Ronnie biggs free comments

Bladerunner


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Message Posted:
07/08/2009 10:50

Ronnie biggs free .comments.

TRNCVaughan


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Message Posted:
07/08/2009 10:54

As long as this isn't some scam to let Max Clifford make a fortune for himself and Ronnie, I don't care.

smithy


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Message Posted:
07/08/2009 10:58

I think he should have been released Years ago,

If he did time for Murder/Rape being a Paedophile he would have been out in 10 years, but rob a bank and get 30 years that's a SHAM

The courts wanted to make an example for the embarrassment for the Biggest Robbery taken place ever, now Jack Straw has given the dying man a Parole HOW BIG OF HIM.

I know he did wrong but HEY what about Child Molesters and Rapist they get out and live a life again to do it OVER AGAIN, I feel very strongly about this, I hope his family have a little time with him,

sheila

Bladerunner


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Message Posted:
07/08/2009 13:13

Exactly smithy

maningi pusa


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Message Posted:
07/08/2009 14:35

Hear hear Smithy. Also the islamic extremists who walk British streets and are funded by Joe taxpayer.

Jeannie


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Message Posted:
07/08/2009 14:42

Sheila - agree with you 100% on this. To be, the punishment was totally disproportionate to the crime, but, as you rightly said, they wanted to make an example out of him.



J



xx

Coachie



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Message Posted:
07/08/2009 15:55

please do remember that a person died as a result of his actions. Should stay there till his death..sorry...

MaggieAndBernie



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Message Posted:
07/08/2009 16:05

Apparently Ronnie Biggs only played a small part in the actual robbery and wasn't the one who used violence on the driver. The prisons in UK are full to bursting & burglars are being let off with non custodial sentences. I agree with Smithy 100% and incidentally, how much does it cost to keep an old man in prison these days - not as if he was a danger to society. This country is/has gone to the bloody dogs - it's being run by imbeciles taking direction from a moron - the sooner we get to TRNC the better!

Maggie



Phew! I feel better for that rant! lol

fiendishpaul


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Message Posted:
07/08/2009 16:06

I am with you Coachie. The guard who died following the robbery has been largely forgotten. Ronnie also couldn't resist putting up 2 fingers to the law and it was only when he was taken ill and knew that he would receive medical treatment in the UK that he could not hope for in Brazil did he decide to go back. I fully agree that in light of sentences given today, his was a very long sentence, that said he has only ever served a few years of it !!!

Regards

Paul

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
07/08/2009 16:27

The whole British legal system needs overhauling.



A couple of weeks ago there was an article about a Jamaican woman who was caught drug smuggling to the UK. They put her in prison pending deportion and when the hearing came about she claimed she was now a lesbian and couldn't be sent back to Jamaica for fear of persecution despite having plenty of boyfriends in the past.



Who would fall for this? No doubt the british judges will and she'll be given leave to stay in the UK.

CyprusSage


Joined: 05/08/2009
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Message Posted:
07/08/2009 16:41

Biggs is a man who never showed a shred of remorse for his crime and utter contempt for the law. People like him have no place in our society. He's been let out to die so his relatives should be grateful. However, I can understand some people in the TRNC having sympathy for a low-life criminal.

andrew4232



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Posts: 1543

Message Posted:
07/08/2009 16:52

i think the things people are doing now are a lot worse, and doing no time for it all, am glad hes out maybe cause hes not black, lesbian , single parent or disabled they feel should be there to make the time up

minertor



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Message Posted:
07/08/2009 17:25

Coachie, how many drunk drivers that kill someone get 30 years, "Please remember that a person died because of his actions". I know that the drunk driver didn't intend to kill, but did Biggs? . No matter what's in a "killers" mind, dead is dead. Remember Flossy Forsyth, early 60's. You seem like a guy with a sheltered background, enjoy the plonk.

catalkoykid


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Message Posted:
07/08/2009 17:53

Jack Straw is a spiteful nasty little man who denied this sick man his freedom saying he showed no remorse, how could he for gods sake, the poor bugger couldn't speak and could barely move. The man who died in relation to this robbery died years later, so it shouldn't have been attributed to Biggs, he didn't hit him anyway and only played a small part in the robbery, this was political and nothing else...



Jack Straw should rot in prison along with most members of the government.



I hope he makes a full recovery..(not likely to though) and then laughs and sticks his fingers up to the right horrible Mr Straw!

