NHS changes that could affect some of you

IvorBankloan



Joined: 14/08/2009
Posts: 180

Message Posted:
02/09/2009 11:58

Because my wife had 3 months out of the country to stay with me in Dubai she has been refused NHS treatment unless she pays.

The new government directive says you are excluded from freee health care if you have 6 months out of UK The NHS are asking for proof of you not being out of UK for 6 months before you even get an appintment.



Sometimes I wish i was a black one legged homosexual immigrant::: top of the council house list, food allowances, minimum wages jobs with family credit, free health care, free English lessons, free training and unemployment benefit if you lose you job.

In UAE if you lose your job you have to go home within a month.

I don't know if the Gardian or the Telegraph will print the story i sent in today but they might like to do a bit more government bashing.

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
02/09/2009 12:02

Ivor, have I read that correct. Your wife only had 3 months out of the country, how did the new directive affect her?

teatime


Joined: 20/10/2008
Posts: 852

Message Posted:
02/09/2009 13:01

Well, this'll set Coachie off again.

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
02/09/2009 13:05

re msg 1



>>Sometimes I wish i was a black one legged homosexual immigrant::: top of the council house list, food allowances, minimum wages jobs with family credit, free health care, free English lessons, free training and unemployment benefit if you lose you job. <<



I can ASSURE you that if you are a legal immigrant to the UK - ALL the above is UNTRUE. Does the expression "No recourse to Public funds" mean anything to you?.. Well it does to LEGAL immigrants.



You need to apply for Political asylum !

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
02/09/2009 13:07

re msg 1 cont ...msg 2 very valid.. if you can prove UK residency within that period WHAT's the prob?

stellasstar1



Joined: 02/07/2008
Posts: 1519

Message Posted:
02/09/2009 13:09

Yes, we have been here before on this one. I also had a letter saying I could no longer have free health care. It seems some people are getting this letter and not others. I know other people who have been here as long or longer than me and have not had the letter. I started work at 17 and stopped at 59 and all that time paid my Natonal Health stamp. From the age of 26 had private health care so never had any operations on the NHS, and now when I am getting older and can no longer afford private health they say I am not eligible for free NHS. I had the letter after I had been out of the country for 1 year and that was 2 years ago.

Stella

dalartokat


Joined: 14/04/2008
Posts: 734

Message Posted:
02/09/2009 13:53

Yes this has been said before on the other forums too and I got ridiculed and abused for informing people. Some of them come on this board and harp on about their NI contributions they have made which is nothing to do with it. There has been warnings of the changes coming into force but they have been there for a long time but not enforced. The reason Stellastar others might not have letters is because they are not telling the truth about leaving the UK and still using UK addresses either their own or family. You are supposed to surrender your Medical Card when you leave the UK to live abroad which many are not doing.

All Government depts are linking and informing. Passenger lists for people travelling to and from abroad are forwarded also to these depts. Whether we like it or not the usual is happening, those that try to defraud the system are spoiling it for those who need it and this is the result.

scoobydoo


Joined: 10/11/2008
Posts: 2434

Message Posted:
02/09/2009 14:28

There was and article in an on-paper, probably 5 or 6 months ago, about a guy who had gone to Spain and stayed for longer than 3 months before returning to UK. He had an op and obviously talked to the nurses, doctors etc (probably about his sun tan) and before he knew it he was given a bill for his op and his stay in hospital.



He was told that he was not entitled to free NHS treatment as he had been outside of the UK for longer than 3 months, it made no difference at all that he was retired and worked all his life in UK and therefore contributed via National Insurance funds.

OLDGIRL



Joined: 02/10/2008
Posts: 118

Message Posted:
02/09/2009 14:57

Does this mean I will not have to pay my national insurance stamp on my return to work after 5 months here,

some hopes. x

TinLondon


Joined: 20/07/2009
Posts: 171

Message Posted:
02/09/2009 17:15

Just over the last year, the UK has had some system upgrades which make it easier to detect who leaves and enters at UK Border Control. Every passport is machine read when leaving (at check in) and upon entry at passport control. This information is then relayed to other government agencies to fight benefit fraud, to identify criminals (sometimes even like missed court appearances) and to the NHS to tackle health tourists. The database went live about 4 months ago and already it has helped police arrest a large number of visitors who have come back to the UK for offences committed some years ago (this was shown on a BBC News article last month). The system is also being used to update NHS records when someone leaves the UK and remains outside the country for more than 6 months. In this case, the individual will lose the right to free NHS treatment regardless of nationality unless they can prove they have come back to stay for good (i.e job details and home / utility details).

gates


Joined: 08/12/2008
Posts: 1096

Message Posted:
02/09/2009 17:43

its amazing realy when youthink in the old days say sixsties how many people did colect there pention probly 3 out of ten made 70 so were did all there money go . i think we all know do gooders gave it away and now after paying in all your life again whoes giving it away again same lot . when i was in the picture cafe the other day some do good cristinns was at it again telling an unfortunate coloured gent how to get into england all i have seen that said gent doing is no work wont work and going to get your hand outs if they can wake up world

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
02/09/2009 17:44

Old girl..Do you mean you have been in TRNC for the last five months and are now coming back to UK to work.If so do not be surprised if you get a letter from DWP asking you pay for the missing contributions because that affects your pension pay out.



