President Talat says solution not possible.....

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
06/07/2009 15:27

The President of the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus Mehmet Ali Talat has expressed the view that a settling the Cyprus Problem will not be possible without arbitration or international mediation.



See the link: http://www.brtk.cc/index.php/lang/en/cat/2/news/51710

pinkchilli


Joined: 30/11/2008
Posts: 689

Message Posted:
06/07/2009 15:33

1.

Give some land to the GC's.



2.

Re-draw the Green Line and open all original crossing points.



3.

Recognition, or become another state of Turkey.



4.

Let's go.

loulou



Joined: 14/05/2008
Posts: 785

Message Posted:
06/07/2009 15:37

yea lets go ,another state of turkey no probs with that,give them tossers more land i should coco ??????

andre 514


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Message Posted:
06/07/2009 15:38

N1D message 1:



surprise, surprise

sporty


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Message Posted:
06/07/2009 15:40

Talats being very clever imho,puts the ball back in gcs court,but only if others get involved!Should be interesting!

wanderer


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Message Posted:
06/07/2009 15:48

Talat has made it hard for the south also bringing their persecution of the Orams to the fore

If RoC had wanted an honest settlement the judge would have thrown the case out on the grounds on an improper serving of the writ

ilovecyprus


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Message Posted:
06/07/2009 15:51

Talat has been asking for others to be involved all through the negotiations. This is nothing new. He knows that it is impossible for the two sides to reach an agreement on issues like 'Turkeys guarantorship', 'property', 'territory' etc. He is asking for a mediating body to apply a standard to such issues. Who will apply the standard? The UN (he doesn't trust the EU). Where will the UN refer to? The Annan plan of course. Will the GC's accept this? No. Where are we? back to square one.

andre 514


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Message Posted:
06/07/2009 16:00

yes mark, it appears that talat is seeking outside help:



only problem is the eu/usa/un have stated time and again,

it is a dispute that can only be resolved by cypriots themselves



and I am not sure we ever really left "square one" at all

ilovecyprus


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Message Posted:
06/07/2009 16:15

You are probably right Andre, they never got off square one. Of course the US/EU doesn't want either side blaming them for the failure of any talks, so the mantra has been 'a solution by and for the Cypriots'. Of course, which side promotes the mantra - the GC's of course. By keeping the big guns out they can exert more of their influence.

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
06/07/2009 16:27

I'm surprised Talat has made this statement given that the eu/usa/un have stated time and again, it is a dispute that can only be resolved by cypriots themselves.



Is it some sort of 'cop out' ?

ilovecyprus


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Message Posted:
06/07/2009 16:28

msge 10



"The problem for Turkish Cypriots is tha if the principles of the UN Charter are applied by the arbitrators then the Greek Cypriots will get all or most of what they want. "



so Talat wont go down this route then.

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
06/07/2009 17:08

It seems to me that Talat is trying to pass the buck instead of laying down his demands.

ROBnJO


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Message Posted:
06/07/2009 17:22

Part of me thinks that Talat is totally aware of the wider 'game' rules.



Turkey (& per se NC), are geo-politically of far greater importance to the US & UN than Greece (& ROC).



I think Greece & ROC are aware of this and lobbying accordingly to maintain position.



The partial reluctance of the EU regarding Turkey's entry is a temporary annoyance to the US & UN.



I'm sure there is a bigger game going on here.



Rob

ilovecyprus


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Message Posted:
06/07/2009 17:27

msge 14



interesting post ROBnJO

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
06/07/2009 17:33

I have to agree Rob. Perhaps both leaders are hoping for international mediation thereby making it look like the matter has been taken out of their hands.

yorgozlu



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Message Posted:
06/07/2009 18:14

yeap,thats exactly how it is no1Doyen,and thats exactly how its been for the last 35 years

ilovecyprus


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Message Posted:
06/07/2009 19:15

msge 16



Bill, I have never heard Christofias ask for International mediation. I must have missed this

wanderer


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Message Posted:
06/07/2009 19:26

There has been a deadline put as well by saying prior to the high court judgement as the decision there could make negotiations impossible for both sides .

