Statement from NULTEN ORAL ref GEZ

kicks


Joined: 16/08/2009
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Message Posted:
16/08/2009 20:56

This is my first and ONLY post so let me set the record straight.

While everyone unjustly bad mouths me i did not instigate this issue but the head of the Hairdressers Union and Small Business Association approached City and Guilds as they understood Gez was working on FAKE certificates and did not therefore have the necessary qualification to open a salon, although they were sufficient to operate as a Hairdresser. City and Guilds confirmed the certificate was a FAKE. I was ordered to the Education Minister and the Police Station as i run the only City and Guilds approved training center in North Cyprus. This upsets me too but please get your facts straight before libelling me.

Maz


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Posts: 1924

Message Posted:
16/08/2009 21:03

Thanks for stating your side of things - we all need to hear both sides, and accusations donothing to settle the dust whatever the rights and wrongs. But why the heck did the man have to be slapped in jail? As one of the many yabanci out here, it does seem to be somewhat unfair in the way the law is handled (but I gtuess that can be said of other countries too) and of course it does little to encouracge more yabanaci to buy into 'Paradise'. Also for me, please, could you explain what the difference is in having qualifications which enable one to operate as a hairdresser, but NOT able to open one's own salon? Why the difference. Surely if there are disatisfied customers they wouldn't continue in business for long. Is this some strange law here? Help. I, and many olthers, do want to know why this has happened the way it has, when GEZ has been around here for such a long time. Thanks in advance for any clarificatin you can give.M

jackjill


Joined: 16/08/2009
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Message Posted:
16/08/2009 21:10

I believe producing any form of fake document is liable to legal action, correct me if I am wrong. Satisfaction has nothing to do with the matter. Its not the clients who decide, its the law. As in the UK, you need a Lvel 3 City and Guilds diploma to open a salon.

hattikins


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Message Posted:
16/08/2009 21:12

So you get thrown in jail for that do you, God help anyone who really breaks the law, what then, off with his head !!!!!

dizzycows


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Message Posted:
16/08/2009 21:15

Fake, fraud documentation! well most of the builders and advacats would fill the jails, they only pick on 1 little person, as 1 person cannot shout as loud as the many others! makes you want to laugh at the stupidity of it all. lol

burty1987


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Message Posted:
16/08/2009 21:23

So his fake certificates where OK for him to work in a salon, but not to own/run one?

jackjill


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Message Posted:
16/08/2009 21:26

Burty1987, you may work in a salon with a C&G Level two certificate since the Turkish equivalent is called a 'kalfalik' which means senior stylist. However you must have an 'ustalik' equivalent to a Level 3 Advanced C&G Diploma to operate a salon. Hope this helps

burty1987


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Message Posted:
16/08/2009 21:28

***Gez was working on FAKE certificates and did not therefore have the necessary qualification to open a salon, although they were sufficient to operate as a Hairdresser***

burty1987


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Message Posted:
16/08/2009 21:29

That is what i was asking!

negativenick


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Message Posted:
16/08/2009 22:55

"load of bo@@ocks" as my old Uncle Percy used to say...

Lilli



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Message Posted:
16/08/2009 23:00

I have been in my hairdressers here and not once seen a certificate. Nulteen does NVQs are these regonised here in TRNC or indeed elsewhere

Lilli



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Message Posted:
16/08/2009 23:07

Didnt Nulten employ him with fake certificates or what

erolz


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Message Posted:
17/08/2009 00:50

Assuming the first post in this thread is from Nulten - which is far from clear.



You say that it was the head of the Hairdressers Union and Small Business Association approached City and Guilds as they understood Gez was working on fake certificates.



How did they come to understand this ? Clearly someone informed them. The number of people who would know about his qualifications and have a motive to cause trouble for him is a very small number, maybe as low as 2 people.



Can you state here in public categoricaly that you made no representations to the Hairdressers Union about Gerald ?

burty1987


Joined: 21/07/2009
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Message Posted:
17/08/2009 00:58

Lilli, that's my question, which doesn't seem to of been answered!

erolz


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Message Posted:
17/08/2009 01:07

Liily and Burty - the accusation being made by kicks and jackjill (whoever they actualy are) is that Gerald had sufficent City and Guilds qualifications to allow him to work in someone elses salon but not sufficent to allow him to operate his own, according to TRNC regulations.



No accusation has been made that he did not or does not have sufficent qualifiactions to work in their salons, just that he does not have sufficent to open his own in competition with theirs.

alexander


Joined: 28/01/2009
Posts: 3

Message Posted:
17/08/2009 01:49

Spot on dizzycows.



