The Cyprus Convention of 4 June, 1878 - history lesson time!

Reproman


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Message Posted:
31/07/2009 01:40

Can anyone explain what this bit means?



"VI. That if Russia restores to Turkey Kars, and the other conquests made by her in Armenia during the last war, the Island of Cyprus will be evacuated by England, and the Convention of the 4th of June, 1878, will be at an end.



Done at Constantinople, the 1st day of July, 1878."





its at the end of this agreement signed in 1878 between England and the then OTTOMAN RULED CYPRUS. So why wasnt cyprus given back to the ottomans after 4th June 1878??

Reproman


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Message Posted:
31/07/2009 01:57

oh so this is how the British came to 'Annex' Cyprus for them selves??



"1878 - 1914: Although still 'technically' under Turkish rule, the Cypriot legal and governmental systems are dramatically re-structured by the British High Commissioner and his staff. On more than one occasion, these policy reforms cause varying degrees of outrage with the island's Turkish population.

then...in

1914: Turkey allies itself with the Austro/Hungarian empire at the start of World War This action causes Britain to nullify the treaty governing its administration of Cyprus. The island is officially annexed by the British Empire and is now wholly under the crown's rule."



im learning a little bit each day....

Reproman


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Message Posted:
31/07/2009 02:04

1925: After Turkey finally relinquishes all claims to Cyprus in the treaty of Lausanne (1923), Cyprus officially becomes a British Crown colony



1939 - 1945: During the war, Cyprus is of varying strategic importance. Cypriot volunteers fight alongside British troops in the allied armed forces. At the end of the war, implied promises concerning Cypriot independence in return for allegiance during the conflict are denied by the British, causing much resentment with the local populace



1954: Great Britain once again refuses to grant independence to Cyprus. Calls on the United Nations to intervene are ignored.



AND THIS IS WHEN GREEKS FIRST BEGAN THEIR CAMPAIGN OF ENOSIS....



1955: At the end of the year, EOKA (The National Organisation of Cypriot Fighters) commences a bloody terrorist campaign against the British and a general state of emergency is declared on the island

Reproman


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Message Posted:
31/07/2009 02:13

1959: On February 19th of this year, the London Agreement is signed by British, Greek, Turkish and Cypriot leaders, finally guaranteeing independence for Cyprus. The official state of emergency is finally ended on Christmas Eve.



MORE INFO ON THIS AGREEMENT HERE ( YES I KNOW ITS WIKIPEDIA!)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Z%C3%BCrich_and_London_Agreement



In November 1963 the (Greek-Cypriot) President of the Republic, Archbishop Makarios III, suggested amendments to the Constitution "to resolve constitutional deadlocks".

AND BY 1963 THE GREEKS ALREADY WANTED TO MAKE CHANGES TO NEWLY FORMED AGREEMENT!

one of which was taking away the power of VETO from the Turkish Cypriot representatives...

Which of course the Turkish Cypriots did not accept as it was a fundamental part of the orignal agreement.

Reproman


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Message Posted:
31/07/2009 02:19

Treaty of Guarantee!

This was also 'agreed' upon by all 3 parties, Britain, Turkey and Greece.



**United Kingdom, Turkey, and Greece promised to prohibit the promotion of "either the union of the Republic of Cyprus with any other State**



AND THIS IS WHEN THE GREEKS BROKE THE BIGGEST RULE OF ALL...ATTEMPTED ENOSIS!



AND UNDER THE TREATY OF GUARANTEE:

**Article Three of the Treaty of Guarantee provides that "In so far as common or concerted action may prove impossible, each of the three guaranteeing Powers reserves the right to take action with the sole aim of re-establishing the state of affairs established by the present Treaty."



In July 1974 there was briefly a Greek-backed coup in Cyprus. Turkey claimed under the Treaty of Guarantee to intervene militarily. The legality of the invasion depends on whether common or concerted action between the U.K., Greece and Turkey had proved impossible.

Reproman


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Message Posted:
31/07/2009 02:34

The legality of the invasion depends on whether common or concerted action between the U.K., Greece and Turkey had proved impossible.



and i will leave that up to you guys/girls to decide for yourselves.........





and if you were to ask my opinion....the brutal killing and attempted genocide of turkish cypriots by the Greeks, breaking the main rule of the agreement, while the UN failed to act warrants the PEACE INTERVENTION carried out by TURKEY under the very same AGREEMENT that the GREEKS failed to comply with.



And here we are...nearly 50 years on (1955) since the Greeks first begain their Dream of Annexing Cyprus with Greece, and changing all the rules in 1963, breaking the rules 1974...not agreeing to UN brokered peace plans 2004.

We are waiting for the Greeks to agree AND stick to a solution for Cyprus...and all the while it is the Turkish Cypriots that are unjustly suffering since 1955.



May we all sleep in peace tonight and forever.

ne mutlu turkum diyene

- Repro

Tiggy


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Message Posted:
31/07/2009 02:59

You have a nerve....after all the guff you have written!!!!

Brinsley


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Message Posted:
31/07/2009 02:59

Pre 1914 UK rented Cyprus and encouraged Greek mainlanders to settle as cheap labour and distorted the 'ethnic' balance of the population.



1974 UK too busy with internal domestic labour conflicts gave Turkey the okay to do what they thought was necessary (Callaghan) as 'they' were too busy at home to intervene or take direct action.



The Queen steps in and suggests that 'her' Government sides with Greece, not surprisingly so as Hubby is a Greek!



Read '30 Hot Days' by M.A. Birand, compelling reading Hope this helps Richard

yunus



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Message Posted:
31/07/2009 03:01

no,no,no reproman



you've got it all wrong



it was all turkey's fault



the greeks are actually 100% right see



the greeks made a few mistakes but hey, who doesn't, you know



o.k so the turkish cypriots had to live in enclaves for a while but don't you worry to much about that,



they threw them selves on to a couple of bullets while the greeks were having target practice.



you see if you were right, why would the turkish cypriots not be in the e.u now ?



the greeks tried to clens the island of the turkish cypriots but the troubles started because turkey was actually trying to take the whole island for its self. now, not a lot of people know that. count yourself lucky



why does the trnc not have direct flights ? because of the suffering they caused the greeks over the past years of course. look the poor chaps have lost so much land it just is not right !



look you've got it all wrong



hang on, i'll get dell boy to explain in more detail







mmmmmm it's for you

Brinsley


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Message Posted:
31/07/2009 03:31

yunus



Explain yourself on that one! Got me beat!!



Richard

cronos


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Message Posted:
31/07/2009 08:59

Brinsley......I don't think our friend Yunus could have his tongue planted any further in his cheek !



Well said Yunus......but you've probably used up all your sarcasm for the day !

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
31/07/2009 10:37

Dear Richard, re msg 11



Could it be that our Dear Friend Yunus thinks that *I* rewrote history and as a one year old influenced Makarios to sign an agreement that proved constitutionally unworkable?!



Why DID the GCs want this Veto removed... ?



Better to ask how many times it was used and in what circumstances.. Yunus - would you like to explain your version of the exuberant use of the Veto and defend this as "normal" ?



Some might even suggest that this was a DELIBERATE tactic - as the aim of Mr Denktash was "Taksim" - Division- and he had already made this known?.



You might even like to explain how folks like the Armenians suddenly found themselves "GC sympathisers" and turfed out of their homes in N. Nicosia. I know how humane acts are important to you..



You might discuss how a Turkish national was "eliminated" in a crude attempt to get TC opinion polarised .. by making it LOOK like the act of GCs



Skullduggery on BOTH sides..