Teatime..It is only what I have been saying for the last couple of months and you all poo-pooed me with "I have paid into it all my life". NHS care is a RESIDENTIAL right.No live inUK no get free NHS..AS for my comments on the pension rights ..purely .my own opinion.It is right what previous poster says,people are cheating the system by not telling their GP that they are leaving the UK.They have this stupid idea that bec\ause the are British they are ENTITLED to any thing that other people get in the UK especially if they can allow immigrants to get it. There are currently 450000 immigrants who have been refused because they do not qualify so its not as easy as you make out to get all these free benefits..

Ozbey


Joined: 04/03/2009
Posts: 304

Message Posted:
02/09/2009 19:40

gates,

Sorry, I just don't understand what you are trying to say.

Please try again, maybe some punctuation would help us less clever members to understand "what the hell you are on about"

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
02/09/2009 19:54

ozbey..I do agree with you on that,but having read it again I can see his /her general point.People in the 60s,did not tend to live very long after retirement,mainly due to industrial sicknesses, i.e. coalminers,print workers,people who used asbestos but to name a few,so they did not draw a lot of the pension money they paid in.He is suggesting that various governments "gave " it away to useless causes.Now he has paid in to the present time some one else has pinched it off him and is giving it to black immigrants who will not work and just collect all the benefits they can.I think that is the general gist of his post. Some valid points there....

Pipie


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
02/09/2009 20:19

It is not all immigrants , it is the crafty that work the benefit system , just look on the govt sites there is so many benefits out there for all to claim , so can you imagine the money pot in 10 years not much in there i bet !!

girne 29


Joined: 06/12/2007
Posts: 1488

Message Posted:
02/09/2009 21:32

oldgirl message 9.



Nothing to do with how long you live abroad for.You pay NI because when you are resident in the UK you get to use things like NHS which have to be paid for by everyone .You also need it to get a state pension or a benifit, the first 6 months of jobseekers allowance for example is based on NI contributions .



Ivorbankloan

Careful with the Govt bashing, that rule was out before labour came into power, what has changed is the time.

It has moved from 12 months to 6 months the time the govt decides you are no longer a resident of the UK.



This rule would still apply even if all the millions of illegal immigrants ,jobseekers, homosexual one legged black

gentlemen.



Working in Dubai,I hope you still pay UK income tax as, although I am not saying you fall into this category, I find that the people who are most vocal about the unemployed , benifit cheats, immigrants,spongers, are themselves non UK taxpayers cheating the system.

IvorBankloan



Joined: 14/08/2009
Posts: 180

Message Posted:
02/09/2009 21:36

All vaild points ( well most of them) but you have to consider that in most cases (incl my wife) the person has was born in, worked in, paid tax NI is UK.

To say that doesn't count after being away for 3 months is utter B***CKs. even the directive says 6 month of any one year.

Anyone that pays into a private pension or a private health care plan doesn't have their contributions wiped out by going out of the country.

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
02/09/2009 22:05

Ivorbankloan..It has not changed to six months yet,it is still under review. You have not paid enough to qualify for your pension rights yet(40yrs)and you have lost your rights to NHS when you moved abroad.You were treated whilst you lived here what more do you want.Its a bit like PAYE,just in this case its TAYE,The letter T being for TREAT.



Pipie ..yes and a lot of them live in the TRNC..

kaysera


Joined: 14/07/2009
Posts: 103

Message Posted:
02/09/2009 22:17

Msg 7: "You are supposed to surrender your Medical Card when you leave the UK to live abroad which many are not doing."

What medical card? Never had one.

dalartokat


Joined: 14/04/2008
Posts: 734

Message Posted:
02/09/2009 22:58

Kaysera, NHS Medical Card is what you apply for to register with a doctor and its proof that you are entitled to NHS treatment. You apply for it from your Local Health Authority. Doctors surgeries are supposed to ask for it if you change doctors. If you go to hospital they ask for your NHS number, but it can be done by your National Insurance Number or by giving answers to security questions, ie your address and date of birth. I will quote from the back of the card "If you go abroad for more than 3 months please send this card back to us. Our address is on the front. You will need to register with a doctor again when you come home".



