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panhandler


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11/04/2008 21:58

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suntanman



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11/04/2008 22:15

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pan



To date, I think I am the only one on Crystal Bay View who has had the request for extra payment.

I think everyone is hoping that the email from E'green will not materialise, and possibly be exempt from the extra charges.



I would urge all buyers on CBV to show their concern over the inevitable, and make comment.

sun



northernlad2


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11/04/2008 22:22

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Hi suntanman and panhandler



Good luck with your petition.

We are right behind you , We hope that you get the right result.

On a selfish note expect we have this to come.

sarah and keith



suntanman



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11/04/2008 22:26

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Thanks northernlad, we've got nothing to lose by trying, have we?



Hope E'green learn by their errors and you don't get into this situation at CBM



Andrew & Sue



suntanman



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12/04/2008 20:57

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just bringing thread to the top



tonyhickey



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12/04/2008 22:25

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Have evergreen come up with any costing to justify the amount I would assumed the less apartments on site the more the costs to each owner will be . Are is it a case of we were not told at the beginning so we are not prepare to pay any thing justify are not ?

Tony



suntanman



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13/04/2008 10:13

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Tony

These latest costs from Evergreen have been presented to owners who in most cases have already paid final balance, completed handover, and taken posession of their properties!

In my case, the extra bill was issued two months after receiving final bill, which was already in the hands of solicitor awaiting instructions of completion prior to releasing money.

How can this possibly be justified?

It appears that Evergreen were working on the 'assumption' that costs towards installation of equipment were to be part funded by the Government.

This is not now the case, so are passing their mis-calculated costs on to the buyer.

What sort of development company would calculate building costs on 'assumptions? Surely confirmation in writing from the Government prior to building would be the normal procedure?

This latest unexpected additional cost is the final straw for us all, as have been presented with' extra after extra' without prior notification, and only made aware of additional costs on receipt of invoice for next stage payment.



daily


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13/04/2008 13:55

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I think it would be a good idea to look at the bigger picture suntanman - your additional bill seems extremely feasible because others have found themselves in the same boat as you. I only read the other day about a similar situation on a different site - check out other posts on this forum. I have also read on other forums about government subsidies towards water and electric - so that much I am sure is fact.



In that case I would now be asking the following questions:

Why did the government instigate all the sudden stipulations about stamp duty for last month, causing considerable chaos amongst foreign buyers?

Why are electricity rates rising?

Why has there been a sudden hike for the cost of meters?

Why are they asking for 10% of all rental income?

Why are water rates rising by 20%?

And finally, do we think this government is in dire financial straits and in no position to be subsidising anything?



I think you are a victim of the status quo as much as anything else.



suntanman



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13/04/2008 15:36

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I think we are all aware of the 'bigger picture' and fully accept escalating costs of services such as water and electric etc.



With respect daily, you are missing the point of our argument.



TimothyCadman


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In that case I would now be asking the following questions:



"Why did the government instigate all the sudden stipulations about stamp duty for last month, causing considerable chaos amongst foreign buyers?"

Because they can and ned to raise cash fast.



"Why are electricity rates rising?"

As in line with all countries, fuel costs are rising and therefore are passed onto the end user.



"Why has there been a sudden hike for the cost of meters?"

Because they are the monopoly that supplies them and they can charge what they like. Do remember that you are not required to have electricity as a basic nescessity for life.



"Why are they asking for 10% of all rental income?"

Because that's the law, and always has been but was o0verlooked for many years. For Turkey to keep bailing out North Cyprus the Government must be seen to be doing everything reasonible to raise taxes under the law. Also, most other country taxes income from all sources.



"Why are water rates rising by 20%?"

Because inflation is 20% and by paying more for water will make you think how you use the precious commodity.



"And finally, do we think this government is in dire financial straits and in no position to be subsidising anything?"

Yes the government have a poor record for financial housekeeping but do remember that the price of petrol and diesel has not been increased here since January 2007, even though the oil price has nearly doubled in that time and the US dollar has weakened. So yes, they have subsidised at least one item.



daily


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suntanman



My point is that where there was once subsidy of electric and water connection by the government, because of the current economical crisis, the government have now reneged on this. This perhaps was not anticipated by construction companies, thus the reason for late demands irrespective of your having taken possession of properties. Let's face it, the TRNC government do what they like with little planning and thought - the result, the cost is passed on to the buyer. And always will be.



Timothy

thank for that- really informative



witchfinder



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13/04/2008 16:11

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Hi All, your not alone we are on the Monarch Site in Alsancak of 11 apartments have been asked for 2184 GBP each for our electric & telephone connection the water charges were asked for a few months ago of 450..... We have now got in contact with 6 or so other owners and complaining to the PCO.



daily


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thanks witchfinder - now hopefully suntanman can see my point!



lavendergirl


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This is what happened to us aswell despite it being included in our contract. Obviously it depends on how your contract is worded but the point is: why should you have to pay something that isn't in your contract? This is becoming very common now from builders because at the end of the day some of them will hold you over a barrel with the title deeds or your supply of water/electric. But it is wrong and needs to be stopped. Alot of the lawyers here will tell their clients to pay it!



suntanman



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13/04/2008 18:18

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I take all comments on board, and like to hear both sides of the argument. Nevertheless, I feel Evergreen have been very backhanded with their aproach towards billing for extra costs and have not made buyers aware of the additions until the point of invoicing payments.

An example of this being a couple who recently returned having completed handover were not (and still not) aware of additional charges, yet I received revised final bill while they were actually there in TRNC, and we are both buying on the same development. To my knowlege, Evergreen have known for some time that extra payment requests would be issued , but have failed to inform all buyers.



panhandler


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13/04/2008 23:52

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Hi Daily

Respect to you sir

With regard to your 'bigger picture' increases overall yes I agree

However

If you have legally met your contractual onligations and had completion and handover of keys, registered your property / lecy with Kibtec in your name 3 months ago , how can evergreen then demand extra costs !



They can't



The email they sent to there customers demanding payment was not addressed to individuals just to the customer in a collective mail shot



This in itself is supsect and suggests that they are chancing there arm

That said I think that if you have not completed and the lecy is not registered in your name then you may be held by the short and curlies.



Repsectfully

Panhandler



McSteviet



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Are Kibtek and the water company Government owned or are they private companies?



MC



panhandler


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Hi Mcstevjet





Kibtec are a goverment office, not sure about the water company, however either way subsidised i would have thought



Regadrs

Panhandler



Eccles


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29/04/2008 15:17

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We have just got our keys for Pearl Bay and was a bit astounded to say the least on the cost of the electricity/water costs plus the VAT which we were originally told were to be paid around 2 years after getting our keys, we had not been informed about this before we came across in April - we had got a copy of the charge list showing the 39 properties for Pearl Bay and Crystal Bay from evergreen and this was divided accordingly. I think in the end we will all have to get together and keep in touch by email or when on site, to sort out the so called 'maintenance costs' and any other ancilliary charges that may occur, we were originally told before buying that after 2 years of their maintenance company that it would then be transferred to the property owners on these sites, for us then to orgnise an official board to decide what happens when etc. It doesn't seem that they have any intention of doing this - anyone know if this is true or not ? What I must say in their defence is that we were very impressed with the site manager called Mustafa who is a definite asset to the company, nothing was too much trouble for him, and Evergreens main site foreman Koby was brilliant too. It will be interesting to see what the next year brings up on what will and what will not be done. When we spoke to Evergreen they did say the the beach was going to the done and the 2nd pool was being tiled and starting to look ok too before we came home a couple of weeks ago.



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