UK National Lottery - Not able to play online while abroad!

michelle3012


Joined: 07/11/2008
Posts: 578

Message Posted:
23/07/2009 10:41

It has come to my attention that it is not possible for a person outside the UK to play the UK lottery, as they wont pay out any winnings! Was anyone else aware of this?



Can I play while overseas?

Please remember, you need to be a resident of the UK or Isle of Man at all times when you play UK National Lottery games through your interactive Account.



In countries outside of the UK and Isle of Man, local laws often prevent the sale or purchase of tickets for any overseas lottery. To protect players and the UK National Lottery, the National Lottery Rules and Terms and Conditions prohibit people from playing online in any country where it is unlawful to do so. Lawfulness will vary from country to country and, possibly, from time to time. This also means that, under local laws and National Lottery rules, we would not be able to pay out any prize in these circumstances.



Therefore, we would advise players to assume that it is unlawful to purchase a ticket whilst abroad, and to only

michelle3012


Joined: 07/11/2008
Posts: 578

Message Posted:
23/07/2009 10:42

'cont, and to only buy their tickets whilst located in the UK or Isle of Man. We would therefore advise you only to buy your tickets online when you are actually located in the UK or the Isle of Man. This also applies when playing by text and through Sky Active.

Harold2555



Joined: 19/04/2008
Posts: 1139

Message Posted:
23/07/2009 10:46

Michelle



The restriction is applied to people not resident in the UK. This is a legal term and does not cover people temporarily outside the UK. There is no written definitionof resident as far as I am aware (certainly there isn't for tax purposes) but to be on the safe side play online before ye go if on holiday or have a uk residence address as backup in case it's you.



Furthermore you should respect the local laws on Gambling wherever you are resident (Not a clue what these are in TRNC)



Good luck any way





Harold

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
23/07/2009 10:48

msg 1



If you ARE UK resident, then one can use a UK VPN ( virtual private network) and - like the BBC iplayer , etc., you will BE in the UK..

michelle3012


Joined: 07/11/2008
Posts: 578

Message Posted:
23/07/2009 10:51

The reason i have put this on here is because my neighbour rang them about changing his email address....etc, and the woman he spoke to knew by his IP address (i think) that he was in Cyprus and therefore was NOT entiled to play online, and/or if he had won he would NOT be able to claim!!!! Good job he wasnt ringing to claim the 'Jackpot'!!

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
23/07/2009 10:53

Was there not an Ad for the lotto of a rather over weight gentleman surrounded by a few dolly birds on his luxury gin palace situated somewhere in the Med playing the lotto on his laptop?



Richard

michelle3012


Joined: 07/11/2008
Posts: 578

Message Posted:
23/07/2009 10:53

mmmmmmmmm



How do you get one of those then, sorry not very technical when it comes to computers! LOL

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
23/07/2009 10:53

re msg 5



TR/ CY IP address when online in Cyprus



read msg 4 !

michelle3012


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Posts: 578

Message Posted:
23/07/2009 10:56

Hang on, you are talking to a cumputer idiot here, i dont understand you message 4, can you explain how you get one etc!!!?

mmmmmm



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Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
23/07/2009 14:33

Dear Michelle



re 9



Do a search for "UK TV Abroad" in Google lot's to choose from .. I happen to supply them, too but when you've tried the rest ;)

scoobydoo


Joined: 10/11/2008
Posts: 2434

Message Posted:
23/07/2009 14:40

We received an email stating that we could not play the UK lottery, even if we were on holiday from outside the UK. We could, if we were in the UK, buy 'x' number of weeks lottery before we left if we wanted to.



I now get my mum to do it for me from her computer and top up her account, so no problems for when I win the 'big one'

mmmmmm



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Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
23/07/2009 15:13

Dear Scoobydoo



You have to make sure your Mum is the winner and not you - if you aren't UK resident !

scoobydoo


Joined: 10/11/2008
Posts: 2434

Message Posted:
24/07/2009 13:37

6 x m's



She will be but I trust her implicity!!!

suntanman



Joined: 18/04/2007
Posts: 721

Message Posted:
08/08/2009 20:27

http://news.aol.co.uk/clarity-call-on-lotto-foreign-ban/article/20090808052549264418551

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
08/08/2009 21:00

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm So knowledgeable once again! Nothing to do with residency but whether or not on holiday O.S. !!



