Kar and Stray Dogs.!!!!!!!!!!!

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
15/07/2009 12:27

We have a stray dog,that has turned up,young patchy Pointer type..could be Brother of Lillis Birtie.!!!!! Has been tagged by Kar..Very Friendly.....NEEDS A HOME PLEASE...We are unable to keep this nice little poor lost we soul..



Advice needed as to WHAT TO DO WITH HIM NOW.!!!!!! Why oh WHY,WHY,WHY,--Do Kar do such a thing.put them back on the street.to starve.and perhaps pick up something on the streets that may KILL HIM.????? AND THIS TREATMENT IS A KIND WAY TO TREAT A PUP..

We are unable to keep this poor dog.we have two.also a very old cat and a young kitten..I think i have done my bit.!!!

sorry i must say if you can not post something of use and help.please do not bother to post at all.And come on KAR..please explain..and advice would be helpful TOOOOOO..yes i am most anoyed.!!



Spider,X If anyone can home and love this poor dog please phone me..0533 839 5561.

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
15/07/2009 12:55

Come on the KAR...at least put a donation up its backside so it can bye its own Pasta..!!!!



Spider,X

smithy


Joined: 17/07/2008
Posts: 5301

Message Posted:
15/07/2009 12:59

Spider

Its your kind face and heart that draws them to you, dont rely on KAR

I hope that some kind person on this forum will answer your plea

Sheila xx

biglugs


Joined: 02/10/2008
Posts: 157

Message Posted:
15/07/2009 13:06

I took a pup from KAR on a wednesday afternoon and by thursday she was really ill,straight to the vets and thankfully after 30 injections she is alive and well but no thanks to KAR!!!!!!!!!!!!the pup had distemper and my quick action and that of the vet she would be dead.I contacted KAR about the vets bill and was swiftly told it was my dog ,my bill,never again

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
15/07/2009 13:15

Sheila...i am not relying on Kar...i may have a kind face thanks....but i would like KAR to state why they do this sort of thing.and how come thy think its kind.???





Spider,X

spider


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Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
15/07/2009 13:46

Has anyone got the phone No For KAR.Please.??





Thanks Spider.x

booitsme


Joined: 04/02/2009
Posts: 667

Message Posted:
15/07/2009 13:53

We have a friend who worked for KAR for 9 months and was disgusted at the goings on there - too horrific to go into detail here. He suggested if you want to help them out donate tins of dog or cat food DO NOT give them money. Surely out of all the money they have had left to them in wills etc they could afford to extend or at least improve what they have. We really want a small puppy bitch - preferable JRT size or similar (we lost our beautiful girl last week and our elderly, ill boy dog is pining as he's used to the company after 10 years together but couldn't cope with a big dog) but can't bring ourselves to go to KAR after all we've heard about conditions there. Can anyone help us out on this?????

spider


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Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
15/07/2009 14:01

Hi booitsme...you really ought to come and see this little chap...he is a brown and white pointer no older than 6 months and has been neutered....real friendly little fella....please give me a call 0533 839 5561

He really would give your other dog so much joy and fun....











spider xx

booitsme


Joined: 04/02/2009
Posts: 667

Message Posted:
15/07/2009 14:42

Spider, I would love to but unfortunately he just doesn't get on well with other male dogs and as he is quite ill we don't want to cause him any extra stress. I wish this wasn't the case as he sounds adorable but I will mention him to neighbours and friends to see if we can find him the loving home he deserves. It absolutely breaks my heart to think of all those poor dogs needing love and care. Good luck in finding him a home

itfc1978


Joined: 31/03/2009
Posts: 187

Message Posted:
15/07/2009 14:56

I normally do not involve myself with the rubbish on here,but these comments about KAR are wrong.



I have done voluntary work for KAR and you could not meet a more committed bunch of people.

To suggest that money is mispent is absurd and damaging to the very animals you pretend to want to help.



For gods sake get up to the centre and see for yourself, there are over 220 dogs that require a home.



I will not defend the neutring and release policy.

I like everybody on here do not know enough about the pros and cons but I do know it is a worldwide accepted standard practice.



KAR is RSPCA accredited subject to inspection.



It`s about time they were given help and not subject to ill informed moans and groans



There are 220 dogs who want a chance,will you give them that or just gossip on here?

spider


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Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
15/07/2009 15:19

Thanks for that info....But what help is THAT...to this poor little mite..notice you have no email add.therefore i am unable to contact you with regards to KAR..and see you have left no No...(thanks again.) so come then itfc1978..are you going to help out with this one.?? Perhaps give some helpful advice on whats to be come of it..and what i am to do...so come on KAR..What is the answer when you put then back onto the streets...what the hell do you think is going to happen to them...and when this sort of thing happens..No one seems to have the ANSWER.....Please re-read my 1st and 2nd postings..thanks





Spider,X

itfc1978


Joined: 31/03/2009
Posts: 187

Message Posted:
15/07/2009 15:30

What sort of condition is the dog in?

Is it looking after itself?

Many do very successfully



If you leave it alone it will look for food and water elsewhere many become self dependent.

If you water and feed it it will become dependent on you.

You have to be pragmatic about this.



KAR would love to keep all the dogs but that is simply impossible.



Incidently my comments were aimed at booitsme

catalkoykid


Joined: 15/02/2009
Posts: 1190

Message Posted:
15/07/2009 15:31

they wont put a end to it spider, it would be the end of a gravy train,no strays, no donation,= no earner

spider


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Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
15/07/2009 16:07

the dog is a puppy and is extremely skinny and also has a cough! It's difficult to be pragmatic when it's hanging about with my 2 dogs! My husband took it away last night, to enable it to defend for itself (as per KAR policy) and it promptly came back! What do you suggest now?????





Spider x

daisy dukes


Joined: 06/09/2008
Posts: 3815

Message Posted:
15/07/2009 16:22

Oh dear spider, you are in a muddle! Unfortunately this 'accepted policy' of KAR is the main reason why there is so much poison around....what are the dogs supposed to do for food, ask the farmer for a sheep, or a chicken? The thing that gets me, is they (KAR) say they return dogs to the area they were found....well this is rubbish, i know for a fact quite often tagged dogs just 'appear' in Karsiyaka...i know because they most often come to my house to hang out with my own 2, fortunately i have railings so unless they are very small, they can't get in and make themselves comfortable. I really don't see why a major cull of all old and sick animals can't be done...i understand that if they were to do this, the money would perhaps stop coming in....but at least the dogs that were rehomable would stand a fighting chance of a decent sort of life!!! I



Spider my heart goes out to you and this dog, maybe KAR could come and find it a different place to live...



