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zerochlor


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Secret Labour tax on having a patio,conservatory,or just a good view from your window: Millions of homes assessed for charge which hammers middle classes







http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1202173/Secret-Labour-tax-having-patio--Millions-homes-assessed-council-charge-hammers-middle-classes.html?ITO=1490



Turtle


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Dont worry this shower of s***e is on borrowed time.

Come Sept/Oct when the gorbals mick by election comes in they are finished.



Tootie


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Typical labour Goverment! Tax Tax and err............ oh yer more Tax...



They will never get re-elected anyway.





Tootie



Turtle


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For me its not about paying tax......................its what these idiots spend it on



Tootie


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Its both for me!



Running your own business in the uk your nothing more than a tax collector. They dont give a toss about you or your business, Just as long as you keep paying the TAX.





Tootie



zerochlor


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Glad i never paid any and got out just in time!!





lovingcyprus


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Put them all in a land rover out in Afghanistan



Turtle


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Thats not fair on LandRover !!



Tootie


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Well we cantt put em in a helecopter cos we aint got enough !



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Sorry "helicopter". Dont think we have any "helecopters"





Do we?????



Coachie



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There are enough helicopters out there to meet our needs and that comes from one of the commanders in the field,not from rent a gob Cameron...He will actually say some thing sensible one of these days..



Turtle


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Like what coachie.......................Another bye election under my bellt and 20% lead in the polls ?



Your on yer way out mate you cant defend the undefendable



lovingcyprus


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Coachie,



I guessed you would be sucked in by the propaganda that Brown and his cronies come out with. There is not a decent one amongst them, liars all of them



Coachie



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There are very few honest politicians around in all parties as we have recently found out to our cost.

Turtle.. you are probably right in that they are on theirway out,but I still have not heard Del Boy Cameron come out with any really constructive ideas on what he intends to do about the current situation.He cannot even find his own slogan,has to pinch Obamas "we want change" They got there change in the US and things are not going to well at the moment for them. I am not sucked in by anybodies lies,but when A Lt.Colonel in the British Army says extra Helicopters would not have saved any of our recent losses ,you have to accept what he says,after all he is the man there dealing with the situation.You can only take the troops so far in choppers before they become the target,down a couple of those with 50/60 troops in each and you watch the yelling then. IEDs are what the real problem is not the shortage of choppers. you cannot always detect them with mine detectors...



lovingcyprus


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So liar Brown has never pinched any of the Conservatives ideas (Inheritance Tax immediately springs to mind)



I seem to remember that some very very senior Armed Forces personel who are much senior than your Lt Colonel have stated that they need more helicopters and men in Afghanistan. Even one of Brown's cronies said so the other day(cant spell his name but it was something like Mallack Brown) and a very short while later changed his mind as he had been leant on.



Wake up and smell the coffee please Coachie



Coachie



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Loving cyprus...I am fully awake thank you. Whatwe do need is better detection equipment for finding these IED,s and better armoured vehicles to transport the troops around.Who ever decided that a Landrover was a front line vehicle ought to be made to go and ride in one. Alright for general duties around the army bases here in the UK, as a fighting vehicle, I dont think so. A firecracker would disable a Landrover never mind a roadside bomb..So LC if anyone has to wake up and smell the coffee its the Army for sending those heaps of c--- out there. Its not all Labours fault,they were front line vehicles when the Tories were in power as well....



Turtle


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So its taken this shower 11 years to replace them and guess what.........they haven't replaced them shame on them.



zerochlor


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how about a shared goverment.



All the 3 main parties





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A shared government, Now that would be good for me as it would be a blood bath better get my CV in now. Bring back Maggie Thatcher I say or her equivilent, women better at housekeeping and multi-tasking,accounts the list is endless.



lovingcyprus


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Yes the front line vehicles were the Landrovers when the Tories were in power 12 years ago, (I'm sure you will be able to cast your mind back to then as you lot still want to blame the Tories for everything that happened 12 or more years ago) our Army had never fought a campaign where there there IED's strewn all over the place, so your lot sent our brave soldiers to Iraq and Afghanistan without the proper equipment.



Our guys were sent to these theatres of war without the proper equipment for the job which is disgraceful I know that the equipment levels are better now but there are still many shortcomings which is a disgraceful situation.



Do you remember just 2 short years ago the Defence Secretary of State was Les Browne and at the same time he was Secretary os State for Scotland so Labour thought it right to have a part time Secretary of State for Defence that speaks volumes as to what they think of the Armed Forces



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"Last week General Richard Dannatt, the head of the army, criticized Brown and ministers for failing to supply enough men, vehicles and equipment.



And Air Chief Marshal Jock Stirrup, the chief of the defense staff, said more helicopters would save lives.



Until now ministers have insisted the military has all the resources it needs.



But in an interview with the Daily Telegraph, Malloch-Brown said: "We definitely don't have enough helicopters. When you have these modern operations and insurgent strikes what you need, above all else, is mobility." Quoted from CNN



Bit higher than a Lt Colonel



karakum5c



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The fact we are all talking about the urgent need for helicopters is an admission that the taliban control the road system through out Afghanistan.



How is it if we are winning this WAR and this is the case, at this point in our campaign we shouldnt need all these helicopters if we are winning !



