Update on Lucky, another of KAR rejects

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
20/07/2009 16:27

Sadly we were unable to find a loving home for Mr Lucky in the few days we had him and so spider has taken him back..being the true animal lover that she is, she couldn't bear the thought of him being taken back to KAR, who couldn't be bothered to help out (typical and certainly not the first time they have refused to help dogs)...please anyone out there if you are looking for a really lovely dog get in touch ...Thanks.

zerochlor


Joined: 03/04/2009
Posts: 4024

Message Posted:
20/07/2009 16:33

does KAR publish its yearly accounts?



Would actually be nice to see how much this charity takes and how much of the money is spent on professional helpers,as i think thats the name for charity workers, maybe im wrong?



Seems to be a thriving business!

catalkoykid


Joined: 15/02/2009
Posts: 1190

Message Posted:
20/07/2009 16:44

yes i no i read some lady, left them a large amount of money or property in her will,i think the accounts should be published.

zerochlor


Joined: 03/04/2009
Posts: 4024

Message Posted:
20/07/2009 16:49

just would be nice to know how much money comes in and how much is spent on rental of offices.fuel,professional fee,s, ect ect.



After all we do all put some of our spare change in the boxes we see on bar tops around the island.



my opinion and curiosity only!

britvic



Joined: 05/09/2008
Posts: 3039

Message Posted:
20/07/2009 16:57

Daisy, could you send me some photos of lucky and I will post them for you?







Vicki

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
20/07/2009 17:06

Hi all,lucky jumped out of the car,all very happy to be back..but to put something else to all.We rent our house from a very,very nice Chap..but not too sure he would like the fact we have this little pup..so yes he will still need to find a good home..unless KAR.are willing to collect him,and put him someplace else.?? cant see that happen..We have homed two dogs and a kitten so far.and not sure how to Shoooo.Lucky away.do car do any training in this type of relocation work.??this poor little mite has been through enough.!!!



Spider,X

smithy


Joined: 17/07/2008
Posts: 5301

Message Posted:
20/07/2009 17:08

So happy Liz found a good home for the kittens that was a good mornings work

Dee I understand you are going back to the UK tomorrow, as I was going to meet up with you and go to spiders, not sure where it is or how to get there.

Have a great trip and see you in Sept.

Keep in touch

Sheila xxx

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
20/07/2009 17:12

He really has Maria and we have to think of the effects all this moving around will have on him. After speaking with Lena today and her telling us the physologial damage it causes. I will keep pushing to find somewhere. Maybe in a few weks Amy and Rich may take him. They came back for the kittens. We will all work together on this one xxxxx

keithcaley



Joined: 13/06/2008
Posts: 2521

Message Posted:
20/07/2009 17:13

Hi,

As far as I can see, you need to be a member to view the accounts, but I did find something that says they pay out about £2,000 a month in wages - that's about 4 people on the National Minimum Wage if you take Provident fund contributions etc into account. Probably the TC helpers at the compound, van drivers etc

The article was here: - http://www.kyreniaanimalrescue.org/eventsgallery/Autumn_08_Newsletter_(FINAL).doc

There was some information on their fostering programme, and the campaigns against poisoning, and education - from children right up to Government Ministers : - http://www.kyreniaanimalrescue.org/press.html

Hope that helps,

Keith.

zerochlor


Joined: 03/04/2009
Posts: 4024

Message Posted:
20/07/2009 17:26

message 10



Cheers keith



the Annual General Meeting

Download was quite interesting.



Thanks again.

gates


Joined: 08/12/2008
Posts: 1096

Message Posted:
20/07/2009 18:38

how many dogs or what ever can they take if you have a dog its yours for ever remember the add a dog is not just for christmas why o why do people take a dog in for a few days and then wont out this country is plagued with some time owners that is the problem not kar i think they do as much as they can and have seen this first hand so please give due were it is deserved

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
20/07/2009 18:43

Perhaps gates you may be able to help.??





Spider,X

fiendishpaul


Joined: 18/05/2008
Posts: 1720

Message Posted:
20/07/2009 18:49

Glad to hear that Mr Lucky is doing well. However, I can't help but feel that the title of the post is a bit disingenuous. I don't want to rake up old posts but I think it is a bit unfair to class Mr Lucky as a KAR reject. Having been brought into KAR, he would have been assessed, neutered, tagged and then released in line with their recognised practices. I think it is time to cease the KAR bashing and crack on with looking after our furry friends.

