Contact number for KAR Please

Whistler


Joined: 28/07/2008
Posts: 1332

Message Posted:
20/07/2009 21:44

HELP Have looked on the web site found three numbers all of which there was NO REPLY. Some moron has dumped a pointer bitch and three puppies in Lapta. Just on the bend past the Belediye. I am trying to contact KAR to no avail.

PaulW



Joined: 20/07/2009
Posts: 651

Message Posted:
20/07/2009 21:47

I might be wrong, but I was of the opinion that they don't answer their phones after 4 o'clock???



P

KatyMcM


Joined: 12/07/2009
Posts: 46

Message Posted:
20/07/2009 21:53

the number I have from a fact sheet is:

+90 (0) 533 869 4098

Email: kar@kyreniaanimalrescue.org

Whistler


Joined: 28/07/2008
Posts: 1332

Message Posted:
20/07/2009 22:00

KatyMcM

Have tried that one thanks. Can only perhaps send an e-mail and phone them first thing tomorrow.

Thanks anyway.

Whistler


Joined: 28/07/2008
Posts: 1332

Message Posted:
20/07/2009 23:02

Hi everyone. These animals look well looked after. Pointer bitch is obviously still feeding the pups who are probably a couple of months old. One black, one sable and the other I think the same as the Mother. Surely someone might have some bells ringing as to who might have done this. Do you know a little family like this that has suddenly disappeared. There may be more pups but I only saw three.

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
20/07/2009 23:24

Hi Whistler,looks like they may all one day get picked up by KAR,but then very soon they will all be back,running loose.Put back to the very place you have seen them,good luck...



Spider,X

daisy dukes


Joined: 06/09/2008
Posts: 3815

Message Posted:
20/07/2009 23:39

....with a rather fetching red earing!!



DD

Whistler


Joined: 28/07/2008
Posts: 1332

Message Posted:
21/07/2009 00:14

DD and Spider. It`s really heartbreaking. Someone must know where they`ve come from. Maybe someone going back to Britain? I am in the same situation as you Maria, we rent and we already have taken in a dog and 2 cats, one of which only has three legs. I dare not have any more. Beside which you could not have one without the others. 101 dalmations comes to mind. I agree about them probably being put back after they have been to KAR and the red earring, but at least they wont have any more unfortunate babies.

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
21/07/2009 00:19

Whistler you have no chance love. Its a sad sad situation. i had kittens dumped on me when i got back from wales. today I got them homed thanks be to god. Well we will all do what we can but please dont think they will come out

Whistler


Joined: 28/07/2008
Posts: 1332

Message Posted:
21/07/2009 10:38

Had an e-mail back from KAR this am. Apparentlly my neighbour reported it also yesterday and they have arranged to take them to the office at KAR. Apparently someone had brought them down from Baspinar because there was no water where they were staying.

catalkoykid


Joined: 15/02/2009
Posts: 1190

Message Posted:
21/07/2009 10:41

yes i bet more like coming to get them beacause of the stick there getting,anynot matter as the as the dogs get look after

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
21/07/2009 10:57

Oh well they came from,Baspinar.but found Nr your place.my guess that is where they will end up back,once on their feet again..anyone willing to put money on that.???







Spider,X

pinkchilli


Joined: 30/11/2008
Posts: 689

Message Posted:
21/07/2009 11:32

What would YOU do without KAR. Ignore the financial aspects that some people give.



Go on, what would YOU do?



Is it not better than the alternative? (What IS the alternative?).



Should your local Belediyere be more helpful? What would they do?

catalkoykid


Joined: 15/02/2009
Posts: 1190

Message Posted:
21/07/2009 11:50

I was a Kar helper and was asked to collect 2 dogs from the centre who had been caught in Essenteppe, neutered and health checked, and release them behind Bells Food in Alsanjack. I was told how to release them; by opening a large can of dog food and spilling it onto the ground at the rear of the van. Then open doors and cages then run like hell because the dogs will try to follow the van home. This is not a random occurance but was the instruction of the lady who runs the centre. I refused to do this so another helper did the deed.





so is this the answer pink, go on, go on, what would you do

Codger


Joined: 03/04/2009
Posts: 153

Message Posted:
21/07/2009 12:03

catalkoykid



You may not agree with the NTR ( neuter/tag/return )programme that KAR use but it is approved by the National Dogs Trust who also run Battersea Dogs Home.

