A very interesting article regarding Turkey

newlad



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Message Posted:
25/07/2009 12:10

http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=R&sa=T&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.economist.com%2Fworld%2Feurope%2Fdisplaystory.cfm%3Fstory_id%3D14098427&usg=AFQjCNHbjuT1RgIvqInlJ2btM0hBbYu-CA



Worth a read all,

Paul.

newlad



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Message Posted:
25/07/2009 12:39

Back to personal messages then they seem to get more hits,

Paul.

newlad



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Message Posted:
25/07/2009 12:42

Just realised the heading should say,a very interesting read regarding Turkey.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
25/07/2009 21:18

)) Paul, it IS a good article.. thanks for posting it !

yorgozlu



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Message Posted:
26/07/2009 00:23

It is a good article,but I wouldnt say they are new either.



Nonetheless,good to find something readable on forum

Thanks

AlsancakJack



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Message Posted:
26/07/2009 03:20

So who holds the best cards?

yorgozlu



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Message Posted:
26/07/2009 09:21

I think "politicaly"it would have to be Turkey AJ

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
26/07/2009 09:49

>>So who holds the best cards?<<



Turkey. of course..



Noone doubts that, but that STILL doesn't mean it can attempt to tell the EU it can do as it pleases !

yorgozlu



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Message Posted:
26/07/2009 10:43

dear mmmmmm



I would disagree with you on that



Yes,Turkey can attempt to do as it pleases,because Turkey is not an EU member.EU,would like or dislike their attempts is another matter.



Personaly,I beleive ,Turkey's behaveour would be one of main reasons of their acceptence in EU,which I also beleive is inevitable



But of course those are my own opinions

(if you dont want me,I'll go where I'm wanted..........kind of attitude???)

milti2


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Message Posted:
27/07/2009 09:49

Mess 9

"Personaly,I beleive ,Turkey's behaveour would be one of main reasons of their acceptence in EU""



For as long as Turkey refuses to recognise the RoC and comply with EU directives on opening her ports to Cypriot shipping , Turkey will remain outside the EU.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
27/07/2009 11:31

Dear Milti2



>>For as long as Turkey refuses to recognise the RoC and comply with EU directives on opening her ports to Cypriot shipping , Turkey will remain outside the EU.<<



I think you and I both know that this is only one of a few criteria that TR is lagging behind on..



The RoC should keep "quiet" as IF TR doesn't join, - the only "lever" it would have was the ECHR.



re msg 9, Yorgozlu



>>Personaly,I beleive ,Turkey's behaveour would be one of main reasons of their acceptence in EU,which I also beleive is inevitable <<



Really?! .. it's behavior plays straight into France, etc., ( the detractors) hands...



It's not just the non compliance with the Ankara Accord

newlad



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Message Posted:
27/07/2009 11:46

Fair point Mark,just wonder how long they (Turkey) will play the mind games with the E.U. before they make their decision on which way they will jump,politically,

Paul.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
27/07/2009 11:50

Hi Paul



re msg 12



You assume that TR will decide..;)

newlad



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Message Posted:
27/07/2009 12:32

Mark,

Are you saying that they dont have a choice and will definitely join the E.U. What about their sparring partners the French and Germans,

Paul.

milti2


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Message Posted:
27/07/2009 12:59

mmmmm , you posts , that I have been following throughout my enforced absence , are very wise , accurate and unbiased . I fully support Turkeys entry into the EU , I believe that this will help not only Cyprus but the entire region , I'm also aware of the mammoth task that Turkey faces in meeting the criteria that has been set down by the EU , criteria that all other member nations had to meet.



The Cyprus issue is a major obstacle that Turkey will first have to deal with and sooner rather than later she will have to realize that the entire world can not be wrong as regards her continued occupation of a part of Cyprus.

yorgozlu



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Message Posted:
27/07/2009 13:22

dear milti2

re msg 10

As a Cypriot I dont recognise "RoC" never mind 80 million populated massive Turkey



re msg 15

occupation=protection?????



