One for coachie .. Good old UK

harita


Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 1343

Message Posted:
28/08/2009 15:32

Blackburn Rovers star Vince Grella has been burgled at knifepoint by a gang of masked men who broke into his Cheshire home.



Police are still hunting the four men who burst into the Australian footballer’s home at around 10pm on Sunday night, threatening Vince, 29, with a blade.



A spokesperson for Cheshire Police told the Mirror: “They demanded the keys to his car. They escaped in a silver BMW X5, before abadoning the stolen car in Salemoor, Manchester.”





The 29-year-old is yet to comment on the dramatic robbery, but officers said that no one was hurt.



Fortunately Grella's wife Barbara and their seven-year-old twins Sophia and Victoria were not in the £1m mansion at time.

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
28/08/2009 17:34

Na, theres no violence in GB!!! What ever next harita, coachie will be saying next that Westham and Millwall were only playing at being violent!! they werent really fighting. lol

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
28/08/2009 19:24

Dizzy/Harita..Now why would I want to say that?? Its you lot who live in the so called island of no crime..Like I say There are 62million in the UK not 200000.Bit of a difference.If some statistician could work it out I bet there is as much crime there as there is here on a pro rata basis..Dizzy if you think football violence is exclusive to the UK you live in cloud cuckoo land..Have a look at some of the violence at Turkish football matches,we are total novices where that is concerned..

hattikins


Joined: 17/02/2008
Posts: 2793

Message Posted:
28/08/2009 19:34

Coachie, I'm surprised you took the bait there, we all know that there is violence in all countries and as far as I am aware you have never said there was NO violence in the UK, don,t go there pal.

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
28/08/2009 20:31

I know coachie, its just that having been in a football mad house hold, hubby/3 sons, just like to wind them up as well. You are possibly right re pro rata violence etc. lol

sporty


Joined: 06/12/2007
Posts: 685

Message Posted:
28/08/2009 20:40

They certainly never got away with any football silverware,as he plays for blackburn,lol.

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
28/08/2009 21:09

Hattikins..I saw the trap my dear,but wanted to see what would come back from my answer..At least Dizzy is sensible enough to see what I was getting at,and you are dead right ,I never have said there is no violence over hear,People would take me for a bigger fool than they already think I am.I do find those who say that there is no crime on the TRNC live in cuckoo land,you just have to read some of the posts on here to see that.

Long live Gordon Brown and the Labour Party....

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
28/08/2009 21:36

Now go and wash out your mouth with soap coachie, that was uncalled for, just because I was having a little wind up you just want to tell every one that you support a loser! Gorgon Brown and his party poopers!

Turtle


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
28/08/2009 22:05

Coachie me owd mate, I cant see you suffer any longer.



I will pick you up on Tuesday at 10am.................I know a good brain surgeon, theres defo something wrong up there !!

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
28/08/2009 22:42

Believe Ronald Ragons brain surgeon is available. He even fitted a hinge on Ragons scull so when he started talking rubbish it was changeable! Watch out Coachie all this rubbish about Labour is a def tell tale sign of the brain you now have is disfunctional. lol xx

Woodspeckie


Joined: 25/01/2009
Posts: 2263

Message Posted:
28/08/2009 22:44

Does the brain surgeon come free on the NHS?

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
28/08/2009 22:57

Woodspeckie..depends if you live hear or there..Had my heart op for free on the NHS,splendid job as well.

Dizzy..nothing wrong with my brain box my dear..Just wait and see..I dont think for one moment we will win the election but it may be a lot closer than you think..Cameron is not coming over as well as expected as for Osbourne ,I got more i dea than he has.



Turtle..I thought you were going to take me for a pint when you said Pick you up at 10..But you Tories are too tight fisted with money,dont like spending it on worthy causes...Cameron and Co will need the brain surgeons to put some decent ideas in his head because I have not heard any yet..

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
28/08/2009 23:22

We are only going to be tight fisted to the scroungers, the on the dole, work shy, and folks that say they cant work because their aunty said they looked poorlie!



You might be right about Cameron and Osborne, but they just cannot be as bad as your lame ducks now can they. Labour has had its day, their policy of give, give give to the work shy is why they took so much of the pensions, Gorgon made such a mess when he was chancellor, Blair got out, Gorgon so stupid for lime light he could not wait to be seen with the rest of the world leaders who incidently think he is complete t----r. Your Worthy causes have had their day coachie, its our turn, and hey ho and what a mess we have to sort out......

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
28/08/2009 23:55

Dizzy..I no you have good intentions but do wake up some time. there have been 2million "scroungers" for as long as I can remember,even when the tories were in.You are never ever going to change that. Well they must have done some good to survive THREE terms,do you think your lot will,doubt it.If you have to rely on prats like Ken Clarke and the other idiot who runs London ,God help us. its like a merry go round,when the people have had enough of he ride they get off and try something else.I will make you a bet,After one term in Office Cameron will be removed by the old guard in the Tory Party.They hate him for his stand on the MP,s expenses,in fact I am surprised he is still there..

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
29/08/2009 00:02

I'm off for my 'gorgousness sleep' now, will reply in the morning.



Some of us have to get up early and keep the money rolling in for Labour to waste!

