cyprus problem not the result of turkish forces stationed onthe island

catalkoykid


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Message Posted:
08/07/2009 19:49

Foreign Minister Huseyin Ozgurgun has said that the Cyprus Problem, contrary to Greek Cypriot claims, did not derive from the presence of the Turkish forces on the island but from the fact that the Greek Cypriots have been occupying the title of the Cyprus Republic for the last 46 years.



In a written statement issued today, the foreign Minister said that statements made by the leader of the Greek Cypriot Administration Dimitris Christofias during his recent visit to Armenia accusing Turkey, was absolutely unacceptable.



He said that the Cyprus Problem had emerged as a result of Greek Cypriot efforts to wipe out all Turkish existence from Cyprus and to gain the control of the whole island.



Explaining that the Cyprus Problem was not the result of Turkey’s presence, as claimed by Christofias, the TRNC foreign Minister said that true “aggressor” was the Greek Cypriot Administration which had kicked the Turks of Cyprus out of the 1960 partnership through force of arms.



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catalkoykid


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Message Posted:
08/07/2009 19:51

http://www.brtk.cc/index.php/lang/en/cat/2/news/51819

Dusterbruce


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Message Posted:
08/07/2009 19:56

The Cyprus problem ended in 1974, giving peace for the next 35 years at least.

mixie


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Message Posted:
08/07/2009 19:57

In recent weeks, I have watched with increasing interest what Foreign Minister Huseyin Ozgurgun has said over the Cyprus question and this man leaves no prisonsers at all!



He looks to be the one person who hammers home his messge.



He has a lot of spirit to say the least/

m

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
08/07/2009 20:11

Well, well CK re msg 1



you certainly have learnt how to cut and paste, today...



May be you and Huseyin Bey can re-visit CY history and note that AKEL - the party of Mr Christofias were pro-rapproachment and physically fought extremist GCs ( in the fifties and 74) who sought to force Enosis and Ethno-centric policies..



When TR "intervened" in 74 it succeeded in uniting GCs who had been fighting each other the week before...



That's why many GCs will say.. we have no problem with TCs.... but Turks...



It's all so sad..nothing can be achieved by raking up the past... I wish they all spent more time looking to the future.

catalkoykid


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Message Posted:
08/07/2009 20:12

hitting a nerve there mmmmmmmmmmmmmm

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
08/07/2009 20:16

YES... you did.. and I hope this might hit yours...not no smilies !



http://tinyurl.com/nzazws



Read the forward for this book..



Afterwards, wonder how GCs and TCs could remain "friends" whilst mob rule was the order of the day..



The saddest thing of it all.. "WE" Britain stirred 'em up..

catalkoykid


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Message Posted:
08/07/2009 20:20

oh like the gc never caused no Atrocities,they was the ones that was ethnic cleasning read about that

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
08/07/2009 20:25

It is clear you DIDN'T read the link..



OF COURSE GCs carried out many murders - mostly of their own ethnicity....



We won't refer to innocent Turks being blown up to incite TCs..

Hector


Joined: 26/08/2008
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Message Posted:
08/07/2009 20:28

Oh goody gumdrops, yet another slag the other side off posting. Yep will really cause people to change their minds and help to solve the Cyprus problem.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
08/07/2009 20:32

Dear Hector..



re msg 10



I'm sorry that you think this is the case.. I was trying to demonstrate that BOTH ethic groupings had agendas and were pretty ruthless if someone voiced a differing opinion.

catalkoykid


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Message Posted:
08/07/2009 20:32

80% greeks 18% turks looks about fair to me your book not mine.

hasan1


Joined: 25/03/2009
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Message Posted:
08/07/2009 21:36

well mess 1 that told them.

WAZ-24-7



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Message Posted:
08/07/2009 21:41

mmmmmmmm

Your ability to quote old historical truths and to correct pedantic factual mistakes is admirable.