Needless to say again there are many people who do not tell the Authorities that they have left the country and keep their addresses or those of relatives. Thats how come many return home and get their treatment. If you surrender this card it places your Medical records in an archive in London and are retrieved if you return.

dalartokat


Joined: 14/04/2008
Posts: 734

Message Posted:
02/09/2009 23:04

On the back of the card also it says "if you need to see a doctor take this card with you so that your doctor knows that you are entitled to NHS treatment. You may have to pay if you do not. If so, get a receipt from your doctor showing how to recover the fee".



Maybe the Medical Card is something slightly out of date, I don't know, but for me on Sunday just gone I had to take myself to hospital and I was asked for my Medical no. I did not have it to hand and gave my name and address and date of birth.

Pipie


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
02/09/2009 23:57

Coachie , how can you work the UK benefit system if you reside in theTRNC ???

teatime


Joined: 20/10/2008
Posts: 852

Message Posted:
03/09/2009 00:29

I've never had a medical card either, and never been asked for one. Is this something one has to apply for?

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
03/09/2009 00:43

pipie my friend many here know how to milk it. Just listen to how many will tell you they get fuel allowence. Invalidy etc.Its thier right they say. Even tonight customers told me they get 6 months perscriptions each time. What do we beleive xxxx Is it a regional thing as I know Wales has free prescriptions.

elkiton



Joined: 15/03/2009
Posts: 514

Message Posted:
03/09/2009 07:02

Whilst I think the suspension of NHS care for the ukexpats living abroad is iniquitous, it is unfortunately the way it is. Last week I had to pay £600 here to have an unexpected operation on my arm rather than return to the uk after a year and pay over there, so we have decided to set aside sme money monthly to cover bills like these in future.



Given that as a lifelong worker, and NI contributor, a uk resident is entitled to free treatment after their contributions stop when retired, and an ex pat is not, I wonder if there is a case for discrimination (on the basis that we paid the same, but receive different benefits), and would the ECHR (once reached) be sympathetic?



Any of you web researchers know if there has ever been a case through the uk courts re this situation ?



regards

Tonye

nurseawful



Joined: 06/02/2009
Posts: 5934

Message Posted:
03/09/2009 07:20

However if you are in possession of a European Health Insurance Card which is the equivalent of the old E111 form you are entitled to free or reduced rate treatment anywhere in the EU which includes the UK. These can be renewed on line if you have a UK address.

Chris

stellasstar1



Joined: 02/07/2008
Posts: 1519

Message Posted:
03/09/2009 14:52

I was first sent a Eurpean health Insurance Card and then had a letter a few months later saying that I could no longer use it, I didn't qualify as I was living in North Cyprus -- not recognized.

scoobydoo


Joined: 10/11/2008
Posts: 2434

Message Posted:
03/09/2009 15:19

Nurseawful,



do the restrictions of being outside of the UK for 3months plus not apply then if you have a European Health Insurance Card?

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
03/09/2009 16:28

nurseawful..I have a EHIC document,but i cannot use it in TRNC,not valid.Therefore if you have one and do not have a permanent UK address you are cheating the system.It is obvious a lot of people in the TRNC have not informed there GP that they are moving permanently there so they do not get struck off the GP list of patients,but eventually they will catch up with them..



Elkiton..NHS care is based on RESIDENCE not contributions.The law has been like that for several years now and it will probably take several years to get it changed,if ever.Do not see the next lot doing anything about it ,they are already talking about funding cuts or as they say "reorganisation"

TinLondon


Joined: 20/07/2009
Posts: 171

Message Posted:
03/09/2009 16:45

Not informing your GP that you no longer live in the UK is neither here or there. Most UK Border crossings you make now is tracked, i.e. your passport is machine read on exit and again on entry in to the UK. There is now connectivity between the two systems (Border Control and the NHS) so to track if someone is in or out of the country is very easy now. Having a postal address registered in your name is no guarantee that you will receive free NHS treatment. I know for a fact that this system is now up and running and will become more effective over the coming months as more UK ports go live.

stilluvithere



Joined: 03/12/2008
Posts: 765

Message Posted:
03/09/2009 17:34

As a retired civil servant, like many people here, I still pay tax at the rate of 20% If the UK govt were to stop taking this I would gladly cut all ties with the National health as I could use that money to pay for a very good health insurance. It seems the govt want 20% of my pension and give nothing in return. Is that fair

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
03/09/2009 18:06

Stilluvithere..They only want 20%of the remaining excess over £9760,beingyour Personal Allowance each year if you do not work.Like I have said before,you do not pay the extra tax ,VAT or spend your money here.We do which helps pay for our continued health care.You are supporting another economy not this one,besides you had all your needs met whilst you lived here and paying your dues.I think it is perfectly fair...



TinLondon..if you look on the DWP website for moving abroad ..It tells you there that you have to do it.

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
03/09/2009 18:09

Nurse awful..When I had to have some treatment in Crete last year,it was not free.I had to pay then submit aclaim for re-imbursement from the DWP,which took 3months,so if you lived in TRNC how would you be able to claim off the DWP...