Turtle


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
29/08/2009 01:04

2m Coachie....try 4m at least





The idiot Boris running London ?..............................dont forget he took over from Ken, now there's a proper idiot me thinks

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
29/08/2009 02:49

yOU KNOW you all wanted ti help jez tge hairdresser well he is back in uk. Sign on forget it noe he is tolf yohave been out of the country 2 yeras no money.Sorry didnt go thro Calais Its so wrong. Coac h I love yo as yo u know but is this righ when you an ome from poland etc and get everything xxxxxxx

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
29/08/2009 11:45

Coachie there will be 6 million claiming something from the gov by the time this lot have been given the push! In the back benches its all huffing and puffing re Cameron, if he does not deliver someone else will be put in, not like Labour who seem to roll from one slease to another. You ask why did they get in the last time, well, simple, with so many on the dole, single mums etc they make up the vast voting in this country now, Labour has looked after the no hopers for years, the 'good' votes are practically out numbered now. Labour spin,so many lies have at long last caught up with them, re Irac, Dr Kelly, expences, you name it, the public took their spin for too long.

Ken Livingstone, he is another who just thought he could go on, and nobody would stand up against him, well Boris has more intelligence in his big toe than Ken had in his whole body! Boris has integrity, which Ken would not even know the meaning of.

As for the European workers they come over to work, yes I say-- CONT

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
29/08/2009 11:52

--work and do the jobs our lazy English wont do! Labour has seen to that very well. Jobs are out there, but our lot say I cant do that I can get more tax credits/benifits for not working! Tell me coachie what do the employers do, they recruite from Poland. Russia, Lithuania, and I can tell you they have a totally different ethos regarding work, they work for you, are happy to work., not a beer belly in sight, they are more family orientated as well. Sooooooo, thats me said , over to you, ........ xxx

Woodspeckie


Joined: 25/01/2009
Posts: 2263

Message Posted:
29/08/2009 13:03

dizzycows. Yes they are more family orientated 1 in 4 babies born in the UK are now born to immigrants 55% in London mostly Pakistan, India or Poland. 791,000 babies last year has sent the population soaring to over 61 million 395,000 people left the UK but 512,000 arrived.

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
29/08/2009 14:56

Hi woodspeckie, still have not rectified how and who wants to work? nobodys got an answer for this problem that has become a major issue within the work force!!

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
29/08/2009 15:42

Dizzy..there are4million of those out of work because of the WORLD RECESSION or do you blame labour for that as well as everything else.They recruit labour from Poland etc because they only pay them £4 an hour not the minimum wage of £5.87.also they qualify for EU payments which our Government Whether Labour or Tory have to pay.They get something in the region of £1000 on top there wages which is what they send back hometo their families.That £1000 is what the EU say we have to pay,not our lot GIVING to them.If they did not get the extra they could not afford to stay here.Well there are a lot of EU people here in my town and not many of them working,see them in Tesco regularly with there coupons doing there shopping.



Lilli..I think you misunderstood the Polish bit, Iwas posting to Dizzycows and my last word was "rubbis" missed off the "h" because I ran out of letters,so she jokingly said am I Polish.Rest assured Lilli ENGLISH through and through.

girne 29


Joined: 06/12/2007
Posts: 1488

Message Posted:
29/08/2009 16:49

Dizzycows

I was a "scrounger" for a few months,when your heroine(who needs a manufacturing base) was in power.Believe me ,bad enough being in that situation without being called a scrounger as well.

I wish ,from some of the comments I read on this site that some of you could have advised me on where all this money that is talked about was to be had.



If I remember rightly the biggest abuse in the past was those who claimed long term sick when they were quite capable of working. Now who, I wonder started that little con of moving people onto invalidity benifit in order to get them off the enemployment figures, Doh!.



Cameron wont stop it, why were 90% benifits ,housing ,family allowance,enemployment benifit,invalidity benifit.all in place under his lot before.

He cant even stop Hannan running around US slagging UK off and supporting Enoch Powell.









On crime in UK versus TRNC. Murder rate is far higher but overall crime is lower.

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
29/08/2009 17:19

Coachie wrong again, the Eu workers in our region get more than the basic pay, they are worth it, they turn up for work, where our lot dont! We pay our work force according to their ability and that is considerably more than the min wage. If our English lot were to turn up and do the same we would only be to happy to employ. What are you talking about £1000 on top of their pay? me thinks you are slightly muddled. What and where are they getting this EU subsidy? £4 an our is for the students that come over for the 3 months, unskilled and they get coupons to spend re Tesco workers! If any one is paying less than the min wage for any worker be it EU or English that is against the law, The gang masters have to have a license and this is vetted by the trading standards, nobody can employ as you are saying, if they are then they want reporting. Do you know for sure that they only get £4 per hour and this £1000 from our govnment? And have to pay as you state?.....

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
29/08/2009 18:23

Dizzy..If you are paying above the minimum wage dont shout to loudly or you will have all the other business people around you calling you and telling you off. The TUC have proved time and again that most of the fruit and veg farms who import a lot of immigrant labour are paying less than the minimum age,but nobody does anything about it.People here who work in care home only minimum wage and no overtime rates for any Bank holidays they work,but the owners are running around in big Bently,z and Rolls Royce cars.so dont tell me people in this country are idle.I would say about 40%of the working population are only earning minimum wage.When I retired in 2004 my wage was £6 an hour and it is only £7 anhour now for the same job..If they earn less than the govrnment stated average wage they claim the extra benefits,bit like pension credits etc..Wellthis pensioner is now going out on a family treat,my daughters are taking us out for dinner..burger and chips,cant afford anything else....

