Jez - hairdresser at GHD (next to Starling)

Earlybird


Joined: 28/04/2009
Posts: 816

Message Posted:
15/08/2009 17:37

I have just found out that sadly he has ceased trading, such a shame as he was a good hairdresser. It seems he was unable to cancel his advance appointments, so anyone who has booked, he has now been closed down. He sends his apologies but was unable to contact people to let them know.

keithcaley



Joined: 13/06/2008
Posts: 2521

Message Posted:
15/08/2009 18:45

I just spoke to his wife, and unfortunately after complaints by other hairdressers (Nultan Oral and another) the Police have arrested Gez for operating with incomplete paperwork.

I know that he did have ongoing problems with documentation, but had understood that it was gradually being resolved.

The current situation is that Gez is in prison, and will be deported. His wife and family will also have to leave.

His wife is desperate for boxes and other packing material, if anyone can help her source these, please ring her on 0533 871 0369, or contact me keithcaley@yahoo.com / 0533 830 1835.

This is a crying shame, if only the police showed the same zeal with regard to rogue builders and crooked Advocates - I suppose that the problem is that he isn't anyone's cousin, and didn't grease any palms...

If anybody has any influence, or can help in any way, NOW is the time !

Keith.

Earlybird


Joined: 28/04/2009
Posts: 816

Message Posted:
15/08/2009 18:50

Well said Keith, wasn't sure how much I should say on here without getting bamboozled with comments. He was trying to earn an honest living to support his family and worked very hard doing it.

professoregit


Joined: 30/08/2008
Posts: 381

Message Posted:
15/08/2009 19:05

This is a real kick in the teeth for anyone trying to do the right thing re setting up a business here. I know

Jez had progressed well in getting the necessary work permits etc, in the face of some pretty jealous and vociferous opposition. My wife and myself having tried most hairdressers here thought he was the best. I

can't believe he has been locked up and is about to be deported!! I have a builder who has blatantly ripped

me off for the sum of £30,000. I have the contract, the proof, everything needed you would think to avail

an arrest and prosecution, but no, his mother is a judge and my neighbour and this bastard continues to

drive around in a porsche cayanne. Lets face it, this place really is rotten to the core.

weaze


Joined: 25/02/2009
Posts: 35

Message Posted:
15/08/2009 21:11

Thank you all for your kind words... he (Gerald) has been accused of having false certificates in order to open the business.. regardless of the accusations, Gez is overly qualified for this island, and always has been, unfortunately the police do not understand hairdressing and if they did they would realise that the qualifications that he holds are more than adequate to continue his hairdressing, he could open a business anywhere in the world apart from North Cyprus.. that’s not surprising though really..

weaze


Joined: 25/02/2009
Posts: 35

Message Posted:
15/08/2009 21:11

May i also add. The hairdressers in question, may I also mention Naciye from the cutting room who was the main instigator all of this, have failed to see the circumstances of their actions, or even had a second thought for our children. Gerald trusted Nulten, had a high regard for Nulten, he worked for her when we first moved here, when people slagged her off (Lots of people did and still do) he would defend her and never have a bad word to say. I know in some ways she was just doing her job but i think she could have handled the whole situation differently, and i know she has not done herself any favours as Gerald has a lot of support here.

I also just want to let Nulten know that he is in a cell which is about 3ft x 4ft, with no water or toilet, not even a matteress, and he is not even allowed his books to read, he will be there indefinatly at the moment. He is a kind gentle person, who does not deserve to be treated this way, i really hope you are happy with the outcome.

cronos


Joined: 26/10/2008
Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
15/08/2009 21:26

I know nothing of this story other than what you've told me on here,but I'm sure that people will vote with their feet as far as Nulten and others are concerned,and maybe cancel any appointments stating the reasons why.



I sincerely hope his ordeal is over soon and you can get on with your lives in a better place.

negativenick


Joined: 10/11/2008
Posts: 6023

Message Posted:
15/08/2009 21:38

for once, i'm speachless....

Jeannie


Joined: 04/08/2009
Posts: 3283

Message Posted:
15/08/2009 21:39

Like Cronos, all I know of this matter is what I have read on here.



I sincerely hope that this unfortunate affair results in a lot of 'positives' for you and yours in the long run and a lot of 'negatives' for those who instigated this. Let's hope what goes around comes around.



With all good wishes for the future.



