ECHR case re frozen UK pensions

Hector


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Message Posted:
21/08/2009 15:28

The ECHR on 2nd September will hear the case by UK pensioners against the UK government for freezing their state pension because of the country they now live in.



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/expat/6062600/How-saving-the-pound-led-to-54-years-of-injustice.html

TRNCVaughan


Joined: 27/04/2008
Posts: 4578

Message Posted:
21/08/2009 15:59

Doesn't effect us as we are in the EU (as far as this is concerned)!!

At last - I knew there had to be some benefit in being in the EU.

Hector


Joined: 26/08/2008
Posts: 2352

Message Posted:
21/08/2009 16:02

That's interesting, I really didn't know that NC counted as being in the EU for UK state pension purposes. That opens up a few questions.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
21/08/2009 16:46

Dear Hector



re msg 3



ALL of Cyprus is in the EU ..it's just that the "acquis" is suspended north of the Green line.. the UK would be "recognising" the "TRNC" if it didn't acknowledge that citizens living in that part of Cyprus aren't entitled to their pension.

scruff


Joined: 15/07/2008
Posts: 1070

Message Posted:
21/08/2009 16:54

As far as the freezing of UK. State Pensions & TRNC residence is concerned, it seems to be a case of pot luck. Some are getting pension increases & some are not. I know of people in both categories.

It's not dependent on whether you were receiving a State Pension before you left the UK. either, although I don't know of anyone who was receiving a State pension in the UK. who then moved to the TRNC. who has now lost the annual increases.

One thing I can confirm. You will not get the Winter Fuel allowances, if you claim your State Pension after you have left the UK. from a TRNC. address, unless of course you use a UK. address when claiming your State Pension (strictly speaking this is fraud).

Finally there have been appeals for the increases to be paid in every country, in the past. Notably a Pensioner from South Africa brought a case & after a long battle, this was turned down.

It is crazy that someone who has paid NI contributions all their life in UK. should not get contd.

scruff


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Posts: 1070

Message Posted:
21/08/2009 16:57

full increases regardless of where they retire.

However this law has been in effect for years & years. Any change would significantly increase Government costs & therefore it's unlikely to change now.

teatime


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Posts: 852

Message Posted:
21/08/2009 17:09

Re msg 3: I don't think it would matter as there is a reciprocal agreement with Turkey, so I think the increases would still apply if NC became part of Turkey.

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
21/08/2009 21:09

Hector ..Quite right that article,you should not get any increase if you do not reside hear.You got your pension based on 40 years subscriptions.You choose to move to another place and support their economy why should the government help you in this by giving you any further increases.Like Scruff says ,there are hundreds out there claiming Heating Allowance who do not have Permanent Address in UK,cheating the government but the same lot will yell about the "scroungers" over here...

teatime


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Posts: 852

Message Posted:
21/08/2009 21:39

Coachies off again, spouting his wishes and not the facts.

Jetski


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Message Posted:
21/08/2009 21:48

The truth is that your NI conts are not a "bank account". You pay in (or paid in) to support the current loading of pensioners and the health service. At one point in the late 70's you could get an "earnings related" supplement to some benefits but this is no lomger the case. There are clear rules as to what you can claim and when you can claim it. There are also many who think that as they are no longer in the UK they are free to defraud the UK system.

Jeannie


Joined: 04/08/2009
Posts: 3283

Message Posted:
21/08/2009 21:50

Coachie - please - not again.



I will say to you again (as, no doubt, will many others) that if you've paid your dues in the UK for a very long time, you have chosen to move (at your own expense) to another country, why the hell are you NOT entitled to the benefits you have paid into all your working life?



Your Labour government seems to welcome all the bloody scroungers to the UK with open arms, I know, I work for the NHS.



Coachie - I have said before that I don't agree with your politics but I defend you right to stick by them; however, there has to be a sensible cut-off point. I would never live full time in TRNC, but, I can tell you, I'm getting mighty sick of the UK. And, as for people "running home when it's all gone wrong" again - they have paid their dues.



J

waddo


Joined: 29/11/2008
Posts: 1966

Message Posted:
21/08/2009 22:36

mmmmmm,

Then why is the UK not allowing me to partake in the Double Taxation available to people living Cyprus? By not allowing it, is the UK not then acknowledging the fact that I live in the TRNC and therefore acknowledging that the TRNC exists?



They can't have it both ways - yet they do!