DD

IngridL


Joined: 20/03/2009
Posts: 368

Message Posted:
15/07/2009 16:34

Booitsme,

My friend has got a puppy called Milou. She is probably a dachshund cross and about 5 months old. Adorable!

Watch the clip on this thread: http://www.cyprus44.com/forums/15560.asp

Ingrid

snd1966


Joined: 10/06/2009
Posts: 353

Message Posted:
15/07/2009 16:44

Why is it KAR always blamed when dogs and cats are left on the streets to fend for themselves, surely the country and its occupants should take some of this responsibility on. KAR are a charity which is tied to the rules and regulations which are made by the country we have chosen to live in. Maybe we should study this to see whether they are allowed to put down healthy animals before stating what we think they should do. I wish the government or whoever can make this decision introduce a cull of stray animals, or even a place where they can be dropped off to be humanly put to sleep. I thought there was a government vet who will do this. The next best thing is to stop the street animals breeding and i will give KAR 100% support on this policy. I also learnt the other day from a policeman, only police and army can shoot dogs therefore the shepherds can not shoot animals worrying their sheep which is fully accepted in the uk so no wonder poisoning is carried out.

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
15/07/2009 16:46

I have tried to remain silent when KAR is mentioned as most posters know how I feel...THEY ARE A BLOODY DISGRACE!!..it's all about money to them ..bugger the animals they come second or even lower down the pecking order.



itfc what do you mean is it looking after itself ..yes of course it is, it pops each day into Lemar and buys a couple of tins of dog food...what a bloody stupid remark you made.

itfc1978


Joined: 31/03/2009
Posts: 187

Message Posted:
15/07/2009 16:49

KAR will take a tag dog back that is unable to look after itself



You need to call the office explain it is a tagged dog in distress and they will arrange to collect



0533 8694098

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
15/07/2009 16:53

itfc they will not take a dog back under any circumstances...unless offered money...and it is not standard worldwide practise to neuter and abandon dogs, cats maybe because they at least can fend for themselves to a degree...how can you defend the indefensible.

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
15/07/2009 16:53

Hiya Spider I hope someone will take this poor creature in. I am looking to home the 2 kittens also xxxx

itfc1978


Joined: 31/03/2009
Posts: 187

Message Posted:
15/07/2009 17:02

They will take back a distressed tagged dog

japeal



Joined: 12/09/2008
Posts: 1052

Message Posted:
15/07/2009 17:06

Booitsme



click on link below bitch puppy is 8weeks old on sunday last in litter of 7 to be homed. If we do not find a home in 2-3 weeks then KAR will have to take it, understand however they are putting puppies down hope not a usual thing they do as the poor mites at least deserve a chance oif life







http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gx6yJji

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
15/07/2009 17:11

iIngrid i do hope maybe Booitme might just help out with this one..god willing.!! Daisy i have to agree with what you say re getting their own food..no wonder so many dogs die a terrible terrible painful death.we had one that came with us from England that died in such a terrible way....KAR and this policy...its so appalling.All us Brits do our best to support KAR..and i for sure have done mine.we have 2 dogs that would be starving.and heading for a terrible death if we had no taken them in.!! so i have done my bit....KAR..may be over run.....but a humane way of helping these dogs is not to put them back on the streets in the first instance...



SO KAR DO YOU WANT THIS POOR FELLOW BACK...and perhaps one of your helpers can find him a loving home.??



No response as yet from KAR..Spider,X

itfc1978


Joined: 31/03/2009
Posts: 187

Message Posted:
15/07/2009 17:13

Check message 19



They will require the Tag number and where the dog is

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
15/07/2009 17:16

oh Japeal I hoped and prayed the last one would soon find a loving home. You have worked so hard on this. Please be to God he gets the life he deserves xxxxxx

airy____fairy


Joined: 14/06/2008
Posts: 813

Message Posted:
15/07/2009 17:19

oh dear oh dear . This topic keeps coming up ! I must say I used to think that the tag and return policy was terrible for dogs ..... but what is the alternative????

I used to work in Gırne at the bottom end of the high street where there are about 5 or 6 resident 'street' dogs - with tags in. Previously any stray dog was chased off- kicked-not fed and genrally abused by alot of the local people in that area ........ however these new 'street' dogs are seen as community dogs and suddenly cypriot shop owners started feeding these 'street' dogs ......... so what is the betters scenario???????

I think at least tagged dogs people know belong to no-one as such and often feed them.

I was back in the area last week and saw 2 of these dogs and they looked very happy and healthy.

booitsme


Joined: 04/02/2009
Posts: 667

Message Posted:
15/07/2009 18:11

itfc1978 - I can only go by what I have been told by my friend who is very trustworthy and a real animal lover. I have also been given the same information from other sources. I don't doubt that that the people who help KAR are committed and animal lovers - you would have to be to do what they do every day, unfortunately it seems that the founder members may not be quite so committed. I apologise if we have a difference of opinion but I still could not bring myself to visit KAR as I already have awful memories of taking an ex neighbour to Battersea. I left feeling totally helpless. I still stand by what I said

Geejay


Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 475

Message Posted:
15/07/2009 19:23

I'm absolutely disgusted at the insulting and ignorant comments made here about KAR. With the limited funds at their disposal they keep alive hundreds of animals that otherwise would starve or suffer illness.



Some of you are obviously unaware that veterinaries here refuse to destroy animals and this cannot be done by untrained volunteers. They have no option but to return dogs to the communities where they are found.



Instead of denigrating the efforts of KAR volunteers you should be helping them alleviate the animal suffering which they dedicate their time to doing. If you think a cull would solve the problem then go see your Belediyesi but don't blame KAR for the sins of others who abandon their animals.

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
15/07/2009 19:29

Geejay...KAR do put dogs down...and noone is denigrating the volunteers .. the buck stops at the top!!! and please do not insult some of us by telling us they have limited resources..they do very nicely..that is why they dont put enough dogs down..this is a tiny island and the dog problem could be solved but that would end the contributions now wouldnt it and we cant have that now can we ....... gravy train..choo choo..keep on rolling while dogs keep on suffering..end of.

booitsme


Joined: 04/02/2009
Posts: 667

Message Posted:
15/07/2009 19:32

japeal - Oh how beautiful. Any idea how big the parents are? As I said we could really only take on a small dog as anything big and boisterous would be too much for our little old man! What area are you in?

booitsme


Joined: 04/02/2009
Posts: 667

Message Posted:
15/07/2009 19:35

IngridL - my computer is playing up and it's taking forever to try to watch the video. I'll try again later I promise. Is Milou one of the black pups? Any idea how big she is? Oh I wish I could give them all a home but don't think the neighbours would appreciate it! They're already whining about the fact that we are going to get another one and they call themselves dog lovers! It's not even as if they bark much either - gggrrrr

japeal



Joined: 12/09/2008
Posts: 1052

Message Posted:
15/07/2009 20:11

booitsme - the mother is about six inches bigger than my two staffies, sheis a lovely dog only about 18 months old, if you care to email me, i can send you photos of the pup now a little bigger than the photo you have seen and her mother to show her size. To be honest if a small dog has a puppy as a companion, end of day size does not matter as your current dog will parent the puppy.