As someone has recently posted on another thread, this place certainly seems 'rotten to the core' and getting more so.



Jean

Washerman


Joined: 19/09/2008
Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
15/08/2009 21:45

Not that it makes any difference in the circumstances, but is this guy British?

Washerman

negativenick


Joined: 10/11/2008
Posts: 6023

Message Posted:
15/08/2009 21:55

i think we need a comment from Dixie Normous.....

NatAless



Joined: 31/03/2009
Posts: 789

Message Posted:
15/08/2009 22:00

Having tried a lot of salons here I have overheard a lot of jealousy and bitchiness and gossip etc regarding other salons in business, this is completely un professional and immature.

Why can't the salons mind their own business and concentrate on keeping their clients happy instead of getting involved on what goes on elsewhere, the first thing they always say is who cut/coloured your hair last time etc and then try to make out they will do a better job and dig for information, this island really feels like a petty cliquey village at times, I had heard Jez was good but I had never been to the salon, I hope he gets out soon and puts his good work to use where it is appreciated and he is supported/helped not reported for goodness sake. This is a disgrace, first buying houses now setting up businesses, its a good thing most people come here to retire really as it seems the only thing they do agree with Brits doing here is spending money on food and drink!

Natx

Washerman


Joined: 19/09/2008
Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
15/08/2009 22:03

Natx, it does seem that way sometimes.

Washerman

jacktheladett


Joined: 01/07/2008
Posts: 528

Message Posted:
15/08/2009 22:23

Well this is pretty shocking and frankly, disgusting news, I was only in there a few days ago. Gez and his family do not deserve this, and if the other hairdressers are behind it, then I hope they are pleased with themselves.



Despicable.

bugsy


Joined: 16/05/2009
Posts: 114

Message Posted:
15/08/2009 22:33

whats going on on this island jez and family are only trying to make a living its despicable of these other hairdressers getting him shut down i for one wont be frequenting their salons.obviously they cant handle competition all our best wishes go to jez louise and family maybe these so called hairdressers have done them a favour life here is not like it was too much red tape and jealousy what happened to fair competition .

KentGirl


Joined: 09/11/2008
Posts: 200

Message Posted:
15/08/2009 23:19

I am so sorry to hear what has happened it just doesnt seem fair when you were trying everything possible to live by the rules of this Island.



I sincerely hope that things work out for all of you, and you all go on to bigger and better things, sometimes ( even though it doesnt seem it at the time) it can be a blessing in disguise



Best wishes to all your family

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
16/08/2009 01:08

Im so very sorry that this has happened to such a lovely guy. The people here can make or break you. I have never seen anything like here. Petty jealousy because they are cyps. makes my blood boil. I wish to god I had never steped foot on this island when I hear of this. OK take his buisness but to lock him up. I hope the people responsible will sleep in peace. I wont frequent any of those mentioned. Jez all the best to you sweetheart you tried your best but as usual to overqualifed for this piece of paradise xxx

smithy


Joined: 17/07/2008
Posts: 5301

Message Posted:
16/08/2009 08:05

Last time on one of these threads, slagging of ""who said this and who said that"" turned out to be untrue

I know of 3 Hairdressers who are not qualified to even cut hair, but they are still going on.

I dont know the circumstances about Jez and i do hope he gets out of jail very soon and reunites with his family

spangles


Joined: 22/10/2008
Posts: 411

Message Posted:
16/08/2009 09:05

I agree with everything that has been said, especially Weaze's comments about Jez. I have been to many hairdressers here, including Nulten, and Jez was the best. As for qualifications - one Turk who cut my hair at a well known salon admitted he came here to work in the casinos but couldn't get a job. The other said he hadn't been taught he had just picked it up! I don't think either of these have been jailed!

professoregit


Joined: 30/08/2008
Posts: 381

Message Posted:
16/08/2009 09:18

In a recent thread membership and effectiveness of the BRS was called into question. I have no real opinion

of the BRS either way but this is a situation where the BRS could prove itself and help this guy and his family

out. He's sitting in a cell (indefinately) awaiting deportation because they don't recognise/beleive his

qualifications? Is this really 2009?

weaze


Joined: 25/02/2009
Posts: 35

Message Posted:
16/08/2009 09:33

They can't help..we are not members...thanks for the suggestion though.

