Advertising the TRNC

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
20/08/2009 09:36

Why don't all those affected by the lack of tourists in the TRNC (Hotels, Holiday Villages, private renters, etc...) get together and take out a whole page advertisement in a couple of national newspapers in the UK and promote the TRNC.



It's probably one of the cheapest places in the Med now to come and holiday - you never know the holidaymakers may even be tempted to buy a property over here - that'll certainly get things moving!!

negativenick


Joined: 10/11/2008
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Message Posted:
20/08/2009 09:38

because, (as my old Grandad used to say) - "cos they aye gorra a bloody clue"........

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
20/08/2009 09:44

Nick. Surely there's an opportunity here for someone to make a bit of money. How hard would it be to contact all those that are affected by tourism and discuss the idea of placing two or three full page advertisements in National newspapers to 'get things moving'?



I bet your old grandad would have been 'up for it'

sporty


Joined: 06/12/2007
Posts: 685

Message Posted:
20/08/2009 10:23

No 1, i dont know what it is about these companies,they never seem to be able to have some "creative thinking". Its not rocket science is it,they all just seem to "tick over" instead of thriving,i mean its a beautiful place,surely its not that hard to put it in the public eye,just imagine a shared cost channel on sky tv promoting NC, even individual property companies have done this! What about contacting the likes of Thomas Cook etc and throwing in some free accomodation etc.! They havnt got a clue,where theres a will theres a way!!imo.

DutchCrusader



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Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
20/08/2009 10:40

Bill, I think it's an illusion to think that TRNC can ever compete with mass-tourism countries in the Eastern Mediterranean, especially not with Turkey. Compare the pros and Turkey wins on *all* aspects of mass-tourism. The only chance for TRNC imo is casino-mass-tourism (for as long as it lasts) and special interest tourism. In the past five years I've read about many plans ("emergency", "next year", "the next ten years") but I've not read about only one workable plan - complaints from the tourism sector galore.



I don't want to hijack your thread, but allow me to ask this question: How, without the now well known advertorial lies, would you tell (Western European) people that they should choose TRNC for a holiday?!



Go ahead and let's find out which pro-TRNC fact or argument cannot be contradicted by a valid con-TRNC one...

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
20/08/2009 10:49

Hans, there's always going to be somewhere better than the TRNC - I can name plenty of places, but that's not the point. My interest is with the TRNC and to try and help get tourist's here.



With the correct advertising I'm confident that you could get a lot of people here for holidays.

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
20/08/2009 11:00

Hans, look at the holiday resorts in Spain for example between October and March. The Hotels are practically full albeit with elderly people excaping the weather from places like the UK and Germany. Why can't the TRNC attract people like these - they all spend money!

flightholiday


Joined: 19/07/2007
Posts: 3217

Message Posted:
20/08/2009 12:21

There are too many points that you seem not to know about that are not assisting the country and it's tourism.



Some of them include politics, lack of finance, personal gain or loss, negative PR from other countries, negatives about the housing situation {NB housing has nothing to do with tourism}, embargoes and many other complaints (some unfounded) among many other false perceptions.



Please remember before you try to have a go at me that we set up this business (at that time only based on North Cyprus) with what to us was very large personal investments over 10 years ago partly to try to assist the TRNC in niche market tourism (walking, diving, history, nature tours etc). I know of others who have done the same many falling by the wayside some through a lack of knowledge many because they are just not tough enough for all the put downs.



Tom

IAH Ltd

PS Winter OAP tourism is normally at a loss it only helps to allay costs.

Maz


Joined: 29/03/2009
Posts: 1924

Message Posted:
20/08/2009 13:05

Why not suggest the idea to the Tourism Board here. They are the ones to start the ball rolling. And don't forget that when an ad appeared on a London bus, the Greek Cypriots had it removed, until the organisation Embargoed! moved in and won the day. I am afraid that the situation in London re advertising N.C is constantly hampered by over aggressive attacks by the Greek Cypriots. Sounds horrible, but true.



But, contact the Tourism Authorities here and suggteswt it to them. To suggest it to us, is probably a bit pointless. But I DO agree with you that this place should be advertised as Non-Euro land. Great assett.

MarkVPiazza


Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 530

Message Posted:
20/08/2009 13:24

There's not enough water or electricity for those already in the TRNC - how would the country survive with all these tourists who would want to have their beds and towels changed every day, mutiple showers andAC on all the time ?



Cypriots go to Turkey for their holidays as the faciilities are better and prices lower.



The TRNC can not compete on price for bucket and spade holidays.



