what a very successful two days protesting and a coup !

Aga Buyers A G


Joined: 04/10/2007
Posts: 488

Message Posted:
06/08/2009 11:46

This a rather brief resume of the happening – we will go into more detail over the next few days



http://latchfords.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!AED4FE7679CA3C33!2124.entry



ABAG

Aga Buyers A G


Joined: 04/10/2007
Posts: 488

Message Posted:
06/08/2009 16:18

We have now released a copy of the letter that was handed over:-



http://latchfords.spaces.live.com/default.aspx



and a new you tube video ;-)





ABAG

Vidal


Joined: 14/05/2009
Posts: 867

Message Posted:
06/08/2009 16:31

Well done all. You have my deepest respect for your actions and seeing this thing through.

Its much easier to sit and complain and let someone else do the hard work.



Good Luck to you and here's hoping you will get some sensible answers, many of which will be helpful to us all.

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
07/08/2009 19:02

Hi Aga Buyers,



I read with interest the article by Marion Stokes "Why this protest could ruin it for all" on the HBPG site.



http://www.hbpg-trnc.net/prelease.html



What is your reaction (and other forum members of course) to this?

burty1987


Joined: 21/07/2009
Posts: 79

Message Posted:
07/08/2009 21:11

I have to say I agree with the article.



The ABAG with banners "Don't buy in the TRNC" aren't doing anyone any favours, including themselves in my opinion.

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
07/08/2009 22:15

could someone please explain how they gauge the level of success they are referring too ,as

i have found it hard to see any level of success,in fact the opposite .



my sympathy goes out to all ,however i can,t see any success ,sorry.





musin



long live the kktc

vincehugo


Joined: 28/01/2009
Posts: 208

Message Posted:
07/08/2009 23:14

I too have every sympathy with the plight of the individuals but I don't agree with the way that they are going about resolving it. To suggest that no-one should buy property in the TRNC as a result of their experience is to ignore the many people who have successfully purchased in the TRNC and are happy with their decision. Yes, there are problems but expanding their own unfortunate experiences into generalities about the TRNC is not representative. Fortunately, looking at the photos it seems like it could hardly be described as a mass protest.



On a more specific point, I read the letter handed in to the North Cyprus London Office in an attempt to understand what it was they were after. 26 questions including "Why are you consistently and openly clearly violating basic Human Rights?" requiring a response from the Prime Minister within 48 hours! I wonder whether one they would expect a response from Gordon Brown to similar questions in 48 hours!

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
08/08/2009 00:18

I have mixed feelings. Marion is absolutely right in saying that the way forward is improving the communication between solicitor, builder and buyer and reaching a compromise, where possible.



But the Aga saga appears to have been going on for years. Have they not exhausted this approach? Surely human nature is such that having exhausted all avenues you start to think," I must look after myself and stop considering the impact my actions have on other potential buyers in the TRNC?"

Encouraging people not to buy in the TRNC, has an initial detrimental effect, but the long term effects may well be beneficial to property owners. When people no longer invest surely the government response will be to bring in laws that safeguard property purchase in order to promote a more vibrant market?

Lets face it most people don't buy in the TRNC because of the well publicised scams and lack of legal protection.

Have disgruntled buyers simply come to the end of the road? They tell it as i

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
08/08/2009 00:52

They tell it as it is?

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
08/08/2009 01:01

hiya BradusI agreee with you. Nobody has the right to put off potential buyers. We have lost out as you know but now writeni t down to experience. Only in this weeks CT it will be finished. We will wait and see. I would never think of spoiling anyone elses dream. In fact the knowledge I have gained I would help them as I do xxxxx

vincehugo


Joined: 28/01/2009
Posts: 208

Message Posted:
08/08/2009 01:19

Lilli,



I'm puzzled by your response. You say you agree with Bradus (who seems to be supporting the approach taken by the AGA Buyers) but then say that "Nobody has the right to put off potential buyers". Do you think what they have done is right or wrong?

vincehugo


Joined: 28/01/2009
Posts: 208

Message Posted:
08/08/2009 01:38

Hi Bradus,



Certainly agree that there are improvements that could and should be made in the buying process. And it would be great to see the TRNC Government take these things on board. But the underlying message is that people interested in buying property in the TRNC (or anywhere else "abroad" for that matter) need to do their research first. When you opt to invest in another country you are also buying into the culture and politics of that country (often as an escape from your country of origin). So it doesn't seem to me to be fair to turn round and blame the country's govenrment when things don't turn out as you would have expected (in your country of origin).