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
16/08/2009 10:03

Thats terrible they cant help as you are not a member. What the hell are they for. Can the High Comminision help you. Good luck x

Washerman


Joined: 19/09/2008
Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
16/08/2009 10:05

If you had been Members, what could they have done?

Does anyone know?

What about the British High Commission, can they do anything?

Has Jez been charged with an offence?

Washerman

weaze


Joined: 25/02/2009
Posts: 35

Message Posted:
16/08/2009 10:09

nope, no charges made at all... no one has spoken to him or taken statements.. because they are shut!! he is however being treated as if he had murdered someone.. all he did was cut hair! work hard and try to support us..

bugsy


Joined: 16/05/2009
Posts: 114

Message Posted:
16/08/2009 10:13

what has jez actually done to warrent being locked up indefinately so if paper works not upto scratch does that make him a criminal what about all the rogue builders who have re mortgaged peoples houses now thats criminal!!! anything we can do to help please let us know seems one rule for them and one for us immigrants eh!!

Washerman


Joined: 19/09/2008
Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
16/08/2009 10:13

Does anyone know how long he can be held without charge?

Has he been told that he is being deported and why?

Washerman

professoregit


Joined: 30/08/2008
Posts: 381

Message Posted:
16/08/2009 10:18

The BRS I have read, are seen by the Government as the defacto representatives of

all British Residents regardless of membership. As such, and given the serious nature

of this incident the BRS really should get involved. This could happen to anyone members

of not.

Washerman


Joined: 19/09/2008
Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
16/08/2009 10:18

Professorgit.....here, here!

Washerman

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
16/08/2009 10:20

Get Stephen Day on the case. With his influence they should be able to help. They cant just wash this away.

Washerman


Joined: 19/09/2008
Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
16/08/2009 10:22

Lilli - no pun intended

Washerman

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
16/08/2009 10:25

Hi washerman No just got carried away. I just cant beleive all this. Nobody can help them that is so sad.

Washerman


Joined: 19/09/2008
Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
16/08/2009 10:32

Everyone feels bad about this and feels sorry for Jez and family, but before anything can be done (if anything can be done) - these questions need answering.

1. When he was arrested, was he cautioned and told why he was being arrested?

2. Has he been allowed to see a legal rep'?

3. Has he been told that he is being deported and why?

Washerman

weaze


Joined: 25/02/2009
Posts: 35

Message Posted:
16/08/2009 10:40

1. friday...& no not really..

2. Not one that works at the weekend! does anyone work at the weeend..

3. and again..no not really..

weaze


Joined: 25/02/2009
Posts: 35

Message Posted:
16/08/2009 10:41

* weekend!

maningi pusa


Joined: 07/09/2008
Posts: 120

Message Posted:
16/08/2009 10:44

My wife who is one of Gez's customers heard about this yesterday and I must admit I was a bit sceptical of the story, but having read the preceding posts it just goes to confirm my dark thoughts about having made the decision to retire here. What a ghastly mistake! I have lived in african countries where corruption is the norm but this place could put them all to shame.

bugsy


Joined: 16/05/2009
Posts: 114

Message Posted:
16/08/2009 10:45

can jez get legal representation i am sure we will all try and help out financially with a donation as you never know when its our turn so come on everybody dig deep talks cheap lets help out a fellow countryman who is in dire straits

Washerman


Joined: 19/09/2008
Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
16/08/2009 10:52

I think that you will have to wait until tomorrow morning to see what is going to happen.

Arresting on Friday and holding over the weekend, is standard practice, even in the UK.

Tomorrow, I doubt that he will continue to be held without being told what is going to happen and either, cautioned and charged or, told that he is being deported.

Have the Police any reason to be making further enquiries/investigations?

Washerman

professoregit


Joined: 30/08/2008
Posts: 381

Message Posted:
16/08/2009 10:54

Surely there must be someone online with good connections to the BRS higher echelons? Come on BRS

do something!

weaze


Joined: 25/02/2009
Posts: 35

Message Posted:
16/08/2009 10:54

who knows what the police's reasons are for anything....

angeypangey


Joined: 25/06/2008
Posts: 26

Message Posted:
16/08/2009 11:16

Despicable behaviour from other hairdressers who obviously cant handle good competition. No way will I ever frequent their salons or recommend them to anybody. Nulten should hang her head in shame, Gez was an employee of hers who left many years ago and to this day has never had a bad word to say. I hope the people responsible rot in hell not only for putting Gez through this ordeal but for having no consideration for his kids or Louise. They are the first family I ever met in Cyrus some 6years ago and they have fought and struggled with this place since day 1 and been some of the most loyal friends I've ever met.