IngridL


Joined: 20/03/2009
Posts: 368

Message Posted:
15/07/2009 21:52

spider,

Thank you. Good luck with yours.



booitsme,

She is rather small. I can take a photo of her and e-mail it to you.

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
15/07/2009 22:13

Well i guess i will be on the phone to Kar first thing in the morning,and we will all see if they do come and collect this poor little we dog...My hat is off to all who help and support KAR.we also have done our share...but i anm very sorry to say that this little chap is unable to stay with us even for just another day...Sad very Sad...



Spider,X

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
16/07/2009 08:27

Spider please keep us informed ...and I hope KAR turns up. x

keithcaley



Joined: 13/06/2008
Posts: 2521

Message Posted:
16/07/2009 09:49

Come on Folks!

Just to encourage you - here's a picture...

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2620/3726039994_966c15234d_o.jpg

Could be Berty Pointer's brother!

Keith.

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
16/07/2009 09:51

Oh Keith he could be. thats just so sad. He looks very sad and I wish I could take him. Please god he gets looked after. Please people open your hearts. xxxx

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
16/07/2009 10:22

any luck spider xxxx

fiendishpaul


Joined: 18/05/2008
Posts: 1720

Message Posted:
16/07/2009 11:21

I find it really sad that people are happy to sit in front of their computers all day and complain about just about everything. KAR being the latest on the list. I do voluntary work at KAR and whilst I do not necessarily agree with all their practices, what I do see is a bunch of people committed to doing their best under very difficult circumstances. I regularly do the vets run and can confirm that a vet will not euthanise a healthy animal, the only time that animals are put to sleep is if they are suffering. Whilst releasing tagged dogs back onto the streets is not ideal, what other choice is there when the KAR kennels are at bursting point, dogs cannot be euthanised and the government refuses to provide any assistance ? - There are currently more than 220 dogs being looked after at the KAR kennels and there is only a finite amount of space !!! So come on people, rather than criticise those who are trying to solve the problem, continued....

fiendishpaul


Joined: 18/05/2008
Posts: 1720

Message Posted:
16/07/2009 11:27

continued...



how about having a go at the government or the local dog owners who refuse to have their dogs neutered and therefore perpetuate the problem. Better still, why not take a couple of hours off from sitting in front of the computer and head off up to KAR and lend a hand.....you never know, you might just enjoy it and the dogs certainly will.



Spider, if you give details of the location of the dog and its tag number, KAR are duty bound to come and pick it up and get it veterinary treatment.



Kind regards



Paul

the2ofus


Joined: 13/02/2008
Posts: 637

Message Posted:
16/07/2009 12:03

Spider - did you ring them ?

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
16/07/2009 13:56

Oh well i guess the photo posting has not worked...thaks so much Keith..looks like a phone call is to be make this afternoon..I wonder what place he will be sent to next...because it cant be back in this location...and like i have said my Hats off to all who work at KAR...i too have very high vets bills with the strays i have taken in..and i have to agree they cannot just walk into a shop to get fed...if that were a fact maybe they can give this little mite to some kind shopkeeper.!!!!!!!!



Spider,X

keithcaley



Joined: 13/06/2008
Posts: 2521

Message Posted:
16/07/2009 14:00

One last go!: -

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2620/3726039994_966c15234d_o.jpg

raf0911


Joined: 16/04/2009
Posts: 13

Message Posted:
16/07/2009 14:03

Am just trying to convince my husband that we need a dog!

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
16/07/2009 14:07

He is soooooo very loving and happy...cant think what might happen if he is back on the streets....





Spider,X come and see him..??

raf0911


Joined: 16/04/2009
Posts: 13

Message Posted:
16/07/2009 14:40

Have not got a no but have not got a yes either!!!



Still working on it!

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
16/07/2009 15:07

Up date on the Stray,and phone call to Kar...They have very kindly told us to SHOOOOOOOOO him away..in a kind way..spray him with water..do not feed him..be very polite and kind to him.they do not pick the dogs up..and were of little help...So come on all you KAR works come and train Mr and Mrs Spider on how to SHOOOOO a dog away..



GREAT HELP KAR I would like Negative Nick to award you with being the of the MOST HELP award foe this week.!!!!



Spider,X

daisy dukes


Joined: 06/09/2008
Posts: 3815

Message Posted:
16/07/2009 15:24

This is awful!! I thought someone said they would come and get him if he isn't able to fend for himself???? This is disgusting...he is a baby and he is poorly and he should either be taken back or put down!! No animal should have to suffer, in this heat as well!!!



DD

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
16/07/2009 15:27

Yep not interested in his health...starve to death..they forgot to send him off with a little donation up his backside either...how nice of them!!!!



Spider,X

taraspring


Joined: 25/01/2009
Posts: 571

Message Posted:
16/07/2009 15:35

It is an absolute disgrace!!! Phone them again Spider. Tell them you have put your comments on this forum and people are taking note that they are not interested. That will get them moving off their arses!!!!



I know that they are stretched but a blanket refusal (as in your case), does nothing to assist their standing, and may even affect donations to the cause. People like to see that KAR are doing everything they can to assist in cases like this. Why are they not now????



I just hope you find a home for this poor little baby. x

Tx

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
16/07/2009 15:38

Anyone going to Farmagusta or Nicasia plenty of shops perhaps he can fend for himself there.????



Spider.X

taraspring


Joined: 25/01/2009
Posts: 571

Message Posted:
16/07/2009 15:40

PS. Who runs KAR? Are any of them members on here? If so, perhaps they can explain WHY they refused to take action in this case!! How many other deserving cases do they refuse to take action?



Surely they have a duty to come out and at least assess the situation? Rather than ignoring it.



It is beyond belief it really really is.



Do something proactive KAR.

goonerstan



Joined: 14/04/2008
Posts: 397

Message Posted:
16/07/2009 15:56

strange with all thats going on , k.a.r canot be bothered to make a reply, maybe there above criticism, its time the old school retired

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
16/07/2009 16:05

Hay Ho...A lesson here for all of us..dog lovers or not...If as we have done in the past.kept a few dogs..and if like now you find yourself with a poor helpless stray..Yes do take it to KAR they will let it back onto the street,even though it is no a street dog...it will have no choice.!!!!! Dont ever say the place you found it...or the area you live...if from Lapta...say it was found in Nicosia...if you live in Kayarla just say you found it and live in GUZELYURT..