I think HBPG do a great job of publicising these issues - providing guidance to would-be buyers and "encouragement" to the TRNC Government to make improvements. Wheras blanket statements saying "don't buy property in TRNC" just damage an already fragile economy and a "nation" who, in my opinion, have been oppressed (cont)

vincehugo


Joined: 28/01/2009
Posts: 208

Message Posted:
08/08/2009 01:40

(cont) for too long and are trying to develop a viable way forward.

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
08/08/2009 02:05

Hi vince. Im so very sorry if I misled you what I tried to say you have summed up for me and I thank you. We lost money to this person but I would never try and stop anybody follow thier dream. I would ty to help. These peole are trying so hard on all our behalfs but I think Im trying to say that was one major coup we got sucked into. They do have great builders here as prev posts show and help and advice can be found now. Hope its clear now as I Think I have to go to bed xxxxxxxxxxxxxx Sorry love think my cstomers tonight were too genours offering me one for the road. Or motorway more like. Sorry xxxxxxxxxxxHowever Im still quite sad about it all nin fact a lot saD XXXXX

TheSaints



Joined: 28/01/2009
Posts: 1369

Message Posted:
08/08/2009 13:31

Well,



I agree with Vince on this one, there are a lot of people who already have thier property/investment and are happy, the minority that have lost out to rogue builders although they need action are not really doing themselves or the country any favours. If the economy improved then the government would have more means to help people in these situations.

Stubs


Joined: 01/07/2008
Posts: 641

Message Posted:
08/08/2009 14:21

The AGA saga has been going on for years and no end is in sight. Why should those people who have had money taken off them for products that have not yet been delivered stay silent?



It appears as though the government has done very little to help them. I'm afraid this is a prime example of some of the law makers protecting the law breakers.

scoobydoo


Joined: 10/11/2008
Posts: 2434

Message Posted:
08/08/2009 15:24

It's a very difficult situation that the Aga buyers are in and I for one am glad that I am not in it. What would I do if I was in their position? I don't know is the honest answer. When you have exhausted all avenues, as I guess they have done, what would be your final 'straw'? What would you do next?



On the other hand, I have got a leaning towards Vince's comments in so far as there are many people very happy with their life in the TRNC and putting potential buyers off is not going to help at all and again as Vince mentions the HBPG is working with everyone in order to help future buyers as opposed to just telling them not to buy.

cronos


Joined: 26/10/2008
Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
08/08/2009 16:14

Vince....msg 12..."When you opt to invest in another country you are also buying into the culture and politics of that country (often as an escape from your country of origin). So it doesn't seem to me to be fair to turn round and blame the country's govenrment when things don't turn out as you would have expected (in your country of origin)."



Most people DON'T expect the property buying process to be like it is in the UK.



But is it unreasonable not to expect a system that is corrupt , self-serving, and discriminatory against foreign buyers?

vincehugo


Joined: 28/01/2009
Posts: 208

Message Posted:
08/08/2009 17:25

Cronos,

I guess my point was that, in the first instance, (as I understand it) the problems faced by these ladies were as a result of the allegedly questionable business activities of AGA Construction rather than a specific failing of the government. Lessons should be learned and regulation/legislation improved to try and avoid similar issues in the future but the primary fault is not with the government.

cronos


Joined: 26/10/2008
Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
08/08/2009 17:29

Vince....I would imagine that the AGA ladies would consider the TRNC government to be complicit in their nightmare.