04:00

OK guys, back to the question - UK or TRNC?

Personally I'll say TRNC every time. I came here to live 4 years ago and haven't regretted a single day, despite the frustrations of local government, banks, etc. I sold my UK assets and committed myself and my wife to this beautiful island.

I spent nearly 25 years in the RAF. I didn't use the NHS (the Forces had their own medical system), the roads where I lived were maintained by the MoD, and yet I paid taxes (both national and local) for all that time. I now receive a pension on which I pay tax; not a lot, but enough to keep me solvent here. In the UK I would have to ask for government handouts to keep me alive.

If I go back to the UK for medical treatment that I can't afford out here because my pension is a pittance, does that make me a scrounger? What about the thousands of pounds that I paid into the system without ever using? Shouldn't I be entitled to get that back when I leave the UK if I'm not going to be entitled to use the NHS?

simbas



Joined: 16/07/2007
Posts: 5943

Message Posted:
01/07/2009 07:22

Hi Turtle , re msg 88 ,you got it in one , spot on ,and i can say that in all confidence having worked in the NHS for 39yrs

Regards , Simbas

batterboy58



Joined: 20/04/2008
Posts: 442

Message Posted:
01/07/2009 09:13

UK

Queuing everywhere, In the supermarket food thawing whilst waiting at the checkouts, In the Bank queuing out the door into the street, at the doctors make an appointment and be actually seen 1/2 an hour late, At the hospital just the same but worse. If I ever manage to get in my car they have me queuing here too caught up in almost gridlock sometimes.

Britain used to be a nation of shop keepers, now we are a nation of waiters, all waiting in queues everywhere we go and no one seems to care.



cont.

batterboy58



Joined: 20/04/2008
Posts: 442

Message Posted:
01/07/2009 09:13

By contrast

TRNC

In the supermarket served very quickly and usually with a friendly smile, In the bank again seen straight away and with friendly service, Went to see the doctor with no appointment, seen immediately, examined thoroughly and again very friendly cost 7ytl , Sent me to Girne Hospital for X Ray again with no appointment, straight in no waiting and X. Ray completed within 5 mins of walking through the door cost 10ytl.



So in summary

When I am in UK STRESSED

When I am in TRNC very chilled out

Trudy


Joined: 25/05/2009
Posts: 369

Message Posted:
01/07/2009 10:19

I can totally understand what dizzycows says about all the handouts that teenagers and lazy people get. I come from a town where drugs and underage pregnancy levels are one of the highest in scotland considering its size. Everyday i walk past a junkie with his or her kid on their way to the shops with their coupons for free milk or their dole cheque. Then have a house that has been provided and use the electricity and water which they dont pay for. Its a disgrace. Half of girls in my town under 21 have a kid and probably more than half of them have a drug habit. I see it everyday so dont tell me it doesnt happen! If they get it so easy of course its going to happen. A lot of countries dont give you that service! You get abuse walking to the shops, you get abuse on the bus/train and god forbid you walk through a park at night or a bad area. I know people who have beaten up for not giving one of them a cigarette. I will have no shame in using the NHS. If they can, why cant i?

Trudy


Joined: 25/05/2009
Posts: 369

Message Posted:
01/07/2009 10:22

cont...



And before anyone says it, yes i know they havent chose to move to a different country but they also dont pay any taxes do they? Which i do when i go home for 2 months a year and work for the NHS! So if someone who HAS worked all their lives and in an unfortunate circumstance has to go back to the UK for medical care, then in my eyes they can. They have probably paid enough taxes in a lifetime to be entitled to that care. If terrorists can be kept on life support machines costing the tax payer £5000 every day, then im sure its not the end of the world if a working class, honest person does the same.

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
01/07/2009 11:25

hal9000 of course you are entitled to care from us in GB, no-one in their right mind would think otherwise.

Hope you wont need to much health care for your own goodself. But enjoy your new country, enjoy what you have paid for and let the grumpy old men stew!!

Trudy you are so right, I even have a neice who has 4 kids by 4 different fathers and she is going to have another!!!!, it is simply unacceptable, plus I cannot understand the mentality of these women, my neice is a very attractive women but is a little 'backward', where it comes to morals and men!!