As it seems we should all WISE up to the antics of KAR...this was not a street dog...but it sure has no other choice now.!! someone from around the corner from us.must have found it,took it to KAR.tald them the place found and here we go round and round....so lets all make a note of this LESSON...and the anitcs and attitude of KAR.....



Spider,X

the2ofus


Joined: 13/02/2008
Posts: 637

Message Posted:
16/07/2009 16:11

Spider - How long has he been hanging around and did the dog originally come from your area ? If that is where KAR collected him from then, as far as i know, that is the area he would be released into once he has had the snip and been tagged. That is their normal policy and they do not divert from that unless there are particular reasons to do so. Are there particular reasons why he cannot stay in your area as a street dog? Often dogs that are re located to a new area will make their way back to their original home area - there are all sorts of issues around the scheme (see DogTrust web site who also advocate the same scheme).

I know that they do re-collect tagg dogs if there are particular problems, with the dog i think (eg injury etc) and will get them treated and keep them at the centre until their treatment is finished. But again they then have to release them (they do not have the room to keep all of the strays). Is he injured ? The photo of him looks as if he is in ok condition

smithy


Joined: 17/07/2008
Posts: 5301

Message Posted:
16/07/2009 16:12

WELL SAID SPIDER

daisy dukes


Joined: 06/09/2008
Posts: 3815

Message Posted:
16/07/2009 16:12

I think maybe you should take it to KAR and leave it there, even if it has no kennel at least it 'should' get something to eat....



DD

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
16/07/2009 16:27

OK..I have said before,and hov told KAR...we have 2 rescue dog.a kitten and a very old cat...the dog is unable to stay here....that is for sure..a puppy is not a street dog till it has no choice in the matter...and KAR are making them street dogs...get the picture...simple...



Our old dog is trying to fight with the puppy..our 15yr old cat is stressed out by the puppy.the kitten is S*** scared,and our other rescue dog is happy to play with the puppy...But we are not KEEPING..the so called street puppy...someone was stupid enough to tell KAR,the area it was picked up from...and Hay Ho..they do not have this problem..although they let there dogs roam the streets all night long...Lesson for all 44 member like i said..also the dog has a cough...poor thing.!! It just needs a little love and kindness..and the most loving thing would have been to put it to sleep...Oh yes SHOCK...and i am in Shock of the KAR procidure with regards to puppies that are not street dogs....its make them ONE..???

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
16/07/2009 16:30

I have been dragged over the coals and vilified for my condemnation of KAR on here by many of the bleeding heart brigade who claim KAR to be the best thing since sliced bread...

Come on all you lot of bleeding hearts brigade..instead of donating your one can of food a month to clear your conscience ..you get off your arses and help this poor mite.

Spider I am so sad about this poor little thing. xx



This post has been amended due to offensive remarks.

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
16/07/2009 16:30

I am going to report KAR to the RSPCA seeing as they are supposed to be sponsored by them.!!!!!

maybemike


Joined: 12/01/2009
Posts: 188

Message Posted:
16/07/2009 16:44

I am going to carry a large bottle of water around with me and the next time I see KAR begging for donations I will (not carefully or kindly) chuck water all over them whilst shooing them away..







Post has been amended due to offensive remarks

maybemike


Joined: 12/01/2009
Posts: 188

Message Posted:
16/07/2009 16:51

Spider, if you still have him tomorrow Kev will pick him up in the afternoon and he will take him to KAR...they won't refuse to take him believe me, they will be given no choice!!

daisy dukes


Joined: 06/09/2008
Posts: 3815

Message Posted:
16/07/2009 16:54

I know this isn't a laughing matter, but the picture that just came into my head when i read msg 62 was very comical!! This i would pay money to see!!





DD

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
16/07/2009 16:59

Thanks mike and Kev..and for all you others being helpful,its just so sad..and yes it has given me a greater understanding with regards to KAR..



Spider,X

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
16/07/2009 17:10

Mike is a friend of ours Spider and he has about as much respect for KAR as I have ...

chick


Joined: 02/07/2008
Posts: 323

Message Posted:
16/07/2009 17:14

Msg 66



Mike and Kev and the cataloy kid are one and the same person.

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
16/07/2009 17:18

Chick do you have anything useful to say regarding the dog at the heart of this thread...NO...then kindly stop your feeble attempt at stirring up trouble!

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
16/07/2009 18:05

Thanks Dee...yep seems Chick has very little to offer..a bit like KAR,then and their feeble attempts to re-home pups..

just a Q,as have been thinking..how come they dont just sort all the dogs out...put them all back on the streets..then Hya Ho..no KAR...just need the Vets to sort them all out..and the Vets put them back on the streets.??? Whats it all about.?? helpless pups...being dumped to fend for themselves...Come on KAR..give me a pack of dogs then or at least tell me where to find them...and should i send the PUPPY, to live with them...and is it the elders who go shopping for the younger ones.????



Spider,X

puppylover



Joined: 05/05/2008
Posts: 1427

Message Posted:
16/07/2009 18:20

Spider



I understand you are upset but would closing KAR really improve the situation?

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
16/07/2009 18:28

Puppylover,I am not too upset.but was just thinking if this is how they work..how come they still have the dogs locked up..when hay they have the STREETS...Pups and old dogs alike...therefore what are they playing at.???



Spider,X

The-Wicks


Joined: 27/05/2007
Posts: 2279

Message Posted:
16/07/2009 18:56

Spider, Dee, etc. I'm not taking sides here but I can certainly say that before KAR, the situation with both stray cats and dogs was far, far worse than it is now.



Regards to all.



Jean

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
16/07/2009 19:26

Hi Jean..and i do not doubt that either,as they do get the dogs and cats seen to by the Vets..therefor no further reproducing thats great...but if a pup is just dumped in an area.then picked up by KAR..what is the point of making that pup become a street dog.?? alone and hungry.?? Kar are aware of the wise street dogs and the places they frequent...it just a laughing stock of the whole thing....can one not see what i am saying.KAR put this puppy back onto the streets alone and hungry.to fend for itself...just because someone took there,they sorted it..job done..it is gong to no doubt dye a terrible terrible death on the streets thats for sure...Hunger and the big P...within a pack it may well survive.????