Now the question is this: If you disapprove of the NTR programme please tell us what your alternative programme is for dealing with all the stray dogs.

You already know that the vets here will not put a healthy dog down so please be constructive with your reply.



Codger

pinkchilli


Joined: 30/11/2008
Posts: 689

Message Posted:
21/07/2009 12:07

I'm not suggesting an alternative, nor do I have the answer.



What I'm trying to get to, is, what else is there?



I know, the current situation is not perfect, you may even feel it is useless, but is it not better than nothing?



What would happen if KAR said they are going to cease to exist, take no more donations, and spend the remaining funds on giiving the animals the best they can. When the money runs out, they hand the keys to the Government?

catalkoykid


Joined: 15/02/2009
Posts: 1190

Message Posted:
21/07/2009 13:00

iwas informed that the Veterinary unit in Lefkoşa will put down unwanted dogs???

puppylover



Joined: 05/05/2008
Posts: 1427

Message Posted:
21/07/2009 13:01

pinkchilli



I have to agree with you on this one.



"What else is there?"

It may not be perfect in some people's eyes but at least KAR are doing their best with the resources they do have.

I think some of the anti KAR brigade would be happy if KAR did cease to exist...what happens then?

Will they then take on the 200+ dogs/cats?

Do people honestly think that the government will come to the rescue?



Have any of the people who continually slate KAR asked to meet with KAR to find out exactly what their policies are, who makes the policies and are they restricted by government guide lines?



I think at the end of the day whatever people's feelings are in regards to animal welfare/KAR this is TRNC and not UK and certain policies may not be ideal in our eye's but unless we find out what the policies are exactly and what, if anything we can do to educate/change (which KAR are already attempting to do) the people/government then all the negativity is not going to resolve anything.

Codger


Joined: 03/04/2009
Posts: 153

Message Posted:
21/07/2009 13:31

Catalkoykid



You said ' iwas informed that the Veterinary unit in Lefkoşa will put down unwanted dogs??? '



Have you actually checked this out and found out as to whether it is fact or fiction?



There is a problem with certain people on this board who repeat illfounded, incorrect and misleading information for their own ends. I am now beginning to wonder what the agenda of a certain group of people is, and what their alternative solution is.



What I have noticed is that when this group of people are asked a direct question about suggesting an alternative to policies they do not agree with, the question is either ignored, or it is the subject of more hate and venom.



I still await your answer to my original question.



Codger

the2ofus


Joined: 13/02/2008
Posts: 637

Message Posted:
21/07/2009 13:45

Catalkoykid -msg 11 - its nothing to do with the stick they are getting on here - they must be used to that by now its on here often enough ! Msg 17 - the vet dept in Lefcosia i believe has the "authority" to put dogs down but they rarely do and i believe (no doubt someone is sure to correct me if i am wrong) they issued a statement recently in connection with a Cyprus Today article saying they did not have anymore darts to kill the dogs.

Its a problem that is not going to be solved overnight by anyone - at least the Neuter and Release (which was fully explained on an earlier thread) helps to control the numbers. But with everything that KAR (and BARK who rarely get mentioned) are trying to do (educate/change policies/neuter/lobby/stop poisoning) change is happening but it is a slow process. Not helped by the negative attitudes they come across and also the"Cyprus" way of doing things - which we all have experience of and find frustrating and tedious at times.

I think its time the

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
21/07/2009 14:11

puppylover and Codger

I totally agree with both postings, I am beginning to think that certain posters have a secret agenda.

I would like to ask all of the KAR detractors:

1: Would you want KAR to close?

2: If yes to the above then tell me what you would do with all of the animals that are looked after at the centre.

3: If no and you would like to see a change in the way the centre is managed then put your names up for a place on the committee and have an active input.

Otherwise I suggest you shut up.

AJ

fire starter


Joined: 19/06/2008
Posts: 3401

Message Posted:
21/07/2009 14:15

does anyone know who i need to speak with, who updates the website poisoning alert?

i have a question for them.

the2ofus


Joined: 13/02/2008
Posts: 637

Message Posted:
21/07/2009 14:50

firestarter

Call their office 0533 8694098 (9-1 2-5 Mon - Fr) or email them kar@kyreniaanimalsrescue.org . All reported poison incidents are logged. The info is then passed onto their web designer. The person at the office should be able to help with any Q's or will pass you onto the right person.puppylover/codger/Alsancakjack - well said.No doubt rather than answer any reasoned Q's, or reply to reasoned points, another thread will be started under differant heading but with same agenda - slate KAR !