However your blatent failure to bring ideas and proposals for settlement and solution to the Cyprus problem is very demoralising when one reads your posts.

Hector


Joined: 26/08/2008
Posts: 2352

Message Posted:
08/07/2009 21:44

mmmmmm

Not having a go at you personally, I just get fed up with these 'tit for tat' back and forth 'my side is better then your side' 'my dad is bigger than your dad' posts which achieve absolutely nothing imho.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
09/07/2009 01:39

Dear Waz/Warren



re msg 14

>>your blatent failure to bring ideas and proposals for settlement and solution to the Cyprus problem is very demoralising when one reads your posts.<<



This thread was about TR troops not being a causal factor in the CY problem - YES? So I'm pointing out some historical facts..and errors in the "FMs" speech..



I'm also CERTAIN that I have posted FAR more pragmatic suggestions than you.. but that's subjective.. my response is NEARLY as daft as your statement ! ;)

CyprusChill


Joined: 08/05/2009
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Message Posted:
09/07/2009 03:20

Silent consent for the peace that the Turkish Soldiers have brought to Cyprus.

35 Years.

Testimony to there resolve.

Ask anyone involved in British Irish, UN, EU peace keeping duties.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
09/07/2009 10:44

OK CyprusChill



"silent consent", eh?







http://www.cyprus.gov.cy/moi/PIO/PIO.nsf/0/5CFDB55E726D86C1C2256DC3007953BB/$file/Application%20no%2025781_94.pdf?OpenElement



This is just one example of how the ECHR viewed the treatment of the enclaved GCs in the Karpas(a) .. Many UN soldiers were appalled by the actions of the TR authorities / army. Much of the evidence was given by serving members of the UN peace-keeping force.



UN soldiers were often "humiliated" by the actions of the TR army when carrying out humanitarian aid - How do I know? No need to ask .. it's documented by the UN



Lastly, and most importantly, thousands of people were killed/ maimed and are still missing in a short period of time - to create your "peace"..



"silent consent"



UTTER NONSENSE

hasan1


Joined: 25/03/2009
Posts: 44

Message Posted:
09/07/2009 10:57

how did they fell about the treatment of the tc that was enclaved for years with little of no help you make me sick mmmmmmmmmmmmm you not even a cyp tc or gc you no nothink

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
09/07/2009 11:08

Dear Hasan1



You are right about only one thing.. I'm not Cypriot..



I'm WELL aware of how TCs were enclaved in Famagusta, thanks.. I'm also aware of the expression two wrongs don't make a right..



Can you be objective about the failings of folk carrying out acts in your people's "cause" ?



CyprusChill posted a statement - a generalisation that wasn't even remotely true.. it was a simple matter to illustrate that...



If facts make you sick, try to do something positive about your affliction ...

briggus


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Message Posted:
09/07/2009 11:10

Message 18

Hi 6Ms:



Surely you are commenting on the symptoms (though I do not condone ill treatment of anyone) rather than the cause - a number of right wing GCs who wanted to remove Cypriots of Turkish origins and become part of Greece. As a result the majority of "Cypriots" of Greek or Turkish origins have had to suffer the consequences of their actions and misfguided right wing beliefs. I

Before you state their were also Right wing TCs yes there were but in most cases you find one extreme will generate another. I am also sure the UK/US also will have been associated in some way.



It is time now for the GC's to accept the consequence of the actions of their own and move on and accept and live alongside the TCs (probably with some land adjustments/tweaks along with compensation) in an island with two states making up a greater Cyprus.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
09/07/2009 11:46

Dear Briggus



re 16



I / we(?) don't know if the Taksimist agenda in CY was a response or a independent ideal / goal



I repeat, I was correctly a factual error by CYChill, not standing up for the wrongful acts of extremist GCs.



I am largely in agreement with what you say.. and always have been.. The GCs have been wrongly advised by "leaders" for a long time...

negativenick


Joined: 10/11/2008
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Message Posted:
09/07/2009 11:51

i don't know amout mmmmmmmmmmm



it should be zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz



Markey - could you change the record.................