It is so sad when other can get away with fraud and deception. It appears the salon had a lot of very happy customers and they did not get ripped off.



This part of the island really needs to get its act together before all the brits leave.



The Wild West comes to mind.

yorgozlu



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Message Posted:
17/08/2009 02:07

re msg 16



"This part of the island really needs to get its act together before all the brits leave"





"The Wild West comes to mind"



I agree that there are lots of wrongs in TRNC,



But,are you suggesting that,the TRNC government should allow people to operate illegaly?





"getting ripped off"



The only people that got "ripped off in TRNC are the ones that paid for their houses and never got them or had them sold to more then one person(expats and TCs)



As far as others getting "ripped off" for other reasons,things....etc...

"There is always asking before buying"or"window shopping before buying"as they say in uk



I could have got my house cheaper,if I had offered lower price!!!!!



eeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrrmmmmmmmmmmm





may be..........

Jeannie


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Message Posted:
17/08/2009 02:08

If all this City and Guilds mullarkey is to be believed (and I have no reason to doubt it - after all, it is N.C.) I cannot believe that this bloke has been chucked into nick because he is operatin as a salon owner, without the 'necessary qualifications'. Jesus wept (and well he might, as my old Mum used to say). This is Northern Cyprus. Since when have 'grades' of C & G come into things?



I cannot believe that the TRNC 'authorities' are that concerned about what 'grade' someone has reached within the hairdressing world. I feel it would be different (understandably) if, say, someone were taking people scuba diving and they were not suitably qualified (a possible life and death situation) but cutting hair? As has been illustrated on this thread, Gez was 'qualified' to undertake hairdressing.



The sooner I can sell our place (don't tell him indoors, although I think even he is coming round to it now) the better! Anyone fancy a very large, fully furnished , etc.etc.......

tonyanita



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Message Posted:
17/08/2009 07:47

I am a trifle confused as the posting [supposedly] by Nulten is from 'kicks' - who, when one checks the membership info turns out to be a 49-year-old nurse from Girne called Debbie who only joined on Sunday 16 Aug. What is going on?



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minertor



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Message Posted:
17/08/2009 08:09

msg 16, Are you saying that it's ok to get "ripped off" if you don't know it's happening. Customer's may be happy but what about those that completed their training. They are the ones being ripped off by an unqualified person taking trade away from them. We can't have it all ways, complain about the bits of a law that WE don't agree with. About 20 years ago I trained as a driving instructor in UK. I passed the test and was part qualified. I could display my "badge" to show that I was qualified to teach. I was not allowed to charge a fee until I had passed a further test, and the only way to pass this test was by gaining experience of instructing. I don't think I'd have been jailed for any infraction, but it would have been illegal and I would have expected to be punished.



Tony

Pipie


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Message Posted:
17/08/2009 10:00

I think that the concerning issue here is that a man was placed in cell without water and a toilet , this is not what you would except from North Cyprus , YES i agree that an investigation should take place , but jailing someone for this is like going back to the dark ages , SHOCKING !!!!!!

smithy


Joined: 17/07/2008
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Message Posted:
17/08/2009 10:06

pipie I am begining to think we are in the dark ages over here, more and more each week

what next

sheila

Minter


Joined: 19/03/2009
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Message Posted:
17/08/2009 10:10

Nulten and Nagy you should be totally ashamed of yourselfs, all this has been planned a long time and the trouble with TCs especially London Cypriots they love to tell everybody their business.I hope your children don't suffer the way his are at the moment.

cronos


Joined: 26/10/2008
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Message Posted:
17/08/2009 10:10

Smithy....I think a few people are beginning to seriously question their choice of a place in the sun.

alexander


Joined: 28/01/2009
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Message Posted:
17/08/2009 10:49

Message 17



How many businesses and individuals here operate illegally? I am sure you have used tradesmen or a friend who are not registered. So please do not get on your soapbox.



Ok the hairdresser had the wrong certificates but that does not warrant being put in jail. It does seem the rules here are made up as the days and weeks progress and what suits the powers that be at any time.



All it needed was a warning.



There is no democracy in the north. The law is non existant unless you commit a murder or steal. Hence my Wild West statement.



How many builders, estate agents, developers and many other tradesmen work without the correct papers?



In the North. It is not what you know. It is who you know.

Harold2555



Joined: 19/04/2008
Posts: 1139

Message Posted:
17/08/2009 11:07

Hi all



We don't know the full details but that does not stop the postings.