CyprusSage


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Message Posted:
07/08/2009 17:55

Looks like Ronnie Biggs would be feted as a hero in the TRNC. How many other criminals end up here and how many of them are sticking up for this hoodlum?

Bladerunner


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Message Posted:
07/08/2009 18:38

All rapists murderers stick there fingers up to the law life 8 to 10 years remember baby p

Coachie



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Message Posted:
07/08/2009 18:40

minertor..I have not had a sheltered life,and i agree with you that drunk drivers who kill innocent people should be jailed for life,but alas drink driving is a driving offence and armed robbery with loss of life is criminal offence.So if you want to kill some one get pi...ed out o f your mind and run them over in your car. I have my opinion you have yours and like I have said before wine is better for you than that thing in your mouth..

smithy


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Message Posted:
07/08/2009 19:00

I here what you are saying Coachie

But answer me this

WHY did a little boy called Jamie Bulger die at the hands of two 10 year old ""so called boys"

Venerables and Robert Thompson, who have been released and have now been given different Identities and leading a normal life, what life did little Jamie have.

And you are saying that a guy (yes a robber) who didn't actually kill the guard, but who died 2 years later of a heart attack not related, even though they say it could have been, so kill a child, and get away with it

Rob a Train and get 30 years

I dont think so

sheila

smithy


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Message Posted:
07/08/2009 19:32

OH I did forget to say the boys did serve EIGHT YEARS for Murder !!!!!

Hector


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Message Posted:
07/08/2009 19:53

Yes, but how many train robberies have there been since they got 30 years?



The only reason Biggs came back to the UK was for the NHS treatment (NOT that anyone on THIS forum would do that of course).



Well he got his treatment. What difference is being in or out of prison making to him now? Remains in hospital, just means he isn't guarded any more.

smithy


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Message Posted:
07/08/2009 19:57

At least he will die a free man, thats what his family want, whether it be days/weeks he is FREE

adagirl


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Message Posted:
07/08/2009 21:03

no remorse. no release. He proved that crime does indeed pay............. He lived the high life for years and didnt show any compassion for that poor train driver.

Coachie



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Message Posted:
07/08/2009 22:06

Smithy ..I can see where you are coming from,but like I said a man died and Biggs was not in the least bit concerned.I would never allowed him back in this country.He has probably stashed his ill gotten gains away somewhere for his "family". You quite often find that people who live the high life abroad want to come back for free treatment rather than pay the bills where they are..He may not have actually killed Mr Mills but that still makes him guilty under british law as an accomplice to .murder.The lads who murdered the Bulger boy should not have been released Either.Far to early...

teatime


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Message Posted:
07/08/2009 22:19

Completely agree with Coachie on this one.

Wow, that was hard to say.....

fiendishpaul


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Message Posted:
07/08/2009 23:10

Coachie

Spot on.

I am amazed that people can defend Biggs. I agree that sentences these days are too light but had Biggs done his time, or at least a decent stretch of it and at leats shown some contrition for his crime, then he might get a bit of sympathy from me.

Paul

RedSnapper


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Message Posted:
07/08/2009 23:47

Murder a pensioner or rape a child and serve 4 or 5 years in progressively easier institutions but take the government for money and they will make you rot in a squalid gaol until you are nearly dead,

Jack Straw belongs in the Dickension days.

minertor



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Message Posted:
08/08/2009 08:59

Hi Coachie, maybe mentioning the plonk was a mistake, wasn't meant as an allusion to the drink driving. Love a glass or two myself. I think you're wrong about the criminality of causing death whilst under the influence though. I think it is a criminal offence, it's just not treated as such. Can you think of anyone convicted of this being treated harshly, whilst there are many that, whilst maybe not being locked up too long for what they did, they were treated much more harshly than others of the same ilk. ie Harry Roberts, the Krays, Biggs.

Should showing/feigning remorse shorten a sentence, Mary Bell, Myrah Hindley, Thompson and Venables. Until our justice system sets a more level playing field the arguments will continue, and I can't see Johnson and Straw being the duo to do it.

Coachie



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Message Posted:
08/08/2009 22:17

minetor..have it on good authority,IE. a police officer,that you can only be charged with a motoring offence such as "causing death by dangerous driving" maximum 10 years if you are under the influence.. Hindley was never let out she died in hospital and Brady will suffer the same. I am a great believer in the punishment fits the crime.You murder some one in premeditation you stay inthe nick for the rest of your natural,no parole.The victim gets no second chance so why should the criminal.