Regards

Paul

gates


Joined: 08/12/2008
Posts: 1096

Message Posted:
20/07/2009 19:09

i am ashamed at the way peolpe treat there pets dogs tied on short chains starving until the big hunting season when they all crowd round with all there dogs at the bottom of your garden an shot anyting that moves i love cyprus and will always some things need changing and with out a doubt it in voles these 2 somwhere and having a go at some people that are trying there best for nought give this one a rest well done kar as far as i am concerned

PaulW



Joined: 20/07/2009
Posts: 651

Message Posted:
20/07/2009 19:52

Keith are you after Elkos most helpful member tag



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spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
20/07/2009 20:34

gates this one will never rest i am sure of that.!! this stray dog thing and KAR.have been going on for many many years..I have been here just over two years..and have lost the dog we bought over with us to the big,'P',and have taken in two stray rescue dogs in already.I have said before,and will say one last time...the people who work at Kar do what they can yes..true.I have been to see the place...its like an old pets home caged old dogs....Then they get all the pups brought in..I took three in one year myself...Things need to change,and its about TIME..





Spider,X

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
21/07/2009 00:40

Friendship paul if only. Kar seemingly have limited resourses and rely on donations I ahave tried many many times when i have founs dogs with stomachs hangin out or hit by a car to no avail. I understand thier policy of tagging but this paticular situation is beyond belieif. They put him there where he did not belong hes a lost soul. Maria took pity and fed I know wrong answer. Why do they do that all she wanted was for them to take him back and maybe place somewhere else then it got nasty. The dog in question is lovely as they all are but you may have read the comments back and fro Its go to the point when we have to question. Its a nightmare we all do our bit and we do no get paid salarys are paid to memembers of KAR donations are so why can did not extend or offer alternative homes . sorry missed my full stop. Paul beleive me we all do our bit. What else can we do we had a meeting todat to try elivate KAR by fostering and hopefully thats the way forward. We housed a dog and two beau

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
21/07/2009 00:42

sorry ran out of space two beautiful kittens dumped on me . If you live in the UK you will not understand what we see on a daily basis. Its so bad xxx

lesleyd



Joined: 05/06/2007
Posts: 265

Message Posted:
21/07/2009 03:03

old pets home caged old dogs..Hmmm think there are a few porkies being told now don't you spider next time you go to the rescue I think it may be a very good idea to put your giggs on.

There are over 200 dogs at the center and your saying its for all old dogs lmao there are dogs of all ages up there so if anyone doubts this maybe a nice sunday drive up there so you can see for your self.

As for the unlucky dog that you keep going on about I think hid luck ran out when he met you as he was put back to the streets yes by Kar but in an area that they know he can get fed and watered where he knows it as his home and as sad as it may seem that is where he has been surviving.

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
21/07/2009 05:43

lesleyd, jesus you make my blood boil, you do not even damn well live here yet you are judging ppl like spider, how dare you..you clearly are just a money making machine from animals and you know nothing, you live in the UK and I bet you are as hard as nails and couldn't care less about one of the animals you get PAID to look after..many ppl are sick of your remarks and if I had to make an educated guess I would say you are related to someone high up at KAR.

catalkoykid


Joined: 15/02/2009
Posts: 1190

Message Posted:
21/07/2009 05:48

i would'nt let you look after my dog bowl lesleyd



http://www.furryfeet-petsitters.co.uk

goonerstan



Joined: 14/04/2008
Posts: 397

Message Posted:
21/07/2009 08:15

lesleyd message 22, you talk the biggest load of bullshit, my dog stray as was, lived in catalkoy was released in alsancak people who lived there watched k.a.r release it, engage your brain before you spout rubbish

fiendishpaul


Joined: 18/05/2008
Posts: 1720

Message Posted:
21/07/2009 08:33

I have no axe to grind with anybody on here and fully appreciate that EVERYBODY has the best interests at heart of ALL the abandoned dogs that we seek to help. However. I would like to make a couple of points just to clarify where I believe people have been misinformed:

1. The only people who receive a salary at KAR are the permanent staff who work 5 days a week, 52 weeks a year. I can vouch first hand how hard they work and the difficult conditions under which they operate. They deserve every TL they earn (and some).

2. KAR do not knowingly release unhealthy dogs back on the streets. They are assessed by a vet, any illnesses treated and the spayed/neutered before being released. Should anyone come across a tagged dog that is ill, please ring KAR and they will come and pick up the dog and get it veterinary treatment.

I wish the fostering programme all the luck in the world, and if successful it should take a bit of pressure off KAR.

