Cyprus Today in your (UK) mailbox

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
01/08/2009 14:03

In the past weeks I was surprised about the interest many UK residents showed in news from TRNC. The TRNC news in Cyprus Today was illegally delivered on a web site to these news buffs. In case you now miss the TRNC news, here's the legal solution. Support the paper and the journalistic and technical staff: subscribe to Cyprus Today.



P.S. When I lived in Holland the paper was in my possession within a couple of days from the publication date. It never failed in many months.



Click the link below, save and print the form.



http://www.allcrusades.com/BB_pics/CypToday_subscription_form_72.jpg

fire starter


Joined: 19/06/2008
Posts: 3401

Message Posted:
01/08/2009 14:47

illegally delivered on a website, what are you a cyprus today policeman?

got a badge and a gun now?

i think not.

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
01/08/2009 15:07

RE msg 2, fire_starter: "illegally delivered on a website,

===> Indeed.

RE msg 2, fire_starter: "what are you a cyprus today policeman?

===> No. I side with news papers, journalists and technical staff.

RE msg 2, fire_starter: "got a badge and a gun now?

===> No.

RE msg 2, fire_starter: "i think not.

===> You're right.



And your point is?

TimothyCadman


Joined: 13/12/2007
Posts: 1040

Message Posted:
01/08/2009 16:12

I would love to subscribe, in fact did until the end of 2008.

When we departed the TRNC we subscribed for a 6 month period but found the service to awful. Some weeks it would take upto 10 days to arrive, some only 4 days. On some occassions we received 2 weeks papers in the same postal delivery.

If it was more regular I would gladly resubscribe, but don't imagine that today it's any different from how it was in 2008.

I'm not blaming the newspaper themselves as they always posted them out on time but the Post Office's of the TRNC, Turkey and the UK who are unable to create a smooth transportation of mail from A to B.

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
01/08/2009 16:26

firestarter



There is plenty of medical treatments for people suffering from pyromania, I have my own final solution for your problems!



Richard

begonia


Joined: 19/05/2009
Posts: 229

Message Posted:
01/08/2009 19:34

Firestarter..............are you deecyprus ? You seem to have a lot in common !

teatime


Joined: 20/10/2008
Posts: 852

Message Posted:
01/08/2009 20:30

Msg 1.

No thanks, prefer to read it on the web site, when the news is fresh.

Thanks for your concern though!

Pipie


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
01/08/2009 21:40

Take no notice firestarter , there are always some who are ready to pounce !!!!

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
01/08/2009 22:19

D.C..have to confess that now i seem to be getting the hang of this Laptop lark,I read all the newspapers online..even my local one from back home.love to see who has given birth,or popped away someplace far....Thought that was what the internet was for... )))





Spider.X Now must just have a peek at Cyprus Today..near on a day late that..thanks for the reminder.!!!

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
01/08/2009 22:24

teatime



How fresh are you?



Richard

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
01/08/2009 22:33

RE msg 9, spider: (...) I read all the newspapers online..even my local one from back home. (...)



=> Yes and why not? The content is uploaded to a web site by the holders of the copyright and not by a thief. See the difference, spider? Scanning news paper pages without explicit permission of the holders of the copyright is called a breach of that copyright or in plain English: theft. Theft from the news paper. Theft of intellectual property of journalists. What does that make supporters of the thief..?



What would you say when a burglar enters your house and takes your jewellery? You would object, wouldn't you? Well, that's exactly the same journalists do all over the world when journalistic work is stolen. I hope you understand now and look at it differently.

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
01/08/2009 22:33

Richard were you looking for cream and jam with that scone then...NICE.. )))







Spider,X

teatime


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Posts: 852

Message Posted:
01/08/2009 22:46

Brinsley msg 11:

Fine thanks, nice of you to ask

TimothyCadman


Joined: 13/12/2007
Posts: 1040

Message Posted:
02/08/2009 00:47

There is a simple answer to stop theft of all kinds......DON'T OWN ANYTHING!

If you don't want it stolen then don't print or make it. EVERYTHING has its imitations that are a fraction of the cost of all originals.

I will gladly put my hands up to say that all the Branded Items I own are FAKE. I know them to be FAKE and I bought them knowing they were FAKE. But the most important thing is that to those who see me they don't know they are fake and so I appear to be more than I really am.

Intellectual theft has been around as long as people have been inventing things and it will always happen until the day that capitalism is defeated and all men are equal and we all have exactly the same possesions.