Do the anti KAR brigade have any idea on the impact of this continual barrage of malicious remarks (its not even constructive critisism) has on the volunteers !!! It is so demoralising for them - yet they are simply trying to help in any way they can - they are not responsible for policies - they are out there (collecting cats for N & R /helping at the centre/in the 2nd hand shop - etc) all doing their bit -for the animals.

It is pure nastiness by the same ones over and over.

puppylover



Joined: 05/05/2008
Posts: 1427

Message Posted:
21/07/2009 15:04

the2ofus



Good to know we are of the same opinion.



As you say malicious remarks are pure nastiness by the same posters.



If they were asked to take over the running of KAR for say 6 months...would they?

Very much doubt it.

Instead of working against people who are trying their hardest it would be more constructive to work with them.

Who would benefit? .....the animals that they claim to care about.

fiendishpaul


Joined: 18/05/2008
Posts: 1720

Message Posted:
21/07/2009 15:06

AJ, Pink, Puppylover, the2ofus et al.

At long last, the voices of reason.

As mentioned before, I am an UNPAID volunteer at KAR and was up there today. The staff there are mortified and extremely upset by the flak that has been directed at them over the weekend. Just yesterday half a dozen puppies were handed in and today another dog and a mum with 4 puppies were brought in - it never ends but the staff just get on with it. Who else would deal with these dogs if KAR were not there ?

For those who disagree with the way that KAR go about their business, that is your perogative, after all you have the right to exercise free speech. However, please double check your facts before posting and rather than just criticising for the sake of it, please offer a viable alternative. AJ hits the nail squarely on the head, if you want to see change, then take an active interest, go to the AGM, put yourself up for the Committee etc.

Regards Paul

fire starter


Joined: 19/06/2008
Posts: 3401

Message Posted:
21/07/2009 15:09

puppylover,

i though they would be working with kar on this fostering thing?

the2ofus,

thanks for the number.

Codger


Joined: 03/04/2009
Posts: 153

Message Posted:
21/07/2009 15:48

It would seem that certain people do not wish or cannot answer the questions put to them, but no doubt at some stage will continue spewing out there illinformed vitriolic rubbish again. Just to remind people of whom we are dealing with here.



Spooner stan said



'most of the top people in k.a.r. recieve salary so why should they not work hard'



Again I ask, where is the fact for this statement or is it yet again hearsay tittle tattle designed to undermine the subject organisation.



Over to you Spooner stan for your explanation



Codger

Codger


Joined: 03/04/2009
Posts: 153

Message Posted:
21/07/2009 16:00

Deepcyprus4



said



I am going to report KAR to the RSPCA seeing as they are supposed to be sponsored by them.!!!!!



What was the answer please when you contacted the RSPCA ? and did your check your facts before making that statement ? because if you had you would have found out that the RSPCA does not sponser KAR.



Was this another piece of hearsay tittle tattle ?



Still why let the truth get in the way of a good rant



Codger

Whistler


Joined: 28/07/2008
Posts: 1332

Message Posted:
21/07/2009 16:03

I wish I`d never opened this thread. My friend and neighbour took these poor souls to KAR this morning, there was obviously one more puppy than I thought. Like I said before, I dont agree with the system used but what is the alternative. Maybe someone will go to KAR, see them, and take them. Maybe not, but at least they will be free of ticks and wont have any more to go through the same as them. I dont wholly agree with their system but I dont have any facts so cannot comment. Where they were, they stood the chance of being run over by the lunatic drivers that go up and down this hill.

Codger


Joined: 03/04/2009
Posts: 153

Message Posted:
21/07/2009 16:54

To show what a bunch of fraudsters and purveyors of untruths the KAR knockers are



A Mr Vince message 25 of the Update on Lucky another of KAR rejects thread relates a story personal to themselves about dumping dogs from KAR behind Bells Foods.



On this thread message 14 is the identical story only this time it is catalkoykid who relates it as a personal story.



Any explanation catalkoykid or is it another case of malicious story telling?





My message 27 I apologise for the error in Gooner stans name there was no discredit intended



Codger

the2ofus


Joined: 13/02/2008
Posts: 637

Message Posted:
21/07/2009 17:34

whistler - your thread was a valid Q and you have done the right thing. Its just that certain people on this board see any mention of stray dog to hijack the thread and turn it into a nasty vindictive propaganda excercise against KAR and anyone who has any empathy for what KAR are trying to do.