Regards

Paul

Mr Vince


Joined: 24/07/2008
Posts: 696

Message Posted:
21/07/2009 09:31

Leslyd message 20



I was a Kar helper and was asked to collect 2 dogs from the centre who had been caught in Essenteppe, neutered and health checked, and release them behind Bells Food in Alsanjack. I was told how to release them; by opening a large can of dog food and spilling it onto the ground at the rear of the van. Then open doors and cages then run like hell because the dogs will try to follow the van home. This is not a random occurance but was the instruction of the lady who runs the centre. I refused to do this so another helper did the deed.

catalkoykid


Joined: 15/02/2009
Posts: 1190

Message Posted:
21/07/2009 09:49

i am not suprised fair play mr vince, the truth will out, needs more people like you to tell the truth, once again fair play

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
21/07/2009 10:03

Thankyou Mr Vince...But Hay did we no Know this..Yes we all do even the ones that do not help with car..





Spider,X

catalkoykid


Joined: 15/02/2009
Posts: 1190

Message Posted:
21/07/2009 10:05

spider you read mess 20

fire starter


Joined: 19/06/2008
Posts: 3401

Message Posted:
21/07/2009 14:33

i'm not a big supporter of kar but i do believe lucky would have been better off left where they dropped him.

just face it, you have tried to introduce him to other dogs and he has been unable to get along with them.

that just shows how inexperienced you are when it comes to dogs.

you cannot just put a new dog into a pack which is established ,as it will work sometime but other times it won't something you need to consider when doing your fostering bit.

how stressfull do you think that has been for this poor dog?

i think much more stressfull than if he had been left to his own devices.

why not put him back where he belongs and take food and water for him daily, that way everyone could share the responcibility and check on him?

its cruel to be kind!

fiendishpaul


Joined: 18/05/2008
Posts: 1720

Message Posted:
21/07/2009 15:22

It has already been mentioned by AJ on another thread but what is a VIABLE alternative to the Neuter and Return programme. Plenty of people here criticising but nobody suggesting an alternative solution.

Answers on a postcard please.......................



By the way Lilli, my name is FiendishPaul not FriendshipPaul - however I am a friendly and not a bit fiendish and I live permanently in the TRNC.



Regards



Paul

lesleyd



Joined: 05/06/2007
Posts: 265

Message Posted:
21/07/2009 17:17

deecyprus4



I dare just as much as you dare...lol as for me you have not got a clue if I own property in Cyprus or the amount of times that we come over.

As for me being related wrong again. As far as I can see I have been following quite a few of your post and could also say how dare you insult other people as you can be a very nasty old bag at times you do not intimidate me at all,

Spider is saying that the dogs at the rescue are all old dogs!! you try to poison peoples minds against Kar and some of those people have not even ever been to the rescue all they are going of is you and you big mouth and I have to say that if your purse is a big as you mouth then you must be a very rich old lady.

But people really don't need to be Einstein to work out how to get to Kars web site and look on there at the many cats and dogs that either need homing or need sponsors I am sure that people could tell an old dog from a young dog.

As for the dog in question everything that I said is tr

lesleyd



Joined: 05/06/2007
Posts: 265

Message Posted:
21/07/2009 17:28

is true you are dumping him well out of his territory what anwful thing to do he wont know where to go to get food or water plus there is every chance that he will be attacked by other dogs because he shouldn't be there so all in all your just piling more misery on the poor animal.

As for my work how stupid are you?? I think you are just a very lonely old spinster that likes to stir up trouble all the time and I am very surprised that you have not ended in court as yet for slander.

Oh and by the way if I remember rightly their are lots of people on this forum that does not live in North Cyprus and are still living in the UK or has had to go back to live in the UK.

catalkoykid


Joined: 15/02/2009
Posts: 1190

Message Posted:
21/07/2009 17:35

i say if your brain was Chocolate you would have trouble filling a smarty why spend money on kar its a 1 way fund nowhere, they have no intention of solving the prob completely stops the earner

lesleyd



Joined: 05/06/2007
Posts: 265

Message Posted:
21/07/2009 17:41

Oh And by the way deecyprus4 I really doubt that you are educated at all you can give it but you hate to receive it.

As for anyone else commenting about my work well I will just like to inform you all as long as my customers are very happy for me to look after their pets while away on holiday or anywhere else then I really could not care less what you think at all. At least I know that the animals I look after are not stressed out by having to go into kennels.

So as far as that goes it goes right over the top of my head because you really are coming out with the biggest loads of b*** s***.

simbas



Joined: 16/07/2007
Posts: 5943

Message Posted:
21/07/2009 17:46

This is getting nasty i am now closing the thread for that reason

Simbas

simbas



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Message Posted:
21/07/2009 17:47

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