Oh dear didnt mean to be horrible, but it does seem that it is a certain type of women that go down this road.lol



Plus the family have tried to support this girl, but it is like pushing water up a hill.

TopTen


Joined: 15/04/2009
Posts: 1246

Message Posted:
01/07/2009 12:30

Coachie and his ilk can go on for forever about the rights and wrongs of people that live in the trnc abusing the system, but i am doing nothing wrong in using the nhs if and when i need it, I was never out of work in the uk, never tried to cheat the system like some, that do this for a carreer.Always paid tax my wife also worked in the nhs as a theatre lead practitioner and paid her taxes.So please don,t try to make people feel guilty they have paid to help make the nhs a free system so entitled to use it if and when needed.And yes England will always be my birthplace but TRNC is my home.

batterboy58



Joined: 20/04/2008
Posts: 442

Message Posted:
01/07/2009 12:47

It always makes me angry when I see politicians on TV referring to the NHS as a free service, almost like they are trying to brainwash us that this is actually so.

It is not free, never has been free. Most of us have paid our taxes and N.I. for many years to fund the unfortunate day when we might actually need it in much the same way that most countries have medical insurance schemes.

The current law is an ass which states ex-pats who leave the UK and reside elsewhere are no longer entitled to healthcare after I think its 6 months. this takes no account of the contributions that they have made to the system throughout their life.

This even more galling when as Trudy says even terrorists are treated on our health service.

Probably because of their human rights, but where are our human rights for the law abiding taxpayer.

clarets



Joined: 08/01/2009
Posts: 752

Message Posted:
01/07/2009 13:19

Batterboy....its 3 months for prescriptions I am afraid,but you are always welcome back for in-patient treatment

clarets



Joined: 08/01/2009
Posts: 752

Message Posted:
01/07/2009 13:35

Dizzy Msg 101....you are right.The problem is that lots of people in the UK have no intention of working and breed like rabbits(before anyone says it...I know we have 7 kids,but we pay for every one of them!)and expect the rest of the hard-working types to pay for all. It really is a sad state when the legal system lets the law-abiding majority down too,because of liberalist,left-wing looney nonsense,that has nothing to do with justice and plenty to do with filling lawyers pockets.

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
01/07/2009 13:56

Hellooooo clarets, not seen you on for a while, welcome back. Being a Dr you must see so much of the work shy etc, they sit in surgeries trying to say they have a bad back/leg/ etc.

With you having the 7 kids, at least you are working and I take my hat off at folks that work now in GB, as we are getting the minority!

My husband he will not retire as he is now 67 still doing a full days work and says if he stops he would die, because he would then worry about his past illnesses!!! What says I, I want to be in N.C.!!!

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
01/07/2009 19:00

dizzycows..ref.nhs care whilst living abroad permanently..see http://www.dh.gov.uk then click on, moving abroad,you may get a a bit of a surprise....



Trudy..I do not disagree that there are a lot of young women out there pushing prams who look as if they are still at school,but it does not apply to all.To listen to the remarks made by the above person on a previous thread,every young woman pushing a pram was a scrounger.She does not stop to think that thousands of women go shopping on their own with kids because their husbands/partners/lovers whatever,are at work. She seems to just blanket every one who visits a surgery as a scrounger and I have no doubt some of them are. These scroungers off the state do not get all that much in terms of cash,they still have to pay for gas electric water council tax etc and that is assuming they get free housing which does not always happen. A sign of the modern times I am Afraid.I doubt very much if any other government will change it..

Trudy


Joined: 25/05/2009
Posts: 369

Message Posted:
01/07/2009 21:54

Coachie i understand what your saying, i do. I know it does not apply to all. My best friend had a kid at 17 yet she has worked very hard since then, has a great job, is a great mother, she does not get any benefits bar the standard child tax credits. What enrages me though is that people who dont work, get dole money every week, get pregnant at 16 and offered free housing seem to get away with murder. I know we shouldnt blame them because if they are getting everything handed to them on a plate then why not accept it? Hell, if i didnt have pride i would be doing the same! İts the governments fault for allowing it. This government may not be perfect but i dont see them handing out free houses or tolerating such behaviour.