Tea time ..its not to difficult to agree with me..I might be a Socialist but I am not an idiot. Some will disagree with my last statement,but I think the same about them..

girne 29


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Message Posted:
08/08/2009 23:23

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/lawandorder/5989900/Ronnie-Biggs-should-rot-in-jail-says-Great-Train-Robbery-victims-grandson.html



The victims family should be heard. Dont think they are concerned at what sentences are handed out for recent crimes such as the Bulger case.The point is not the sentence, but the fact he is getting early release.The man never recovered from the injuries inflicted by greedy men. Did he send a letter from Brasil saying how sorry he was.

Were any glamour films or documentaries made about the driver's last years.



According to the parole board Biggs was totally unrepentant and had stated that Jack Mills received "a gentle hit".

Bladerunner


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Message Posted:
09/08/2009 09:42

How many murderers muggers rapists show remorse you can count on one hand .put in a luxury hotel opps sorry prison fed watered keep fit education counciling ect...ect ....and protection......ian huntly to name but afew .could all be out for the next world cup .If only they had robbed a train might never get out.

smithy


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Message Posted:
09/08/2009 09:59

100% agree bladerunner, people NO ANIMALS Like Ian Huntley will go free once he has convinced the authorities that he shows a bit of remorse what about the poor dear little girls Holly and Jessica he killed, what will their families have to say when he is walking around, and so on and so on, Biggs was not an animal as a lot of the lifers in prison, he bloody robbed a Train and he did not kill that guard.

I could go on about the other cases, but my opinion is half or maybe more of the Judges are perverts thats why they get away with it

sheila

craig2536


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Message Posted:
09/08/2009 11:59

Ronnie Biggs is free, yes he took part in one of the most sensational crimes in england in the last century. He and his life was glammerised by the tabloids.They are the ones the newspapers, that have created the urban myth that isw Ronnie Biggs. I am 100 percent certain he did not have a happy life. I know for a fact that many people used to go and give him money while he was in Brazil, for him to live and survive.

He is now a free man aged 80. maybe he will live to see christmas. He is absolutely no threat whatsoever to society. I think the british public do not need to spend anymore money on him being in prison.

Aussie


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Posts: 657

Message Posted:
09/08/2009 15:50

Whilst there is probably no point in flogging a dead horse by keeping him in jail in such poor health he effectively got off lightly for his crime. After all he spent the best years of his life living abroad and only returned when it suited him.



Aussie

smithy


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Message Posted:
09/08/2009 15:53

Aussie

Many people live here and still go back when it suits them to have free Medical Treatment, so whats the difference, only that we have paid NHS all our lives and now pay for treatment.

Troodo


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Message Posted:
09/08/2009 16:51

Ronnie Biggs was a drive, he never put a foot on the train. A thirty year sentence was vindictive. That is why so many people turned a blind eye, including myself.



Troodo.

Bladerunner


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Message Posted:
09/08/2009 17:01

Aussie he still done long enougth in jail for what he did .muggers and perverts get less

smithy


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Message Posted:
09/08/2009 17:13

Troodo well spoken 100%%%%% true

Lilli



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Message Posted:
09/08/2009 17:20

You know he shold be free to live his days with his family he negleted. Of course he should. Then they will make a film about it. More money for this family. Im so sorry I do not agree when the victims get nothing. Celebrity he may be but thaT IS OF NO CONSEQENCE to the other faMILY or the vitims of the money stolen. However I agree the british justice system is crap xxx

brandy sour


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Message Posted:
09/08/2009 17:27

He is doing what every body does stick two fingers to good old blighty but when things go wrong they are there quick smart waving their British passport for free treatment on the NHS because they can.

brandy sour


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Message Posted:
09/08/2009 17:29

He is doing what every body does stick two fingers to good old blighty but when things go wrong they are there quick smart waving their British passport for free treatment on the NHS because they can.

horselover


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Message Posted:
09/08/2009 17:37

err..who's ronnie biggs? is he supposed to be famous/ should he be? who care's? he hasnt touched my life and made it a better world.sorry

Bladerunner


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Message Posted:
09/08/2009 17:44

Film made allready 1960s not long after robbery black and white film cant see another being made .also dont most brits all over the world stick there fingers up at good old blighty then wave there passports and come back for treatment on the good old NHS

poetryanne


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Message Posted:
09/08/2009 20:56

Jack Mills died of Leukaemia and suffered trauma from the knock on his head -WITH AN IRON BAR. Ronald Biggs has been evading the law for decades after escaping from Wandsworth prison in 1965 and don't forget how he returned to England several times, and always in disguise, during the making of a documentary about the Great Train Robbery. He also recorded vocals on two songs for The Great Rock 'n' Roll Swindle, Julien Temple's film about the Sex Pistols. The basic tracks for "No One is Innocent"

In other words he was enjoying the fugitive life.