Spider,X

cleos


Joined: 13/03/2008
Posts: 77

Message Posted:
16/07/2009 19:57

well well - seems this has resurrected old wounds !!!!!!

Message 60(deecyprus4) - based on your previous comments about Margaret - are you sure you will be putting the correct person in the stocks !



Hubble bubble toil and trouble springs to mind. when reading this thread.



Are there forum rules ??????

Just wondering - are there libel laws in TRNC ????????

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
16/07/2009 20:06

itfc1978...Thankyou for your 3msg...with regards to this situation and the phone No..Have you much else to add to this Thread this evening.??

Well KAR..This little puppy will be back on your doorstep very soon..and may i just give you a little Tip.please do not bring it back into this area as it has no other street dogs to hang about with.Please find it a group to hang around with.then that should be a nice end to this Tread and problem...Let the Big lads teach it a thing or two on how to be street wise...as i sure am KAR wise..and please do remember that i already have 2 rescue dogs thanks...



Spider,X

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
16/07/2009 20:42

spider dont do it give it to me. I cant bear this any more I cant bring any more too the house but i will find a way

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
16/07/2009 20:49

HiyA agree when these little cats were dumped on me i got tem before m dogs

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
16/07/2009 21:00

MARIA YOU ASKED WHY KAR i in uk we nominated we look at thier policies thier charitable satus etc before we part witah our money we are sp causious

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
16/07/2009 21:23

Lilli My love no one wants this little mite..and Kar should know better than to put it back onto the streets with out a pack leader...they know where the packs hang out...Will talk with you soon.LOL.





Spider,X

cleos


Joined: 13/03/2008
Posts: 77

Message Posted:
16/07/2009 22:09

Spider - message 75 - maybe this thread is a case of "not in my backyard thankyou -but anywhere else will do fine "



Would a vet neuter a very young dog ???? Do they not have to be 6 months old ?????? Why not take him to the vets yourself and ask them to put him to sleep ? As you live in Ozankoy (according to your forum info !) it will be closer than taking him to the Rescue Centre and then you can rest easy knowing that you have done what you could for him - in his best interest of course !!!!!. Problem solved !



Q- Pack leader - is that to do with wolves /- or is it Brownies or Girl Guidos ? - sorry spelling mistake !!!!- honest- i did mean Giirl Guides !!!

banjo


Joined: 28/01/2009
Posts: 113

Message Posted:
16/07/2009 22:09

I have also been surprised by KAR, more than one time, when calling about dogs dumped at my door step.I was asked,this is years ago, to bring them to KAR,just to be told;'this is to old/to big(puppies).

When I first came here(more than 10 years ago)there were stray dogs,BUT not as many as to day. I took a stray into my care,without knowing that she some months later would present me with 10 puppies. I called KAR and asked what to do and was promised help.But when the time came, the puppies well fed, 2 1/2 months old, I got so many excuses (like; the kennel for the puppies is not ready/all our puppies are ill), that I understood KAR never intended to help. I found homes for all of them, good or maby not so good, but of cause the puppies were not neutered, so, in a way I have contributed to 'the problem' with to many poor dogs. KAR helped 1 time, but that was easy, a puppy with, what looked like a brooken neck.

Does any one know KARs budget and how much KAR collected last year?

keithcaley



Joined: 13/06/2008
Posts: 2521

Message Posted:
16/07/2009 22:12

Please concentrate your efforts on finding a loving home for this little chap! -

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3433/3727558492_009d20b29a_o.jpg

Talk Later!

cleos


Joined: 13/03/2008
Posts: 77

Message Posted:
16/07/2009 22:18

banjo - i am sure they must have to show aaccredited accounts - and i know they do and hose accounts must tally - i know they have an AGM as well - maybe if so many people are not happy with them they should attend the AGM and voice their concerns , ask questions BUT also listen to replies instead of speculations - it would make a change from the very few who show up every year. They advertise when/where and everyone is welcome.

keithcaley



Joined: 13/06/2008
Posts: 2521

Message Posted:
16/07/2009 22:44

Well said Cleo,

I wish that more people would adopt Ismet's motto:- (from memory, so it may not be quite right!): -

"I must do something" always gets more done than "Something ought to be done"

Keith.

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
17/07/2009 00:19

Spider they put bertie back and thank god he is with me. then this week i get the kittens dumped on m and you all know i cant hurt any animal sso were are they. Crick and crock are safe and secure with me. Keith took pics and cam back two days later only to see a wast diffeence xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx all about love/ I have y given KAr evey chance but im alonexxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

taraspring


Joined: 25/01/2009
Posts: 571

Message Posted:
17/07/2009 00:23

I asked a question at message 53 as follows:-



PS. Who runs KAR? Are any of them members on here? If so, perhaps they can explain WHY they refused to take action in this case!! How many other deserving cases do they refuse to take action?



Surely they have a duty to come out and at least assess the situation? Rather than ignoring it.



I haven't seen an answer yet.



Let's all concentrate our efforts on finding this poor little chappie a good home as it is clear KAR are going to do nothing to assist. Please please......xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

taraspring


Joined: 25/01/2009
Posts: 571

Message Posted:
17/07/2009 00:29

Lilly, you are an angel love. x

You know I have 4 cats and they are no trouble at all. Very independent, and loving too.



I know it is a lot to ask but they will be safe with you, happy, fed and well cared for.

Bless you. xxxxxx

westender


Joined: 14/05/2009
Posts: 328

Message Posted:
17/07/2009 00:39

I am a member of KAR and also am employed by the RSPCA in the UK.

KAR is a CHARITY, it does not have the backing of the law as we have here and is mostly staffed by volunteers who give freely of their own time and energies. They do not have a limitless amount of money, I have seen the accounts and know they exist from day to day. Veterinary treatment is expensive, they do not get it for free. They cannot accede to every request to take in an animal, they have a duty to provide the best care possible for the animals already in their care. If the vets would agree to euthanaise the problem could be sorted, but in the TRNC they refuse to put a healthy animal down so their hands are tied. I suggest you think what the outcry would be if KAR said "enough is enough, we've taken enough crap" and close up, would you take responsibility for the ensuing problem?

This whole thread has made me very angry. It's easy to slag an individual/organisation off, if you don't like the way it's run then

lesleyd



Joined: 05/06/2007
Posts: 265

Message Posted:
17/07/2009 00:45

itfc1978

How right you are your words are true facts not just second hand crap from gossip mongers who sit on their arse night after night whining about Kar Animal Rescue.

Every single day people go to walk the dogs schools visit the center to see what these people up there are doing the hard work that they put into it day after day not just dogs cats also and sometimes other animals.