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
29/08/2009 20:45

Coachie.



Me old son. You are delusional, as indeed are the mob that you seek to patronise.!



Please tell me. When you are in debt, and have not a hope in hell of paying your debts, that after due consideration, you decide to borrow millions more...................... In order to sort it out?



The answer is , as many times before, you become insolvent, and then you borrow BILLIONS from....The International



Monetery Fund, who, conditional on you abiding by the rules that they dictate, (Standard Tory Policies) agree to loan you the cash, at distressed rates!



What will happen when the IMF say NO?. THAT COACHIE IS WHEN YOU WILL HAVE TO ANSWER FOR YOUR SINS!



Sounds to me lie a self defeating scheme! Cut out the middle man, and vote for the Tories in the first place,



Definition of a Socialist.....A Man with a knife and fork, looking for a Capitalist with a meat pie!



WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THE PIE HAS BEEN EATEN?



wynyardman



This is how CY44 used to be!!

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
29/08/2009 21:23

wynyardman how right you are, but its like talking to 'brainwashed' Auther Scargill fans!!



Coachie, if you were only on £6 an hour what the heck did you do man? Of course there are some that flaunt the rules, but I do know they just cannot do as they did. Still awaiting proof of this £1000 and the EU ruling of the payment! What a load of b-----ks, I employ and know of the rules etc and have never heard of this £1000 or the voucher system other than Tesco workers. As you say 39hrs is now the norm as overtime is a no no in most businesses, thats your lot Scargill and the TUC, they fought for that so dont moan now that you got it.



If you cant afford more than burger and chips you really should not have retired at such an early age!!

I know for a fact that I shall not retire fully untill Im 75 or more, still got loads of energy and like my lifestyle.

Dont tell me you had to stop because I do not except excuses!!! lol xx

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
29/08/2009 21:32

wynyardman just curious what did you mean re 'this is how cyp44 used to be, what like the tories? Im a bit thick sometimes, well tell a lie, most of the time!!

Jeannie


Joined: 04/08/2009
Posts: 3283

Message Posted:
29/08/2009 21:43

Whoa............hold your horses here! Whilst I don't agree with Coachie's politics, I have always said I defend his right to his beliefs. However, why should you deride his hourly rate of pay when he retired? There are a lot of people who earn (and I mean, earn and not make) £6 an hour, some less, I would imagine. What's wrong with doing a day's work for a day's money? He says that the job he did now carries an hourly rate of £7. I am a medical secretary and I earn £8 an hour. I am sure Coachie worked hard and honestly for all his working life and I find your attitude patronising in the extreme. So, he should not have retired at such an early age? What if he retired due to ill-health? Apparently, you do not 'except' (I assume you mean meant 'accept'?) excuses? I am pleased for you that you will not retire until you're 75 or more - good luck to you - but unless you have a crystal ball or have insider information, how the hell do you know you'll still be here then?

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
29/08/2009 22:16

Jeannie, maybe I am patronising in your eyes, the questions were to Coachie, not your good self! If someone is only on £6 an hour for a maaaaan! that was very low even for 2004.



If you dont like what I write dearie dont read! easy.



Ever heard of tongue in cheek, well you have now,.... so suggest if no like, butt out. lol

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
29/08/2009 22:53

sorry dizzycows,



What a dreadful moniker!



In the old days there were well structured debates and an esprit de corps between many of the board stalwarts.



Most now do not bother to post. Such a shame!



Just my view thats all,



wynyardman

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
29/08/2009 23:01

Ladies lets not fall out over my poor hard working underpaid job..and life style..

Dizzy..It has improved some what in the last two years but so have the hours my friends have towork to keep you all in the lap of luxury.I used to be limited to 60hrs \week but now my friends can legally work up to 80hrs a week.When I was working, overtime was payed after40 hrs and weekend at 1.5 times and Sunday at double time.That was changed to suit the needs of the greedy bosses who could not run a p..s up in a brewary,and out went the overtime rates on agood many firms.The bosses who could run there firms correctly still pay the proper rate for the job and get the correct results for it.Old chinese proverb..You pay in pea nuts you get monkeys for the job..I was mis informed about the £1000,it should have been£10000-£15000 if they cannot get employment.they get the basic unemployment from our lot and then the EUsays they have to have the rest to support there families back home.this per YEAR.

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
29/08/2009 23:15

Wynyard Man...The pie tastes very nice thank you especially if you have gravy on it(free benefits)The IMF is not likely to say no and you of all people should no that.Paying back with low interest is better than not paying at all,That is Iceland,the country not the frozen food chain.Mind you the frozen food chain has probably got more money than the country.We cannot be in too bad a shape if we can LEND Iceland $5.5BILLION dollars in loans..