Richard

mmmmmm



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Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
10/08/2009 20:05

Hi Richard



As I said, if you "appear" like you are in the UK - via a VPN - no problem - the important thing is official UK residency.



If you are using a secure VPN how would Spain / USA *KNOW* ? ;)

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
10/08/2009 20:49

I'm a little confused Richard, does your computer know if you are on holiday as opposed to being a resident, I need the software for that if its free because I have paid for a VPN that is probably Similar to Marks product and that works perfectly but if I had known that I just need to tell the computer that I am only on holiday I could have saved the money and bought more lottery tickets.



Just for info if any one is that addicted to playing the lottery, I believe the Euro lottery is open to all at least it used to be, I haven't played for quite some time.

throstle


Joined: 26/05/2008
Posts: 85

Message Posted:
11/08/2009 00:44

The problem Camelot identified was in certain countries (ie Spain & USA for example) you cannot play the lottery on-line, you must buy in person

Therefore if you purchase a UK lottery ticket on-line whilst in these countries you would not be allowed to collect your winnings

Camelot evidently can tell where you purchase on-line from !!!!!!!!



Throstle4eva

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
11/08/2009 00:49

Msg 18



If so, is the £1 returned for an invalid 'bet'?



Richard

Whistler


Joined: 28/07/2008
Posts: 1332

Message Posted:
11/08/2009 09:36

Is it only for the jackpot they wont pay out? i have had several small wins and the money has been paid into my account automatically and they send me an e-mail to let me know I`ve won.

loulou



Joined: 14/05/2008
Posts: 785

Message Posted:
11/08/2009 10:19

not had a problem do the lotery every week

won a tenner saterday and £42 on last friday payed straight into my a/c

michelle3012


Joined: 07/11/2008
Posts: 578

Message Posted:
11/08/2009 11:25

I have emailed Camelot and asked Which COUNTRIES you CAN play the Lottery in and this is there response:



Dear Sir/Madam,



Thank you for your Email dated 11 August 2009.



To play the National Lottery online, you must be a resident of the UK or Isle of Man. When players register to play National Lottery Games online, they agree to comply with the Games Rules and Terms and Conditions. If your circumstances change (for example, you move overseas), under the Rules you are required to inform us – just as you would, for example, notify your insurance company or bank.



It is also important to remember that in, many countries, it is unlawful for anyone to purchase a lottery ticket (and therefore be paid a prize) for any overseas lottery – including the UK National Lottery – which is not authorised there.

michelle3012


Joined: 07/11/2008
Posts: 578

Message Posted:
11/08/2009 11:26

If you are travelling overseas for a short period, you can purchase tickets in advance (eight weeks for Lotto, Lotto HotPicks and Thunderball, four weeks for EuroMillions and one week for Daily Play). Alternatively you can play the UK National Lottery with friends and colleagues as part of a syndicate whose Syndicate Manager is located and is playing in the UK. We provide a Syndicate Manager tool at http://www.national-lottery.co.uk for anyone wishing to set up a syndicate.



I trust that this has clarified the situation for you.



Yours faithfully



Selby Duffield

National Lottery Customer Care Team

cyprusunited


Joined: 03/08/2009
Posts: 184

Message Posted:
19/10/2009 23:53

re msg 10

"Dear Michelle



Do a search for "UK TV Abroad" in Google lot's to choose from .. I happen to supply them, too but when you've tried the rest"



This is spam!Advertising a VPN to induce somebody to pay 50 pounds to access a lottery that will never be won.

People beware.

cyprusunited


Joined: 03/08/2009
Posts: 184

Message Posted:
20/10/2009 00:11

I´m waiting for Mark lawyers knocking at the door.

Their salary must be paid by the profit margin of his vpn.

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
20/10/2009 00:12

So what is the difference between domicile and resident? Given that TRNC doesn't exist so have to be somewhere, but where? The only acknowledgment and truth is that we are all in limbo, we either exist or not! We are all phantoms!



