Something positive, from the dreadful past

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
04/08/2009 19:26

Bridging the Rivers of Blood



This article from the CY Mail was spotted by a TC - I thank him for drawing it to my attention and hope we can all appreciate that there were Heroes in the darkest times...



http://www.cyprus-mail.com/news/main.php?id=47045&cat_id=1

spider


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Message Posted:
04/08/2009 19:33

Dear MMMMMMMMM PERHAPS JUST FOR A FEW BLOODY MONTHS YOU COULD GIVE 'IT' ALL A REST.?????







)))) Spider.







Wait for it folks...... ))))

rowlo



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Message Posted:
04/08/2009 19:34

good post 6xm, but i think its gone to far to reunite , i think its gonna be much like your island , but at least there is peace now in your homeland .

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
04/08/2009 19:37

Did YOU READ the article, Spider?



From you post - it is clear you didn't.. give it a try THEN post ;)

spider


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Message Posted:
04/08/2009 19:46

AHHH but you dont like to talk about Lithuania.!! I will not forget because my Fathers first wife and daughter were left there never to get OUT.He lost his homeland...But HAY...Its gone.!! and thats the end of it..THAT IS WHAT HAPPENS IN WAR.!! No i did not bother to read it,Far to long..and not in the least interested.. )))



May read it at a later time and date.?? and leave it at that..ie:keep in in a later time and date.!!





Spider,X

ROBnJO


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Message Posted:
04/08/2009 19:48

Plectrum



"" How low can people get to exploit the suffering of another nation? ""





How far back in History do you want to start??

Bradus


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Message Posted:
04/08/2009 19:54

An excellent post MM which just shows how many good people, on both sides, were caught up in a conflict not of their making.

spud1


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Message Posted:
04/08/2009 20:01

mmmmmm. is there any topic on this site your not an expert at ??????????

denflolad


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Message Posted:
04/08/2009 20:03

Spider,



Agree most with your msg 2. Find that m is a very good plagiarist as I have read several of his ramblings and these can be traced back to the work of other authors.



As a lecturer was obliged to ascertain the difference between those that had the knowledge and those that talked what they thought was the knowledge.



Regards

teatime


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Message Posted:
04/08/2009 20:03

A very interesting article mmmmmm, unassuming hero's rightfully recognised, I'm sure there are many more who will never be recognised for their bravery.

Thanks for bringing it to our attention, just hope it's read without prejudice.

denflolad


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Message Posted:
04/08/2009 20:15

mmmmmm







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Message Posted:

04/08/2009 19:37

Reply Message 4 of 12 in Discussion



Did YOU READ the article, Spider?







From you post - it is clear you didn't.. give it a try THEN post ;)



M its in the CY Mail for everybody to read you prat why not just direct people to the article and then be quiet unless asked for your opinion.

rowlo



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Message Posted:
04/08/2009 20:20

msg15, he did but gave us the link also ???? not everyone gets the cy mail.

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
04/08/2009 20:22

Mark, what do you think of this:



http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7695688617775364591

denflolad


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Message Posted:
04/08/2009 20:23

Denflolad did not write what you quoted. PLEASE correct your post and include the whole of the missive. As a lecturer ex or otherwise I would have expected better from you.



I expect your response to my full post at your earliest.

ROBnJO


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Posts: 1289

Message Posted:
04/08/2009 20:23

In every conflict there are heroes on each side who want nothing but peace.



With a conflict such as this, from 35 to 50 years ago, most of the surviving heroes are in their later years.



It is, as is still happening in N Ireland and elsewhere, the younger generations that are the ones who have to be educated towards peace and understanding.



That is where the problems lie. Distrust and hate are often endemic in younger generations, as was seen at the recent 'Orange' March in Belfast. The stone & firebomb throwers all appeared to be youths.



Many Schools in Cyprus still appear to be teaching an 'edited' sectarian syllabus.



It could take a number of generations in Cyprus before any meaningful peace could be achieved.



I think both Christofias and Talat will be well aware of this.

denflolad


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Message Posted:
04/08/2009 20:27

msg15, he did but gave us the link also ???? not everyone gets the cy mail.



The cy mail is available to all.

spider


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Message Posted:
04/08/2009 20:35

There is only one way to happiness and that is to cease worrying about things which are beyond the power of our will....I for one live in the day. Happy and content.. ))))





Spider,X

denflolad


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Message Posted:
04/08/2009 20:37

Rowlo,



You said the cy mail is not available to all. I would, for your convenience direct you to http://www.cyprus-mail.com



A golly good read sir no matter where you reside.

denflolad


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Message Posted:
04/08/2009 20:40

Spider



A profound statement and I wish you all that you wish for you and yours.