Geoff


Joined: 25/06/2008
Posts: 1370

Message Posted:
02/08/2009 10:56

Re # 17. I had a look, very nice, BUT I wonder why it doesn't show the article on Page3 about an amnesty for UK importers of cars etc??!!

fire starter


Joined: 19/06/2008
Posts: 3401

Message Posted:
02/08/2009 11:47

for someone who lives on exchange land, how dare you call anyone a theif.



this is the trnc, where are the copyright laws?



who here can honestly say that they have never purchased a dvd in the trnc? are they not all downloaded illegally??



please this is dutch being sad just having a pop at little niges forum, nothing more , nothing less.



no,i'm not dee cyprus, my face is all my own, and my hubbys the good looking one.



brin, are you the dutchmans secret lover? just playing with fire,lol.

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
02/08/2009 12:48

re msg 12



>>What would you say when a burglar enters your house and takes your jewellery? You would object, wouldn't you? Well, that's exactly the same journalists do all over the world when journalistic work is stolen. I hope you understand now and look at it differently.<<



Not the wisest analogy, Hans, given the situation re "property ownership" in Cyprus ? ;)

nurseawful



Joined: 06/02/2009
Posts: 5934

Message Posted:
02/08/2009 13:04

Maybe someone should ask Gill Fraser, editor of Cyprus Today what she thinks of this. In my opinion and if it was my paper I would not be happy for someone else to put it on a forum. Everytime someone reads it on a forum and does not buy the paper, well I think you can all work it out from there !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

fire starter


Joined: 19/06/2008
Posts: 3401

Message Posted:
02/08/2009 14:09

i would just like to add, who is it that actually owns cyprus today??

have a good think about it.

i rest my case.

petez


Joined: 04/12/2008
Posts: 560

Message Posted:
03/08/2009 00:58

If you read Cyprus today on a website that has no permission to copy the information from the paper, where is the money going to come from to pay the journalists to work for the paper?



At least with a movie some people do watch it in a cinema or buy the original



Having said that, there is no reason why they should not have their own online version by now and offer it either as a subscription service or subsidised by adverts.

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
03/08/2009 01:08

hIYA fs i Think Azil Nadir owns the group xxx

titledeed


Joined: 26/07/2009
Posts: 13

Message Posted:
03/08/2009 07:46

Fire starter

We all thought you were the gun and badge person,always boasting about people you know in authority both in the uk and cyprus

Do you ride off into the sunset on your dogs ?

Geoff


Joined: 25/06/2008
Posts: 1370

Message Posted:
03/08/2009 09:05

It is owned by whoever owns "Kibris", I think A.Nadir is the one.

zerochlor


Joined: 03/04/2009
Posts: 4024

Message Posted:
03/08/2009 11:06

Azil Nadir!



Didnt he do somthing similar to Robert Maxwell?



Maybe DC knows?



Suppose he wont mind people re publishing parts of his paper!

fire starter


Joined: 19/06/2008
Posts: 3401

Message Posted:
03/08/2009 17:06

put polly peck into your search engine and read the two first website which come up.



i rest my case.

mmmmmm



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Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
03/08/2009 17:25

Azil Nadil ..aka "Mr Promises"...

fire starter


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Posts: 3401

Message Posted:
03/08/2009 17:31

hi m,



i knew who he was and that he owned cyprus today, but i didn't know the extent of it all till i read more on line.



i think to go any further would be seriously playing with fire, but is all there for everyone to read.

ROBnJO


Joined: 30/06/2008
Posts: 1289

Message Posted:
03/08/2009 18:29

I met Asil Nadir a few years ago at a function.



Bloody nice bloke!



Nicer than most UK MP's or 'Top' Businessmen I have met.



Rob

TimothyCadman


Joined: 13/12/2007
Posts: 1040

Message Posted:
03/08/2009 18:55

grandpagrump,

Cyprus Today isn't online, but every now and again someone will scan a story from the newspaper, put it onto a web page and put a link in their message on here to that web page where we can see the story. This is what Dutch Crusader is complaining about. By scanning the story and making it available on a web site then it is intellecutal theft, which under many countries laws in illegal.

simbas



Joined: 16/07/2007
Posts: 5943

Message Posted:
03/08/2009 18:59

Iv'e had it sent to me through facebook quite a few times , and surprise surprise when i open it it's Nige's face i see first .

simbas



Joined: 16/07/2007
Posts: 5943

Message Posted:
03/08/2009 19:20

Hi Grandpagrump ,welcome to the forum by the way , i have never accepted Nige as a friend , it says " facebook recognises TRNC "and i just go in on a link , and as i say , there is Nige !

ROBnJO


Joined: 30/06/2008
Posts: 1289

Message Posted:
03/08/2009 19:35

Re Copyright,..



I can't remember the last time I bought a paper, apart from the odd 'Sunday' (the wife likes the supplements!).



I seem to get weblinks from almost every paper I know, giving access to practically all their main items.



It's the papers themselves who have led this revolution and will probably have to cope with the fallout themselves.



When did you last see anyone under 30 with a newspaper in their hands? (unless it's a free 'Metro' or similar).



Every paper, however small or regional, is desperate for online hits.