The TRNC could excel with specialist holidays such as mountaineering, historical tours, nature etc, but the lack of foreign expertise required, combined with much of the country looking like a rubbish tip, would stop this from happening.



The only real tourist business in the TRNC is gambling



Mark

flightholiday


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Posts: 3217

Message Posted:
20/08/2009 13:36

Msg 9 It has been tried - but maybe the Tourism Ministry should assist the London office with badly needed funds first - they have to pay for shows for this winter and advertising and WTM and their staff from a pot that I think has not had a penny put in for months.



Recently the tourism ministry demanded that Tour Operators went over to NC for a meeting but half of the ones who have supporting the TRNC for years and even senior staff from their London office were not invited!



Msg 10 This is the same as negative PR from other countries why not be a little more positive and helpfull?

the butler


Joined: 22/06/2007
Posts: 1958

Message Posted:
20/08/2009 14:34

Hi,



I agree with message 9, whatever you do to try and promote Northern Cyprus the Greek Cypriots will try and disrupt it. They must have friends in very high places to be heard as much as they are. ie The government, the press and the media, as they manage to get everything that the TRNC does to promote itself stopped.

I wish there were more people who were willing to stand up to these bullies and tell it how it really is.





The butlers wife

flightholiday


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Message Posted:
20/08/2009 14:44

Msg 13 - "I wish there were more people who were willing to stand up to these bullies and tell it how it really is." That is what the Tourism Board, most tour operators and the airlines do.

Hector


Joined: 26/08/2008
Posts: 2352

Message Posted:
20/08/2009 14:46

What about the tourists that have been to NC? Are they not the best ambassadors?



Are they returning home singing the praises of NC to their friends & family whilst planning to return year after year?



If not why not? What experiences with hotels, food, bar prices etc. are they really having?

fire starter


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Posts: 3401

Message Posted:
20/08/2009 14:59

hector i see where you are coming from.



the best advertising is from word of mouth, treat the tourist right and they will come back and recomend the trnc to their, friends, family and people they work with.

its not rocket science.



i do think the world credit situation is affecting not only the trnc but also everywhere else.

flightholiday


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Posts: 3217

Message Posted:
20/08/2009 15:17

Hector Msg 15 - we know some tourists that do return and often some rent villas and so are no longer figure as part of the tourism industry.



But for many the "over building" and the trying to "Europeanise" / "cosmopolitanise" the North is something they do not want to see as it is ruining what seemed to be a vibrant yet relatively tranquil backwater that was still rather as nature intended (where are the olive groves what has happened to the old roads that were fun to drive etc.)



If you look at Cuba much of that was in some ways similar and it has a growing tourist trade as it seems to still have the romance and to many visitors seems to still live in the 1960's

flightholiday


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Posts: 3217

Message Posted:
20/08/2009 15:23

F S Msg 16 last sentence - yes you are correct.

Woodspeckie


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Message Posted:
20/08/2009 15:42

I holiday in NC in Dec/Jan when I go sightseeing no way would I holiday there in Summer because of the rubbish around on the beaches and when it has been collected it is left lying around in bags, I have seen the bags in December still there and not collected and that is bad enough. I stayed at the High Life a couple of years ago it is a lovely place but the surrounding area put me off staying there again, went for a walk and I couldn't believe my eyes a field down there near the beach had been used to dump rubbish, there were cookers, fridges, sofas you name it, it was there.

Reading the thread about eating on the beach, I holiday in Turkey May & September I don't have any problem with eating and drinking on the beaches there, 5tl for a bed and umbrella for all day.

millzer


Joined: 12/04/2007
Posts: 978

Message Posted:
20/08/2009 15:57

Message 7, No 1 another problem with this is that there are no proper and decent transport links. Most retired couple if here for 2 or 3 winter months wouldn't want (or afford) to be hiring cars, they need proper buses. Some people I knew regularly spend the winter in Malta, I asked them why there and they said the can get buses from anywhere to anywhere.



Message 8, Tom, more power to your elbow, glad that you have stuck at it and wishing your business continued success.



Another problem as already mentioned.... THE RUBBISH, why oh why oh why can they not do something about it, bring in a proper clean up programme, fine the buggers that do this, set up phone hotlines where people can phone or photo to dob these low life's in. How many time do we see beach clean ups and the like and next week full of shit again!! They need to tackle the cultur and route cause, let these peopl know that if they fly tip and chuck rubbish there's a good chance they might get caught.

millzer


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Posts: 978

Message Posted:
20/08/2009 15:59

Talking of low occupancy tourists a friend has just come back from in the canaries and he said the place is dead, hardly anyone in the pool, the hotel told him they were only 40% full and this is school holiday time, so not just TRNC affected.

newlad



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Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
20/08/2009 16:02

I think the main problem that trnc has is that alot of people dont know that it even exists.When ever i mention Northern Cyprus to people,the usual response that i receive is "Northern cyprus isnt that in Turkey,

Paul."

newlad



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Message Posted:
20/08/2009 16:03

Millzer,

One of the reasons that the Canaries are dead is to do with the euro,

Paul.