Like you said there are 200 and more dogs up there plus god knows how many cats they take in sick animals of the streets and take them to the vets to make them well again and yes they do put some back on the streets but they put them back where they find them because they know that they have a better chance to survive on their own territory.

They are building more shelters for even more animals and this is done all by the guys up there and a few volunteers.

So even thought spider the puppy must be a little darling but there are hundreds more little darlings waiting for a home and for someone to love

westender


Joined: 14/05/2009
Posts: 328

Message Posted:
17/07/2009 00:47

contd: get off your fat behinds become a member and put your own ideas forward.

lesleyd



Joined: 05/06/2007
Posts: 265

Message Posted:
17/07/2009 00:50

KAR would be in a better position if the people here directed their energy in helping and supporting rather than finding fault which is all too easy to do.



If you are all truly concerned about animal welfare and want to work at a solution that is good for all concerned then get off your arse and get up there and give a helping hand if not shut up moaning about a bunch of people that are trying their best every single day of the year.

If you would like to write and complain to me you will notice that I do have an email address or if you would like to phone me just ask and I will also send you my phone No.

Best regards

Lesleyd

lesleyd



Joined: 05/06/2007
Posts: 265

Message Posted:
17/07/2009 00:52

What is a ‘Neuter and Return’ programme?



It is a unique project that is being run in many different countries around the world in a bid to show that the only way to humanely reduce the number of street dogs is through a Neuter and Return programme. ‘Dogs Trust UK.’ Is one of the worlds leading organisations in the field of animal welfare recommends and gives guidance under this programme (www.dogstrust.org.uk.)

Dogs are collected, neutered, treated for zoonotic diseases, a numbered ID tag is put into their ear and they are released back into the community. (During a recent visit to Istanbul many of these tagged dogs could be seen in the city and surrounding areas happily living in the community.)



Why do we need a ‘Neuter and Return programme?

lesleyd



Joined: 05/06/2007
Posts: 265

Message Posted:
17/07/2009 00:52

Every year millions of dogs from around the world are poisoned, or shot in an effort by members of the public or municipalities to rid their streets of the ‘menace’ of stray dogs. These dogs are treated as nothing more than vermin to be exterminated.

Dogs and humans have enjoyed a bond, a dependency even, since almost time began. No decent human being would want to see the unnecessary suffering of dogs.

lesleyd



Joined: 05/06/2007
Posts: 265

Message Posted:
17/07/2009 00:53

DEFINITION. There is a difference between street dogs and stray dogs. Street dogs are the canine equivalent to feral cats. They are born, live and will probably die on the streets. Stray dogs are dogs who are either owned and allowed to wander the streets, or else they are previously owned dogs who have been dumped on the streets.



What options are there?

1. Kill the street dogs

2. Capture all the street dogs and put them into shelters

lesleyd



Joined: 05/06/2007
Posts: 265

Message Posted:
17/07/2009 00:54

3. Control or eliminate the street dogs ability to breed and so gradually reduce their numbers: While this may seem like a slow way to control the population numbers and the least likely to show immediate effects, this is the only method of street dog control that actually works. This coupled with an education programme is the only method of population control that will work to benefit the dogs and the local community.

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
17/07/2009 01:23

IWell at the end of the day you all can say your bit.!!! this puppy needs a home.or a pack of dogs from the streets...

so very sorry but it is unable to stay here...and there seems no packs around here.!!! so therefore not any of you have helped.what so ever....I have been to KAR...and i take my HAT off to them..i can agree with what some are saying...We like lilli are unable to set up another mini KAR...Lesley i do understand..and know the jist...the whys and what haves...But please tell me if KAR are unable to home this puppy..and it seems no one on here is interested...

What do you think should become of it...and as i said in my first posting .If people cannot post anything of help..then please do not post at all...is anyone getting the point of this....This puppy is not in a pack on the streets...if it came from a street pack,it would have found them again..not us,..it was put back into the area it was picked up from...and that person knows who they are.who took it to KAR...

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
17/07/2009 01:32

cont,...and KAR know who they are also...remember i have kept,and have given to KAR...and because of this little mite today i have wised up on a few things about KAR...This poting has had over 1015 views,and Kar are aware of the situation too....so what help has been given all day..thanks to Kevin who posted the photo...



the situation will have to change..and it will..I have posted my phone No.if anyone is willing to give a loving home..

but this is the very last of my postings..



thank you to all who have tried to help.



Spider,X Feel free to email me.but i for one will be doing no further postings..this pup needs a home.or a pack.!!!

The-Wicks


Joined: 27/05/2007
Posts: 2279

Message Posted:
17/07/2009 02:09

Spider - I know are not posting, but possibly still reading?



I have posted on here time and time again supporting a mass euthanisia project. They will not do it. I know it is kinder to put a poor homeless animal down, but they do not see it that way, and I know for a fact that there are volunteers at KAR who agree that it would be kinder to put an animal down than to return it to the streets.



Rome wasn't built in a day. Things have changed over the years and we can only hope that, at some point, a cull of these unfortunate animals will take place. Until then, don't hold your breath.



Jean

x

lesleyd



Joined: 05/06/2007
Posts: 265

Message Posted:
17/07/2009 02:31

Maybe as one member said a while ago that she knew of a vet that would do the job as the vets that Kar have been to will not put any healthy animal to sleep so I think instead of shouting their mouth and keep harping on about Kar this Kar that they should come forward with names so that Kar can then approach this so called vet.

And as you say lots of people have read this posting but also remember that lots of people visit Kar lots more people and they continue to support and try and help as much as possible.

Spider I wish you all the best trying to find this poor puppy a home but posting here for a home I doubt very much that you will.

As for the money that Kar gets you really don't have a clue whats going on its just meany mouthed people nit picking

Maybe those that are so quick to pull the guys down that do all the work I think it might be a good idea to let them have a rest for six months and see what sort of job you can do.

catalkoykid


Joined: 15/02/2009
Posts: 1190

Message Posted:
17/07/2009 07:48

someone else that makes money from animals







http://www.furryfeet-petsitters.co.uk

keithcaley



Joined: 13/06/2008
Posts: 2521

Message Posted:
17/07/2009 08:48

Very good Kev

And what about PetCity and the like, not to mention all them vets making money out of animals?

Animals! - that's what they are - ANIMALS!



Anyway, back to the pointer - who would like a nice doggy? - It's really cute. and it's sort of doggy-shaped, and hairy, like...you know... one leg on each corner, sort of thing, big, soulful eyes, floppy ears and all that...



It's got a slightly 'racy' look - something to do with the big red



ear-ring I suspect!