May your God go with you.

Tiggy


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Message Posted:
04/08/2009 20:48

Pete Pike,



You are starting to hit the buffers again....time to take your tablets. All that wasted typing you do!!!!

spider


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Message Posted:
04/08/2009 20:50

Some people still live today with numbers branded upon their arms..The past is never never forgoten but with all the crap thats put on these Forums its never going to die thats for sure...But its always about who has what,and who no longer has...and property,homes.!!!



A new life begins for us with every second,and we should wald better with our eyes open,rather than cast behind.





Spider,X

minertor



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Message Posted:
04/08/2009 20:52

Hi many m's, is that your photo. You look quite normal, not at all like someone who posts such puerile slanted rubbish. Don't believe you hail from the Emerald Isle either, being brought up during "the troubles" gives you an insight into division denied the less fortunate. i.e. those born elsewhere.

teatime


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Message Posted:
04/08/2009 20:55

Ah well, ones hopes don't always happen!!!

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
04/08/2009 22:18

Mark, what do you think of this?



http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7695688617775364591

rowlo



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Message Posted:
04/08/2009 22:30

yes pikey msg 22 , but some of us need to work , mark posted a link , read it at your leisure or not at all , i read it at my leisure , nice to see you back , ps how many names you got ??????

MUSIN M


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Message Posted:
04/08/2009 22:34

no1 doven



i,m pretty sure he must of seen the videos ,maybe it,s his selective memory kicking in.









musin



long live the kktc

andre 514


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Message Posted:
04/08/2009 23:05

mark message 1 agree 100%



there was an article much along these lines in the cyprus observer about a year ago

the most difficult thing of all is to go against the mood of the times

and I'm sre there were many brave greek cypriots who did just that and would do so again



but as rolow seems to suggest in message 2:

and you have indeed mentioned ireland earlier along the lines of "if ireland can do it..."

there were huge amounts of goodwill and bravery in the face of terror and oppression there too

and even so ireland is now at peace and their agreement is more or less holding:

"a partitioned island of two states each accepting the other in an atmosphere of respect and co-operation"



of course to jump from the true hearts of ireland or of cyprus for that matter,

to reinforce a necessarily crude and one-sided re-unification plan is a totally different matter

...but perhaps I do you an injustice since you appear to have been backpeddling a tad recently

rowlo



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Message Posted:
04/08/2009 23:51

andre 514 ,a united cyprus wont work , 2 different cultures ,religiones ,beliefes, and most of all greece dont want, cant get cyprus now ,they had and lost theyre chance 63/74 before you answer , greece probably never wanted them in the 1st place ,the islanders were british citizens, they gave that up to be cypriots ,to live as one , my god how they tcs paid the price ,

minertor



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Message Posted:
05/08/2009 00:12

Rowlo, msg 35; how can you say that a united Cyprus won't work. 2 cultures, religions and beliefs. Look at UK, multi everything and it works, ask Alan Johnson.

rowlo



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Message Posted:
05/08/2009 00:36

minertor, read this book 1st , the death of friendship ,written by a british citizen , then for dessert read the genocide files , dessert may take a little longer to digest ,but once it has you,ll know what i mean , await your thoughts , ps yes take a good look at the uk ?????? thats probably why were here ,the answer is in the question , enjoy the books

yorgozlu



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Message Posted:
05/08/2009 00:48

When are you people gonna get it?



We dont want to live together again.!!



Has any of you been married ,got divorced, and went back with same women/men?



Rather stupidly "I have"



and guess what?



It didnt work,back to squire one,and if thats not enough "we are now worst enemies.







SEE HOW MANY OF YOU ARE GONNA GET "WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY"

rowlo



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Message Posted:
05/08/2009 00:52

hi yorgozlu, better the devil you know , i get what you,re saying , long live KKTC ,

yorgozlu



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Message Posted:
05/08/2009 00:56

thanks "rowlo"



re msg38

sorry if its little hursh

andre 514


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Message Posted:
05/08/2009 01:10

iin message 34 I was only pointing out that while no nation

has a monopoly of goodwill, (or evil for that matter)

both ireland and cyprus seem far better off at present partitioned

because it prevents conflict...

though I'd still agree with marks point that there must have been gc's with integrity



but trust the the gc's to rule the whole island again...

can I please not be expected to answer that because like mark, I am not a cypriot



anyway the way things are going, this is a question only for the theorists among us

Rottolover



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Message Posted:
05/08/2009 05:51

Hi sixems,



Thanks for the link. I read it all and really appreciated the undoubtedly true information. I believe it's a fact that, fortunately, war can bring out the absolute best in human beings as well as the unbelievable worst. Many stories like these came out of WWII too, and every one is heartwarming.