ROBnJO


Joined: 30/06/2008
Posts: 1289

Message Posted:
09/07/2009 12:17

mmmmmm is just a very confused boy!



He continually asks people to look to the future, whilst asking (telling) them to look to the past.



I't's probably just a NI thing, where some are promoting a peaceful future, while endemic sectarianism is still rife and will take generations to be eradicated.



He becomes very sarcastic if he feels you have not 'done your homework'.





Obviously only the 'homework' he considers to be required.



He is a past-master of sectarianism with a very restricted view.





But quite amusing if only for his tight mindset !



Rob

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
09/07/2009 12:33

Dear ROBnJO



( well Rob)





>>He continually asks people to look to the future, whilst asking (telling) them to look to the past. <<



IF you bother to check - I respond to someone doing that - correcting their historical errors.. I wish folk would stop using incorrect historical facts to (possibly) justify their actions in the present... !



Did you work as a journo in a scandal rag in a past life..? ... If you did study psychology - I would ask for your money back...







Restrictive viewpoint...! Thanks for making me smile, too ;) !

mamachina


Joined: 22/11/2008
Posts: 730

Message Posted:
09/07/2009 12:34

i listened to an ex UN 'peacekeeper' yesterday telling a little about what it was like in 1964 - he certainly came under 'fire' from the GC's at one point - its difficult to keep the peace when the two sides start hammering at one another with big guns!!

Now its hammering with words! How can anyone really believe there will be a settlement agreed by both sides when one side seems to be attempting to brain wash its children, ruin the other sides economy etc etc (Cruise ship banning???) Beggars belief -lets have seperate states and be polite to each other (within reason) and leave it at that! Amd hope the rest of the world recognises it Simplistic - yes - but so are the answers to most problems when they are looked at with hindsight!!!!

ROBnJO


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Posts: 1289

Message Posted:
09/07/2009 12:46

mark



There's a wide gulf between being informed and self-opinionated.



If you want to check historical 'facts', Hans is your man. He is neither Greek, GC, Turk, TC, Brit or Oirish, but does have extensive knowledge of Cyprus history.





Rob

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
09/07/2009 21:33

Dear Rob



re msg 27

>> There's a wide gulf between being informed and self-opinionated. <<



Couldn't agree more... is THAT supposed to be your reasoned response to my msg 25 in response to your 24 !?



I ask you AGAIN.. because it is such a STUPID and inaccurate remark.."He is a past-master of sectarianism with a very restricted view. "



Can you be specific as to how someone - who campaigned for a GC YES to Annan and YES to the Good Friday Agreement in NI could POSSIBLY have the above "label" ?



You have certainly "lost it"..



Hans? I don't know if you noticed but Hans is a little selective about his "history" and reality... ;)

andre 514


Joined: 31/03/2008
Posts: 1163

Message Posted:
09/07/2009 21:49

mark,



I know you campaigned for the annan 2004 compromise and I respect you for that...



to me it looked very much like "the last chance saloon" for an agreed settlement with the south

especially poignant now sarkosey and his german alley decided to keep turkey from eu membership:

their word is "inappropriate"...

just like the gc's felt I suppose when they were finally oblidged to give a frank answer on annan 2004



what still jarrs is how you talk up annan as if it can be simply reheated like yesterday's cold curry

in the and I quote your remark, "farce that is cyprus"

I think you could gently tap your brain, it's stuck in a groove, like an analogue gramophone record

littlejohn


Joined: 09/03/2009
Posts: 316

Message Posted:
10/07/2009 00:06

Many Ms - as I told you before you are wasting your time. When people get personal( offensive remarks mess24) they have lost their argument !!

dodger



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Message Posted:
10/07/2009 00:11

The past has gone now time to move on stop bloody bickering and trying to score bronie points every time you post Mark,

Paul.