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
21/08/2009 23:27

Jeannie well said, it just about grinds at you all the benefits etc that get handed out. Mighty sick, no bloody huge big sick,lol

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
22/08/2009 00:04

I know many here who get increases and fuel allowences and then become rightous about the hairdresser such double standards xx

Lilli



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Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
22/08/2009 00:07

ps I also know some who sublet thier council house and claim Incapacity benefit. Well the mind boggles I agree that we let all and sundry in to claim for kids in Poland etc but guys maon and sit back wont get you anywhere

mmmmmm



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Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
22/08/2009 00:08

Dear Waddo re 12



You DO live in Cyprus.. as far as the UK are concerned... but a part of it not under the effective control of the govt with which the UK has the agreement !



May be the UK should be applying the same rules as it does to someone living in 'Oz / NZ, etc ? THAT would probably get folk wanting a settlement..





You make a good point, though..

waddo


Joined: 29/11/2008
Posts: 1966

Message Posted:
22/08/2009 08:42

mmmmmm,

Not because I am a cheapskate (more because I am skint), I have attacked this problem at some length about the double taxation agreement. I find myself between a RoC and a Hard Place (Turkey) and there is no (legal and honest) way out of it - at the moment!



UK Tax Office will freely admit that I live in the TRNC and that (for TAX purposes) the TRNC doe's exist, now there is a first!

The RoC Tax Office freely admit that I live in Cyprus, however I live in a part that the RoC have no control over and so they can not extend the double taxation agreement to me. They were very nice and pleasant about it as well which is a change.

UK Tax Office agree that I live in the Turkish part of Cyprus but will not extend the Turkish double taxation either - it was worth a try!!



So, like many, many others I am stuck in the middle, paying taxes to the UK where I do not live and not being able to pay taxes to the TRNC, where I do live. Ho Hum, such is life - at the

millzer


Joined: 12/04/2007
Posts: 978

Message Posted:
22/08/2009 09:07

Funny how the TRNC IS still a part of Cyprus for the purposes of the Orams and is therefore 'recognised' as such and yet NOT 'officially' part of Cyprus and therefore not 'recognised for pensions indexation increases!

cooper


Joined: 23/10/2007
Posts: 3386

Message Posted:
22/08/2009 09:56

This link explains which countries should receive state pension increases and i beleive that people living in the TRNC is classed as Turkey in this instance so should receive the increases - http://www.pensionsadvisoryservice.org.uk/State_Pensions/Living_Overseas/



Cooper

waddo


Joined: 29/11/2008
Posts: 1966

Message Posted:
22/08/2009 10:06

Cooper,

True indeed, state pension increases for people in TRNC are treated as if they are in Turkey - same office that deal with them as deal with double taxation - just different set of rules! Would still rather be here than the UK anyway so no moans.

fire starter


Joined: 19/06/2008
Posts: 3401

Message Posted:
22/08/2009 11:39

it is a bit like the residency issues, you can't be a tax resident of knowhere.

living here all you get is a visitors visa, so how can you be resident?? it says visitor.

Aussie


Joined: 17/06/2007
Posts: 657

Message Posted:
22/08/2009 11:55

I always saw the indexation issue as the British government offloading its responsibilities on its "allies" in the Commonwealth such as Australia, New Zealand, Canada etc. knowing that their domestic pension and healthcare systems will at least partially fill the gap at their taxpayers expense.



I might add Australia pays pensions indexed to average weekly earnings which is much higher than general inflation measures for all eligible regardless of where they live in the world and a lot of people have moved back to countries such as Greece, Italy etc. They can also come back and receive healthcare benefits etc without waiting periods as well.



Overall I would have thought the British government would save more in healthcare costs etc than they would lose in VAT etc from their pensioners living overseas.





Aussie

harita


Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 1343

Message Posted:
22/08/2009 13:20

coachie .. Message 8 .. YOU WISH .. How many more times do you need telling .. We ar not claiming the heating allowance we are ENTITLED to it .. All the scroungers live in the UK .. We get nothing here apart from a good life & the sun ..

Pipie


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
22/08/2009 13:54

Messeges 11 / 33 spot on !!!

Pipie


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Message Posted:
22/08/2009 15:07

Oooops sorry i meant messeges 11/ 23 are spot on .

andre 514


Joined: 31/03/2008
Posts: 1163

Message Posted:
22/08/2009 21:58

mark message16:



you are surely kicking against an open door:

I think most expats yearn for a settlement because it would help them personally in so many ways:



travel trading residency pensions and health services... easier if the trnc is swallowed up in the eu



and since the only deal the north would agree to is one involving mostly compensation rather than

trying to restore who had what in '74: a huge jump in property values on signing!



and no worries about critical dinner party comments in the uk by a less than well-informed guest



with very little chance indeed that after any reunication deal

eoka "b" would come banging on "their" front door in the middle of the night...

perhaps mark it is the nightmarish memories of those bad old days which is why you still

seem to fret that it is the tc's who may vote "no" next time, if there ever is indeed a "next time"?



and finally, do not have another go at me just for stating the bleedin' obvious, aythangyou

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
22/08/2009 22:25

Harita..I do not make the laws I only stand by them.