Hector


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Posts: 2352

Message Posted:
20/08/2009 16:20

I was going to vent my frustration about the unique selling points that NC has & yet ruined by so many things, some already mentioned. I've decided not to because it's a waste of time & effort. The good citizens, politicians and government obviously like it the way it is. It can't be that important then.

millzer


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Posts: 978

Message Posted:
20/08/2009 16:41

Yep Paul agree it's mainly the Euro but just pointing out that a lot of other places are down for tourism too.

ROBnJO


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Posts: 1289

Message Posted:
20/08/2009 17:26

I think it depends whether you want 'increased' tourism, or 'mass' tourism.



For 'increased', you definitely need a cleaner rubbish free environment and more pride from the Locals.



For 'mass', you just need cheap direct flights.



Personally I have chosen NC to get away from Mass Tourism which has ruined practically all of the Med.



The only pleasant Greek Islands left are those without Airports.

newlad



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Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
20/08/2009 17:32

Millzer,

Not Turkey and Egypt cant help thinking that t.r.n.c. have missed the boat this year re-tourism.

Hector


Joined: 26/08/2008
Posts: 2352

Message Posted:
20/08/2009 17:42

"Not Turkey and Egypt cant help thinking that t.r.n.c. have missed the boat this year re-tourism."



I think they have also missed 2010 as well.

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
20/08/2009 17:54

ashas italy. A lot is down to he GCs poking thier nose in and telling the tour operators from the EU to boycott us here

newlad



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Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
20/08/2009 18:16

And telling the torists in the South not to cross over to the North or th tcs will slit their throats, FACT!!

Cyprusquest


Joined: 09/12/2008
Posts: 428

Message Posted:
20/08/2009 18:49

Hoagy in message 29 I get the impression that you know ROC very well as you can evidently talk in their name or is this an assumption on your part?



I was talking to someone recently who was reminding me that the forces in the South bought a lot of missiles back in 1995 /1996 which they were going to put onto the green line with enough capability to be deployed onto Turkey as well as into North Cyprus; is that not bullying? I have visited travel shows in the UK where staff on the Cyprus stand had a go at people carrying North Cyprus brochures or bags. To my mind that is bullying as well.

newlad



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Message Posted:
20/08/2009 18:57

Unfortunateley hoagy alot of people do,

Paul.

ROBnJO


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Message Posted:
20/08/2009 19:13

hoagy



""terrible flight times""



Where do you get that from?



I always have very comfortable daytime flights to NC from Heathrow & back, the short break in Turkey is actually a nice opportunity to stretch your legs.





Methinks you are suffering from a bad attack of 'Propoganda'.

newlad



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Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
20/08/2009 20:09

rob,

Thats fine from Heathrow if you live near the capital,but for the ones that live in the frozen north like me its a bit of a hike to London.And as for stretching your legs whilst stuck on a plane on a runway,not for me mate,

Paul.

Hector


Joined: 26/08/2008
Posts: 2352

Message Posted:
20/08/2009 23:21

In summer the return Friday flight, Ercan to Gatwick via Dalaman leaves at 7.30am.

CyprusChill


Joined: 08/05/2009
Posts: 666

Message Posted:
21/08/2009 03:40

A struggle to find the ' North of the island '.



Still unspoilt, exchange with the lira, pure blue sea and sky, mountain back drop, yummy food and drink, the odd chilling out famous person,

newlad



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Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
21/08/2009 09:49

Chill,

Couldnt agree more mate re-mess 40,

Paul.

newlad



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Message Posted:
21/08/2009 10:01

http://www.northcyprus.biz/north_cyprus_BlogRedir.asp?FID=9184

newlad



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Message Posted:
21/08/2009 10:01

http://www.northcyprus.biz/north_cyprus_BlogRedir.asp?FID=9181

newlad



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Message Posted:
21/08/2009 10:02

http://www.northcyprus.biz/north_cyprus_BlogRedir.asp?FID=9182



Just doing a bit of advertising,

Paul.

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
21/08/2009 10:34

Good links Paul.



You are now officially the TRNC advertising guru.

newlad



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Message Posted:
21/08/2009 10:57

Get me a job Bill i will have the tourists trickling in by the dozens,lol