As for the authorities over here, shame on you for treating people in this way. No toilet, no mattress, no water and no information, its a disgrace and lets not even get into human rights. BRS? High Commission?

I agree 100% with the sentiments of this place being rotten to the core. Time for some serious thinking on the future.



Keep your chin up Lou,you have 100% support

Earlybird


Joined: 28/04/2009
Posts: 816

Message Posted:
16/08/2009 11:16

Weaze, you say that he hasn't been charged,



"According to Article 5 of the The European Convention on Human Rights:



"Everyone who is arrested shall be informed promptly, in a language which he understands, of the reasons for his arrest and of any charge against him." and "everyone who has been the victim of arrest or detention in contravention of the provisions of this article shall have an enforceable right to compensation."



This is a case against Turkey as they run the TRNC Police and as Turkey are trying to enter the EU, they try to adhere to EU law.



If you have been denied access, are you certain he has not been charged? I think you need legal representation, as a lawyer should be able to gain access immediately.

heaven


Joined: 24/06/2009
Posts: 88

Message Posted:
16/08/2009 11:20

I am terribly shocked about Jez, I was due to see him next week. Jez my heart goes out to you and your family, not only are you a fantastic hairdresser but a really really wonderful Guy. You will be a great loss to us all and I sincerely wish that this could be sorted out. I will call your home later.

tonyanita



Joined: 13/02/2007
Posts: 25

Message Posted:
16/08/2009 11:42

We are not sure if Gerald has been actually charged or not. the lack of information is a real problem. The conditions are deplorable. He is not a murderer and does not deserve to be locked in solitary. We can take him food and water but are allowed no physical contact. he is not even allowed a book to read. I know it is the law of the land but the phrase 'human rights' comes to mind. We will have to wait to see what happen in court tomorrow but we need to find out what time he is appearing in order that a friendly lawyer can be there to fight his corner. It has made me feel so proud of my darling son and his lovely family to read so many kind words about him, thank you all for you support.

Washerman


Joined: 19/09/2008
Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
16/08/2009 11:59

I'm afraid that there is little that you can do to challenge what is happening to Gez.

TonyAnita - you must be devastated.

Do you know that he is definitely appearing in Court tomorrow?

The BRS will be doing something behind the scenes - surely?

Washerman

hilmi


Joined: 27/02/2008
Posts: 62

Message Posted:
16/08/2009 12:19

There are many people who read this board but for various reasons do not post messages. I have quite a few friends who are customers of Jez and we want him and his family to know we are all thinking of them. He is a great guy and a superb hairdresser.





If there is anything constructive any of us can do to help please post on this board and we will all try to help.

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
16/08/2009 12:20

Tonyanita my heart is heavy for you. Ifit was my son I would be proud also.I think we all want to help but feel helpless here. Washerman I hope the BRS are doing something surely someone can get him a lawyer Tell him to remain strong.

stellasstar1



Joined: 02/07/2008
Posts: 1519

Message Posted:
16/08/2009 12:58

Does he have any Cypriot friends that have friends that can help him. It is a frightening thing to think that at any time you can be hauled off to prison, and be kept in such awful conditions. Thi is where having Cypriot friends can help so much, because even if they don't know someone, they could well have frien ds tat do. When I spoke to a Cypriot friend this morning about this, she said yes that is normal, being kept in prison with no toilet, food or water. I do hope this is all sorted out very quickly on Monday. My best wishes to all the family. I will certainly stick to Neil Anthony, as I have never heard him gossip about another hairdresser(everybody else,... yes, but hairdressers no!)

Washerman


Joined: 19/09/2008
Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
16/08/2009 13:05

We gave it up so easily, most of us, without thinking - the freedom to speak, to criticize, to demonstrate, to vote, the right to fair treatment, a fair hearing, the presumption of innocence and equality in the eyes of the law.

We all had our own reasons for leaving the UK, but when we were deciding whether or, not to make the move, I doubt that many of us considered the possibility that one day, we may find ourselves in this sort of situation.

Advice: buy some black plimsoles and a very long wooden rod - it seems that all of us will be walking the tight-rope for some time to come!