The whole topic sees to have trailed off onto this great debate regarding the NHS and what the benefits of being a lazy dropout are. Im passionate in my beliefs and tend to over-express my opinion at times! But the British government, to me, is a s

dizzycows


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Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
01/07/2009 22:16

Coachie, dont you like your own medicine when someone else dishes it out , you know we all have our own views, if I have come over harsh, well so be it, having had to deal with these people I think that perhaps I am in a better position than you to express my opinion! We just beg to differ on these issues. Perhaps I should enlighten you further, council tax, help with their electric/gas furniture, clothes, yes all these things dear coachie that you are paying for. And you have the gall to begrudge the older and ex pats N.H.S.!!!!!!!!!

Sorry coachie for expressing my self AND I am a Maggie fan!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! lol

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
01/07/2009 22:53

I really do not know where you get your in fo from dizzycows.They get no help with electric or gas they are put on pre-paid meters and if they want furniture for their free house they have to have a loan paid back weekly out the little bit that they do get.The only freebe they get is £100 towards the cost of a pushchair/pram.It is not just me who begrudges expats the nhs but the government as well.If you had bothered to read the article I put on there for you to read how many expats have done the right thing and informed the authorities of their situation,not many I bet.They are no better than the scroungers you rant about back here.They may well have paid all their lives into the nhs but its like a pay as you go system,once you stop paying or residing in this country your right to those items ceases.Surely a person with your superior knowledge should be able to see that.As for being a Maggie fan, well we all have a ross to bear of some form or another..

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
01/07/2009 23:14

Having just taken awhile too look up one or two things that have been mentioned in this deate.



Crime rate,,I am not surprised you have little crime over there with a population of around 200000.

Queuing in supermarkets was great when I was there but you do not have the volume of people like there is in the UK,same goes for doctors and hospitals.Wonder what it would be like if you had 60000000 living there???



Living under the threat of maybe loosing your home and all your savings because of the uncertain political situation.Some of you have been waiting for years for your deeds,I have had mine for years.



Water..some of you have to bring in water by tankers,if that happened here as a normal day to day thing there would be uproar.Same with your electric,every body seems to paying whatever the electric company feels like charging you. You put up with all this just because its nice weather for 9months of the year sometimes,you must be crackers.Nice place for a holiday.

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
01/07/2009 23:20

What a load of rubbish you people coming up with.You want to live in cyprus,so be it ,if not bugger off











Ps, Please remember Rule 3 --------- Simbas

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
01/07/2009 23:24

Coachie what are you on about, you sound so meeeeen, you cannot be serious about expats etc.

As for you saying that these single mums etc 'only getting £100 towards a pushchair,' £100 for a bl--dy pushchair and you dont like the expats getting fuel allowance!!!! Oh come on, they get more than you are saying, the majority know how to work the system and do very well out of it, so why would they need to work. I happen to know what these people can get, as I see WHAT they are entitled to. So I suggest you look at your local benifit centre and go and find out where all your taxes are going.

My theme tune this week just for you coachie will be, Maggie, Maggie, Maggie May!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh by the way were you a union man by any chance? just a wondering,lol

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
01/07/2009 23:27

vorgozlu quite right, will bugger off, but still think that N.C has more to offer the youngster than GB. LOL

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
01/07/2009 23:36

Dont mean to be horrible DIZZICOWS ,but I'm 45 and Iwouldnt class myself YOUNGSTER,LET ALONE YOU

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
01/07/2009 23:42

sooooooo sorrry Dizzicows,just realized from Onerose's profile that you were refering to her by YOUNGSTER.pLEASE EXEPT MY APOLOGIES

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
01/07/2009 23:49

No what I meant was the original posting wanted to know what was for or against N.C and G.B, I thought it was a good place to bring up a young family etc, and crime levels in N.C a lot lower, just that it had more going for it for children. It is like G.B 40 yrs ago.