Glad the Mum and pups are with KAR - as you say they stand more of a chance with them.

keithcaley



Joined: 13/06/2008
Posts: 2521

Message Posted:
21/07/2009 17:37

Codger,

Knowing Kevin's style of writing, I assumed that he was in fact simply quoting mrvince's narrative.

However, I can see that you and others might not realise that!

His habit of ignoring 'attribution' and 'punctuation' has got him into trouble before, but I don't think that there was any intention to deceive or mislead.

Incidentally, I'm NOT saying that I agree with him, just pointing out that not everyone is as punctillious about such things as us 'Old Codgers'!

Keith.

Codger


Joined: 03/04/2009
Posts: 153

Message Posted:
21/07/2009 18:19

It just seems strange to me that the KAR knockers have not answered any of the questions put to them. They seem very content to dish the lies and abuse out but shy away from the facts.



They are still at it on another thread dishing out their vitriolic venom.



Just a thought but these same persons are also involved in the setting up of the Fostering Programme, which I wish every success, but with these people on board I feel it is doomed as they will alienate a lot of people.



The organisers should perhaps keep them on a short lead, so to speak.



Codger

goonerstan



Joined: 14/04/2008
Posts: 397

Message Posted:
21/07/2009 20:17

codger re message 27, look at kar is there not a figure paid out for salarys? are the guy ,s cleaning out for the dogs not on a wage is the lady running the kennels not on a wage , so my comments about working hard i consider justified if you recieve salary, as i previous stated on another thread i sponsered my present dog for two years with kar costing me £500-00 ,i didnt have problem with that, but being asked for a re homeing fee i thought was just money grabbing, My wife worked in the shop for two years so dont ta;lk to me about tittle tattle, i no longer contribute to the k,a,r but i would still feed a stray dog , but than i know that my contribution will go to the animal

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
21/07/2009 20:18

Whistler,just like the Tread i started the other day,asking if someone could take in this little dumped puppy...I was also given the phone No.of KAR.and told they would collect him..Keith was kind enough to put up a photo.too in the hope of finding it a home....this was of no use either..then the Tread on update of Luck...at the end of the day....its all a little pointless....and yes it at times makes you wish you had not posted anything at ALL........years ago the older folk would drown most asp.at birth..I know for a fact my Farther one did.when a kat had unwanted kittens,although as children this was kept from us...For gods sake i have spend many many years giving the old,frail and dying people their last drop of water and a kiss to bless the goodbye.painful.yes Very....Very..and i for one agree with the drowning at birth that has been used for years and years...for unwanted animals.and i sure a hell do not like the thought of caged animals that suffer within the Zoo'of some country

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
21/07/2009 20:28

Cont...and to some degree this is what is going on up at Kar with the poor old dogs that have been living there for quita some time....I have worked withing old peoples homes where,these poor old dears.walk up and down.up and down all day long...like caged loved ones...given tender loving care...



So Yes i do agree with the drowning of these unwanted pups at birth..because what sort of like or hope do they have.i would love to know how maney each week are re-homed..and compare this to the number that are just left to live the street life..Oh so so much more.and more...but like yourself Whistler i too wish i had no posted.and my post was to find this poor pup a home..and again this gets no-where...and yes we most are all sick and tired of reading about the kAR THING....SO COME ALL GIVE IT A REST..!!! and get your heads around the only 2 ways to stop it all.Drown most,have the others done..Spider,X

fiendishpaul


Joined: 18/05/2008
Posts: 1720

Message Posted:
21/07/2009 23:34

I am sorry Spider but can you really be serious about the above post ? I am truly amazed.

Whilst I agree that there are dogs up at KAR who have been there a long time, they are healthy, have shelter, water are fed twice a day and are walked by volunteers and holidaymakers - they are happy with their lot. Dogs are also rehomed on a regular basis - 2 last week for example. Street dogs I am sure you will be suprised to hear are also rehomed on a fairly regular basis - in the past couple of months 2 have been rehomed (tags removed) and several have had people volunteer to feed and water them in their particular areas.

If you feel that drowning dogs is the way to solve the problem then that is your right - are YOU going to do the drowning ??? If not, WHO will ??

