Talat and the UBP party

dodger



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Message Posted:
14/07/2009 23:22

Would i be correct in thinking that Talat is seen as pro solution and the right win UBP party are anti solution.How can they possibly work together then.How long before Talat jumps ship,

Paul.

Turtle


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Message Posted:
14/07/2009 23:24

Should be very interesting around October if the referendum happens then.

Lilli



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Message Posted:
14/07/2009 23:26

spot on my turt xxxxxxx

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
14/07/2009 23:36

Turkey is backing Mr Talat..



interesting times ahead

pilgrim



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Message Posted:
14/07/2009 23:41

Hi Paul

Think Talat has been instructed to follow the party line on key issues and is probably briefed on how much scope he has on lesser issues. Understand final agreement will be subject to referendum therefore party in power will be pushing their agenda , so little mileage in agreeing issues that could be seen as unacceptable to party and electorate later.

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
14/07/2009 23:47

I agree Mark. There's a lot going on at the moment - I'm optimistic, with or without the 'guarantee'

dodger



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Message Posted:
14/07/2009 23:47

Hi Paul,

Hows tricks matey.Feel sorry for Talat as he is stuck between a rock and a hard place,

Paul.

AlsancakJack



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Message Posted:
14/07/2009 23:58

It will all become clear soon, (trust me) The UBP are starting to have a bit more influence than most realise. Fortunately/unfortunately Talat will stand down before long (before his term is up). Watch this space.

AJ

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
15/07/2009

AJ. Do you think he will stand down before the current talks are over?

Turtle


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Message Posted:
15/07/2009 00:04

AJ, I was going to ask the same question.

What with UBP and Talat having differing veiws how long can the keep up the pretence.

AlsancakJack



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Message Posted:
15/07/2009 00:07

Bill

Thats an easy one. Yes

AlsancakJack



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Message Posted:
15/07/2009 00:08

Turtle

Not much longer.

AJ

dodger



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Message Posted:
15/07/2009 00:11

So when Talat stands down which has said he will anyway how will that affect relations between the UBP and Turkey,

Paul.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
15/07/2009 00:14

TR will tell UBP what to do....

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
15/07/2009 00:16

AJ. Who will carry on with the talks if Talat steps down?

Turtle


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Message Posted:
15/07/2009 00:19

End of chat i would suspect

AlsancakJack



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Message Posted:
15/07/2009 00:19

Paul

I think you will find that the UBP have better relations with Turkey than any other party has ever had. Although it is not obvious to most it will be soon.

AJ

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
15/07/2009 00:28

It is CERTAINLY not obvious to me, AJ



I was clear that Messrs Erogan and Gul would rather UBP hadn't won..

AlsancakJack



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Message Posted:
15/07/2009 00:35

The UBP will be Turkey's 'get out of jail' card.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
15/07/2009 00:38

Ah, so they can blame failure to gain entry to the EU, because of UBP ?! ;)

AlsancakJack



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Message Posted:
15/07/2009 00:42

A simplistic answer Mark but I think you get the gist of it.

AJ

WAZ-24-7



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Message Posted:
15/07/2009 01:12

Turkey is slowly but surely becoming part of the EU on an unoficial basis. The level of trade between Turkey and EU members continues to grow year by year. Turkey had a trade commission visit the UK in April this year in order to expand its trade with the UK. Similar visits were made to Germany and France.



The preffered trading currency for turkish buisness is already the Euro. The Textiles and automotive sectors are big exporters to Euripe and this is likely to continue.

The Ford Transit is now built in Turkey. M&S have sourcing for textiles in Turkey.

It is also the case that Turkey is developing trade links with Russia and the East.

Essentially Turkey really does hold a strong hand in future negotiations over political favour.

The necesity for Turkey to become part of the EU is slowly diminishing. It is now,in my opinion, the EU that needs Turkey in order to secure Turkey's economic, political, military and geographic prize.

dodger



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Message Posted:
15/07/2009 15:09

Waz,

Good points raised there.Turkey are also wanted by the middle east for obvious reasons,

Paul.

Brinsley


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Message Posted:
15/07/2009 15:27

Send Talat back to Russia where he belongs, he loved his formative years there and I'm sure he'll find consolation in Putin.



Richard

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
15/07/2009 15:45

Dear Richard, re 24



I wasn't aware that Talat was also educated in the Soviet Union - as was Mr Christofias.. I would have thought that might be "useful"..?!



Can you give me a source for this.. interested to know what he studied.. when and where.





re 22 Warren / Waz



TR, like Portugal, wants the EU to protect it's clothing industry from protection from China.. it is loosing sales...



Sales of Tranies are down - so this effects TR..



>>The necesity for Turkey to become part of the EU is slowly diminishing. It is now,in my opinion, the EU that needs Turkey in order to secure Turkey's economic, political, military and geographic prize.<<



) and WHO are TR going to sell to if they aren't a member of this club?



There is no doubting the TR is wanted as a member by UK, and the US, but it's antics re the RoC are giving France / NL, Austria the perfect excuse to keep them out..