Washerman

burty1987


Joined: 21/07/2009
Posts: 79

Message Posted:
16/08/2009 13:30

Thought's are with this guy at this very hard time.



Although, when I was 17 I was held by Humberside Police for 3 days WITHOUT CHARGE after they thought I had bottled someone.



Arrested 10pm Saturday, released without charge 11.30am Monday. Hopefully he will be bailed/deported tomorrow. It seems you are able to visit him, keep his spirits up, keep him fed and he will be OK.



At least the police are letting people see him (even no physical contact), in the UK you are not allowed visitors when arrested.

Earlybird


Joined: 28/04/2009
Posts: 816

Message Posted:
16/08/2009 13:31

Anita and Louise, when you do get to speak to him please pass on all our thoughts and good wishes and let him know how respected he is as a master of his trade and let him know he has many many supporters, not that we can do much at present.

hattikins


Joined: 17/02/2008
Posts: 2793

Message Posted:
16/08/2009 13:38

Jez must be a damned good hairdresser if these low lifes are so worried about the competition, some of the hairdressers I have come across here couldn't trim my hedge properly, are they qualified, cypriot style I expect.

It would appear that some TC,s want the Brits to spend their money here but God Forbid they should want to earn a living, legally at that.

I sincerely hope that this dreadful matter is sorted out very quickly with as little distress as possible for those concerned. I also hope that people with any sense of decency will boycott Nutlen Oral and The Cutting Room for their disgusting behaviour.

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
16/08/2009 13:47

hattie i think we are all with you on this. I pray they get it sorted soon xx

edmund


Joined: 05/02/2008
Posts: 33

Message Posted:
16/08/2009 13:49

Business paper formalities aside, the issue that is upsetting me is that the man has been incarcerated in very unsavoury conditions for not having his (allegedly very high and extensive in UK) 'qualifications' recognised in TRNC.



Since when did you need qualifications to be a hairdresser. Come on!!! Certainly not in UK or US or anywhere else that I can think of; if you are teaching the subject at a college I am sure that they would be required, but not actually necessary BY LAW.



Fair enough, if his paperwork is not in order, then close his premises, hold his passport so he cannot do a runner until the matter is settled, but not put him in prison for God's sake.



.../cont

edmund


Joined: 05/02/2008
Posts: 33

Message Posted:
16/08/2009 13:53

... cont

If professional credentials are so important for jobs such as hairdressing in TRNC, then what qualifies farmers to become builders, media studies graduates to be estate agents and waiters to become gardeners etc. out there?



Incidentally, try as I might, I cannot recall any part of my extensive training which equipped me to run a state airline.



It would seem that this is an act of professional jealousy and protectionism which has gone horribly wrong.



Edmund

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
16/08/2009 13:53

Although I do not condone what has and is happening with regards to the police and imprisonment, there is one fact that everyone is forgetting and that is he was operating from day one illegally.

I feel sorry for Gez and his family but it is not the first time this has happened (remember the Petches?) and it will not be the last time.

Lets hope it all gets sorted soon.

AJ

heaven


Joined: 24/06/2009
Posts: 88

Message Posted:
16/08/2009 13:54

Spoke with the BRS they are involved, through Jez's mother, trying to help, also they have been trying to get in touch the the BE and other people who may have contacts to try and help.

Earlybird


Joined: 28/04/2009
Posts: 816

Message Posted:
16/08/2009 13:56

AJ do you know this for a FACT??

Washerman


Joined: 19/09/2008
Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
16/08/2009 14:05

AJ...Agree with your sentiments re: treatment etc., but the original post said that he had ceased trading, did he not have a business/work permit? I understood that he simply didn't have his paperwork complete.

If this is correct, whilst I sympathise with Jez and his family, they must have realised that one day, something like this would happen (especially when in competition with 'legal' businesses)

If this isn't a wake up call for all the other 'illegals,' I don't know what is?

Washerman

AndyP



Joined: 18/04/2008
Posts: 517

Message Posted:
16/08/2009 14:09

I cannot believe what I have just read...



Regardless of whether he was working illegal or not, the crime he has committed surely does not warrant being locked up in a prison cell under such bad conditions.



Perhaps, this is the time we should stand up for our human rights and join forces and protest. Can you imagine if the UK locked up a foreigner under such conditions. I see post 56 says that the BRS are involved, let's hope that they can do something for Gez, rather sit around drinking tea all day and pretending that they are important. Let's see some action!!!