AND HEY, I class myself ageless!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I can give a lot of the youngsters a 1 mile start and still beat them!

Us 60 year old women are more fit than most 30 year olds.

Just look at Joana Lumley, Twiggy, Rachel Walsh, Blondie, Lu Lu, many of us in our sixties, ----so you can class yourself as an oldie, but what is an oldie?? lol

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
02/07/2009

yorgozlu no probs, apologies not needed as you are right, we needed to shut up, LOL

yorgozlu



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Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
02/07/2009 00:06

Good on you my love ,I just jump the conclusion,thats all,lol

Hector


Joined: 26/08/2008
Posts: 2352

Message Posted:
02/07/2009 00:26

"It is like G.B 40 yrs ago" Eh? Which G.B were you living in?

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
02/07/2009 10:39

Hi hector, my kids and just about any one could walk the lanes, roads, play in villages without fear off preditors etc. We could hitch hike a lift, walk of a night in towns without being mugged, and us girls wore minnie skirts!!. It was just a lot safer. I just think its like this in N.C. at the moment. lol

dizzycows


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Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
02/07/2009 16:31

Coachie if you were to read The Daily Mail today in GB you will see that we have the highest crime rate per 100,000 residents. We are worse than South Africa and the U.S!!! Page 4 will enlighten yourself to the sort of thing that we were having a debate about. It is safer in N.C than G.B.

teatime


Joined: 20/10/2008
Posts: 852

Message Posted:
02/07/2009 18:23

Coachie read the Mail, think not, Daily Mirror or Morning Star surely!!!

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
02/07/2009 18:50

Tea time..Do you mean the Daily Whail,never read that rag,or the Sun,both could not tell the truth if hit them in the face. If I buy a newspaper, which is not all that often, it is usually the Mirror. Not the paper for a civil servant what..I can get the news on the telly or the internet.



Dizzycows...Not surprised about the crime rate in TRNC,with only 200000 people living there.Probably about 1 police officer per 100 head of people.More people live in my town than TRNC and the crime rate is not to bad.Your song was incomplete,maggy,maggy may..who threw it all away, when she got too big headed even for her die hard supporters and her own party...

cyprusairsoft



Joined: 22/06/2009
Posts: 2066

Message Posted:
02/07/2009 18:58

coachie still paying tax on my pensions

but good news i just got an 800 quid rebate so paying to much good old uk perhaps i will get a flight back and get the gunshot wound fixed proper in my knee



hattikins i wasnt insulting coachie by asking what his previous job was or where he came from i was guessing

if you guys filled in your profile details i would not have to ask





dizzycows i love your posts marry me

Carndi


Joined: 12/06/2009
Posts: 613

Message Posted:
02/07/2009 19:07

My wife and I have lived in the TRNC for over six years and dont think we could move back to the UK.

Pace of life suits here and as we dont work ' every day is Sunday '.

Medical attention has been mentioned. My wife needed to have a by-pass operation for which she would have had to wait eighteen months in the UK so she had it done in Turkey at a cost of £6500. we could not have had better service.

I still pay tax in the UK so feel that I am entitled to use the services of all public bodies in the UK but if I did not pay tax in the UK I would still be entitled to what ever I could get in the UK.

Starting work at the age of 14 and served 27 years in the forces. Out of work for only 2 weeks in my whole workin life and paid tax and national insurance for 51 years then having to listen to someone say or infer that I should not get anything from the UK state makes me angry.

Anything that I would claim from the state I am entitled to and no one has put up an arguement to convince me diff

Trudy


Joined: 25/05/2009
Posts: 369

Message Posted:
02/07/2009 19:10

Coachie, you say that where you live the crime isnt that bad.... where do you live if you dont mind me asking? Because crime happens everywhere and just because you are not aware of it happening doesnt mean it doesnt happen! If the papers wrote about every single crime they would be as thick as the bible! I come from a town with a population of only 25,000 and the crime rate is very high yet you dont hear about half of it on the news or in the papers. The amount of people living in one place has nothing to do with anything.

teatime


Joined: 20/10/2008
Posts: 852

Message Posted:
02/07/2009 19:24

Coachie said "Not the paper for a civil servant what"

Yet again jumping to conclusions eh! I spent the first 30 years of my working life Digging roads, not a usual Tory supporter then, am I? But I have always taken an interest in politics and I have never known such an incompetent government as we now have. Even more incompetent than the last time the Labour party was in, prior to Maggie that is.