This is supposed to be a symbiotic - beneficial to both parties - relationship



"econ

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
15/07/2009 15:47

cont msg 25



"economic prize" ? .. Hmm, that normally would mean a nation wouldn't be a possible IMF candidate..right ?

dodger



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Message Posted:
15/07/2009 16:04

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mehmet_Ali_Talat



There you go Mark,

Paul.

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
15/07/2009 16:07

"Sales of Tranies are down ......."



I remember a few years back seeing a 'Tranie' You'd have never have guessed it was a bloke!

ROBnJO


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Message Posted:
15/07/2009 16:17

Talat may have the support of the TR, but he has lost the support of TRNC voters.



Any 'resolution' he achieves will be voted for by TRNC voters.



Any such Referendum is therefore likely to be voted against by TRNC voters.



If that is 'probably' the result of a Referendum, will we see an EU style response?, i.e. Ignore the negative vote and aim for a 2nd or 3rd Referendum, with appropriate lobbying, to 'grind' down the 'No' vote.



That could take a few more years.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
15/07/2009 16:22

Dear RoBnJo



re msg 29



Talat lost the election - according to most TCs I talked to - on the economy and day to day govt issues.. the CY issue didn't figure..



Your reasoning may not therefore ( and hopefully ! ) be accurate..



TR *WANTS* Mr T to be the negotiator .. I wonder why ? .... ;)

Brinsley


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Message Posted:
15/07/2009 16:30

Talat met Chairman Mao and turned left!



Richard

ROBnJO


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Message Posted:
15/07/2009 16:45

mark



"TR *WANTS* Mr T to be the negotiator .. I wonder why ? .... ;) "





Who else would take the job on??



Voters anywhere in the world will vote out of ill-informed principles, regardless of any logical analysis.



If they feel they are being 'sold out', they will vote NO.



Personally, whatever Christofias and Talat agreed, I think both the TRNC & ROC voters will say NO.



Logic and Voting have never been good bedfellows.



Rob ;-(

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
15/07/2009 17:00

re msg 32



>>Who else would take the job on?? <<



The "PM" of "TRNC" wanted his "FM" in on the negotiations....



>>Personally, whatever Christofias and Talat agreed, I think both the TRNC & ROC voters will say NO. <<



As long as they think what they have now is enough / or not enough.. I'd agree..



Plenty of "honesty" and "education" needed - particularly on the GC side...



TC ( real ones ) and Turks who have "TRNC" "citizenship" don't trust the EU..



>>Logic and Voting have never been good bedfellows.<<



What's the saying .. we get the leaders / govt we deserve ? !

yorgozlu



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Message Posted:
15/07/2009 17:26

ROBnJO



A BIG THANK YOU TO YOU FOR SPEAKING WITH TRNC CITIZEN MIND

yunus



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Message Posted:
15/07/2009 17:31

why should they trust the e.u ! after all the suffering and isolation, it was the greek side that was taken in to the e.u . the tc isolation continues, the public are being forced to vote yes as to gain independence. or they can apply for a gc passport ( as mmmmmm said ) and be free. and suddenly there is a much greater gc population on the island. they are pushed in to a political corner. i do not think there should be another yes vote but saying this; the younger generation badly want their freedom. as mmmmmm said, education is important. some people do learn the hard way that if you forget your past, you have no future !

ilovecyprus


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Message Posted:
15/07/2009 18:53

msge 29



Hı ROBNJO



I remember seeing in a poll last year that Talat was voted the most courageous politician in the TRNC. He must have some respect.

Brinsley


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Message Posted:
15/07/2009 18:57

Msg 36



Poll must have been conducted from the 'deaf, dumb and blind' society.



Richard

ROBnJO


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Message Posted:
15/07/2009 19:58

Msg 36



Hi ILC



I think Talat commands a lot of respect.



Sadly, respect is not always reflected in votes.



Rob

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
16/07/2009 09:42

Dear Paul



re msg 27



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mehmet_Ali_Talat



Ah, the "fun" of wiki



It seems Mr Talat was born in Kyrenia/Girne AND "Glasgow" on the same day!



Can't find any reference to the Soviet Union or Russia !

dodger



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Message Posted:
16/07/2009 09:56

Hi Mark,

No i have scanned through it and cannot find anything either,

Paul.

andre 514


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Message Posted:
16/07/2009 21:29

turtle message 2:



I hope to be back in cyprus by october, should be very interesting times indeed...



every cypriot turk I ever spoke with said that they didn't even know there were cyprus talks going on



they obviously never had the benefit of all the hand-wringing and proselytising on cyprus 44



although when I asked about handing lands and property to a motley bunch of greek cypriot claimants



their replies were a tad more abrupt

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
16/07/2009 22:54

Hi Andre_514



re msg 41



I expect if you adopt the autosuggestion technique using the aforesaid adjectives - "handing lands and property to a motley bunch of greek cypriot claimants" - you WOULD get the answer required...