Jeannie ..read the rules on qualification..If you do not reside here you dont getNHS care.If you do NOT reside permantly over there you do get NHS.Its a residential system not how much you have paid in.You all shout about the scrouingers over hear but you are no different.Because you are UK citizen you think you are entitled to every thing there is. Its a good job I am not in charge because you would not get half of what you are getting.If you want everything ,then come and live here and claim every thing you can and spend it here,not in some foreign country...



Jetski ..at least some one agrees with me..I think???



Teatime..well your pension is based on your contributions and if you have not paid the right amount you can make uo the difference to qualify forthe full state pension,not my wishes but fact....

scruff


Joined: 15/07/2008
Posts: 1070

Message Posted:
22/08/2009 22:30

re message 19. It is not a case of what "you" believe.

A couple of years ago it was clearly stated that the TRNC was not part of Turkey as regards to National Insurance Benefits.

National Insurance contributions mostly are paid towards a Basic State Pension + other benefits like sickness benefit. They are no longer referred to as contributions towards the NHS as was the case in the past.

All contributions go into a tax pot anyway. They are not earmarked as such for specific purposes. Income gors into one pot.

Outgoings like Pension entiltlements are based on the number of contribution years. Pension entiltlements can be changed by Governments as to when you will qualify for a State Pension & the conditions.

The TRNC is a very specific case because as Waddo had rightly pointed out, there is no double taxation agreement with the TRNC like there is with both the ROC & Turkey.

The effect of this is that TRNC State Pensioners have to pay UK Income Tax instead of Income Tax to.. contd

scruff


Joined: 15/07/2008
Posts: 1070

Message Posted:
22/08/2009 22:35

either Turkey or the ROC at the rates applying on those Countries.



Coachie everyone who has paid into the system is entiltled to a Basic State Pension based on their contributions. It's ridiculous to say that because they no longer live in the UK. they are not entitled to this.

The original question posed was whether TRNC State pensioners should receive increases & I think that morally they should.



For the contributor to this thread that said that earnings related benefits have ended. You are wrong. Graduated Pensions & SERPS earned in the past are still paid. I'm in receipt of them.

So many people who do not know what they are talking about in this thread, I'm sorry to say.

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
23/08/2009 16:54

Scruff..I never said they were not entitled to a State pension,only not entitled to increases.I also said that I dont think they should get the heating allowance if they PERMANTLY reside in TRNC. I have also said that they should not pay income tax on their pensions,there fore it would not allow them to come back and scrounge off the NHS,which they seem to think most of us in the UK are,scroungers. I just happen to believe that if you leave the Motherland for pastures new,great for you,get on with it, and pay what ever you have to pay out their and do not try and scrounge off us.. I think I am being very fair....

cyberhiker


Joined: 23/03/2009
Posts: 57

Message Posted:
23/08/2009 18:07

No-one is 'cheating the government' for 'claiming heating allowance' while not residing in the UK. This is an entitlement that is paid regardless of circumstances.

Jeannie


Joined: 04/08/2009
Posts: 3283

Message Posted:
23/08/2009 18:13

Coachie - I don't think anyone would consider anyone else who has worked all their life, paid their taxes and N.I. contributions as "sroungers" REGARDLESS of where they choose to retire to. How can they be "scroungers" when they have paid into I.T. and N.I. all their working lives? They are only getting back what they are entitled to and have paid in to.



J

teatime


Joined: 20/10/2008
Posts: 852

Message Posted:
23/08/2009 18:20

Coachie 27: I am well aware of what your pension is based on, I was on about the Heating Allowance, which as long as it is claimed before one leaves the country, they are entitled to it. This is not to say that I think this is a sensible use of taxpayers money, I personally believe that this allowance is a farce anyway because it is an allowance paid to everyone at 60. People who are still working i.e. 60+ get this allowance, why do they need it any more than people say 50+, stupid allowance paid to get the grey vote and should be stopped and just put onto the basic pension rate.