Dizzy..I had to retire at 65 after a quadruple heart bypass operation performed by the "useless"NHS inside one week of being diagnosed,that is why you will always find me defending it against all cheats and scroungers.I have a cousin who is very money orientated like yourself,who thought he was going to be a millionaire by the time he was sixty.Had a massive stroke when he was 50 and been in capacitatedfor the last 19 years so nothing in this life is guaranteed,so just take things a bit easy Dizzy and you might just get to your goal..

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
29/08/2009 23:26

Coachie,



I know it wasnt Confuscius.........but........



There are non so blind, as those that cannot see.



wynyardman

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
29/08/2009 23:32

Wyn lovely to see you back. Coachie you enjo your life my sweetheart.You deserve it. Jennie you are so right xxxxxx Ec=verybody is entitled to thier own beliefs and opinions xxx

littlejohn


Joined: 09/03/2009
Posts: 316

Message Posted:
29/08/2009 23:33

Keep up the good work Coachie but I think you are wasting your breath.

They all have short memories otherwise they would see that the destruction of our manufacturing base in the 80s was the beginning of the end.

How have all those jobs been replaced?

I remember the millions spent by the tories on " job creation" schemes which to my knowledge petered out and created zilch.

And instead of berating those on benefits for whatever reason why don't these blue rinses ask why the billions in unpaid corporation tax and tax avoidance are not pursued!

It was their party which encouraged the "loadsamoney" culture and "no such thing as society, look after number one!!

And what about farm subsidies !!!!

You can't educate s**t and that is exactly what you are trying to do.

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
29/08/2009 23:34

Lilli,



Just you keep the faith! Look after that Guido Guy!



Only passing.



wynyardman

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
29/08/2009 23:36

Coachie you are having a laugh boy, have to agree with you re greedy bosses, and yes you pay peanuts and you get monkeys, so right there, but again we come back to the same old question and that is the English do not like work, another reason why bosses employ EU workers.

Yep I do live a life of luxury because I had the guts to borrow a huge amount of money, took a chance and became one of those bosses that you so despise, but have always paid more to keep the good employees, but I can tell you now, the English we employ are always wanting time off and are so envious of what others have got. If you want something you go and get it, not whinge because somebody has more than you. Were you prepared to put everything into something. You could have become a boss if you had enough guts to do it coachie, then you wouldnt have something to moan about now . My workers, have been mostly Russian and they are honest and keen to please, I cannot say this now about the English, lol xx

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
29/08/2009 23:53

dizzycows,



Its still a dreadful monika! You live a life of luxury.? Bloody hell. I am looking for a good looking, wise, knowledgeable



caring, understanding , sweet, affectionate type of dizzyish, wise beyond belief, kinda person. I think Coachie is an arse!



I think all socialists should be strung up! I do not drink. I am a caring type of person! I am coming to the TRNC on 3rd Oct



and shall be staying at The Pia Bella. I will leave a key. I can be contacted on 01 333 8721.



Take care, yours in anticipation of a luxurious lifestyle,



wynyardman

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
29/08/2009 23:57

Coachie, didnt read your post 33 for some reason it never came up until, or I missed it. Well done you that you have had your heart by pass and very pleased for you that all has gone well. Its not a reason to say someone is money orientated just because they enjoy business which I do very much. I could not for the life of me just do nothing, we employ so we infact support several families, and we are happy to do what we do.



As you say your cousin had a stroke, sorry to hear that but he might have had one any how, thats life. You cant blame that on just work, perhaps he smoked, perhaps he did this, or did that. We all have some tragedy that has affected us, some of us just do not talk about it, some of us do. Again thats life, we are all different.

Coachie I will try very hard to get to my goal thats if a double decker bus doesnt run me over in the mean time lol xx

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
30/08/2009 00:03

Aw shur up wynyardman, Im a tory, but I still love coachie, we just love to wind each other up. He just loves to have a go same as I do.

Go get yer own dosh cos ya aint getting mine, I am 98yrs old got a hairy face and legs with veins all over them and 27 stone. lol xx

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
30/08/2009 00:36

Dizz wyn is the lovelist person you can meet as is coachie. Im just so sorry that mt family commitments meant I missed you . I know we would have got on. I love the void that you have reacted since Wyn and a lot of others left this forum. No way are you what you describe from what Im told you are one hell of an elegant lady. So from one to another keep up the good work love xxxxxx

cyprusairsoft



Joined: 22/06/2009
Posts: 2066

Message Posted:
30/08/2009 11:03

" guiness book of records state that mr potato head was nominated as a candidate for election and actually received four votes coachie was one of them "

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
30/08/2009 13:33

Lilli all lies, as nobody knows me , not even I do!!!! Yes you are right regarding getting on with each other, as both, you and I , I believe dont 'suffer fools gladly'. Still running a large enterprise and have run a huge company starting from scratch, employing 200+ plus in a time of extreme recession. What really gets me is those on here who have had a so called education, who think they are some one, what a laugh, but they dont realise that folks laugh at them!!personally I just couldnt give a toss about what folks, re education, as found out that ones with loads of A levels, degrees etc they were the hardest to train!! No common sence all. In fact it came to a choice to not even bothering with employing these as you knew darn well they wouldnt last the day!

Lilli please dont think I and coachi hate each other, well, I dont hate him, perhaps the feelings not mutual, but I respect his views, even if I give him hell or visa versa!! Wynyardman he seems good fun also, so lets -co

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
30/08/2009 13:35

cont-- hope he will join in again.