Glad YOU won't be on the team wording any referendum ;)



Be assured TR will make sure those entitled to vote know HOW they should vote...

andre 514


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Message Posted:
16/07/2009 23:13

mark message 42:



I can only report what I was told by real cypriots, do you remember them?



you are quite justified in protesting about "motley bunch etc" I only said something like "the greek cypriots"



on the other hand when I typed the phrase " abrupt" their real reaction had somewhat stronger than this



tellingly no cypriot turk seemed to have the slightest inkling about any talks, peace plans or referendum,



if you have any actual date for the latter, please do let me know so I can then educate them accordingly



or are we falling back again on "keep faith"?

WAZ-24-7



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Message Posted:
16/07/2009 23:25

mmmmmm

Msg 25 thank you for your comments.



I think the turkish textile trade is well placed to continue with its dominance of the European market.

Turkey has benefited from a European customs treaty since 1995 and in all but name is part of the EU trading structure.

Indeed ,Tranny sales are down. The vehicle is also built in Southampton UK which has been severely hit. ITs not a Turkish thing.The Turkish Automotive manufacturing base continues to become stronger with component and OEM production at an all time high. Yes the industry is in recession. Turkey remains a strong supplier to both EAST and WESTERN markets.



Turkey has the enviable position of being able to sell EAST and WEST. Of corse it would like to trade in both directions but lets face it the developing markets are in the East. That's the answer to your question.



The EU ditherers over the Cyprus issue will soon be driven to forgo their grievences or loose the Turkish prize.

It's a stark choice and decision.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
17/07/2009 12:12

Dear Waz, re 44



IF it is well placed, why is it whining about unfair Chinese tactics?



If you think importing into TR is EASY - it may well be for Ford- you can't have tried it...



Turkey WON'T be in a unique position - unless it is IN the EU..



It is TR who are dithering.. and it is not just over the Chapters concerning CY..



>>It's a stark choice and decision<<



Couldn't agree more.. mainly TURKEY'S

WAZ-24-7



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Message Posted:
17/07/2009 23:31

mmmmm

Turkey is well placed...I reiterate. The whinning you refer to will hardly change the position.

I can asure you, from experience, that trading with Turkey is no more dificult than most other European countries. The buisness currency is the Euro and the 1995 European Customs agreement works well. This is why the European commercial world has grasped the opportunity and continues to seek mutual growth and stronger commercial links.



Turkey would indeed sign up the the EU....at the moment. However,the Changing world of commerce and power which is rapidly moving eastwards offers Turkey considerably more options than just the EU.



Mark, I think you drasticly underestimate the economic, political and military strength that Turkey enjoys.

Its political position, in my opinion, has become and continues to strengthen as World political influences change and the East in general becomes more prominent upon the world stage.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
18/07/2009 13:50

Dear Warren/ Waz



>>I can asure you, from experience, that trading with Turkey is no more dificult than most other European countries<<



Strange, as someone who goes in and out of TR with expensive kit- I can tell a VERY different story...



Check out forums where UK ex-pats move to TR or try to bring in a big TV..



I underestimate nothing about TR's potential... including their ability to shoot themselves in the foot and miss opportunities.



now the thread is Talat and UBP.. perhaps you can tell us whether you believe TR is pulling the strings and telling UBP to "butt out" of the talks..

WAZ-24-7



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Message Posted:
18/07/2009 23:45

mmmmm

Your experiences seem to refer to personal importation. The B2B type of trade is something very different.

My company have traded in and with Turkey since 2001 and the system is very easy and acomodating.

The Turkey position is indeed one of stength and recent developments (gas pipeline deal) illustrate this country's ability to grasp opportunities.



It is understandibly the case that Turkey has a strong influence upon the TRNC politics and provides advice and support to Mr Talat. I would imagine that the Turkish administartion will have a view upon the UBP. Whether it feels they are interferring with the talks... possible but I see no real reason how the UBP have more than a passing influence.

spider


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Message Posted:
19/07/2009 00:11

ME Thinks our friend Rita..Rocking should get her Butt on this Thread.!!





Spider,X

Brinsley


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Message Posted:
19/07/2009 00:28

WAZ-24-7



Who do you really think runs TRNC? The Generals! The present ones suffer from xenophobia and as a consequence the property market concerning foreign ownership is exasperated by their prejudices and bigotry. Talat is an ineffective puppet of no consequence.



Richard

WAZ-24-7



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Message Posted:
19/07/2009 01:24

Brinsley msg 50.

Who really runs any democratic administration? Of course ,Turkey has an influence upon the TRNC administration.Look at the troops it has in TRNC. However TRNC is a democracy and as such the people do indeed have a significant say.

I agree that the xenophobic attitude of the TRNC administration does it no favours in attracting foriegn investment. Should embargoes be lifted then the situation would soon change as the potential is massive.

Talat has many disadvantages when he attempts to participate in the international arena. He oversees a non recognised republic suffering from many injustices. His only real supporter is Turkey and as such he relies heavily upon their support. I do not believe that he holds no power and is a puppet of the Turkish administartion. His hands are very much tied and full marks to him for his efforts.

What would you do given the hand that talat has when at the table.

yorgozlu



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Message Posted:
19/07/2009 12:36

re msg 51



Tell them to shov their plans up where the sun dont shine and walk away and live happyly ever after



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