How anyone can support scroungers, rather than people who have worked hard all their lives, supporting the economy just beggars belief.

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
02/07/2009 19:53

Tea time ..It says on your profile civil servant.Ido not support the "professional scrounger" of which we have quite a few,and these are being weedled out.If this government is so bad then why has it been elected for THREE terms..I support any one who has worked hard all there lives,I have. Paid my dues all my working life and still am paying,but because some one does not work for what ever reason and claims benefits they are not all scroungers. even then, they are paying some form of tax, namely VAT, on nearly all of their purchases so they are contributing in some form.

Cyprus air soft..glad about your rebate but dont spend it all at once because if you are permanent resident of the TRNC with no permanent UK residence then you will have to pay for your knee surgery.The NHS is a RESIDENCE based system not a tax based system,so if you dont live here permantly you had better save your £800 for your op.It does not matter if you have paid into it all your life,if you leave UK,NO NHS...

Turtle


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
02/07/2009 21:26

Coachie, if what you say is correct then surely this govenment should not tax pensions for people living abroad.........................if they are not allowed the use of the NHS stop charging them for it !

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
02/07/2009 21:30

carndi.. see http://www.dh.gov.uk and when the web browser comes up, go to"Health care abroad" click on to that site and then click "moving abroad" followed by "living abroad" You will see exactly what you are entitled to. It does not matter if you have been in the services for 27 yrs and paid your dues whilst living in the UK,once you take up permanent residency in the TRNC you are not entitled to NHS services.How or when your wife was told to wait 18 months for a by pass pass beyond me.I was diagnosed and operated on within 6 weeks and all the other 20people in the ward were the same.I had mine in 2005



Trudy..I live in Stoke=on- Trent,not every ones favourite part of Britain,and we have problems here but I would say no worse than TRNC..

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
02/07/2009 22:34

Oh cyprusairsoft, you naughty, naughty boy, how can I marry you, you are already married! Plus, my mummy always told me not to give in to flattery from young men!!!!!!!!lol



Coachie you still not answered my question re being a 'union man', its not meant as an insult, just that I was interested to try and understand you a little more. Oh and the 'mirror', how could you, not sure I ever want to read your posts again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! lol

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
02/07/2009 23:06

the uk was voted the most violent nation in europe ,officially, last night .



it,s also more violent then america and south africa,where would i live the uk or cyprus,god knows i love both countries equally .



ok 51% cyprus 49% uk.



long live the kktc

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
02/07/2009 23:12

Yep you are right musin m, and we are nearly the most bankrupt re giving out the dole and benifits to the workshy!!!! lol

cyprusairsoft



Joined: 22/06/2009
Posts: 2066

Message Posted:
03/07/2009 15:15

coachie thanks for that view and quite rightly i will be having op here as thats the place i reside.



but on my visa it says temporary visitor which means i still have the right to travel to uk if i want and be treated by nhs only permanent if i become trnc citz dont think thats going to happen.



because i no longer have a home ask all the people that rent doesnt mean i cant use the services i have paid into for all of my working life.



but coachie i am warming to you and can see some of your points of view but uk being democratic country doesnt stop people from traveling and using medical services.

do you have any objection if they paid into bupa or other private medical care would be interested in your view on that

cyprusairsoft



Joined: 22/06/2009
Posts: 2066

Message Posted:
03/07/2009 15:18

dizzy i have declared my love for you and you can always ignore your mums advice lol

and i love naughty girls lol

TopTen


Joined: 15/04/2009
Posts: 1246

Message Posted:
03/07/2009 16:28

Well said musin m and dizzycows will it dull coachies rose coloured glasses? don,t think so some people will not accept fact they will carry on trying to prove that black is in fact white.