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
16/08/2009 14:10

Talk is cheap everyone!

Where is your right attitude gone.(All for one,one for all)

Get together and go down there,with enough of you,someone would have to do something.



Demand for his releise!

Demand to see him!



His got wife and kids at home,and you are sitting in front of your computer!!!

Do something pleaseeeeeee.

Beleive me,I've been there,and there is nothing worst then feeling on your own in the middle of an ocean.





Apologies if my words are a bit hursh,i'm very upset



If you want to be heart,YOU MUST SHOU

on here no one can hear you.

GO AND BAIL HIM and BRING HIM HOME TO HIS KIDS!!!

hattikins


Joined: 17/02/2008
Posts: 2793

Message Posted:
16/08/2009 14:10

AJ, We all know there are people who are working illegally, I presume that Jez was paying his taxes unlike many others. He was a hairdresser for Gods sake, he wasn,t impersonating a doctor, dentist, policeman, deal with the issue yes, but lock the guy up and put him and his family through all of this, well out of order !!!!

AndyP



Joined: 18/04/2008
Posts: 517

Message Posted:
16/08/2009 14:12

Agree totally with MSG 60



Someone needs to take charge and organise something and we must all stick together.

Ozbey


Joined: 04/03/2009
Posts: 304

Message Posted:
16/08/2009 14:17

AndyP and hattikins,

I thought AJ agreed with you re the police action, and he also expressed his sorrow. Read AJ again.



Very good post AJ

keithcaley



Joined: 13/06/2008
Posts: 2521

Message Posted:
16/08/2009 14:17

Just to repeat what I said earlier -

His wife is desperate for boxes and other packing material, if anyone can help her source these, please ring her on 0533 871 0369, or contact me keithcaley@yahoo.com / 0533 830 1835.

A tape gun would be handy as well.

Penny, thank you for your call.

cronos


Joined: 26/10/2008
Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
16/08/2009 14:17

When things like this happen you begin to question whether North Cyprus is as "westernised" and democratic as we had all hoped.



I only use my place for holidays,but I'm sure that Jez's plight will be making a lot of ex-pats question their decision to adopt TRNC as their new home.

professoregit


Joined: 30/08/2008
Posts: 381

Message Posted:
16/08/2009 14:24

Messages 59 & 60, total agreement here. AJ so there is a law that states it is a CRIMINAL offence to

operate a business without the relevant qualifications? Can you imagine what would happen if the law

really took that one seriously! Teachers, half the Barbers in Girne, Builders, Plasterers, Mechanics, etc,

the list goes on. If they were all arrested they'd fill all the empty and half finished houses 10 fold.



This was aimed at a successful Brit trying to make an honest living.

AndyP



Joined: 18/04/2008
Posts: 517

Message Posted:
16/08/2009 14:24

Ozbey MSG 63



When did I mention anything about AJ? Perhaps you should read the posts again!!

Washerman


Joined: 19/09/2008
Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
16/08/2009 14:26

There is no excuse for what 'we' perceive to be harsh treatment, but I'm afraid that this is how things are here. I can name several Turkish Cypriots that have been subjected to the same 'conditions' after falling foul of the law. Very recently, a local (well known) TC businessman and his wife, suffered a similar fate.

The original post said that he had ceased trading and that he had some problems with documentation. Everyone (quite rightly) was disgusted that this could happen because Jez's paperwork isn't up to date, but now, we discover that (maybe) he wasn't trading/working legally.

This doesn't excuse the treatment that he is receiving, but it does throw a different light on the matter.

I think we all better wait to see the outcome tomorrow.

Washerman

Ozbey


Joined: 04/03/2009
Posts: 304

Message Posted:
16/08/2009 14:29

AndyP,

Your mess 59, you wrote "I cannot believe what I have just read... "



I though you were referring to AJ mess 55.



What were you referring to then?

Washerman


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Message Posted:
16/08/2009 14:30

I'm afraid that I would need to know the facts before getting involved in organising a posse. As far as Brit's sticking together, you've more chance of juggling soot!

Washerman

AndyP



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Message Posted:
16/08/2009 14:37

Ozbey, Re MSG 69

I was referring to the what this thread was about, like everyone else. If I refer to a particular MSG, I make reference to that message in my reply.