Turtle


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
30/08/2009 16:32

The problem with Socialist's is that they think life owes them a good living.........................but life actually owes us sod all.



If the govenments of this country eases off fleecing business's with tax demands and employment constraints then maybe just maybe we might be able to pay people more.



And the reason why manufacturing has largely disappeared here is simple, if you are uncompetitive you do not sell your product, British manufacturing could not sell its products on the world stage it could import coal and steel much cheaper that we could produce it.



Ask yourselves one thing........why do you shop at Tesco and not Waitrose ?

Woodspeckie


Joined: 25/01/2009
Posts: 2263

Message Posted:
30/08/2009 16:44

Because we don't have a Waitros in our area.

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
30/08/2009 17:33

Turtle ..you are getting as bad the rest .I thought you had some brains,who said that if you are a socialist you are owed a good livin. I must have missed that one because I have had to work bloody hard for my little bit. When you say ease off the tax demands and employment constraints, can you just be a little more specific.As far as I know you pay taxes under any goverment and they all tend to follow the same line as to what type of tax you are paying,so I tend to ignore that sort of comment.The steel and coal they are buying now is twice as expensive as British coal. and British Steel. I did not stay cheap for very long.Once Budge got his hands on the mines he worked them till the existing seams ran out and would not spend any money to go after other seams.Trentham is a classic example,500million tons of coal in that pit when he shut it down all because he would not spend money diverting around a village where all the money people live. And I dont shop in either...

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
30/08/2009 17:40

Turtle as you say life owes us sod all, but what is so strange is that when you start a business and give work to folks they suddenly think that the employer owes them , without a boss no work and these socialists think that its a right for them to go on strike, a right to demand more wages when often it pushes the business to far and then they leave these shores for abroad they all start screaming. Then you have the government taxing to much hence you have unemployment, but it seems we have a nation of 'I want and I dont care' attitude. Look at the Olympics, all mostly foreign workers, just ask the british employers why because our brits young brits just do not have a clue how to work. The local uptake on these jobs were so poor that the bosses have had to use migrant workers.

Never shop at supermarkets actually turtle, use our village shops as can not bother with the queue and hanging around. Tesco is a very dirty word for me, lol Lidl for lobsters though.

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
30/08/2009 17:49

Wynn..nothing wrong with my eyes old fellow,I been to Specsavers..Well when you string me up dont stand underneath in case you get covered in some brown stuff..



cyprusairsoft..What are you on about???



Dizzy..I do not despise any boss who pays his workers right,just those who try to take the P... and then try to blame their workers for their own shortcomings..And who is printing this crap about you and I hating one another,we just fail to agree on anything,except one,I know my lot have made some bloomers but dizzy does not accept that the Tories have made Just as many.Like the 2million people who dont work,!992 when Tories brought in Incapacity Benefit to take them off the Unemployed register which was reaching 4million.They tried just as many daft things about regeneration Ideas,Inner city projects, YTS etc to name a few, all costing millions and eventually they lost the plot and the election in 1997. They all eventually run out of ideas and money and get into debt..

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
30/08/2009 18:12

Coachie, it seems that if we have a difference of opinion it upsets certain ladies, not that they support you but just want to be catty and bitchie, they find it difficult to answer without a hint of the old 'green eye' but that does not stop me or you disagreeing/agreeing on stuff, it what makes things more interesting.



Dont ask about cyprusairsoft, its our bit of fun,



The ladies in question does not include Lilli who I have a huge respect for, on what she does and says. Its such a shame that forum members try and 'gang up'.

At least you have a mind on what you write, and I do respect that even though I dont agree with you. Perhaps we might call each other names, but what the heck, you'll not change me and I'll not change you, life still goes on. Plus Im a tory, strong minded, but fair..... lol xxx

My list would be just too long for all the 'right' things the tories have done,!!!

Turtle


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
30/08/2009 19:51

Coachie, you need to do a little homework on this subject, to employ a person on say £20k pa the real cost is nearer £35k pa with all the add ons and this has to be paid for by the company which in todays market is very hard to acheive with low profitabillity.



As for Coal in the UK its a fact that uk coal is way too high in sulphur and has to be processed and cleansed which is a very costly process and becomes very uncompetively priced and with the dwindling use for this product its only a matter of time before its finished as a fuel



You are like my dad coachie.......................living in the 60s

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
30/08/2009 20:24

Turtle ..think your sums are a bit exagerated to say the least. you are a real old school Tory ..No holiday pay,no sick pay no pension payments are these what you call ad ons.Its the 21st century,not the 19th century,and you accuse me of living in the 60,s what next..As for your comments on coal,yes some of it is to high in sulpher and has to be cleansed and mixed with other types of coal befored being fired in power stations ,but we had all that here without importing it from South America,and it would have kept people in jobs for the last 15yrs instead of on the dole..

Turtle


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
30/08/2009 20:52

Coachie stop twisting what I wrote ?

I merely said the true cost of employing someone is rather higher than his hourly rate.



You can pay someone £50k a year but it has to be paid for (this doesn't count in the public sector ?)

I myself really do need to take on someone to move our business forward but when you way up the costs of doing so you really do think twice.