Unfortunately, the heroism and bravery of the few seems never to be able to outweigh the ugliness and bigotry of the many, and sadly it's in the bigger picture that we all must live.



Although the history of conflict is significantly less and the opposing religions are at least both Christian, it seems to me that Ireland is the closest thing to an example of how Cyprus could develop into a country of peace in the not-too-distant future.

catalkoykid


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Posts: 1190

Message Posted:
05/08/2009 07:56

http://www.brtk.cc/index.php/lang/en/cat/2/news/53075





The horrifying confessions of the Greek Cypriot commandoes came in a book written by Greek Cypriot writer Panikos Neokleous on the memoirs of former Greek Cypriot soldiers.



The book refers to the memoirs of 50 Greek Cypriots who were part of a commando battalion, which took many Cyprus Turkish fighters prisoner before killing them during the height of the fighting in 1974.



3 former troops from the battalion confessed to pushing to death 20 Cyprus Turkish fighters off a cliff whom they took prisoner.



The Cyprus Turkish fighters who were on defensive positions had been taken prisoners during a raid by the Greek Cypriot commandoes on the night of the 20th of July peace operation.

minertor



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Message Posted:
05/08/2009 08:23

Hi Rowlo, read Genocide files several years ago, still read passages now. Was "the death of friendship" the slim volume by a nurse, if so, read that as well. I'm in UK now until October, I can see it working. Can't keep up with who's who in Brown/Mandelson's government just now but I think Alan Johnson is Home Secretary,

He says everythings ok and he's a senior MP. Are you trying to tell me he's lying.

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
05/08/2009 11:29

Plectrum. Do you think this is Turkish propaganda?: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7695688617775364591

Baspinar Bob


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Message Posted:
05/08/2009 11:43

No1Doyen.



It apears you have found a means of silencing (them) , well done.



Bob.

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
05/08/2009 11:44

Bob, they only have to say Yes or No.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
05/08/2009 12:14

re msg 6



Lithunania



Are you talking to me !?



Just to let you know - I'm quite aware of the how some of the very ppl the UK entered the war to "protect" lost out .



I think we lost WWII - as if we joined to save Poland - WHY did it end up ( like many E . European and Baltic states) under / re -under Soviet control ?

jimmyG


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Message Posted:
05/08/2009 12:33

Minertor re : Msg 26 I'm afraid that you are quite wrong about mmmm's birthplace and am not sure what you hope to gain by questioning it ?

Troodo


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Message Posted:
05/08/2009 12:43

Plectrum, why don't you pluck off.

Troodo


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Message Posted:
05/08/2009 12:51

Sorry about that Mr Plectrum what I should have said was, did you not read Loucas Charalambous article in the Cyprus Mail. But of course he is a lying traitor.



Troodo.

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
05/08/2009 12:55

So it's propaganda then?



Thanks for responding, unlike Mark.

andre 514


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Message Posted:
05/08/2009 13:25

plectrum message 45



"only one of these countries - Cyprus - is partitioned

what are you trying to say?"



cyprus was divided in 1974 while ireland's partition was back in 1922



of course in both cases a powerful neighbour had a hand in it all...

for turkey, operation atilla in '74 and britain operation motorman in '68



both turkey and britain were supposedly protecting minority loyalists

in the north of each island, who now remain as the local majority:

turkey effectively hung on to north cyprus, and britain to the six counties



but with the passage of generations even the very idea of a "land divided"

becomes less and less tangible, however difficult that is for some to accept



I hope my would-be objective reply does not come across as patronising

minertor



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Message Posted:
05/08/2009 15:14

Jimmyg, I was born in England of Irish parents, 8th of 10. Still have and visit loads of relatives/friends from Ireland, spread from Cork via Drumkeeran, Carrick and Ballaghadereen in the South to a few in Port Stewart.