Richard

cyprusunited


Joined: 03/08/2009
Posts: 184

Message Posted:
20/10/2009 00:20

Hi Richard.



TRNC is not recognized as being part of the EU,but I don´t think there are doubts about its existance.

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
20/10/2009 00:48

Oh Richard we are in Limbo. I always wondered where that place was. Now I know that when I die I wont go to Limbo straight to heaven for me now xxxxxxx

cyprusunited


Joined: 03/08/2009
Posts: 184

Message Posted:
20/10/2009 02:10

Mark have you turned fifty yet?

In your profile it says 50.

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
20/10/2009 06:43

Dear 'Carl from Paphos'



Yes, I'm 50, now, as is Alex in a few weeks and MY VERY expensive VPN costs 19.99/ month... still polluting threads with fibs....



Do you need to know how old the advocate is?

cyprusunited


Joined: 03/08/2009
Posts: 184

Message Posted:
21/10/2009 04:37

I asked because your profile is not updated,as there is a quote saying you´re not 50 yet.



I said 50 pounds referring to your VPN price because there is a two months minimum contract plus a set up fee.

So in total it is: two months at 20 pounds each plus 10 pounds setup fee equals 50 pounds.

That is the minimum amount a person has to pay to subscribe to your VERY expensive VPN.

cyprusairsoft



Joined: 22/06/2009
Posts: 2066

Message Posted:
21/10/2009 12:51

you can play euro lottery on line here and join syndicate we did won 300 quid already and it was paid pronto

cyprusunited


Joined: 03/08/2009
Posts: 184

Message Posted:
02/11/2009 05:57

Where is Mark?

Has anybody heard from him recently?

Maybe he is on holiday.

keyholekate


Joined: 08/05/2009
Posts: 81

Message Posted:
02/11/2009 14:52

We usually spend 3 months in Northern Cyprus and have got round the problem of buying lottery tickets by setting up a Direct Debit payment through the Bank. It saves a lot of hassle.

fatty123


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 39

Message Posted:
02/11/2009 15:08

i brought a lottery ticket while in north cyprus online and won £70 which they paid out

cyprusian


Joined: 01/12/2009
Posts: 2

Message Posted:
01/12/2009 21:08

Hi All



I play online in 3 lottery syndicates when I'm in Uk, Cyprus or anywhere else.. at far better odds too, check out http://www.stacktheodds.net maybe this will solve the problem?



cheers!



ian

Maz


Joined: 29/03/2009
Posts: 1924

Message Posted:
02/12/2009 00:03

I found that my credit card is unacceptable if I try to play on line, so, my step son gets a ticket for me, and I have promised him 10% when I win (more than the usual £8 I get on Euro millions!), and I shall rush over to U.K to collect the money if it is THE big one.

He collects the small amounts and puts it towards the outlay - except I am always owing him oney.

But as they say 'you have to be in it to win it.'

This applies to both U.K Lottery and Euro Millions.

One can actually play on line from here on various other sites, but you pay through thenose for it.

So, find someone you can trust in U.K.

Corbo



Joined: 13/09/2009
Posts: 627

Message Posted:
02/12/2009 07:19

and I cannot use Betfair on line here..not fair! Probably for the best I suppose. The INTERNET is far from this free communication device in cyber space that it was originally intended for, like everything it is controlled by Governments world wide.

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
02/12/2009 11:43

Solution to those without UK bank accounts/ cards and no access



1/ Get a UK based prepay credit card.. sent to the address of a relative with the same surname



2/ get a UK vpn ( virtual private network)



If you win BIG.. fly home - QUICK - and register on the electoral register.

Seb56


Joined: 28/05/2010
Posts: 1

Message Posted:
28/05/2010 23:37

Why not play with a UK syndicate company. They are resident in UK, they buy the ticket on your behalf they pay out the winnings into you account.



I'm in the British Army and move countires every 2 years, and after my sunny tour on the Island I'm now in Germany.



I play in two seperate syndicates one for Euromillions and one for the UK Lotto through the UK site http://www.WinningLotteryTips.co.uk Simple's!