That would make the South to blame for not agreeing a settlement and allowing the Orams case in the first place to come to court

Talat then looks as if he is the reasonable man to the world as the south will not play if they can't have it all

ROBnJO


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Message Posted:
06/07/2009 19:30

I don't think Christofias would get much International support, his avenue may only be via the EU.



Turkey has strong strategic allegiences, Middle East as well as West.



Turkey may well become an 'East/West' fulcrum within the 'World Order', especially with Obama at the helm.









"For the times they are a changin" (Bob Dylan)

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
06/07/2009 20:19

Hi Guys



*I* think the 2nd paragraph



"In an interview to the Greek Cypriot Simirini newspaper, President Mehmet Ali Talat said that the continuation of Turkey’s effective guarantee was ‘essential’ and could not be abandoned."



Most of us realise that Mr T is TR's chosen spokesman - despite the recent elections - where he party did not do well.



As Ismet will tell us, TR is VERY unlikely to want to let go of control in CY and it is NOT simply to do with the well-being of TCs...



We have a scenario where GCs favour EU "norms" and TCs want UN, and probably American influence... nought changed there, then -this is just part of the "game"..



I do wish BOTH leaders would stop giving interviews to newspapers until they can agree or formerly stop trying.

ROBnJO


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Message Posted:
06/07/2009 20:25

m&m's



"I do wish BOTH leaders would stop giving interviews to newspapers until they can agree or formerly stop trying."



That's the way it works Mark.





Game on!

andre 514


Joined: 31/03/2008
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Message Posted:
06/07/2009 22:08

mark message 21 and lg message 10 :



I've been accused of discounting any chance of a "deal" between the two cypruses

because I "don't want it" but this is a quite false accusation born of despair:

if cyprus ever works something out, good luck to them, we can all gain something



what I object to is building castles in the air from nothing:

in the absence of an honest explanation I must assume it is a peevish ploy to damage exchange land sales



ok so we will never agree on objectives, but let's look at "facts", like the israel/turkey/america alliance etc:

the north won't accept eu involvement because they believe for good reasons the eu favours their enemies

while nobody else in the world has the stomach any more for banging cypriot heads together

and certainly not the money to bribe the republic of "cyprus", it always favoured re-occupation anyway



what must we face up to?



an international community growing increasingly weary of obdurate posturing from you-know-where

vincehugo


Joined: 28/01/2009
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Message Posted:
06/07/2009 23:47

Hasn't it already been agreed that any proposed solution will be put to the vote in the North and South? Surely if there is "outside intervention" this just allows both sides to distance themselves from any plan and vote No.

phylray



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Message Posted:
07/07/2009 00:16

They should put the two leaders on an island with enough food and water to

last a while, and not let them off until they came to agreement. About 300 years

ago that's what they did to the warring clan chiefs in the Highlands of Scotland.

Simple, but it was very effective. Nobody got killed.

spider


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Message Posted:
07/07/2009 00:23

Put Gorden Brown with them...





Spider,X

andre 514


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Message Posted:
07/07/2009 00:38

true hugo:



the 1960 independence constitution was forced on an island

where its power-sharing could probably never have lasted anyway



this broke down in '63 and after turkish cypriots endured years of intimidation,

turkey let rip with the 1974 peace operation...

it was followed by an abortive american plan which even promised big payouts



the 2004 annan scheme was a set of proposals co-ordinated by the un

but cynics have suggested leaders of the south chose to participate

in order to secure entry to the european union, since for a short but critical period

it looked as if cyprus could join the eu as a united state, a supposed "requirement"



although the latest round of (failing) talks is nominally between cypriots only,

a driving force was international pressure with the eu and turkey hovering off-stage



if cypriots achieve "reunification" or even another vote or referendum on it, I'd be surprised

but hey: the sun shines, the sea is blue and the beer's cold