Coachie



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We have never had enough helicopters for the last 30years,theynwere deemed not necessary by the Military as front line euipment till the Falklands war. It was not till we went into the first Iraq war when it became apparent that we really did need them,not as cas/evac but front line attack choppers and troop carriers. You are dead right Karakum5c,it is the road system that we need to control and until we can do that we are never ever going to get anywhere...If the troops get ahead of there supply columns,which come mainly by road,you are in deep trouble.Sure choppers can carry ammo,and food etc but you can only take them in so far before they become the target,and we just cannot afford to have any taken out on supply runs. If the top men in the field say we need more troops and gear then I agree there should be no expense spared to provide it,but for the last 40 years our armed forces have been the laughing stock of Europe as far as equipment goes.Perhaps itmight improve shortly...



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Make your mind up Coachie....one minute we have enough helicopters and in the next breath you are agreeing that we have never had enough helicopters over the last 30 years. We certainly had enough balls when Maggie was bashing the Argies when they tried to nick our islands!



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And so to the proposed rise in council tax. My Son has the same sized house with a patio and conservatory, as I have, he lives on an estate I have open views over fields, I am in a higher tax band than he is already, we have the same services so I pay extra for my view.



stavroscyprus


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clarets you are right coachie has lost the plot



minertor



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Coachie, msg 11 we have enough helicopters. Msg 23 not enough, msg 14 can't detect the mines, msg 16 same kit as tories gave our soldiers. Last time the tories were in power I had a smashing modern car, it's a junker now. We need the choppers to overfly the IEDs, detectors don't work because the bombs are full of glass, ceramics etc that aren't detected, no wonder your pic. shows you with a glass, plonk is it?



Woodspeckie


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Yes 3.20 a bottle from Lidl.



Woodspeckie


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Tax on landlines next. The government wants to 6 a year tax on landlines which will raise 175 million to subsidise the cost of laying fibre-optic cable to homes BT nor Virgin will upgrade at their expense. New technology called "superfast broadband" only useful to people with the latest computer equipment to download films, music or play online games. One in 4 households has no computer many who are older people so they will be paying for a service they do not want or will not use. What happens to the millions when the lines are finished being laid? What else are they going to tax next, yes it might be fresh air.



Coachie



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Clarets..She didnt exactly pick on a good fighting force did she.The only Argies that are worth mentioning was there Airforce,ask anyone in the Navy they will testify to that..I standby what I said about us not havung enough choppers to do everything that the military wants worldwide,but if a officer on the front line,who is the guy doing the fighting,says we have enough there for our needs,who am I to disagree with him. Its alright for these generals and Air Marshals to say we want more,they are not in the front line.



Minertor..You only backed up what i said about detection equipment..And buy the way I would sooner have a glass of plonk as you put than the Cancer weed that is in your mouth..That picture was taken on holiday at a anniversary party,and it certainly was not Lidl plonk as you put it...



Woodspeckie..You ought to try Lidl before you star criticising but I bet you are one of the elite class who pay overinflated prices at M&S for food and wine...



zerochlor


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i think the next Tax will be a second or third car in the same family.



youll pay more tax as your making a bigger footprint than those with 1 car in the family home!



get out of the UK while you still got some money left!



you are already a minority in your own country!



lovingcyprus


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I guess you must be wearing rose tinted glasses or living on a different planet as Gordon Brown as his cronies are.



Have you heard that your lot are in the High Court today trying to reduce compensation payments to our troops, this is just so disgraceful.



Coachie



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Loving cyprus ..Totally agree with you.It is disgraceful and I hope they dont get away with it. I assume your reply was aimed at me being a Socialist.I do not always agree with some of there mad cap Ideas. But as you all say they will not be here long so I do not think they will have enough time left to implement some of their daft ideas,even if they do bring them in your beloved tory party will cancel all of it so why worry..I see Del Boy is on about stopping Child Benefit to those who he deems do not need it. They are not trying to reduce compensation to the troops,it is written down on a scale what you get paid for a particular injury.What they ARE trying to reduce is the extra money awarded in a court of law that was paid to 2 soldiers in particular.I totally disagree with MOD in this instance,but they do have a right to appeal the same as anyone else.Pity the law makers could not find something else to have a go at.Totally out of order as far as I am concerned...



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having spent 6 yrs of my life in the armed forces 2nd battalion parachute regimente falklands vet , can i just say it was a war to win votes , it was the biggest losses the parachute regiment suffered in our history , and it only lasted 36 days , theyre all tossers , they dont give a damn about you and i , they only want you to vote them onto the gravy train , theyre biggar robbers than dick turpin



Hector


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Didn't the IRA plant roadside bombs and murder our soldiers i.e. at Warren Point? I think when all troop movements were by helicopter, the army didn't lose any more to that tactic.

As for having enough helicopters, maybe if you include all the US ones.



Coachie



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hector..yes they did but you still have to go the last mile or so either on foot or by road and the Taliban know that.Hence my statement that we need better detection equipment,and better armoured vehicles.I was watching a programme on the box about a device that was an improved version of the old wartime flail tank,the one that used to rotate chains that exploded the mines,and would be great help out there.It was much more mobile than a tank and the yanks are developing it for theirservices. Perhaps they should bring back the Hovercraft they used to have,they can pass over them without any detonations..



Rowlo..I agree but there are some who think it was the Iron Lady kicking Argies arses to show them who is the boss!!!!!



lovingcyprus


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Coachie



Funny you mentioned Hovercraft, I thought that a while ago.



Perhaps the services have thought of that already.



I think that it does not cost a lot to build a hovercraft, perhaps it maybe worthwhile you contacting your MP about that, I will contact mine who is in the TA and has served recently in Afghanistan.



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