For the record, I am horrified at the conditions that this gentlemen is reported to be held in and pray for a speedy resolution to those particular horrors.



Reading all the posts on the threads concerning this, the possibility has been at least mooted that this is not a simple case of not having the correct paperwork to operate this particular business but that certain parts of the paperwork were either mis represented or possibly forged. I haven't a clue whether this is correct or not, but clearly the accusations are out there and this would be viewed seriously in any jurisdiction and merit thorough investigation. In the UK then yes this would probably be a matter for Police bail but that system is oft criticised.



I hope that by the time I am typing this that the Gentleman and his family have received appropriate legal advice and the matter can be resolved fairly and above all humanely.



Harold

elko2



Joined: 24/07/2007
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Message Posted:
17/08/2009 12:15

There are many sides to this issue.

1. I am always uneasy when people are accused of doing things with very little evidence but lots of guesses and then people jump on the bandwagon and start a camaping against this person. I am talking about Nulten here having an unfair treatment.



2. It seems clear now that this genleman was working without a work permit. I think this is a cause for deportation. One can campaign against a bad law and get it reversed but not act against a law.



3. It seems that this gentleman has forged a document and used/displayed it for gain. I do not know what qualifications are required for hairdressers but that is completely beside the point. Forgery is illegal.



4. Suspects of any crime, no matter how minor, may be arrested and taken to the police station and can be detained there up to 48 hours. The reason is two fold: a) The police wants to interview some witnesses and the suspect may interfere with them if let out, b) the supect may interfere with evi

elko2



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Message Posted:
17/08/2009 12:16

evidence before the police can get to it. A judge on duty visits the police station on Saturdays and Sundays and extends the detention period if necessarry and always gives a chance for the suspect or his advocate to object.



5. Unfortunately the detention conditions are abhorable and we should protest against it at every opportunity and not only when a friend is involved. The police often misuse their powers of detention in order to get forced confessions from the suspects and the methods of persuation can border torture. I pointed out this fact recently on C44 but many were happy with these conditions because in that particular case a thief was caught and the stolen jewellery were recovered. Now a friend is involved and everybody is up in arms. It is wrong to mistreat a suspect and subject them to inhuman conditions. Some of those suspected of serious crimes can really be innocent.

ismet

joandjelly


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Message Posted:
17/08/2009 12:26

The calm voice of reason as usual Ismet. Thanks.

dizzycows


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Message Posted:
17/08/2009 12:27

Elko2, you are so right in what you say, about the laws etc, I think its they way its been handled that has caused outrage, usually they are given a warning, close that business down there and then, THEN issue a warant of arrest, in most countries.



With all this out cry perhaps it will help the next unfortunate person caught up in a legal point, time to get sorted. It does seem petty of NC, but, they are only protecting their own people.

bazilbrush


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Message Posted:
17/08/2009 12:39

It always baffles me when certificates from europe are needed here in a country that is not recognised in the world. I tried to book with turkish airlines but it says tickets can not be issued on the internet form the trnc ?? Differnet subject but hey. Many builders here that I know well were waiters and labourers both here and in the uk have they got certificates I dont think so.

girne 29


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Message Posted:
17/08/2009 12:41

dizzycows message 5. You are so right



"Fake, fraud documentation! well most of the builders and advacats would fill the jails, they only pick on 1 little person,"



It would be laughable if it wasnt so tragic.

Wonder what is the harder license to obtain. To give haircuts in the shop or to sell property from the shop.



At least this will help the property market. People with have confidence again ,knowing that anything that is not completely above board will be stamped on so hard.

Pity AGA wasnt a hairdressers .

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
17/08/2009 13:59

Ismet msg 27 says



" I am talking about Nulten here having an unfair treatment. "



Someone made the Hairdressers Union aware of possible issues with Geralds qualifications and encouraged them to investigate this.



If Gerald has done what he has been accused of doing here by Nulten and others, then such action was misguided foolish and illegal and he is suffering the consequences of such actions. What these alledged actions are not are petty, vindictive or nasty.



The acts of the person or persons on the other hand that informed on Gerald were in my view petty vindicitive nasty and motivated purely by self interest. This person or persons may think such behaviour has no consequences for them. Nulten has apparently chosen to come on here and accuse Gerald whilst trying to deny any involvement in what has happened to him. I personaly do not find this denial as it currently stands sufficent as it does not deal with the issue of who informed on Gerald.