One might need to think and study little more!!!!!!





perhaps!

milti2


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Message Posted:
27/07/2009 13:36

Yorgozlu , 60 thousand T/C holders of the RoC passport and the RoC ID surely do so.Besides , the entire world does recognize the RoC ! The EU that Turkey aspires to join considers Cyprus as a part of the EU in every sense and ...strangely enough RECOGNIZES the RoC . They , the international organizations , the UN and all other legally enacted worldwide organizations are wrong !!! Only Turkey who occupies a part of Cyprus is correct !!!

A nation that took three monhts to reach a decision whether wearing a head scarf is legal or not !

ROBnJO


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Message Posted:
27/07/2009 13:41

Personally, I think the TR (&TRNC) have a number of clubs they could join, or stay independant.



The GR (&ROC) have thrown their hat into Mandelsons Club and are out of options. They're up 'creek alley'.



TR wanting to 'desperately' join the EU is not a 'given'.





The TR & TRNC are in a totally different Geo-Political situation From the GR & ROC.



They hold a lot of aces that will attract attention from The US, UN, Nato, Soviet Bloc, Israel, Middle East.





My money is still on the TR!



Rob

yorgozlu



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Message Posted:
27/07/2009 13:57

Holding a RoC passport doesnt mean that you have to "recognise" it.



Giving citizenship to 60000T/C means recognising every single one of them



Rest of the world= Turkey?

I think not



Mind games!!!!!

Sorry, not interested

milti2


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Message Posted:
27/07/2009 14:24

yorgozlu , the 60 thousand T/Cs who applied and received the RoC passport are fully aware that with the RoC THEY CAN VISIT THE FOUR CORNERS OF THE WORLD WITH A RECOGNIZED LEGAL DOCUMENT !

The RoC recognizes the T/Cs , hasn't always acted as it preaches but on the whole the T/Cs are considered as citizens of the RoC.

My views are shared by AFRICA news paper as well as countless T/Cs .

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
27/07/2009 14:39

re 13 Paul



Hi ..No I meant that the EU might decide for TR.. YES.. with "help" from FR, etc. :( .. This would not be a good thing for the EU or TR or the whole region

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
27/07/2009 14:46

Dear Milti2



re msg 15



I'm sure your "unbiased" compliment now puts me firmly in the "GC Sympathiser" camp ! ;)



But I do feel the TC yes of 2004 ( to Annan) means that the "rump" RoC has to be VERY careful about claiming to represent all Cypriots at the EU..



YES, I believe TR is wrong to still be there is such numbers, and I don't believe it is much to do with defending TCs as much as it's own interests.. but their withdrawal must be part of something that is agreed.. there can't be a "vacuum".



GCs have to realise there has to be a new state - with new rules, too.

milti2


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Message Posted:
27/07/2009 15:41

re msg 22.

I do sincerely hope that open discussion is permitted and that freedom to express an opinion is not curtailed.

I always endeavour to see both sides of the coin but will not renege on principles that form part of the EU doctrine .

I opposed the AP because I considered it loaded with negative and adverse conditions that would at some time in the future have surfaced and and brought about conditions that would lead to a fresh outbreak of conflict amongst our people.



Fairness and empathy must be exercised by both communities. Understanding each others fears and concerns for the future must be respected and reciprocated .

I'm of the opinion that Turkeys' continued military presence in Cyprus is not conducive to the prospects of a solution to the Cyprob.

May I also say that I'm well aware that the average Turkish main-lander cant wait for Turkey to pull its troops out.

yorgozlu



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Message Posted:
27/07/2009 19:52

milti2 re msg20

Well done ,you are learning,

60000T/Cs are now recognised by RoC,but not one of those has to recognise Ro



A newspaper that is read by handfull of people,isnt going to make no difference to majority,so I wouldnt hold my breath on that either



LONG LIVE TRNC

yorgozlu



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Message Posted:
27/07/2009 19:53

RE MSG 24

Apologies for misspelliing "RoC"