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
03/07/2009 18:03

Cyprusairsoft..No objections to you being in whatever medical health club you like,that is your choice.You do not have to be TRNC citizen,just permanently reside there then you register with their medical authorities for treatment .If you do not have a permanent residence in the UK you could come unstuck if they check up.You may well have paid all your life, like all the other expats out there ,but once you reside there on a permanent basis it does not count for anything,because like I said it is a RESIDENCE based,or PAY AS YOU GO. YOU GO YOU NO PAY,YOU NO GET THE BENEFITS OF NHS>>> The point I am trying to get across is,if what they print is true about residence and you are coming back to the UK for treatment then you are no different to all the other" scroungers"..Claiming some thing that you should not be claiming for.It is not a personal but a comparison,so for people like Dizzycows "those who live in glass houses should not throw stones"

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
03/07/2009 18:17

Dizzycows..not a lot to understand really,yes I was trade union official and proud of it and never led any one out on strike,I am a down and out Socialist,Like you are a misguided Thatcherite, and never the twain shall meet.



Top ten..I do watch the news and was quite surprised to hear that,mind you with all thes former Communist addmissions to the EU it does not surprise me,and really you should not be making racist remarks like "black is White" you might end up with half of the UK after your blood lol.

Musim..I would have been really surprised if you had said the UK. I liked TRNC when I had a holiday there recently,and the people were extremely nice and I will come back,but as for living thjere ,no thanks. I did consider it for awhile but after weighing up all the pro"s and con"s afraid the UK is my home PRoblems and all.

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
03/07/2009 19:18

Coachie darling you quote 'those living in glass houses should not throw stones'?? How come you think Iv had any hand outs re state benifits? sorrrrrry to disapoint you, my dear but never have and pos never will now.!!! Yep Im a 'Tharcherite' and quite proud of it too. Even been likened to the lady in the past, so no probs with being 'misguided'. In fact, yea, always have been one to do my own thing, regardless of being told to conform. But as I quessed rightly that you were a staunch trade unionist, so be it ,no probs there, no wonder you dont like 'Maggie', she showed ya didnt she. But never mind kid, things are looking sooooo good under Brown aint they.lol



Hey cyprusairsoft, you got gunshot in your leg ???? How, where, and who did this to you, not Mr Blairs war I hope, Our love will conquer all, my mummy said this, and she knew every thing !!!!!! lol

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
03/07/2009 21:36

dizzycows..The statement refering to "glasshouses" was in relation to people claiming NHS benefits when they are not entitled to it,like your scroungers here in the uk. claiming something they are not entitled to.Oh.yes she showed the people of Great Britain what she was like alright.,60000put on the dole and thats only approx.importing cheap coal which is now costing more than the mines she shut down.It was not just the mines who suffered all engineering companies did.She only wanted a Service sector BANKING and investments and look where that has got us.She ruined the best industrial country in the world for her vanity..That is why her own party got rid of her..You go live in TRNC my dear and enjoy every minute of it,but when you try to get NHS help and are refused,do not say"but I have paid into all my life"because it could well fall on deaf ears,especially when MR OSBORNE is chancellor assuming he is not charged with fraud over his fiddling of his expenses..

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
03/07/2009 22:57

Coachie darling if you look at what happened after Maggie went, it was just a bunch of 'boys' trying to outsmart each other. Another reason they lost the votes is how they back stabbed her, most british people are honerable, and did not like the underhand way 'Hessy' went about things. Then when they couldnt hold it together in swept the 'party' who has basically ruined this country over a period of 10yrs. Dragged us us down with lie after lie. The banking and investments is NOW coachie, or havent you noticed, worst recession since the 30s! oh great bloody great is the Labour party for all of the peoples.

I perhaps might retire to N.C one day, but not yet as too young and busy running a business and other commitments, maybe when I'm 95, yes, thats a good age to retire, will do that.