Pipie


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
23/08/2009 19:01

Coachie , lobby the Gov't to stop taxing these retired folk on there , pension , ,off shore savings accounts and anything else they can get there theiving little mits on , and then maybe the UK Gov't could stick there heating allowance .

waddo


Joined: 29/11/2008
Posts: 1966

Message Posted:
23/08/2009 19:02

I would rather have a cooling allowance anyway!!! Left at 60 and forgot to claim so no free bus pass for me, no heating allowance - oh woe is me for I am but a poor pensioner. Spare a bob for a down and out ex serviceman lady???

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
23/08/2009 21:14

pIPIE..If you have got your investments in accounts where they can get at it,thats your fault.Most people who live over there put there investments in Turkish ,far better rate of interestbanks .

Jeannie..you paid TI and NI till you were 60 and you got the benefits that went those payments whilst you remained here.Once you move abroad permanemtly your entitlememnt stops.I do not make the rules the governments of this country,be they Labour,Tory ,Lib Dem.have that honour.All this "I have paid into all my Life"does not wash with me.You want your damn cake and eat it.I do not like the idea of my taxes,oh yes I still pay tax,being used to help people in a foreign country support that countries economy.If you want the cake as well then come back here and support this economy..

Teatime..I agree with you 100%.It should not have been paid out willy nilly to anyone,especially if they are working.What dick head thought of that idea...It should only be paid to peopleover60 who are hardship cases

Jeannie


Joined: 04/08/2009
Posts: 3283

Message Posted:
23/08/2009 21:37

Coachie - if I could put you straight on a couple of points. I do not live in TRNC, but in the UK, and I am not entitled to my state pension until next year, when I reach 60. I assume I am also eligible for the heating allowance then, too. For what it's worth, I think the heating allowance is a farce and agree with Teatime that it should somehow be lumped in with the pension rate. However, you say that you resent your taxes being used to help people in a foreign country, yet you seem to have no objections whatsoever about your taxes being used to support all the immigrants that flock into the UK (because it's a soft touch) who can claim benefits, including Family Allowance (and more) as soon as they have an address in the UK.



Your views seem rather skewed at times.



Regards



J

harita


Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 1343

Message Posted:
23/08/2009 21:46

Coachie .. We paid & we are entitled .. You get yours .. Doesn't look from your picture you are a hardship case .. We still pay our taxes .. This helps to pay for all the benefits you can get but we can't ..

Get a life ..

Woodspeckie


Joined: 25/01/2009
Posts: 2263

Message Posted:
23/08/2009 21:54

Coachie. Do you not support the economy of NC by going on holiday there or do you not spend anything? take your holidays in the UK and support the economy here.

Pipie


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
23/08/2009 22:26

Coachie , that is not the point , retired folk are taxed when they earn , then they are taxed on there pension and then taxed on there savings , now these folk probably never claimed working tax credits or any of the other benefits that are given out willy nilly in the UK by this barmy labour lot , these retired folk are probably the last of the retired that actualy paid into the UK pot , and the reason i say that is that if you look at the governments work/pension website it states that a family can claim some sort of beneifit if there income is lower than 65 K . Getting back to the point these retired folk have paid and continue to pay and you moan about a heating allowance , strikes me you need to look into the ones that are bleeding the country dry with this benefit claim culture and leave the retired folk alone , rememberit is them that filled the UK pot and not guilty of draining it .

notthereyet


Joined: 26/10/2008
Posts: 113

Message Posted:
23/08/2009 22:30

Jeannie msg 37 good point well presented, the man coachie sounds a bitter old man who resents anyone trying to improve their lot and grab a bit of a dream as well as have the cheek to expect to be treated fairly by the country they have supported worked hard for and even in some cases fought for. Why should ex pats off TRNC be treated differently by the gov just because they haven,t the balls to stand up to the current situation that they helped to create. The people you so easily infure to as scrougers have paid their way the same as those in the hallowed south. Many of the people over in the TRNC still pay full UK tax on their pensions yet by your biased opinion they should not be entitled to some of the benifits they pay for, what are their taxes paying for are they not still supporting the "motherland". Get a life mate your tired and sad bias and unbalanced theories show you to be the bitter jealous person you are.

hattikins


Joined: 17/02/2008
Posts: 2793

Message Posted:
23/08/2009 22:38

Coachie

My brother lived in Australia for 23 years, after his marriage broke up he decided to return to the UK, he didn't have a job nor any money so he went to the dole. I was astounded to find that he was still on record through his NI number and was entitled to draw dole money immediately.

I have paid my dues, as has my husband, we are not scrounging anything, we are just claiming what we are entitled to.