Whilst not ideal, the Neuter and Return policy is still the only viable solution that I have seen to bring down dog numbers in the TRNC - In my humble opinion.

Regards

Paul

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
21/07/2009 23:49

Paul yes i am...and if you think even Dr.are having to do it,day in day out with unwanted pregnancies.So please dont sound so shocked..Give KAR a break...lets go onto the unwanted pregnancies topic then..Because thats what these dogs are..and the sooner it was put a stop to,Then perhaps we would see more of the likes of dog breading here,and selling...so then whoever wanted a dog would go buy one...Shure as hell would put an end to all this KAR....and the strays and street dogs thing...nothing caged can be happy.you try sitting in one for a month....you would sure a hell not last a week in this bloody heat..oh and dont forget to put your winter coat on...or perhaps you would rather shave your head....you try it for 1 month and yes i would try to drown.....all free,thats called time and effort..even donations in kind...lets also raise money for KAR with this one...we can come see you,at a charge all caged up...Yah...happy with their LOT.. )) !!! &*@?%$=/

Spider,X

fiendishpaul


Joined: 18/05/2008
Posts: 1720

Message Posted:
22/07/2009 10:51

Sorry Spider but I think that you have lost the plot.

How can you compare aborting a fetus with the drowning of a young animal (I nearly drowned as a boy and recall it as probably the most terrifying episode in my life). As to whether you would be capable of doing the deed, I personally have my doubts, after all, from reading your previous posts you appear to have been hugely distressed by the plight of Mr Lucky, so could you really hold a struggling puppy underwater until every last breath had left its body ?? I have recently retired following a 28 year career in the Royal Marines during which I have seen and done some rather unpleasant things and I know that I would not be able to do it !! If you want to euthanise, at least do it humanely.

The vast majority of unwanted puppies come about as a result of locals refusing to have their animals neutered and leaving them to have batch after batch of puppies - this is where the pressure should be brought to bear. Continued

Codger


Joined: 03/04/2009
Posts: 153

Message Posted:
22/07/2009 11:03

Gooner Stan



Thank you for your reply and I note you are the only one to do so.



However the gist of the question was about facts and not maybe's and is she. You still answer the question with a maybe the top one is on a wage but I am not sure. Remember you stated:



'most of the top people in k.a.r. recieve salary so why should they not work hard'



If you post items about a person or an organisation it should be factual, if you are not sure it is in everyones interest not to comment on the subject.

Yes there are people who are paid a wage at KAR and it will be easy for you to find out who and by how much by looking at the accounts, when you have these facts your comments will be welcome.



Codger

fiendishpaul


Joined: 18/05/2008
Posts: 1720

Message Posted:
22/07/2009 11:07

Finally, with regard to the dogs up at KAR centre. I, along with every other volunteer/member at KAR would be delighted if every animal was rehomed and silence reigned under 5 Finger Mountain. However we do not live in a Utopian society and unfortunately people choose to abandon animals (dogs and cats) on a regular basis. I don't know how long it is since you last visited KAR, but I am sure that if you headed up there you would find that conditions are not as bad as you expected/imagine.

Again I must emphasise that the animals are well looked after, have plenty of shade (some even have there own individual parasols), and are fed twice a day. The vast majority live in compounds, where there is plenty of room to move about. Should an animal become ill, it is given immediate veterinary treatment, a luxury that many dogs in the TRNC do not get.

I am sorry that you do not agree with KAR practices, but until there is a change in TRNC society I see no other option.

Regards

Paul

puppylover



Joined: 05/05/2008
Posts: 1427

Message Posted:
22/07/2009 11:48

Paul



I for one have the utmost respect for anyone who works for KAR paid or not.

I think what some of the anti KAR brigade seem to forget is that those working hard to make life better for our four legged friends do so day in day out in some times extreme heat.

At the end of the day they could be like most people...stay at home, laze by the pool etc but they don't.

Very easy to knock people doing their best under limited resources but as I have stated in a previous post let the people slating KAR go and have a go at running KAR for at least 6 months and then come back and post how easy it is.





As for people drowning puppies....I certainly couldn't and I don't know many others that could/would either.

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
22/07/2009 11:51

Sure all hell i could not either.but even more sure that some people could,and perhaps even do,all over the world....