A friend of mine is a property developer and has just bought a spectacular "Hall" in the West Mids, he openly advertised for people to work mainly as labourers to help clear the site for redevelopment.

12 people contacted him 11 of them Polish and the 12th was english..................but he was only interested in cash in hand ?..........says it all really

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
30/08/2009 20:57

Turtle..Just as an after thought,in the 60,s I was serving my Queen and country and did not get involved in "politics" tillI came out and started work in civvy street,and thats when I had my eyes opened...I used to vote Tory when I was in cos we always got a pay rise of sorts.Irishmans rise,gave it to you one week and took it off you in another week by changing the goalposts..

hattikins


Joined: 17/02/2008
Posts: 2793

Message Posted:
30/08/2009 21:38

Message 51, you really do have a problem with people who may not agree with you, and you call them catty and bitchy, get a life you silly woman and start acting your age. Your posts are deliberately provocative and intended to stir things up.

Coachie, I was a lifelong Labour supporter but they have lost the plot, that,s only my opinion of course, but God help us if the likes of Mrs. T ever got a foothold.

hattikins


Joined: 17/02/2008
Posts: 2793

Message Posted:
30/08/2009 21:39

Message 51, you really do have a problem with people who may not agree with you, and you call them catty and bitchy, get a life you silly woman and start acting your age. Your posts are deliberately provocative and intended to stir things up.

Coachie, I was a lifelong Labour supporter but they have lost the plot, that,s only my opinion of course, but God help us if the likes of Mrs. T ever got a foothold.

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
30/08/2009 22:54

Turtle ..I am well aware of the true cost of employing people,but that is business,you only have to listen to these bankers "If you want the right people for the job you have to pay the market rate"the trouble is they double the market rate and then some.My answer to you was about you saying "£20k and it actually being £35k".Nobody pays that sort of extra cost,if he is he should not be in business.My hourly rate was £6 hour,true rate£8.Most companiies work on 4weeks hols,4weeks sick, NI contributions.Pension and not all of them pay the latter.If you work on 40hrs per week for holiday pay=£960,4x £240=£960 sick pay,£20x52=£1040NI, plus £20x52=£1040pension contributions(assuming he pays anything)Total=£4960..Divide by52=£95p/w Divide that by 40=£2.38p/hr on top actual rate =£8..38.p/hour. Approx 39% increase not a 75% increase which you are claiming..or are there other things I have missed.??

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
30/08/2009 22:56

hattikins me thinks its you who needs a life me dear, why do you bother to answer if you dont like! Act my age my dear, makes you sound in your 90s! As I have said to your co poster, dont read, butt out, dont join in if you think its provocative you silly old thing. Perhaps some of you need stiring up thats why a lot of members dont join in because of you and your offensive answers. More like a school marm who tries to show her authority. So butt out, dont read and then you wont get upset. lol xxxxxxxxxxxxx



Turtle, I do know how difficult it is to employ, its as you say the NI that the employer has to cough up is a heavy extra. Just very pleased that the pension sceme that was scrapped and put back onto the employee has helped.

Hope you find someone for you to expand, try the Russian workers, they are very loyal and very trustworthy. Which is an added bonus in todays climate. lol

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
30/08/2009 23:04

Hattikins ..I dont think they have lost the plot totally.If Cameron was in he wanted to let everything fold ,no help for anybody.Can you imagine the effect that would have on the employment in this country.They are all very quick to condemn him for the money he has borrowed to try and keep us afloat ,but I do not here any ideas coming from them as to what they would have done.Probably the same as 1992,fiddle the books to make it look that it is not that bad.They are the originaters of the dont work brigade,created in 1992 to make it look good for the up coming election,which they won to everybodies amazement.Then they totally lost it by having the biggest unemployment for 20yrs and the highest interest rates(between 15-18%)for 10 yrs. so you see they are not as good as they try to make out...

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
30/08/2009 23:05

Coachie oh coachie, if only you were right, no it is not like that in the real employment world, dont get me on the sick pay, why are you putting in compulsary sidck pay! £20 NI ! dont know where you get these figures from, just shows how out of touch you lot are! Good old Maggie we need her back to bring back the back bone to this country. lol xx

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
30/08/2009 23:20

Dizzy..The sick pay was for those who get full pay when they are off.Compulsory sick pay is paid by the employer who claims it back.The NI was approx.I was paying about that when I retired which was 5yrs ago,so it must have gone up.Now Dizzy dont start on about that stupid female.My wife cant even stand the site of her or her voice,says she is just like a patronising old school mistress.She took the back out of backbone when she ruined this countries Manufacturing base to follow her ideas of being a service industry country and she is probably originator of our predicament today.Any how enough for today going to bed.Taking her indoors outdoors tomorrow for a day out at the Merryhill Shopping Complex in Brummyland..

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
30/08/2009 23:31

Well have a great day coachie, cant be bothered either tonight as had a glass of wine, so like wise off to bed.

Will look up tuesday to see what the actual NI is now. As its pay day for the 'boys'.



Promise not to mention her again tonight, well just a little, mag.!! xx



ps mustnt be provocative as it upsets the 'oldies' xx

Woodspeckie


Joined: 25/01/2009
Posts: 2263

Message Posted:
30/08/2009 23:32

Early to bed early to rise makes a man healthy, wealthy and wise.