Hector


Joined: 26/08/2008
Posts: 2352

Message Posted:
23/08/2009 22:41

Meanwhile, while we squabble over what we might be entitled to, the roma romanian gypsies are busy helping themselves to millions...



http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article6806493.ece

Woodspeckie


Joined: 25/01/2009
Posts: 2263

Message Posted:
23/08/2009 23:04

My friends Son emigrated to Oz with his two children 15 years ago his children now 21 and 23 come to stay with her for 3months at a time and immediately go to sign on with no intention of getting a job, just to draw the dole money for spends.

Jetski


Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 584

Message Posted:
23/08/2009 23:21

Scruff - re message 29.



I wasn't talking about GP's etc - I was reffering to Unemployment, IB etc. And I DO know... I worked for DWP for many years in a senior capacity. And with the Benefit Fraud section.

scruff


Joined: 15/07/2008
Posts: 1070

Message Posted:
23/08/2009 23:48

Hi Jetski. Where in my message 29 did I dispute what you're saying. This thread was mainly about State Pensions & the annual increases & not apart other State Benefits. What's unemployment got to do with this issue.

Your posting relating to Earnings related benefits was not very clear & now you're saying it did not refer to Pensions. I rest my case.

I too was heavily involved in the Pensions area & not for the State but in private industry where we unfortunately do not enjoy index linked pensions as do you.

Does my message 29 in any way condone benefit fraud? Quite the opposite I should say. I live in Cyprus, do not use a UK.address & do not use the NHS. Okay.

scruff


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Posts: 1070

Message Posted:
23/08/2009 23:57

2nd sentence should have read as follows. "This thread was mainly about State Pensions & the annual increases & not about other State Benefits. What's unemployment got to do with this issue".

It is a problem that this BB doesn't allow the editing of typos.

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
25/08/2009 00:13

Woodspeckie.. ever thought of going to the local office and reporting this fact,or does that sort of thing not sit well with you..Like "well all these foreign immigrants do it why should my friends kids notdo it"



Hattikins..Same as speckie,go down to thelocal office and give them details..This one is nothing to do with Labour,Tories ruling at that time./

Not there yet..Far from being a sad old man as you suggest,I enjoy my life.I Justdo not like people who think that they are entitled to some thing which they are not,and that includes immigrants.But most of all I dislike people who have double standards IE.its alright for them to cheat cos they are brits li ving abroad,but not any body else..You can improve your lot as much as you like and improve your standard of life but do it in the correct manner.



Harita..Why do you have to refer to my picture(at least I am not afraid to put one up there) which I have stated before was taken at a celebration on holiday last year.

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
25/08/2009 00:37

cont.. I am not a hardship case nor am I well off, LIKE I HAVE SAID BEFORE i DO NOT MAKE THE RULES. I only abide by them.I was off work once due to injury and that is the only time I ever claimed Benefit.I still get mine because I live here,if you dont??



Jeannie..I have said before if you do not reside permantly in the TRNC you are entitled to all the benefits.The heating allowance should only be paid to old widows/widowers who have virtually nothing. If you go back to earlier posts you will see some criticism I made about the person who dreamt it up..I do object to money being paid to these immigrants who you rightly say have paid nothing into the system but the EU is partly to blame for that,Freedom of labour and all that crap..



Nothereyet..If they are paying tax on there pension,its only the same as I do,The difference is income tax on pensions does not pay for everything else.They do not pay VAT like I do,and that is the biggest supporter of the pension an NHS costs..

Hippo


Joined: 02/02/2007
Posts: 2070

Message Posted:
25/08/2009 08:25

Coachie if you live in the UK stay there, post on a UK board we do not wish to hear your sanctimonious babblings any longer.

Most of us worked all our working lives in the UK, paid our taxes (still pay taxes)

So wind your neck in.

harita


Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 1343

Message Posted:
25/08/2009 10:24

Coachie .. We get ours because we live here & are entitled to it ..

Well said Hippo .. Couldn't have put it better ..

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
25/08/2009 17:07

Hippo..Your mouth is as big as your body by the sounds of it,aptly named you are.Would that be because I might be right..Never at any time said you were never entitled to your pensions,but just the increases and the NHS treatment.I really do not care if you have paid into the system for TWO lifetimes.You only get what you are LEGALLY entitled to.Dont stay in the sun too long,Hippos tend to burn very easily and I would not want you coming here for your FREE treatment.



Harita..Hope its all legal and above board then..dont like cheats!!!!!

Hippo


Joined: 02/02/2007
Posts: 2070

Message Posted:
26/08/2009 09:02

Coachie mouth of the self righteous, seen it all before the face behind the curtain's 'Do you know Mr X has no car tax' get a life roachie.

harita


Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 1343

Message Posted:
26/08/2009 15:20

Coachie .. Know exactly that we CANNOT go back for treatment on the NHS .. Don't want to, get much better treatment here .. All we get is quite legal .. Heating allowance & increases to our state pension ..