Spider,X

goonerstan



Joined: 14/04/2008
Posts: 397

Message Posted:
22/07/2009 11:55

codger, message40,



in previous post the question was that that the people in k.a.r work very hard, my comment was if your paid to do a job than why should you not work hard, there being paid, if you read and understand my comments i dont name any person,s and what im saying is factual, as you have stated yourself THEY GET PAID

Codger


Joined: 03/04/2009
Posts: 153

Message Posted:
22/07/2009 15:30

Goonerstan



Please, you wrote ' MOST OF THE TOP PEOPLE IN KAR RECEIVE SALARY '



Where is your justification for this statement ?

It is acknowledged that some people get paid but they are the full time kennel maids, cleaners etc who do work hard but are hardly the top people, in no way do I demean their work as what they do is vital for the animals in their keep.



KAR has been slated, slagged off, and demonised by a small group of people and I feel that those persons should justify what they have written with facts and evidence of the wrongdoing, malpractices and money grabbing that they have accused KAR of.



Before it is asked, I am not connected to KAR nor am I related to any person who has connections with KAR. I am just a person who thinks KAR do a necessary and thankless task and they do it well.



Codger

the2ofus


Joined: 13/02/2008
Posts: 637

Message Posted:
22/07/2009 16:07

goonerstan - if you sponsored your dog for 2 years (msg 34) it would cost you £240 - it is £10 per month so 2 years = 24 months total is £240. Not sure where/why you paid double that and £20 on top - was it just the 1 dog as your post reads ????

Codger - you are wasting your breath - the recent responses/ramblings by spider are an indication of the sort of sad people who enjoy such nasty vinddicative discussions - its the only way they know ! Its like they belong to a little club whereby they can all decide they are right because no one is allowed into the club who disagrees or Q's anything they say. It makes them feel part of something - like they belong - makes them feel important !!!. They do not like being challenged - as one of their little click (deecyprus4) frequently says "how dare you ".

goonerstan



Joined: 14/04/2008
Posts: 397

Message Posted:
22/07/2009 16:25

message 46 , no it was for two dogs ,have kept betty boo but gargoyle had to return to kar. So you consider were all sad people for dareing to speak our opion,s if you read and understand spiders so called ramblings you will see he was asking for help , am i to believe that margret ray does not recieve a salary , does not the girl that runs the office get a salary cos if not tell me the secret how do they live

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
22/07/2009 17:08

PLEASE NOTE the2ofus...at NO POINT..have i ever put the work of kAR and the people who work paid or free DOWN..,I have said time and time again,,I TAKE MY HAT OFF TO THEM...so please get that..its people like you that keep the damb thing going now lets all give this one a bloody good REST..and please dont bring me into anything in future..I was looking for a home for this poor pup..and a waist of time that was...and you would much prefer it to be on the streets with the big 'P' So.please give it a rest..thankyou..now good day.Also i rent my place..and have no intentions of keeping any further dogs you may feel like dumping in this area..and you know your dumping grounds..





Spider,X

fiendishpaul


Joined: 18/05/2008
Posts: 1720

Message Posted:
22/07/2009 17:31

Hi Goonerstan

I note from your profile that like me, you are retired. I assume from that information that you do not work so therefore what is the secret of how you live ? I would assume that like me, you receive a pension and maybe combine this with interest earned on savings in order to live ? What is to say that the Office Manager and Margaret Ray do not do the same ?

To try and answer your question, I can confirm that the Office Manager receives a salary and having seen her hard at work, I can also vouch that whatever she gets paid, she more than earns. I cannot tell you if Margarety Ray receives a salary or not, however even if she does, what is your problem with that ??? She does a huge amount of work as Chairwoman.

Rather than besmirch these people with veiled suggestions that they are only 'in it for the money', why not applaud them for the contribution that they and all the other volunteers make.

Regards

Paul

spider


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Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
22/07/2009 17:37

Dear Paul and the2ofus....please advise me on how to remove this ear tag,now that Lucky is no longer a street dog..yet another one added to our collection..as my other 2 have never had one..thanking you both..



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fiendishpaul


Joined: 18/05/2008
Posts: 1720

Message Posted:
22/07/2009 18:00

Spider

If you want to home Lucky then you will need to ring KAR to take ownership, as by tagging him KAR have responsibility for his wellbeing. As I have said before, as a tagged street dog, KAR has a 'duty of care' for Lucky and should anyone find him ill or malnourished, then KAR would come and pick him up immediately and get him treated. My understanding is that by having his tag removed, you will be taking full ownership and will be wholly liable for any vets fees etc. I know that you do not agree with this and I really, really do not want to start this whole subject off again, I am just letting you know what I believe the consequences of this action will be.