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
29/05/2010 00:06

Mark,



If you win big fly back and buy a stoating great mansion to claim from! Don't claim immediately, you've got ages to claim the lollly so wait until you've moved in properly.

tarry67


Joined: 16/05/2008
Posts: 1053

Message Posted:
29/05/2010 09:44

I do the lottery online from the trnc and have no problems, if I win it goes into my account. I have a uk VPN address which costs £5 pm with a company called "My Private Network" it is good and I can also do horse racing bets in the uk.

keyholekate


Joined: 08/05/2009
Posts: 81

Message Posted:
29/05/2010 10:45

We spend 3 months twice a year in N.Cyprus so we have set up a direct debit in the UK which means our tickets are automatically purchased there. It certainly works with small, £10 wins; we have been notified on a couple of occasions that the winnings have been paid into our account.

juliamoons



Joined: 14/05/2009
Posts: 849

Message Posted:
29/05/2010 11:52

If one of the big prizes comes up, you will be checked out to see if you are resident in the UK. They will not pay out if you are not resident no matter what VPN you use. Any large prize and you will be checked out. Having a UK address and bank account does not constitute residency.

gooligan


Joined: 30/01/2007
Posts: 1591

Message Posted:
20/10/2010 22:02

New rules,explained here.



Please note that from 13th December 2010 we will be making some changes to our Terms and Conditions and Rules.



Summary of upcoming changes:



As well as being a UK or Isle of Man resident, to play National Lottery games online or by text you must be physically located in the UK or Isle of Man when buying a ticket.



If you play by Direct Debit, you must be physically located in the UK or Isle of Man when setting up your Direct Debit Account and also when making amendments to it, including buying additional tickets, or changing your numbers or payment details. As long as you only make these changes while you are physically located in the UK or Isle of Man, your tickets will be valid if you travel overseas.



If you do not meet these requirements, any ticket purchases you make will be invalid and no prizes paid, and we will have the right to reclaim any prizes already paid under these circumstances.

LooseBoots



Joined: 08/02/2009
Posts: 1258

Message Posted:
04/03/2011 09:26

I see from an advert on facebook there is a website called Lottery -Millions.co.uk and they place your ticket for you via there staff. Cost of 1 line is £1.95 plus they keep 5% of your winnings.



There do the same for the Euro Lottery .



I know it sounds naive to ask as you have to give them your bank details to pay for your ticket...............



Just wondered if it was a genuine site for those of us that don`t have a UK address.

silentbutdim


Joined: 07/09/2010
Posts: 121

Message Posted:
04/03/2011 11:33

I enter on line and pay my ticket charge.

I won £10 last week and they credited my account with the winnings

swyflot


Joined: 07/11/2008
Posts: 916

Message Posted:
04/03/2011 12:30

Some two years ago BFPS Radio warned all service personell serving overseas that they could not play the UK national lottery while serving overseas

yenibob


Joined: 13/10/2010
Posts: 1203

Message Posted:
04/03/2011 12:38

Silentbut Dim. They won't check for a tenner. How are you going to feel if you win a big prize and they do check?



Get family in the UK to play for you, much safer.

R.C.T.Man.



Joined: 27/03/2009
Posts: 746

Message Posted:
04/03/2011 12:58

Swyflot , sorry mate it is

B.F.B.S British Forces Broadcasting Services.

LooseBoots



Joined: 08/02/2009
Posts: 1258

Message Posted:
05/03/2011 13:31

Can anyone answer msg 46?

silentbutdim


Joined: 07/09/2010
Posts: 121

Message Posted:
05/03/2011 16:47

Surely if they pay me £10 gb p winnings into my account, then the precedent is set to pay any other winnings. The bet haS BEEN ACCEPTED AND THEY PAID OUT. The amount of winnings should not have any bearing on this,

steveafc


Joined: 12/12/2008
Posts: 405

Message Posted:
05/03/2011 19:07

you need a uk bank account and a uk address...............end of.

anything else is a lie...........or from russia

bazilbrush


Joined: 29/03/2008
Posts: 404

Message Posted:
05/03/2011 21:08

I use My Private Network for the VPN IP address and cosst £5pm and it works great.