Again looking at your picture you've seen a bit of sun, or the red not doing you any good ..

girne 29


Joined: 06/12/2007
Posts: 1488

Message Posted:
26/08/2009 16:31

coachie message 27



Totally agree,



Although I think you should get the pension increase wherever you live, you pay throughout your life for a pension and in much the same way as a private pension.

I get fed up everytime people living in enviable conditions abroad want something they are not entitled to ,like health care or want to avoid paying taxes, they drag the old" I know someone who has an aunt who has a friend who works with someone who saw,I swear to God, unemployed scroungers getting free helecopter flights to the jobcentre"

You dont live in the UK, so leave those that do to sort things out, its their taxes.



Jeanne

".Your Labour government seems to welcome all the bloody scroungers to the UK with open arms, I know, I work for the NHS."

Having three of my family working in NHS,I dont see your sentiments in them.I am wondering where you run into all these scroungers,and how you know they are scroungers. That info would be priviledged and you shouldnt be privy to it.

girne 29


Joined: 06/12/2007
Posts: 1488

Message Posted:
26/08/2009 16:42

Sorry Jeanne

I realise now, by scroungers you were meaning, the bankers with there 10 mill pensions guaranteed by the taxpayer ,the hangers on in the royal family with allowances from the taxpayer, the MP's with there moats and duck houses paid for by the taxpayer,the MEPS with their triple pensions and attendance allowances, paid for by the taxpayer.



You are right, the last thing we want is for the" labour Govt" to welcome scroungers into the country ,we have enough of our own homgrown ones that the "your" Tory party have helped nurture.



Guess the old adage is true ,the more you steal the more acceptable it becomes.

Jeannie


Joined: 04/08/2009
Posts: 3283

Message Posted:
26/08/2009 16:46

girne 29. "Coachie message 27, Totally agree". Well, you obviously don't "totally" agree, since your next sentence starts with "although I think you should get the pension increase wherever you live". This is exactly what Coachie thinks retired people living in another country shouldn't get.

Jeannie


Joined: 04/08/2009
Posts: 3283

Message Posted:
26/08/2009 16:50

girne 29. I couldn't agree with your sentiments regarding rich bankers, the royal family, MP's and MEP's.



I am a bit puzzled by your writing "your" Tory party". I do not know why you should think I support the Tory party? I referred to the Labour party as "yours" in my message to Coachie because he has made no secret of the fact that he is a staunch, lifelong Labour supporter.



J

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
26/08/2009 23:25

Harita/Jeannie..You should not be getting any State pension increases if you reside permantly in the TRNC. you are no different to ex pats who live in Ozz,NZ,SA.they do not get it although there is a review going to take place by this Labour government that you all detest so much..but no doubt there is a way around it enabling you to claim.



Harita ..try looking at the picture a little more closely and read my previous answers to you.The red is sunburn,taken in Crete in 2008,and you should know that Red Wine is good for you,much better than beer and spirits.



Hippo..Self righteous you say I am,two faced I am not.I do not need to hide behind window curtains to shop on the theives and cheats,especially ones who think they are squewaky clean..You and others on here do your fair share of shouting off about the scroungers over here in the UK,but there are as many in the TRNC who do exactly the same because they seem to think they are entitled to by right because they are ex pats. Rubbis

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
26/08/2009 23:31

Hippo..If one of your" MrX with no car tax"ran into you and killed some one in your family I bet your hippo sized mouth would be bellowing so loud everyone in the UK would hear you.So thank your lucky stars there are "faces behind curtains"protecting the likes of you and your friends...

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
26/08/2009 23:43

Coachie darling, you know I always win when we argue about Labour v Tories!! But what is Rubbis?? msg 59



Coachie, I have to agree with Jeannie on these posts, what she says is totally right, we have argued this one out before so I will let you be mauled by someone else. Deep down you know they are right regarding tax on pensions. lol

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
26/08/2009 23:49

dizzy..used up all my letters...I think you will see that I advocate you not paying tax on your pensions in one of my previous posts,but I do not make the laws...

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
26/08/2009 23:53

Yea I know, but it is good to debate isnt it, even if Im right!!! lol



I thought it was a swear word in Polish, looked it up in my polish handbook............