It's the publishers who will have to come up with economic solutions.



We, the public, can't be blamed for reading what is freely available.





Rob

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
03/08/2009 19:43

Msg 30



Did you ask to see the reverse side of his watch? If so you'll be in the 'inner circle'!



Richard

Snaefell



Joined: 07/06/2009
Posts: 266

Message Posted:
03/08/2009 20:30

Thanks DC I have been trying to find out how to get it mailed to my UK address without success until now!

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
03/08/2009 21:12

RE msg 38, Snaefell: (...) Thanks DC I have been trying to find out how to get it mailed to my UK address without success until now! (...)



=> Click the link in msg #1 and a form will appear on your screen. Print the form and... the rest is all in English. Even I could do it.

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
03/08/2009 21:14

Welcome Grandpagrump, errm, I mean: hi Nigel, you old cheater!

DutchCrusader



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Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
03/08/2009 21:25

Msg 31, TimothyCadman: (...) Cyprus Today isn't online, but every now and again someone will scan a story from the newspaper, put it onto a web page and put a link in their message on here to that web page where we can see the story. This is what Dutch Crusader is complaining about. By scanning the story and making it available on a web site then it is intellecutal theft, which under many countries laws in illegal. (...)



=> "... every now and again someone will scan a story ..." NO and this is the important difference: Nigel Watson scanned/uploaded ALL the news in Cyprus Today without permission. And I protested this blatant form of theft of intellectual property of Cyprus Today and especially of journalists/colleagues. It didn't make me popular (less, if possible, I'd say ), but some facts have to be written*. And I will.



* I've had plenty of nasty anonymous letters when I worked for a Dutch news paper, so I can't be insulted.

Hector


Joined: 26/08/2008
Posts: 2352

Message Posted:
03/08/2009 21:26

"* I've had plenty of nasty anonymous letters when I worked for a Dutch news paper, so I can't be insulted."



Now there's a surprise!

Hector


Joined: 26/08/2008
Posts: 2352

Message Posted:
03/08/2009 21:30

If Cyprus Today went online, it would achieve world wide coverage. It would certainly raise it's profile and I expect income. The worlds media, when wanting information or comment on events in North Cyprus would I reckon, seek that from the newspaper correspondents. Is there a hidden agenda for not wanting that?

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
03/08/2009 21:31

RE msg 42, Hector: What an interesting contribution to this thread.

DutchCrusader



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Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
03/08/2009 21:45

RE msg 43, Hector (...) The worlds media, when wanting information or comment on events in North Cyprus would I reckon, seek that from the newspaper correspondents. (...)



=> Are you kidding?! News papers outside the UK* are not or hardly interested in Northern Cyprus. Young readers all over Europe usually do not even know where to locate Northern Cyprus. If you want to open your eyes to the reality: take a free subscription to Google Alert ("Cyprus") and you'll see what the worlds media daily write about.



* UK news papers - in a nutshell - write about Aya Napa in the South and clean beaches in the North (often advertorials). And the mess the housing business is in.

Hector


Joined: 26/08/2008
Posts: 2352

Message Posted:
03/08/2009 21:54

DC



Your negativity is depressing.



Maybe if Cyprus Today was online then threads such as Google Alert Cyprus may contain more useful items rather than what there is now. GIGO.

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
03/08/2009 22:04

RE msg 46, Hector (...) Your negativity is depressing. (...)



=> Your attitude and ignorance is even more depressing. Why all your sour one liners?



For interested people: http://www.google.com.tr/alerts?hl=en

Choose: Cyprus. You get all the news (clickable headlines) about Cyprus in your mailbox. Free. Daily or weekly.

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
03/08/2009 22:09

Nige



'so where can I see Cyprus today on line ??'

'I am lost it seems like a lot of riddles to me.'



I know you are lost, you have been for sometime now but I would suggest logging on to your own board to read exactly what you have scanned in. Easy, even for you.

Washerman


Joined: 19/09/2008
Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
03/08/2009 22:12

Dutch, Ik wil een vraag stellen



Does the illegal publisher of this copyrighted material reside in Northern Cyprus?



Washerman

keithcaley



Joined: 13/06/2008
Posts: 2521

Message Posted:
03/08/2009 22:18

Another good source of (relatively) 'new' news is http://www.northcyprus.biz/

I have to admit to scanning and posting occasional items from the local paper, when they have been of intense, immediate, interest - such as the cases involving imminent repossession of peoples' homes.

News of such developments would only reach those based overseas WELL after the threatened developments had actually occurred.

I am not sure if this is any sort of defence against intellectual property theft, and will have to consider if I am justified in doing anything similar in future...

I am sure that 'someone' will offer guidance on this subject

Keith.