Carndi


Joined: 12/06/2009
Posts: 613

Message Posted:
31/08/2009 09:54

Coachie. You are quite right about the Irishmans payrise for service people but you did not mention the fact that ' She who can not be named ' gave parity to the forces and also stopped us having to pay for meals when we were detached to another unit.

See your lot are keeping the faith now by depriving the forces of equipment. But thats ok. It's only costing lives.

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
31/08/2009 12:30

Hello carndi, but you mustnt say such things as it upsets some! she who we must not mention, had a back bone, which this lot just do not have!!!



Off course every government makes mistakes, but this lot just keeps making them, they just do not realise how they have crippled the small enterprises that is the backbone of this country. lol

cyprusairsoft



Joined: 22/06/2009
Posts: 2066

Message Posted:
31/08/2009 18:25

dizzycows gets my vote everytime



can debate with the best and has a lot of fun in answering



lifes short going to loose a good friend with cancer very soon out of the blue



so live life to the full be nice to someone and dont take it all to seriously

minertor



Joined: 14/02/2009
Posts: 1238

Message Posted:
31/08/2009 18:39

as it says on the bottle "afore ye go" best wishes for the future (what's left of it for you) Coachie, have enjoyed your postings, agreed with hardly any, but enjoyed reading them. Hang in there.

cyprusairsoft



Joined: 22/06/2009
Posts: 2066

Message Posted:
31/08/2009 18:40

coachie tries hard some good points but never really going to agree with gb hero worship

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
31/08/2009 18:45

Your are so right cyprusairsoft, it is sometimes lacking in humour, which the old ladies seem to have lost. If we dont agree so be it, I couldnt give a t--s. But they like to make it a full on war!!!! should they recruit into the forces do you think? We could do with some help in Afgn!!



So sorry to hear of your friend, it is so cruel is life, I am always at a loss to know what to say to someone that will not be with you for long. Just being there will help as a friend, an ear when they are low. Take care my boy, lol xxxx

cyprusairsoft



Joined: 22/06/2009
Posts: 2066

Message Posted:
31/08/2009 19:01

thanks dizzy thats why i like you appreciate it



and im a tough cookie as you know



her grandkids and daughter have no become our adopted cyprus family they have a lot to face in coming weeks



good news was able to vent off some steam when this idiot worker decided he would prod me with his finger and get in my face



the rest as they say is history lol did you hear the sirens lol

hattikins


Joined: 17/02/2008
Posts: 2793

Message Posted:
31/08/2009 19:12

Sillycow

Why you have to have a go at other people every time is beyond me, I am entitled to express an opinion on Coachies views the same as anyone else but you have to launch personal attacks, in every post, not just this one, you really are a sad git.

I don,t give a s**t what you think of me as you are nothing but a self opinionated, obnoxious stupid bitch who really needs to get a grip. You can retaliate with whatever to my posting, I will be too busy doing my knitting, polishing my wooden leg and soaking my false teeth to have time to answer anymore of your pointless, stupid remarks.

Go and run British industry, with your Russian workers, bet you are a delight to work for, just don,t bother me anymore you bloody idiot, I will probably be banned for this post but boy will it be worth it.

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
31/08/2009 20:47

My my hattikins, whats up then gal, obviously you are under the impression that these silly old ladies that I was refering to might just have been you, infact it was. But dont let that stop you my dear from trying to insult me, as, if you look back, it is you my dear who started the insults etc,. Why you throwing your teddies out the pram now? Go take your tabs you will be al right in a mo, lol xx

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
31/08/2009 20:58

Hattikins have just reread your post and quite frankly its so funny that you should be back to school!!!! age 9 or there abouts. Hope you dont get banned, no you wont as the mods are all friends with certain people as we know...... When you get older sometimes it works in reverse, you know, going back to child hood. lol xx

Turtle


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
31/08/2009 21:29

Yes yet another raid on the average mans pocket, petrol up again



Over 70% in tax on a gallon and its the 3rd rise in 9 months ..................has this bunch of thieving gits got no shame !

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
31/08/2009 21:47

This tax will have a big impact on the transport as they just cannot absorb any more, so inflation figures will rise again. 3rd time this year equates to 6p I think, its another so called green tax! Gorgon the great, gorgon the theif.... He will go down in history for the PM with enough excuses for his bad management.



He is scottish , but we dont hold that against them, as they didnt want him, .... we were daft enough to have him......

Woodspeckie


Joined: 25/01/2009
Posts: 2263

Message Posted:
31/08/2009 21:53

We didn't have much choice did we , he wasn't voted in.

No response from Coachie yet must be tired out after his shopping trip.

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
31/08/2009 21:56

Coachie took his wife shopping, perhaps he has had to have a lie down after having to open his wallet! it does come as a shock to these blokes. He will be back, have no fear, hes just getting his wind back.......

Turtle


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
31/08/2009 22:10

Govenment figures state a hugh increase in HGV drivers claiming unemployment benefit........and they still put the price of fuel up





Yes as I thought....................no shame.

cyprusairsoft



Joined: 22/06/2009
Posts: 2066

Message Posted:
01/09/2009 10:03

dizzy and turtle just love your posts



i gotta go now as im falling over hatikins toys and i might rupture me gobstopper

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
02/09/2009 12:25

Coachie, I said I would come back with a comparison regarding NI, NIC for one chap was £124.24, and NIC for the employer £144.58! So you see it aint all rosie to employ, in fact this is one of the reasons small firms just cannot have many employees.