mmmmmm



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Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
06/03/2011 09:05

I would suggest members who aren't UK residents and using VPNs ( paid for - or not) to be in the lottery refrain from announcing it ... [ back to coffee reading icon]

amitant


Joined: 16/05/2011
Posts: 3

Message Posted:
16/05/2011 17:51

I have found a way to play the UK and Euromillions lotteries whilst overseas. I use a company called Lottery-Millions. They are based in the UK and act as a broker or middle man. It's easy to open an account with them and it costs nothing. You choose your numbers on their site as you would if you were buying online from the official Lottery site. They then buy your UK or Euromillions Lottery tickets on your behalf within the UK. They do charge a fee for this of .95p per ticket but this is the only way you can play the lotteries whilst abroad. I have had several small wins and my account has always been credited immediately with my winnings.



If you like playing the lottery as I do they are definitely worth checking out at http://www.lottery-millions.co.uk .

andypow


Joined: 28/03/2011
Posts: 9

Message Posted:
17/05/2011 21:55

I've had this conversation in an expat bar in every country I have lived since the mid 90's. And it isn't complicated.



A group of expats meet in a bar every Friday night to pay their 'subs' or lottery, just like syndicates do week in week out in the UK. (for this example we'll say 20 players) One of the 20 is responsible for collecting the money. In the UK one of the members or syndicate who must be resident, buys 20 numbers online at the national lottery site. He or she trusts that they are paid for 20 tickets/are paid up front or as per the syndicate agreement (mentioned below) are paid within say 7 days. Every member is given the login details/password of the account and can check the numbers (if lucky dips etc) or to make sure the tickets have been purchased.



In the event of a win the person in the UK who purchased the tickets online is paid by camelot not the syndicate. This applies to every syndicate in the UK. Camelot are not interested if the other 19 are in the TRNC. con

andypow


Joined: 28/03/2011
Posts: 9

Message Posted:
17/05/2011 22:08

tinued

The syndicate leader who collects the winnings are bound by your 'syndicate agreement' which states; in the event of a win the syndicate asks for no publicity, no syndicate members names to be released. (you also check the 'no publicity when buying). I was there when 16 each won £49K, only 2 lived in the UK, no problems. You do not need to download any fancy agreements, just on a piece of paper the following: Date of agreement, names of members, how the numbers are selected, how the syndicate leader is paid, how much each person will recieve (i.e 1/20th), no publicity in the event of a win, syndicate managers' name.



It's also a great excuse for nipping to the bar and becomes a good social hour. And if you do not have a syndicate agreement and win your winnings you will be liable for inheritance tax

andypow


Joined: 28/03/2011
Posts: 9

Message Posted:
17/05/2011 22:25

oh forgot, lottery-millions is exactly the same thing as above, but a rip-off, if you notice on their site it will say ''purchased by our own uk personel'' (a syndicate member with you) I'm more than happy to do it for less than 95p per ticket!

amitant


Joined: 16/05/2011
Posts: 3

Message Posted:
23/05/2011 19:56

The service provided by Lottery-Millions is nothing like having a syndiacte with the manager in the UK. If you buy tickets through Lottery-Millions and win you do not have to share the spoils with 10 or 20 other people in a syndicate. Plus trying to organise a syndicate can be a nightmare with people not always paying their fees etc. Lottery-Millions provide a good personal service that a syndicate cannot offer. It's just like buying tickets from within the UK. Agreed their is a cost involved but what business is going to work for nothing!

amitant


Joined: 16/05/2011
Posts: 3

Message Posted:
24/05/2011 14:45

The service provided by Lottery-Millions is nothing like having a syndiacte with the manager in the UK. If you buy tickets through Lottery-Millions and win you do not have to share the spoils with 10 or 20 other people in a syndicate. Plus trying to organise a syndicate can be a nightmare with people not always paying their fees etc. Lottery-Millions provide a good personal service that a syndicate cannot offer. It's just like buying tickets from within the UK. Agreed their is a cost involved but what business is going to work for nothing!