Just in case you've forgotten what this was all about, here he is again: -

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2620/3726039994_966c15234d_o.jpg

daisy dukes


Joined: 06/09/2008
Posts: 3815

Message Posted:
17/07/2009 11:18

Just out of curiosity, why does a vet have to be the one to euthanase the animals....would a non-vet person get into trouble...it's not like it 'has' to be done with drugs, a bullet is just as efficient and quicker....please don't think i am cruel, i am just thinking of ways a mass cull of old sick and dying animals could be done as efficiently as possible. Surely the argument for a cull is far stronger than the argument for releasing and eventual poisoning......?



DD

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
17/07/2009 11:19

DD I agree wholeheartedly with you...culling is the only answer but humanely.

goonerstan



Joined: 14/04/2008
Posts: 397

Message Posted:
17/07/2009 12:25

re message 90,



so we all have to get of our fat arses, join k.a.r. just who do you think you are, your profile says you live in uk, what gives you the right to tell people in another country what to do, most of the top people in k.a.r. recieve salary so why should they not work hard, i notice its the same people at the top end every year before i came to cyprus i sponsored my dog , at a cost to myself of £500-00, i was asked for a £40-00 rehomeing fee when i came to collect her i would not donate 1 kurus to that outfit till there are changes at the top

lesleyd



Joined: 05/06/2007
Posts: 265

Message Posted:
17/07/2009 15:54

catalkoykid

Yes I do make money with my business but I can assure you that I have lots of good references, as I care deeply for animals.

So what about people that look after old people that need looking after?? what do you have to say about that?

Or people that look after children then abuse them?? I suggest that you engage brain before opening mouth fool.

lesleyd



Joined: 05/06/2007
Posts: 265

Message Posted:
17/07/2009 16:03

goonerstan

Yes I do live in the UK at the moment but make regular visits to North Cyprus and as soon as my husband has got his degree to become an ODP we will be on our way to live there permanently.

But also while we are in the UK we do our best to do as much as we can for Kar.



As for what business it has of mine probably the same as what business is it of yours what Kar does with the donations regards the animals.

fire starter


Joined: 19/06/2008
Posts: 3401

Message Posted:
17/07/2009 16:54

lesley,

i have also seen the difference in the care of street dogs in turkey. they are tagged and returned and cared for in the community by the community. every household offers either food or water to them.

like a shared ownership thing, my point here is could people in the trnc be that kind?

lesleyd



Joined: 05/06/2007
Posts: 265

Message Posted:
17/07/2009 17:18

There are lots of people in Cyprus that do the same for both cat's and dogs and I don't mean all the brits its like everything else you get good and bad in everything but that's life.

The people that run the Rescue have all taken quite a few dogs or cats in themselves. When we came over we went to a restaurant and the owner had made his own living room in a play area for lots of cats I thought it was a really nice thing to do.

But don't get me wrong I don't expect everyone to be doing the same thing I know the problem with all the Animals in trnc but it just makes my blood boil when people sit there moaning about what the guys at Kar are doing ok you will always get someone that's not happy with what they are doing but thousands of people visit the rescue every single day of the year so I am sure that if it was that bad you would hear a lot more about Kar than just the whingers on here.

lesleyd



Joined: 05/06/2007
Posts: 265

Message Posted:
17/07/2009 17:19

And the reason that they put animals back to the same places on the streets is because they know that they get food and water from people.

They only have so much room so its like everything else if there is no room at the Inn what can you do??.

fire starter


Joined: 19/06/2008
Posts: 3401

Message Posted:
17/07/2009 18:38

change from the goverment is the only way.

make them start to take resposibility for their own mess, and get some law through to start to deal with it.

i just beleive while we still mop up their mess, they will do nothing.

everyone who is an animal lover here has taken on their fair share of extras, it just can't go on indefinatley, there is no more room at the inn anywhere here.

every day i see starving puppies owned by a neighbour of mine,every year he has at least two litters , people talk about him but he just doesn't care and nobody does anything. you could say just feed them for him, but then next year he will let them breed and the cycle begins again. creating a bigger problem. laws will be the only way to stop these people and those who just dump dogs. lets remember its not only the locals.

instead of posting here, giving kar a dig it ,would be more constructive to be working on ideas on how to get something done about the problems.

how do we get someone in goverment to

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
17/07/2009 18:44

I have met the dog in queston today and spider and i have both been broken hearted. I only wish to god i could take it. Fire starter you are so right this government should intervene and bring laws in. It wasthe same when I found BJ I asked the owner why he didnt gette mums done reply why spoil thier fun. what can we do. Any ideas on how to get this government to look at this problem xx

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
17/07/2009 19:35

Update on Lucky..renamed Dave by DD...he has had chicken, rice and biscuits and a couple scraps with Krall, Kont has left home in disgust because I shouted at Krall lol, don't worry she will return, Krall is letting him know who is the Alpha male..nothing too serious just a nip and a bit of growling but all is ok at mo.



Spider and Lilli don't cry anymore..he is in good hands for a few days at least. xx

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
17/07/2009 19:41

lesleyd you care deeply for animals...I bet your customers wouldnt like the comments you put on here cos from my viewpoint they are just a money making machine to you...

smithy


Joined: 17/07/2008
Posts: 5301

Message Posted:
17/07/2009 19:56

Dee you have a heart of gold, thanks for taking Dave home for at least a few days until something is sorted out.

cleos


Joined: 13/03/2008
Posts: 77

Message Posted:
17/07/2009 19:56

message 104 goonerstan - the people at the top get a salary - who do you mean The committee ?or the full time staff at the Centre ?

The committee receive NO salary - the volunteers receive NO salary and the Centre workers do work bloody hard for their salary. Yet eveyone involved with KAR (be they paid or not) has the same old moaners banging the same old drum about what they are doing wrong ???

DO THEY NEVER DO ANYTHING RIGHT !!! Of course they do but the mealy mouthed few on this board ignore that.

I have tried to be impartial,trie not get too involved abide by my own confidentiality morals but what the heck - maybe the information that was given on the telephone to KAR by "Spider - m ***a " did not quite match the info that has been put on this board. The dog had been seen by her living in that same area with local dogs. Hence why it was returned there - it is its home area. No mention of any need for vet treatment - it was being a nuisance to Spiders dogs/cats. continue

cleos


Joined: 13/03/2008
Posts: 77

Message Posted:
17/07/2009 20:05

continued

The dog had, on Thurs, only been hanging around for 2 days at Spiders house. But she and/or husband and/or friend had put it in a car and driven it to the Lapta border where they put it out of the car and left it with some food and drove off. Next norning it ad returned - back to its HOME enviroment (which unfortunately is Spiders = M***A locale). It was still upsetting annoying her dogs/cats. She, quite rightly, doesn't want it at on her property -all she wanted was for it to be moved - away from her - a case of not in my backyard as had previously been mentioned.