[cont]

erolz


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Message Posted:
17/08/2009 14:00

Nulten and others mentioned in the various threads may or may not have had any part in informing on Gerald and using their contacts and influence to ensure that the matter was persued to the fullest extent of the law. For me if they wish to use this forum to try and publicaly 'clear their names' then they need to state categoricaly they they did not make any representations to authorities about the issues surrounding Geralds qualifications. So far Nulten has not done this. They have every opportunity to do this now here in this thread.



If the accusations made here against Gerald are true, then he is being held to account for those actions. I believe that the person or persons involved in informing on Gerlad should also have to account for their actions. Whilst such actions are not illegal they are to me morally reprehensible and such behaviour in a small community like ours should and does have consequences.

Lilli



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Message Posted:
17/08/2009 14:02

Do we have any news On JEZ yet

yorgozlu



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Message Posted:
17/08/2009 14:19

msg 25

alexander

Since when 2 wrongs startad to make 1 wright?

I wasnt in dissagrement to your general comments,so please keep your knickers on!!!!



All I was saying is that,its easy to play "pass the bug".

Try taking some of the blame like myself and you might find yourself thinking differently!!!



I am in %100 aggrement with Elko2(Ismet abi)comments.

not at all suggesting that,Jez should have been arrested or imprisoned.(closing his shop down may be)



What sadens me most is that ,most members on the forum are just full of mouth and no trousers.



In the meantime;

I'm just a sad old ex uk cypriot

I sit and watch what you would or wouldnt do for each other.....

daisy dukes


Joined: 06/09/2008
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Message Posted:
17/08/2009 14:26

Well said Yorgozlu...i do enjoy reading your posts, as i tend to agree with you! Anyway, when are you gonna come and visit us at the Cyprus Queen Bar?? (AKA Corner Bar)



DD

Elliecy


Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 153

Message Posted:
17/08/2009 14:46

As much as I understand Elkos comments, Gez has not murdered anyone and the shocking treatment he has received is ridiculously disproportionate to the so-called crime. Despite the initial comment from Nulten (and anyone else trying to justify what they have done), hell will freeze over before I ever set foot in one of their salons. As my mother used to say 'what goes around, comes around' and I certainly hope it does.

spangles


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Message Posted:
17/08/2009 15:40

Elliecy - Hear Hear.

Pipie


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Message Posted:
17/08/2009 15:57

So how is Ges , i do not know him , but would really like to know how he is ?

Lilli



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Message Posted:
17/08/2009 16:27

Pipie like you I wold like to know. I keep checking to see if there is any news x

stellasstar1



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Message Posted:
17/08/2009 18:16

And me, surely someone must know by now.

booitsme


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Message Posted:
18/08/2009 07:42

Unfortunately this isn't an isolated case of people being held in horrific conditions. We have friends who were accused by a TC woman of stealing 1 tonne of wood. The police impounded their car (not even a twig was to be found as they hadn't actually taken anything, yes, they had gone to look at the wood pile) they were thrown into a cell with only t shirts and trousers on (in December) and kept over night with no toilet and very little food or water, their 2nd floor apartment was turned over (where exactly can you hide so much wood in an apartment) and the ebst of it was, even with NO evidence against them they ended up paying the woman for 2 tonnes of wood as she had changed her story to get more moeny out of them and it was decided that they had to be guilty even though their story didn't change! OK so it may seem a bit extreme to put someone into jail for forging documents but that does not change the fact that Gez HAD knowingly forged documents and displayed them, how would he

booitsme


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Message Posted:
18/08/2009 07:49

feel if he had been sent to jail when he was innocent like my 2 friends? They did nothing other than go and look at a wood pile (maybe with the thoughts of taking some but since when can you be jailed and found guilty for thoughts?) but I didn't see them getting huge amounts of support from the British community. I'm sorry if my comments don't agree with the masses but a crime was committed. OK so many/most builders here don't have certificates but would you be so lenient if the fake qualifications were from someone in the medical profession? No doubt I will now come under fire but hey, I have broad shoulders

simbas



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Message Posted:
18/08/2009 09:29

Hi bootisme , it's a terrible thing that happened to your friends , no doubt about it , i can see why you warrent it by the comment you make " I did'nt see them getting huge amounts of support from the British community " . i can't remember anything of that nature being discussed , unless it was'nt highlighted on the board . Otherwise how would we know about it , as most of us don't live in NC .

keep well , Simbas

weaze


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Message Posted:
18/08/2009 09:37

I wish everyone would stop saying he had forged certificates..where do you get your information?? you have sentenced him already! he has been released without charge........