Woodspeckie


Joined: 25/01/2009
Posts: 2263

Message Posted:
27/08/2009 00:11

Coachie. You didn't anwer my question 39

Coachie



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Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
28/08/2009 23:15

Woodspeckie..Sorry I did not answer your Question,most unusual for me..Yes.I holiday in TRNC,England And numerous other countries but I would hardly consider 2 weeks "supporting " an economy as say living there does. I spent approx £500 on food and car hire and days out exploring the North so I suppose I did Support the economy a little,you could hardly avoid not doing so..

teatime


Joined: 20/10/2008
Posts: 852

Message Posted:
29/08/2009 01:23

£500 in two weeks including car hire, you aren't the person on another thread who don't buy there rounds are you Coachie??? lol

Jeannie


Joined: 04/08/2009
Posts: 3283

Message Posted:
29/08/2009 12:06

teatime - must say I wish we could get away with spending £500 for two weeks holiday, too



Ah, they were the days!

Geejay


Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 475

Message Posted:
29/08/2009 18:07

Coachie why do you say in msg 59... .."You should not be getting any State pension increases if you reside permanently in the TRNC". The whole of Cyprus is in the EC. Only that the aquis communitaire is suspended in the North. That doesn't mean we don't retain EC rights.



I asked an EC Commissioner regarding the rights of EC citizens here and he advised that EC citizens retain the rights and benefits of the EC. In any case we are all only temporary visitors in the eyes of TRNC. It seems you would like us to be stateless for the "sin" of being here.

scotsguy


Joined: 17/09/2008
Posts: 249

Message Posted:
31/08/2009 14:54

Why are the likes of Coachie allowed on here, I beleive the idiot came here for a holiday once and now spends his life on here, its about time we just ignored this village idiot, he's just a sad wanker it just a shame his father wasn't one, then this idiot would not be here.

Ozbey


Joined: 04/03/2009
Posts: 304

Message Posted:
31/08/2009 15:21

scotsguy,

Your debating skills say more about you than about the subject.

Another poster whose comments I won't bother to read in future.

Woodspeckie


Joined: 25/01/2009
Posts: 2263

Message Posted:
31/08/2009 16:38

Coachie has as much right to be on here as you have, as much as I don't agree with a lot of the things he has to say.

Pipie


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
01/09/2009 10:20

Yes of course Coachie has a right being on the forum , healthy debate is what a good forum is about , it would be a boring forum is we all agreed on everything !!

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
01/09/2009 11:04

Coachie is a gem to battle with, he is a so for his beliefs and some of others are so against, but we still like each other, well I think we do!!!!!!! its what pipie says healthy debates do get heated but thats life. ....

Geejay


Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 475

Message Posted:
02/09/2009 13:30

Back to topic.......



Coachie interprets laws to suit his personal but erroneous beliefs. This is what the BBC publishes on this subject :-



"Annual upratings of the UK state pension are paid to recipients living in the European Economic Area and Switzerland, as well as countries where there are reciprocal social security agreements such as the US, Jersey and Guernsey and Turkey."



North Cyprus is either in a European Economic Area or Turkey. Take your pick.



Bye the Bye.....Of course one shouldn't ban people just because they have different opinions and are a pain in the proverbial !

This is a different matter to Commonwealth countries residents wanting the same thing. Lets see what the decision is. I believe if you are a UK and therefore an EC citizen, you should receive the increases having paid your premiums, no matter where you reside.

Geejay


Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 475

Message Posted:
02/09/2009 15:52

Don't hold your breath for a decision on this by the ECHR. It's not expected until March 2010.

Woodspeckie


Joined: 25/01/2009
Posts: 2263

Message Posted:
02/09/2009 17:19

On BBC text now:~. A case that could effect pensions of 520,000 British who have retired abroad is being heard in the European Court of Human Rights. A group of 13 pensioners want the UK state pension to rise in line with inflation each year.

Inflation-proofing only applies to UK pensioners who live in European Economic Area or in 15 other countries but not some Commonwealth States.

Ex-pat pensioners say they have been unfairly discriminated against.

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
02/09/2009 17:26

Scotsguy..At least I am not rude or arrogant like you.I was in Cyprus before you left school or even new it existed. If you dont like my comments just ignore them.Its peo[ple like you who this forum want to get rid of not me. Well Mr. Commercial Consultant do you speak to your cloents like that or do you lick there backsides to get their business,probably the latter..My father was not a toy tanker,he drove one in the second world war. It appears your father did not teach you many manners when you were younger,whereas mine did...

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
02/09/2009 17:39

Coachie baby dont get your pants in a twist its not good for the nether regions! What this forum needs is free speach without so many getting nasty and taking every thing so seriously.