In Brazil Ronnie Biggs" mugs, coffee cups and T-shirts started to appear in tourist traps throughout Rio. He spent the next three decades as a fugitive and became something of a celebrity, despite having been a rather minor figure in the robbery itself.

He deserves everything they trhew at him!

girne 29


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Message Posted:
09/08/2009 22:40

Whats all this nonsense about far worse people getting so and so and Biggs getting 30 YEARS.

In those days people who did horrible things did get big sentences.



As for the 30 years ,he only did 15 months!!!,before escaping to Brasil.

In total he has done a couple of years,so stop comparing his 30 years that he didnt do with anyone else.

Coachie



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Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
09/08/2009 22:40

Biggs only got free treatment cos he was in jail.The ones that come from TRNC have not told the British authorities that they are no longer residing in the UK.They may have paid all their lives,but once you are not a resident here you are not entitled to free medical treatment on the NHS, british passport holder or not.One of these days someone over here will carry out checks and then the S..twill hit the fan.Justbe careful it is not you that they check on....

Lilli



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Message Posted:
09/08/2009 22:49

God will no w be his judge. when saint peter opens the gae and says train rober next staTION

Coachie



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Message Posted:
09/08/2009 22:57

Lilli..for want of something better you might say his days on the gravy TRAIN are numbered and not in £notes either...

Lilli



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Message Posted:
09/08/2009 23:03

oh my lovely coach rightb as usealll. i love you xxxxxxxxxxxx

Coachie



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Message Posted:
09/08/2009 23:09

Lilli ..I love you to,but dont tell my wife,she will kill me...

Bladerunner


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Message Posted:
10/08/2009 08:58

Poetryanne biggs did not murder anyone

titledeed


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Posts: 13

Message Posted:
10/08/2009 09:38

Minertor,

You sound very much like the person who gave biggs 30 years

Why get personal with Coachie,he gave his opinion,does not suit you,lock them up

Bladerunner


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Message Posted:
10/08/2009 12:08

Coachie mess 49 watch out she will only get 5 years crime of passion .lol.

poetryanne


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Message Posted:
10/08/2009 21:27

I know he didn't murder anyone.I didn't say he did! I just made the point that he was given a sentence by the courts and only spent 2 years in jail for it as he escaped. Then he stuck 2 fingers up to the establishment and has done ever since.

Coachie



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Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
10/08/2009 22:02

Bladerunner..I think I might fet away with it cos I am worth more alive than I am dead...

HildySmith


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Message Posted:
11/08/2009 13:51

The legal establishment here cares more about money than lives.

Look at the Baby P case - she could be out in 2 years and we will need a few million from the GTRobbery to give them new identities.

- Whenever cases come up about fraud and people taking money - they get very high sentences

- When someone kills/abuses/injures someone the get a few months or suspended sentences

What happened to the saying

'Let the punishment fit the crime'

I hope they are not in solitary confinement, now that they have been named

Bladerunner


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Posts: 204

Message Posted:
12/08/2009 14:07

Poetryanne yes he did not murder anyone but he served total of 10 years .so 30 years he entitled to be free.

AndyLynnW


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Message Posted:
12/08/2009 17:49

Press reports today are questioning Biggs sudden return to good health. He seems to have perked up.



Strange that isnt it ???????

minertor



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Message Posted:
12/08/2009 18:08

Coachie, tell yer copper mate to go back to training college, causing death by dangerous driving carries a maximum of 14 years. Nobody ever get's it, but that's the max.

rowlo



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Message Posted:
12/08/2009 23:28

your MPs are robbing more than he done ,every year you vote them in , and so another bit of GREAT BRITAIN dies , he robbed to survive , unfortunatly some one got killed , probably an accident , but hey theyre still sending our kids to die ,so they can rob ,and all in the name of GREED

Woodspeckie


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Message Posted:
12/08/2009 23:40

Rowlo. What about the Met Police. 1,183 Met Police employees broke rules governing the use of American Express charge cards. Sen Officers so overwhelmed by the number of cases they decided the card holders would not be punished, instead they were given "training & guidance". Scotland Yard chiefs agreed a secret amnesty.