Washerman


Joined: 19/09/2008
Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
03/08/2009 22:21

Keith....illegal publication of copyrighted material on the http://www. is easily corrected by a complaint to the company that is hosting the material. Ultimately, they are responsible and a simple email of complaint will usually get the material removed.



Washerman

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
03/08/2009 22:22

Washerman



Nothing is legal to the outside World concerning TRNC so what is 'done' here is both legal and illegal. Get it!!!!



Richard

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
03/08/2009 22:24

Nigel, you have to change your ID almost daily, because one fake ID after another is removed from this board. Why make it so difficult for yourself? For your next ID choose IDiot and I promise I won't tell anyone who is behind this appropriate fake ID.

Washerman


Joined: 19/09/2008
Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
03/08/2009 22:25

Sorry Richard, but you are wrong.

These web sites are hosted outside the TRNC and therefore, are subject to the rules and reg's of the 'real world'



Washerman

Washerman


Joined: 19/09/2008
Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
03/08/2009 22:29

at the very least, the owner of the .com will be asked to under write any losses that may occur from the publication of copyrighted material posted on the servers of the hosting company. At this stage, the a-se drops out of the owner and usually, the illegal publisher sees sense and removes the offending.



Washerman

keithcaley



Joined: 13/06/2008
Posts: 2521

Message Posted:
03/08/2009 22:29

Washerman,

Thanks for that - however it is more a question of behaving 'morally' than 'legally'...

Richard, - as usual, you have reduced the issue to 'basics'

Keith.

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
03/08/2009 22:32

Msg 54



Hence Sky TV etc etc! So under what jurisdiction are they going to sue for any international infringemt?



Richard

Washerman


Joined: 19/09/2008
Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
03/08/2009 22:34

They will not sue! - They like the revenue. They will only act if pushed to the limit by a complaint from a MotGP



Washerman

Washerman


Joined: 19/09/2008
Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
03/08/2009 22:36

Yes, you can own and operate a web server here and give them a problem, but if they instruct a local solicitor and give them £3/4,000 to give you grief. You will change your mind



Washerman

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
03/08/2009 22:39

I think Washerman is right in msg 49 -> 59.

Brinsley


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Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
03/08/2009 22:40

MotGP? Some sort of motor sport?



Richard

Washerman


Joined: 19/09/2008
Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
03/08/2009 22:45

"Member of the General Public"..........example:-

I had a dispute with a company in America, so I published a web site (containing a truthful account of my dealings with them) but I included their name (copyrighted) and the name of their MD etc.

The web site caused them a serious problem. They contacted the hosting commpany (where the website lived on the internet) and warned them that I was publishing copyrighted material.

They sent me an email asking me to absolve them from any costs and the company concerned instructed a local solicitor to deliver me a letter - result, error 404 page cannot be displayed!



Washerman

Washerman


Joined: 19/09/2008
Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
03/08/2009 22:53

Remember the court case against Google recently, where the owners of the copyrighted names being used in Google's ads were said to be a breach.



Washerman

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
03/08/2009 22:59

RE Washerman: Finally another member who knows what he's talking about.



By the way: a web site (and the webmaster) can also be in big trouble (especially when the site is hosted in the USA - it doesn't matter where the content is uploaded) when repeated attacks on people (lies, slander and what have you) are not allowed replies.



One only needs a lawyer in the States to have the web site removed or deleted and/or sue the offending webmaster for quite a lot of money. Hosting providers don't take any risks.

Washerman


Joined: 19/09/2008
Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
03/08/2009 23:02

Blimey Dutch.....that's goin' on my CV



Washerman

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
03/08/2009 23:07

Washerman



Bloody 'Septic Tanks', no sense of a fair playing field!



Richard

Washerman


Joined: 19/09/2008
Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
03/08/2009 23:09

Richard - You mean 'J Arthurs'



Washerman

RipToff


Joined: 28/03/2009
Posts: 28

Message Posted:
04/08/2009 21:06

There have been quite a few threads on this forum regarding 'Brits' that live and work in the TRNC with and without work permits, however, It makes me laugh at some of the supposedly 'legitimate' people out there have double standards.



They are quick to condemn others, yet would think nothing of employing people 'on the side' to save money. (because they pay, then I suppose this must be ok? ).



Admit to playing in bands with members who had 'NO PERMITS'.......



Buy stuff from other countries and deliver into the South to 'avoid paying KDV' .....



Take cash up front and avoid issuing a Fatura and KDV receipt/invoice.....



Buy/Sell services for TV that is certainly illegal..!



Perhaps, we should be looking at 'ALL' the moral crusaders out there who in one way or another are avoiding being 100% legitimate.



If you really do care that much then think back to all the times you paid cash for a service and didn't receive a receipt or the amount of times you paid 'cash in hand'

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
04/08/2009 21:27

RE msg 68, RipToff: Calm down, please. You've uploaded the same message now in three different threads. You don't think your text is extremely exciting, do you..?