On another issue we have now the human rights saying that ALL pensioners are to have the increases even if they live out side the EU. Believe it is being passed today, not sure but a good victory for all the people who have left our wet shores for a sunnier life. LOL XXXXX

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
02/09/2009 17:27

Hahahahahahahaaaaaaaaa, cyprusairsoft, not sure if that old dear ladys understand!!!! but please be careful as there are a few on here who loose it and get quite silly! The toys are teddies and such stuff, venom sometimes, but nothing too dangerous. Nothing I cant handle. lol

chick


Joined: 02/07/2008
Posts: 323

Message Posted:
02/09/2009 17:51

Msg 82.



Why dont you give it a rest, you are now becoming boring.

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
02/09/2009 18:06

Sorry chick, lol

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
02/09/2009 22:39

Turtle /Dizzycow..Do you think the Tories will change anything as far as fuel hikes are concerned? No,No, its the biggest tax earner for any Government. You have the cheek to say Brown ruined small businesses,what the hell did your idol do then .She ruined the bloody country and to take every bodies mind off it and the state of the economy she decided to have herself a little war with Argentina,which cost us more in lost lives and equipment than the so called illegal war that Blair agreed to(ps the tories agreed as well) She was very lucky to come out of that with any glory,so much so that she did not last very long afterwards. I do not worship Brown Blair or any Labour politician,they just happen to be the leader of our party.

Yes I enjoyed my day out shopping and it was not difficult to open my wallet as you say.

Is the figure you quote for NI for one man per week or month.If that figure is for one week he must be earning about £600p/week ...

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
02/09/2009 22:47

Sorry coachie, its for month, it is the NI that the employer has to fork out that kills a lot of small firms. As the turn over sometimes just hits rock bottom and this still has to be found. Now dont you get all huffy about opening your wallet, it was a joke ! As most men just hate shopping, and quite frankly I hate men shopping as well, they dither and put stuff in your trolly they like, and we women put in stuff that we like and then they take it out! lol xx

Geejay


Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 475

Message Posted:
03/09/2009 12:41

Coachie......You don't know what the Tories or any other party would do in power. All you're interested in is seeing your party continue the ruination of the UK. What has this government done to reduce "crime and the causes of crime". The TRNC may not be crime free but it has very much less than the UK.

It was Chancellor Brown that took over a booming economy and then spent the income he gained from all those new taxes. Had to sell off the gold reserves at a ridiculously low price. Then had the cheek to say that he'd outlawed Boom and Bust. What is it we have now?

This party has been too long in power. It doesn't keep its promises. We need change and I will vote for it in the next election.

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
03/09/2009 13:26

Geejay..I am far from seeing my party continue there so called ruination of this country.When we took over from Major things were in a right old state.Why did we have such a landslide victory if it was ok under Tory rule and I might add not one victory but three.Millions of Tories voted for Labour cos they were fed up with your lot and there broken promises.Spouting a load of bull is not the exclusive right of the labour party,tory and liberal are very good at it as well.The British people are very fickle at times and the one who tells the best stories quite often wins until they tell one too many tales,then they decide to have a change.Sometimes it works and sometimes it does not.I always feel safer under my lot.If the Tories had absolute power you would be saying "thankyou " to boss at the works entrance every morning..and paying for every thing you need out of your meagre pittance that they would be paying you.I know it sounds a bit 19th century but believe me they would..

Geejay


Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 475

Message Posted:
03/09/2009 14:13

wow ! That touched a nerve then didn't it coachie ?

The point is.....Time for change ! This lot have run out of excuses, ideas and credibility. I don't know what the next government will be like. Good or Bad. But it has got to be better than we have now.

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
03/09/2009 14:32

Geejay we certainly are ready for a change, well over due me thinks.

Coachie, as this lot just want to give give give, why do you think our gold reserves were sold cheap, they did so to cover the gapping hole that was appearing and he thought he could make it back right now, didnt he, he cant. No more boom and bust says he! We now will have 6 ml out claiming some sort of benifit, they announce yesterday that no young worker will be out of work for more than 10mths! They will put them in employment with employers!! What, who wants to take on these 'youngsters' who do not want to work? they are more of a liability to the firms than this government!. Plus they say youngsters, youngsters at 23yrs old!! they wont be long before they are middle aged! youngsters are the 16/18 bracket, or are they being weened later than we were! lol

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
03/09/2009 16:41

Dizzy..I am not surprised at 6m unemployed in a world wide recession.2m of them were already there when we won the election in1997.The dont want to work culture is a product of your own parties making in 1992 when they started removing them from the employment register and placing them on Incapacity Benefit so it would help them win the election,which they did against all predictions,because of their lies and fiddling of figures.It eventually caught up with them and they were duly booted out in 1997.I have know doubt that same will happen to GB simply beca\use the Tories who voted for him because he promised them wealth will go back to DC because he will do the same..What goes around comes around,but we have nearly 12months yet and funnier things could happen.Yes i am the forever optimist before anyone else can say it..