All my life I have heard about "the troubles". Family/friends in the South dream of a United Ireland. Those in the North are proud to be UK citizens, and want to stay such. I see the same problem here and many M's doesn't help the situation with his one sided posts. You only have to look at a map to see that Turkey would never allow Enosis, any more than England will allow N.I. to align with Eire. The GC's voted overwhelmingly against unification, the TC's about the same ratio the other way. Let them sort it out without input from us foreigners. All real Irish people will understand what I mean, they've lived it, are living it.

minertor



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Message Posted:
05/08/2009 15:18

ps JimmyG, what's it got to do with you anyway, are you manyM's daddy?, thought he could look after himself ok.

no malice intended

jimmyG


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Message Posted:
05/08/2009 15:57

Minertor, thanks for the 'history' lesson which was neither enlightening, asked for, or wanted, but as for what's it got to do with me - what gives you the right to question another's place of birth - and what's that got to do with you ?

No malice intended either by the way - life's too short ,and as you already know I'm sure - mmmm is more than capable of looking after himself.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
05/08/2009 17:50

re 24 Bill



Sorry to take so long, started to reply and someone called to say "tried to call you and your phone doesn't work" ..



JUST finished with BT- they told ME I had told THEM to disconnect it.. Er, NO that was only my WIFE's mobile - at no point did my contract one come into the equation .. GRRRRRRRRR



Ooops stick to the point ..



Yes, seen the video, met the man - Great, Brave guy... I note that at various times TCs / Turks have come fwd and are alleged atrocities and are labelled "insane" or "fibbers" ..



re 22, Yes it's me in June 2007.. tried to reply earlier, but lost the msg when I was "delayed" by BT.



"Normal" - please don't "insult" me.... there is NOTHING " normal" about me ;)



Born in Belfast of Co Longford / Welsh / Scots and Co.Antrim stock .. married to a "left-footer" for 10 years and encountered plenty of "crap" from both "tribes" .. ;)



>> Don't believe you hail from the Emerald Isle<<

>>puerile slanted rubbish<<



Not doing too well, today

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
05/08/2009 17:57

Thanks Mark for replying.



You said..."Yes, seen the video, met the man - Great, Brave guy... I note that at various times TCs / Turks have come fwd and are alleged atrocities and are labelled "insane" or "fibbers" ..



Do you think they are alleged atrocities Mark?

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
05/08/2009 17:57

cont from 51





Not doing too well, today, are we ? Do get back to me when you know something about me or Cyprus ;)



re 11 denflolad



This "prat" chose the article to demonstrate that there were brave Cypriots ( from both "tribes") , who stood up to the extremists ( from both "tribes")



It was an interesting article - and even if we all read the CY Mail - which I do - I had missed this..





I rather think the adjective (you TRY to apply to me) more likely applies to someone who sat in front of the keyboard and typed msg 11 ....

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
05/08/2009 18:15

Dear Bill



re msg 52



WHICH atrocities are you referring to - please be specific - list each one - and I'll deal with them - that's a guarantee.

CyprusSage


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Posts: 26

Message Posted:
05/08/2009 18:26

Doyen msg 52,



Pending MM's reply I would say that the atrocities highlighted are not alleged but fully documented. They took place without doubt as I know, having met the survivor mentioned and been to the villages many times over the years.



However, atrocities committed by both sides were taking place all over the island during this time of war. This incident cannot be considered in isolation, but must be placed firmly in context. At this time of dialogue and confidence building, anyone who persists in highlighting one incident against one side is IMO using the blood of innocent victims to score propaganda points.

rowlo



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Message Posted:
05/08/2009 18:28

msg 38 , minertor , they all lie mate , thats how the place is on its knees , they also steal ,

CyprusSage


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Message Posted:
06/08/2009 12:11

msg 56,



There are also good and honest people in the TRNC.

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
06/08/2009 13:11

Mark, in response to your message 54.



In message 51 - You said..."Yes, seen the video, met the man - Great, Brave guy... I note that at various times TCs / Turks have come fwd and are alleged atrocities and are labelled "insane" or "fibbers" ..



You mentioned the word atrocities in the video, therefore I asked in message 52 - "Do you think they are alleged atrocities Mark"?



Over to you!

ROBnJO


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Posts: 1289

Message Posted:
06/08/2009 15:03

Bill



You know Mark will come back with an evasive reply, or turn his answer into a question.





I'm surprised he hasn't given up the day job & moved into Politics!



I am however, impressed with his capability for evasion, diversion and frugality of direct response.



Ideal qualities for a Politician.

No1Doyen


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Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
06/08/2009 15:06

Rob. I'm sure there's a place for him in the new Government - he's only got to ask!