A phone call to KAR will get you the information that you require.

Regards

Paul

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
22/07/2009 19:04

Oh paul...You have no idea i guess...Please look up the Tread Chelsea needs a good home.take a good read.....

and please do not forget Our Lucy.and it seems that LucKy has chosen us....well,well, well, Vet bills yes..

Chealse had had a bad food of late.all strapped up.for weeks.and Lucy had a liver infection.due the perhaps a little of the big,'P''..are you saying that just because thses dogs were not of the RED ear bregade we were responsible for the Vet bills.well i never.!!! and the bill was as long as your ARM..!!!! so it seems that Lucky has chosen us..and Vet bill as well...no news to me.!! my Question was who and how takes the silly thing out..it has a home,and please feel very very free.also the2ofus.....to visit sometime..mabe with a doggy Bag..as if. )) Rrgard and thanks for you help..



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goonerstan



Joined: 14/04/2008
Posts: 397

Message Posted:
22/07/2009 19:55

hi paul, i only responded to a question about the hard work done by k.a.r , and as previously stated they get paid so whats the problem of working hard, as for saying rather then bemirch these people with veiled suggestion,s that was certainly not my intention, nor is it to give any bad publicity to k.a.r, they are, by there recent actions or( non action) quite capably of doing that themselves, i will not responed to any more on this thread, im very disillusioned with k.a.r and will find other outlets for my spare cash

Codger


Joined: 03/04/2009
Posts: 153

Message Posted:
22/07/2009 20:07

Spider



You keep ranting on about how good you are because you already have two dogs and and now you have three. Do you think that you are someone special and therefore everybody else must rally round special you and give help.

For your information the three houses nearest to mine have thirteen dogs between them ( 13 ) eleven of which are rescued dogs and that does not include my little family of rescued dogs. None of us come on here bleating about how wonderful we are and what are other people going to give us, we simply get on with it, after all it was our choice the same as you.

There are no doubt many other people who have two or more dogs so I suggest you now stop your moaning or at least confine it to the self congratulatory back slapping clique you belong to.



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simbas



Joined: 16/07/2007
Posts: 5943

Message Posted:
22/07/2009 20:14

Is there really any need to be so unpleasant Codger ?

goonerstan



Joined: 14/04/2008
Posts: 397

Message Posted:
22/07/2009 20:19

simbas, yellow card please

Codger


Joined: 03/04/2009
Posts: 153

Message Posted:
22/07/2009 20:21

Simbas



Where have you been when these people have been hurling insults and vile insinuations around, I suggest you read some of their posts to see exactly what being unpleasant is all about. Compared to their posts I am being very polite and truthful.



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simbas



Joined: 16/07/2007
Posts: 5943

Message Posted:
22/07/2009 20:28

In place Goonerstan

Codger


Joined: 03/04/2009
Posts: 153

Message Posted:
22/07/2009 20:32

Well there is a surprise



Gooner stan asking for me to be banned, don't suppose he being one of the KAR vilifies has anything to do with it? Proves what vindictive people we are dealing with, they will not tolerate any views except their own and if you dare to question them they ask for you to silence them.



Codger

Codger


Joined: 03/04/2009
Posts: 153

Message Posted:
22/07/2009 20:37

Simbas



Are you saying you are banning me for telling the truth and yet you have stood by whilst KAR has been the subject of a vile and untruthful campaign and remained silent ?



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simbas



Joined: 16/07/2007
Posts: 5943

Message Posted:
22/07/2009 20:38

Hi Codger , forgive me ! to which message do you refer ? i have trawled through but i must have missed it .

Simbas

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
22/07/2009 20:46

This thread is now closed. Reason: Thread was addressed and no need for further posts.

simbas



Joined: 16/07/2007
Posts: 5943

Message Posted:
22/07/2009 20:48

Calm down Codger , Where did that come from ? , nobody is talking of banning anyone .

Simbas

Codger


Joined: 03/04/2009
Posts: 153

Message Posted:
22/07/2009 20:48

Simbas

I will have to reply in the morning with a list of the messages as it will take a bit of time to dig them out, but you could start with reading the thread about Lucky another reject from KAR on which you will find some really unpleasant messages.



Codger