Coachie



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Message Posted:
13/08/2009 00:05

rowlo,,He robbed for greed and no other reason.Our kids joined the forces to fight, if and when required,any where in the world.We do not vote MP,s in every year,I sometimes wonder where you are coming from with some of your statements. If you join the Armed forces you are fully aware of the possible outcome.I was and so was my eldest daughter. If you think the next government is going to stop it, dream on. They are fully committed to what is going on and voted with the Labour government to get involved. I no young lads are dying but that happens in time of conflict and I feel upset and sad for there families as much as the next person,but I do not think that is so they can rob us,as you say....

girne 29


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Message Posted:
13/08/2009 00:38

Rowlo

"he robbed to survive "



He lived in the uk, not Somalia.He robbed cos he was greedy and didnt fancy working the rest of his life for a living ,like the rest of us



He worked in the RAF, dishonorably discharged for desertion,and was ,I believe ,a carpenter when he decided to turn to crime. Hardly a street urchin!



I agree that some MP's are also criminals and think they should suffer the same penalty as any thief,but this is about Biggs.

minertor



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Posts: 1238

Message Posted:
13/08/2009 00:59

Just seen him on tv news at his party. Marvelous what the smell of freedom can do for a man, don't look like he's dying any more.

Does anybody think that he fooled us, again? the little cockney sparrer

Bladerunner


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Posts: 204

Message Posted:
13/08/2009 11:31

Some times the drugs old ill people are perscibed do make them look and feel ok steroids ext. happend to my grandad one minute ill the next chasing after a foot ball aged 75 died 76.

breezyboy


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Posts: 1179

Message Posted:
13/08/2009 11:59

Was Ronnie involved with this weeks £40m jewel robbery in London or was it a coincidence

minertor



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Message Posted:
13/08/2009 15:43

Hi titledeed, msg 51, not sure which posting you mean, and your post seems somewhat cryptic.

Would have contacted you but I see you are.

Gender - no comment

Marital status- ditto

occupation- ditto

e-mail- ditto

homepage ditto

I "sound very much like the person who gave Biggs 30 years"?????? can't understand how you reached that conclusion.

Can't really answer the second accusation, so many mistakes in syntax, tense, punctuation it looked like a quiz.

Seems to be about some personal attack on Coachie I think, if the blood/alcohol was inbalanced enough for me to do this Coachie, (haven't time to check all postings I've made) I apologise unreservedly.

ps us old'uns have to stick together

catalkoykid


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Message Posted:
13/08/2009 18:06

ronnie was just seen in a battle crusier near margate, big bag of money a bottle of champers, and a hooker on each arm,go ronnie go lol

Bladerunner


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Message Posted:
13/08/2009 18:30

Catalkoykid he realey must be in dreamland.lol.

Bladerunner


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Message Posted:
18/08/2009 11:12

Ronnie biggs in care home will poss be his last move

Bladerunner


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Message Posted:
18/08/2009 17:09

All so allowed to claim old age pention for the first time.

twoexpats


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Message Posted:
18/08/2009 17:23

My conscience tells me he should have spent the remainder of his time behind bars, my head tells me why should the British taxpayer be paying thousands of pounds each month to keep him there occupying a space that many more are deserving of.

Bladerunner


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Message Posted:
19/08/2009 17:18

There are plenty more ponses and scoungers in the uk which we all pay our taxes to keep ....

girne 29


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Message Posted:
19/08/2009 18:10

Bladerunner

Quite agree, dont seem to have a problem giving the head honcho of state subsidised RBS ,pay and bonus of 9 million.

loslobos


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Message Posted:
19/08/2009 21:04

He'd probably feel at home in TRNC

IvorBankloan



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Message Posted:
20/08/2009 16:52

I agree entirely, if he'd robbed an individual and not a state concern he woud have been out long ago. It is nothing more making a example of him.



My daughter's friend was pushing her car after running out of petrol and drunk driver hit them from behind.

The friend died instantly and the drunk driver did 6 months. Ronnie didn't kill anyone.