Anyway, this is detracting from the thread.



Re MSG 70

Unfortunately, I think you are right. Shame because most people will sit and moan, especially on here but will not get off their backsides to do anything.

keithcaley



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Message Posted:
16/08/2009 14:43

Washerman,

As I understand it:

Technically one should not operate a business without every single piece of paper being in order, including professional certification. Gez told me that he was in frequent communication with the authorities about outstanding documentation, and believed that it was slowly being resolved. It is not as if he was operating clandestinely with the intention of not complying with the law.

Could I give you an analogy?

How many of us have bought and paid for our houses, and are in fact living in them, when we have not received our 'Permission to Purchase'?

Yet the law clearly states that PTP must be obtained BEFORE purchasing a property.

If the law was followed to the letter, hardly any of us would be here, and hardly any businesses would be operating.

It is very easy with the benefit of hindsight to say 'he should have known better' etc.

This is not the time for such comments, what is needed at this moment is PRACTICAL HELP - what are you doing to help?

AlsancakJack



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Message Posted:
16/08/2009 14:55

Earlybird

Message 57

I do not normally get involved in debates like this but when a person opens a salon and takes in customers and tells them that he is still waiting to get his paperwork sorted out and has the shop windows plastered with 'opening up soon' banners then that tells me that he is working illegally. I will add that I do not care one iota what and how people live their lives, if someone wants to work illegally then that is their decision and they will have to sort out any problems that arise. All I am doing is just reminding people that there are other factors involved and if you read my previous posting again you will see that I do not agree with the way he and his family have been treated.

I have also just witnessed a mainland Turk having his work permit withdrawn and after building up a successful garden landscaping business he now has to return to Turkey with nothing to show for his endeavors and all because he tried to recover monies owed to him but he tried to do

Washerman


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Message Posted:
16/08/2009 15:02

Again, no justification for the treatment and conditions, and I doubt that they are treating Jez any different to anyone else, but if Jez is not completely legal (for whatever reason) and there is a case to answer, there is very little that anyone can do except hope.

Email me off board if I can help Jez's family in 'any' way.

Washerman

negativenick


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Message Posted:
16/08/2009 15:19

as my old Grandad used to say:



"they 'aye gorra bloody clue"....

AlsancakJack



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Message Posted:
16/08/2009 15:36

continued from posting 73:



tried to do it the wrong way.

AJ

exnavalperson


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Message Posted:
16/08/2009 16:04

I have known gerald since he was the ONLY honest person working for a disreptuble estate agent and we bought our house through him.





Although I have not read thoroughly all the proceeding mesages, but have learned enough to know what is happening and I give you my thoughts on the matter--



1. B. R. S. will not help him. As far as I can see they have never helped ANYBODY, and since their mouthpiece Stephen Day joined them they have done NOTHING

2. This Nulty person should give an account of herself about the accusations against her. I DO NOT THINK SHE WILL!

3. The british high commission will do nothing, they do not even recognise the T.R.N.C.

4. Gerald has been shafted and I am very, very sorry to say, mainly by his compatriots.

AlsancakJack



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Message Posted:
16/08/2009 16:21

exnavalperson



' 4. Gerald has been shafted and I am very, very sorry to say, mainly by his compatriots. '



I have been trying to bite my lip on this one but I agree that Brit expats need to look a bit closer to home on this one.

keithcaley



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Message Posted:
16/08/2009 17:13

Washerman,

Thank you.

Keith.

gooligan


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Message Posted:
16/08/2009 17:15

AJ,exnavalperson,Did you read msg 6 from Geralds wife?

gooligan


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Message Posted:
16/08/2009 17:19

Keith,I can get my hands of some packing stuff,mate of mine had a container delivered last week and has some boxes and things.How soon does she want them?

TRNCVaughan


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Message Posted:
16/08/2009 17:29

msg 77 and 78,



Please clarify item 4...

AlsancakJack



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Message Posted:
16/08/2009 18:45

As per usual there is an awful lot of speculation on this thread and as per usual it is Brit expats causing the problems. For those that are trying to help the family then I would suggest starting another thread and it will be moderated and anyone that tries to take the thread off topic will have their postings deleted.

Over to you Keith.

This thread will now be closed because of the impending court case.

AJ

AlsancakJack



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Message Posted:
16/08/2009 18:46

This thread is now closed. Reason: Not specified.