Coachie did you not realise that those industrys were bleeding the rest of the UK with wanting more and more wages etc, striking for more, it couldnt go on, something had to happen, whether it was cont

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
03/07/2009 23:02

cont- wrong for you and many others, it was right for the country at the time. Its the same if you go to war, you cannot give in to a few, you have to be able to protect the whole. lol

phylray



Joined: 21/09/2007
Posts: 1727

Message Posted:
03/07/2009 23:10

Coachie

I am with you on most things but I did not "manage to get a job in N.C" I already

had a job and was phoned and offered one in Famagusta, which I decided to take.

I am happy with my move and think I have the best of both worlds, but nothing is

perfect. Thatcher's Britain was terrible for our region - 33% unemployed, and I had

4 kids, all with good education, unable to get jobs - it was a horrible time for me as

a young widow in the midst of a degree and I will never forget it.

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
03/07/2009 23:17

Phylray how awfull for you, but you seem to have done well for yourself and dont seem to bear any grudges by the sound of you. Hope things keep going ok for you, I am sure they will.

Just think of us back in G.B in the rain and wind whilst you are basking in the sun. LOL

TopTen


Joined: 15/04/2009
Posts: 1246

Message Posted:
04/07/2009 11:25

coachie my remarks are not meant to be racist it was meant to show the futility of arguing with someone who is never wrong.

by the way i was also a shop steward and i did go out on strike and endured all the hardship that threw up not once though did i try to cheat the state by claiming false benifits

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
04/07/2009 13:20

Top ten...It was meant as a joke lol. Sound like me,honest to the end...



You seem to forget Dizzycows that the banking and insurance and investment service sector had the highest interest rate sin this countries history(16%).How you can say that for 10years it was lie after lie,that implies it started when they were first elected.If your statement is correct why did they get elected for another TWO terms,you must think very poorly of your fellow country persons to believe that they could be fooled for ten years. It is getting to the point now that I am surprised he has not been blamed for the swine flu outbreak..Lots of Tories made a lot of money in the first two terms and then when the WORLD recession hit and they did not make anything because of greedy Tory Bankers Brown gets the blame.I have lost money but I do not blame Brown,he does not run the Financial industry,bankers do.So lets be fair,Brown is not to Blame for the current economic situation,greedy money people are.....

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
04/07/2009 16:03

Coachie coachie oh coachie, this lot lied through their back teeth from the moment they got in! iIt is why they have such a back lash now, the people have said its one lie to many!!! I could quote you so many but it would take up too much of my time, you look at Blairs war, look at how Hoon the goon has lied, look at Dr kellys death, suicide my foot. So many lies that it has all come home to roost. Poor old Brown getting the blame, your having a joke are you not coachie. Yes interest rates went up to 16% in the late 80s, we bought another business then and it made us very aware of the loose baggage that we had to shed to make it work. It worked, it was very successfull, still is. Having high interest rates, borrowing money, makes the brain work coachie, you look for any way to stay in business and if you can make things work with high borrowings you know you can make it work when things get easier. Every one in their life losses money at some point, it just makes you look at yourselfx

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
04/07/2009 18:35

Dizzycows I think in the interest of all the other board members I think we shall have to call a truce on this because neither of us will win.Have a nice day...

Turtle


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
04/07/2009 18:46

Are you still at it Coachie ?.................you must be the only person in the world still sticking by this shower of sh**e.





I admire your loyalty !

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
04/07/2009 19:03

Oky doky coachie baby, I won!!!!!! lol xx

Trudy


Joined: 25/05/2009
Posts: 369

Message Posted:
04/07/2009 22:07

Though i have been in disagreement without coachie throughout this whole discussion, i think him saying that a truce should be called and that the post should maybe be closed is a good suggestion!



People have ther own opinions, mine are the same as dizzycows, and other people may agree with coachie but this could go on forever really couldnt it! Both dizzycows and i plus coachie all seem to be passionate in our beliefs and thats fine. Opinions and opinions and i think we will have to agree to disagree in this particular subject.

cyprusairsoft



Joined: 22/06/2009
Posts: 2066

Message Posted:
04/07/2009 22:21

dizzy yes mr blairs war hope you still love me

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
04/07/2009 23:00

Cos I do, warts and all. lol



So sorry about your injury, hope all goes well with you. No one wins in a war do they, only the amo sellers LOL