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biteback


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15/07/2009 16:20

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is this true even estate agent say not giving english pre 74 v deeds ,even though they can sell it to us ,,.perhaps we ve had to much !!!! turkish land



Bradus


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15/07/2009 20:54

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Must be true if the estate agents are now warning the British!

Has anyone been given a reason as to why they are being refused? There must be action that can be taken to address this issue. Any constructive comments from other Pre 74 Title deed holders would be welcome.

What other obstacles can be put in the way of purchasers?



TheSaints



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15/07/2009 21:28

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In December 2008 the Council of ministers sent a letter to all advocates informing them that they would not approve any PTP for pre 1974 Turkish Title property or land for Foreign buyers.

It has took 7 months for the estate agents to start acting on this....

My advocate gave me this info in Dec 2008 when I was looking at pre 74 properties.



pilgrim



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15/07/2009 21:49

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if this true must open way to ECHR for discrimination



biteback


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discrum!! bloody hell must be used to it by now ,, thinking the goldern gooses arse is getting sore



cronos


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15/07/2009 22:11

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If this is true then it represents another unjustifiable act of discrimination against foreign purchasers in Northern Cyprus.



Is it safe to say then there are now NO types of title deeds that foreigners should touch?( I know Pre-74 British Title Deeds exist but try finding any for sale).



This would surely be the final nail in the coffin of theTRNC property market,and if so then the government deserve all the economic decline that it will inevitably bring.



COULD NAOMI MEHMET OR ANY OTHER ADVOCATES WHO ADVERTISE ON HERE CONFIRM WHETHER THIS IS TRUE OR NOT?



Karanfil


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15/07/2009 22:32

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We bought a house with Pre 74 title in September 2007 and are currently awaiting our PTP. I heard a romour that foreigners were being refused PTP on Pre 74 properties and asked our solicitor (Naomi Mehmet & Partners) in May this year if this was true. I received a reply that they had no knowledge of this. We specifically chose Pre 74 title because we thought this was the best and safest.



cronos


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15/07/2009 22:44

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Karanfil.......almost exactly the same as us......but waiting since Dec 2006 for PTP....and still waiting !



We asked our own solicitor about this a few months ago and got the same stock answer"they had no knowledge of this" which always sounds a bit of a cop out.



If people like us who went out of our way to "do the right thing" are now being cheated by the system then the warning should go out to all prospective purchasers that there are NO safe title deeds for foreigners in TRNC.



Hector


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15/07/2009 22:46

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I have been refused PTP (in 2008 applied 2006) on my apartment in Kyrenia which is on pre 74 Turkish title land but also close to an army camp. They don't give a reason. Complete nonsense and blatant racism. If they don't want foreigners or their investment, the government should have said so. Do they really think that NC can exist only with TC's owning property and businesses?



cronos


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Hector....sorry to hear about your refusal.

I can understand that proximity to military installations or a criminal record would be valid reasons to refuse PTP .....but to refuse simply because we are foreigners,and this AFTER the so-called legal process has allowed us to "purchase" and part with our money in the first place , simply stinks of blatant discrimination.



Hector


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cronos

I agree with you apart from the proximity to a military installation. Most of NC it seems is near an army installation of one sort or another. How is it that I can live in my apartment or rent a property right next to an army camp yet not own it? It appears that spies only purchase property!



cronos


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Hi Hector.....no,what I meant was that the information has always been out there about the chance of refusal if you are too close to a military base.



This seemingly covert action to deny PTP for simply being a foreigner has always just been a "rumour"...albeit one with mounting evidence to validate it.



Once again,can I ask any Advocates to come on here and give a straight Yes or No answer to this issue?



Hector


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15/07/2009 23:14

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Good point although the estate agent - Royal Estates, assurred me it was 'not a problem'.



Bradus


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15/07/2009 23:21

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At last, the North and South have something in common.



http://www.news.cyprus-property-buyers.com/2009/07/12/cyprus-government-in-incestuous-relationships/id=001993



Hector


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15/07/2009 23:36

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A friend says 'A Cypriots a Cypriot north or south.'



biteback


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lets put it like this ,,, lawyer cost 1000 plus 4 contract wot ever was this worth . if u broke contract , problem , if builder broke no problem , u could take him to court for a couple of years more money , then lose ,,, so wot in true terms are, your deeds worth if shit comes to shove , live life only got one its all a gamble . like banks ,,,,,



keithcaley



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16/07/2009 07:00

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msg 3,

Who was your advocate?

Did you actually SEE the letter?

Did you get a copy of it?

Can WE see it?

Sorry about all that, - but it would be good to see hard evidence, rather than 'so and so' told me ....

Keith.



Bradus


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16/07/2009 10:34

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Keith,



I agree. The problem is that very few are actually refused but people are being left in limbo. Advocates are beginning to admit there is a problem and their clients are not going to get their PTP as the government is no longer issuing these to Turkish Title holders. There are rumours and suggestions that leaseholds may be offered instead, but nothing has been put into writing and as far as I know the government have not announced this or come clean as to why they are no longer granting these title deeds.



There are many people at a lost as to what to do. If anyone is in the same boat perhaps we should share our experiences and look at what action can be taken.



barnaclebill


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16/07/2009 10:35

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It seems to me that if you are a foreigner no matter were you buy in the world you have a fairly good chance of coming a cropper.A recent programme here in the Uk two days ago highlighted this problem.Here are a few examples;



France,

Brit bought and paid for a chataue only to loose it to a frenchman who apparently put a bid in before the brit,the french high court evicted the brit.

Spain,

Brits although they had the paperwork and had paid for their Villa had it demolished by the local council.They left them with a garage and their swimming pool.The council cancelled the licence for the building hence it was illegal.

Cyprus,

Three million pound scam by british builder against brits and apparently only the tip of the iceberg, 83% of the foreigners that have bought in the South have not yet received their deeds.



The question is, if as above these countries are in the EU with all there legal avenues of redress what chance have you got in a non-eu country ??



Garfield


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16/07/2009 12:43

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TO BUY or not to Buy ? that is the question!!



baxi7


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Message Posted:
16/07/2009 13:25

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not just the english . ? .



TheSaints



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16/07/2009 14:01

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Keith...



Who was your advocate? Mine Konat



Did you actually SEE the letter? Yes but it made no difference to me as it was in Turkish...



Did you get a copy of it? Why would I want a copy, what good would it of been to me?? I was told what it was by my advocate and told I would not get permission to buy pre 74, and that foreign purchasers would only be given PTP on "esdeger" what more was there to say?



Can WE see it? Go and ask an advocate they were all supposed to have got it wether they will admit it may be another thing, same as it has taken the Estate Agents 7 months to start telling people unless it has took this long for it to filter down to them..



Tinkie


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Message Posted:
16/07/2009 14:04

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I bought a Turkish Title property in Lapta and got me permissions to purchase and deeds. I must admit it did take me close to 4 years but did not experience a problem.



keithcaley



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16/07/2009 17:36

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The SAINTS,

Thanks for the straight answers, and sorry about the 'third degree'

My Advocate said that she 'had heard' that there were problems with getting PTP for foreigners - but had seen nothing in writing - do you see why I was so interested in documentary evidence?

I quite understand that it made no difference to you whether you had a copy or not - but I asked the question on the basis that as most of the Advocates here lie through their teeth, you can only believe what you can see for yourself!

Not, I hasten to add, that I am suggesting for one minute that your particular Advocate (or Mine ) come into this category

Anyway, thanks again,

Keith.



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