An assesment was being carried out during the whole conversation - Spider =M***A was told more than once not to put words into the Helpline persons mouth. Spider was corrected more than once because she was NOT listening to what was being said - she wanted the problem solved in her way.

The situation was quite straight forward there were no valid reason for KAR to divert from its policy - continue

cleos


Joined: 13/03/2008
Posts: 77

Message Posted:
17/07/2009 20:16

continued

Their policy has been explained by lesley - the only reason that there was for it to be moved was because Spider wanted it away from her property and from her dogs/cats. When the advise was given to deter it from her property it was not advise that Spider wanted. But if followed the dog would not be annoying her dogs/cats and it would not be on her property but it would still be in its own home enviroment. Problem solved !!

The other alternative is that one her "many" mates could have gone and collected the dog and taken it to the vet and explained why it couldn't stay in taht area and asked the vet to put it to sleep - problem solved I DOUBT IT !!!I hope that you are all pleased with yourselves. Its a good job not everyone thinks like the mealy mouthed few on this board - we would still be i n the days when there were hundreds of stary dogs running around TRNC in packs. Mind you maybe that was before the mealy mouthed few chose to come and live here so they wouldn't know.

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
17/07/2009 20:20

cleos how bloody dare you form an ill conceived opinion of a woman who is an genuine animal lover, who was breaking her heart over this poor dog...crawl back under your stone from whence you came.



and what is the spider=M***A crap?

catalkoykid


Joined: 15/02/2009
Posts: 1190

Message Posted:
17/07/2009 20:30

mealy mouthed listen you trumped up bitch, ive sat with people today breaking there hearts about this dog, we have spent thousands of pounds doing the best we can, as a few vets can tell you, we dont get wills left to us, we just get on a do the best we can,we dont just send a tenner a year or give a can of dog food, now take your mealy mouth and shove it where the sun dont shine

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
17/07/2009 20:34

Sheila I get so damned mad at ignorant, stupid posters like lesleyd...who are only interested in making money and giving their advice from their houses in the UK, they know nothing of the dog situ here.

catalkoykid


Joined: 15/02/2009
Posts: 1190

Message Posted:
17/07/2009 20:34

mees 81 banjo



I have also been surprised by KAR, more than one time, when calling about dogs dumped at my door step.I was asked,this is years ago, to bring them to KAR,just to be told;'this is to old/to big(puppies).



When I first came here(more than 10 years ago)there were stray dogs,BUT not as many as to day. I took a stray into my care,without knowing that she some months later would present me with 10 puppies. I called KAR and asked what to do and was promised help.But when the time came, the puppies well fed, 2 1/2 months old, I got so many excuses (like; the kennel for the puppies is not ready/all our puppies are ill), that I understood KAR never intended to help. I found homes for all of them, good or maby not so good, but of cause the puppies were not neutered, so, in a way I have contributed to 'the problem' with to many poor dogs. KAR helped 1 time, but that was easy, a puppy with, what looked like a brooken neck.



that was 10 years ago read

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
17/07/2009 20:41

So in 10 years the situation has not improved...now why does that not surprise me...keep raking the money in eh KAR..they don't want improvement because that means less donations..

cleos


Joined: 13/03/2008
Posts: 77

Message Posted:
17/07/2009 20:52

deecyprus4 - I DO DARE AND BLOODY WELL HAVE DARED .

FYI- Spider = M****A - look at Spiders given email addy on her member info !!!! It also ties in with the callers GIVEN name to KAR on Thursday afternoon. Although "she" the caller was not a 'male carpenter living in Ozankoy' !!!!!! But it was the same person. SO i REPEAT YES I DO BLOODY DARE !

catalkoykid - did i mention you - or anyone else for that matter - but if the hat fits !!!!!

I just despair of the person who taught fishwives to read and write and use a computer.



Moderators ARE YOU WATCHING THIS TIME !!!!!!

catalkoykid


Joined: 15/02/2009
Posts: 1190

Message Posted:
17/07/2009 20:59

you would no about fish wives, old trout comes to mind

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
17/07/2009 21:19

cleos I can only assume that you are on the board at KAR seeing as you defending their actions so vigorously...



As for your fishwife remark lol..thanks for the giggle...you couldn't be further from the truth.

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
17/07/2009 21:23

Oh and i said that i would post no further on this Tread...Well,Well,Well,So the one who i phoned SPEAKS.ha,ha,ha,

As you will see from all my postings.The TRUTH..was said..this dog was dumped within the area..some months ago we first noticed it...Hay Ho...guessed that that someone whos dog it was running with took it to KAR..seems this was a fact..as the puppy was not seen again for a short while..Then we noticed it again,with TAG...so Yes KAR had done its FANTASTIC JOB....but this puppy was never seen running in a pack of strays...as i have not seen a pack of strays around this area...It had been running with the dogs that live down the ROAD.....so get it please...This little puppy was just dumped yet again,..but this time by KAR....alone hungry and made to defend for its self...For gods sake this is just a puppy....



So Mrs Mouth..you know who you are...told me on the phone to SHOOOO.it away...come on your having a laugh here.!!!! i asked you how..you said with a water gun..

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
17/07/2009 21:37

Cont...right i will just run to the shops and get one....get a broom.you said...ha.ha.ha..What you were trying to say was throw a bucket of water over it..throw stones at it.and shove a broom up its ASS..all at the same time,and send it on its WAY..HAY HO JUST LIKE YOU DID...and like i said in one of the above posts.You keep records of who,brought the pup in,when..from what area...and you thinking it was running with a pack.?? WELL HOW WRONG you were..but then your not intersted in all of that TRUTH.now are you....So here is the update for your future ref:..IF this little puppy is not re-homed by these KIND FRIENDS.by Tuesday..we will be having him back..His name is Lucky...not David,think that was just a joke.!!!???...To do with some Villans..



So MRS.MOUTH Who did not follow your own policy by putting this puppy back within a running PACK.now you know the truth..and in future please when you next put a puppy onto the streets to fend for it self please make SURE you find the

Harold2555



Joined: 19/04/2008
Posts: 1139

Message Posted:
17/07/2009 21:44

With regret





Whilst I appreciate that this topic causes high feelings to run with some, I am closing it because it has lead to some members losing their civility. Those members are advised that any further insults and lack of civility will lead to their intially being banned from posting for a day or two in order to cool down a bit.





Harold

Harold2555



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Message Posted:
17/07/2009 21:44

This thread is now closed. Reason: Thread was against the forum rules.