You do have a right for your beliefs, I do not agree with them, but so be it. I for one am very pleased for these pensioners to get the full amount where ever they live. They paid in, they intitled. lol xx

minertor



Joined: 14/02/2009
Posts: 1238

Message Posted:
02/09/2009 17:43

I think the only countries where expat pensioners don't get the yearly increase are Australia, New Zealand and South Africa.



Don't get upset coachie, It's just that your political beliefs seem at odds with the Labour ideal. You seem to be saying, "I've always had a little wage and I've always managed" The antithesis of your parties paymasters.

Welcome to the right.

Woodspeckie


Joined: 25/01/2009
Posts: 2263

Message Posted:
02/09/2009 17:43

At least I stuck up for you Coachie!!

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
02/09/2009 19:42

woodsspeckie..thankyou very much,does not happen very often.



minetor..not exactly true..I had a good wage packet ,its just I had to work 60 hrs instead of 40hrs to get it.



dizzy..vice versa..Did you hear that idiot Cameron on TV. he is not satisfied with Browns reoly on tv in front of 60million people,he now is asking for and independant enquiry.Still trying to score browny points.Except that one political reporter said that both he an Nick Clegg had the luxury of not being in government for them to make their comments and what he wanted to know was what would they have done in the same situation.More than likely the exa\ct same thing...I have yet to hear that man say anything constructive as to what he would do about the situation we have been in over the last 2 years..All he seems interested in is slagging of this government which at least is trying to do some thing..My theory is a little bit of something is better than a whole load of nothing...

scotsguy


Joined: 17/09/2008
Posts: 249

Message Posted:
13/09/2009 15:39

Well Coachie seems the UK education system has sadly let you down very badly, your appalling use of the english grammar and your poor spelling obviously reflects on your somewhat simple upbringing and your mere pathetic outlook in life, I have laughed at your many pitiable comments and you truly reflect the selfish/self centered socialist idiots that the UK is full of, no wonder the UK is now on its knees.

Obviously I can only assume when you wrote your reply you were heavily under the influence of cheap wine, as your picture shows (does Asda still do 3 bottles for tenner). Or with your socialist tendencies do you use the Co-op?

By the way my late father taught me many important things in life, one being to treat people with respect and dignity, but when dealing with simpletons like you, to only talk with them in very simple terms, so that you can understand.

Your childish and pathetic comment of that, I must lick my clients backsides truly reflects and proves that you are of

scotsguy


Joined: 17/09/2008
Posts: 249

Message Posted:
14/09/2009 15:03

part 2, the rest for some reason was cut off.



Your childish and pathetic comment of that, I must lick my clients backsides truly reflects and proves that you are of the most simple intelligence and character and that you have never held a professional position in your sad, miserable pathetic life.

Anyway I have wasted enough time in responding to you, I won’t lower myself in the future to respond to your constant whinging, may I suggest you get a life and try not to leave your village, as you will certainly be depriving it of its idiot.

hattikins


Joined: 17/02/2008
Posts: 2793

Message Posted:
14/09/2009 15:23

Scotsguy



Your posts have nothing whatsoever to do with subject matter, they are just rude, insulting and totally uncalled for. They say far more about you than they do about Coachie, who like the rest of us has every right to express his opinion. We all disagree at times but personal attacks such as yours are out of order, you should apologise but I don't suppose you will.

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
14/09/2009 15:26

Scotsguy..I have come across thousands of self centred arrogant nobodies like you all my life and I am still here.As for my education,good as I require it to be.Typing was never one of my better points but spelling was ok.If you care to cast your feeble mind back in the previous posts you will find that you are the one whose education is a bit off.No where will you see I have used words like Wanker in any of my posts or referred to anyone as a village idiot or criticised their use or command of the English Language.You even lower your well educated self to insulting a photograph,how laughable.I suppose you were a Sainsbury shopper when you lived in the uk like most ot the uppercrust were.Actually I have never used the Co-op but i am a share holder and get my dividend and freebies since it amalgamated with the Brittania Building Society.I would not shop in store that belonged to Wal-Mart.If holding a professional position was to turn me into something like you,I think I will stay as I

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
14/09/2009 15:33

cont..am the village idiot as you say.At least I can have a laugh and joke with people instead of being the well educated prat who bores the pants off every one with his superior than thow attitude..



Hattikins..Dont worry about him insulting me,Its like water off a ducks back.Another Tory with a short memory who probably has lost a bob or two in the recession and can only see the Labour party as the culprit.The fact that there is a world recession on seems to escape his memory.Enough for today.By Hatty and thanks..