Woodspeckie


Joined: 25/01/2009
Posts: 2263

Message Posted:
03/09/2009 20:08

What about this lot spending thousands of pounds of ours on consultants to tell them they need to cut the NHS staff by 10% including clinical staff and admin, the government have rejected their suggestion, it doesn't take consultants to tell them where to cut we the public could tell them, it is the bureaucracy that needs cutting.

dalartokat


Joined: 14/04/2008
Posts: 734

Message Posted:
03/09/2009 21:11

Kaysera?Teatime the following maybe the reason you have never been given a NHS Medical Card



How do I get an NHS Medical Card?

Where a person has registered as a patient at a doctors' surgery, they may receive an NHS Medical Card, which exists for purely NHS administrative purposes, and provides basic details such as a patient's name, address, NHS number, registered practice (or the name of an individual practitioner) and details of the local PCT.



When you register with a new doctor, the receptionist will give you a form to fill in (GMS1). When you have completed and returned the forms, your local primary care trust (PCT) will transfer your medical records to your new surgery and write to you to confirm your registration as a patient with the surgery.



NHS Medical Cards are not universally used - some PCTs don't issue them at all, others do so only on request

joanie1


Joined: 25/07/2008
Posts: 164

Message Posted:
03/09/2009 21:27

This is a really interesting thread but despite all the frustrations we feel we should stay calm - share our experiences and instead of sniping at one another (like the picture of the gentleman holding his glass of alcohol) - is it the beer or wine talking I wonder. If it is of any interest let me tell you what happened to me. I live in Alsancak and although I have residency I travel back to the UK about five or six times a year to see family and friends. I do not have a home in the UK but stay with one or other of my daughters or a friend. Just before leaving for UK on 7th August I managed to split my forehead open on a bathroom cabinet at 6 am and as the taxi was arriving in 20 minutes had to sit with a towel on my head mopping up the blood - sorry bit gruesome! Anyway was seen at Larnaca Airport and they sent an ambulance to take me to hospital within five minutes stitched up and bandaged and ambulance took me back to airport. I asked how much I owed them and

joanie1


Joined: 25/07/2008
Posts: 164

Message Posted:
03/09/2009 21:39

they said nothing. I made no secret of the fact I lived in the north but they were true professionals. I missed my plane and because of the situation although I had bought the cheapest non refundable ticket they (Cyprus Airways) transferred me to a later plane at no extra charge except the normal 50 euros admin fee. I went to the nearest doctors surgery in Englandf five days later - to have the stitches taken out - asked what the situation was - I used to live in that village for years but was totally upfront that I no longer live there - and I was told to register as a temporary patient. This I did by filling in a simple form - stitches taken out - told to come back if I had any problems. At no time was I asked how long I had been out of the country.

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
03/09/2009 21:53

Joanie1..The glass in my hand contains Ribena,and who am I sniping at?? If making a statement i believe to right why is it sniping?? I see you are retired and live there,did I say something that might have applied to you in the past?? Your accident was treated in the EU so you could use your EHIC.Some ares accept it without payment,others accept but you pay and claim back.If you have to pay and can find the local office of medical care,they will reimburse you there for your treatment.Finding that office can be difficult some times as I found out in Crete.

Woodspeckie..Your contribution to the cost would probably be about 10pence taking into consideration how many people pay taxes in the UK.You make such a dramatic gesture out of a simple thing as if you had paid the bill.Apparantly it was done at the request of a junior minister without sanction from his bosses.Dont worry my dear the others have the same in mind but will not disclose how much.To hot a potato for them to handle..

joanie1


Joined: 25/07/2008
Posts: 164

Message Posted:
03/09/2009 21:57

Sorry everyone this keeps disappearing. What I'd like to say I think we all resent paying taxes to a country we no longer live in if officially we are not supposed to use any of the services there but it seems the situation is really confusing. Maybe we should all get together and lobby the government for clarity (if they actually know what that means). Unlike the gentleman with the glass full of alcohol I do feel that if you have paid your taxes for 40 years in a country and are still paying a lot of taxes on your various pensions then if you need emergency treatment in that country you should have it - and certainly in front of the so called health tourists. If it is the law then the law needs to be changed and only people power can do that. So anyone out there willing to make any suggestions. I'm afraid I don't have the slightest idea of how to go about it. Sorry if I have bored everyone.



Joan

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
03/09/2009 21:57

Joannie1..would like to see the end of your post if possible?? But as I keep repeating to all those who think I am some sort of wino,please refrainfrom those comments about what is in my glass.Insults can flow both ways and I do not see any need for that....

joanie1


Joined: 25/07/2008
Posts: 164

Message Posted:
03/09/2009 22:04

Coachie please accept my apology - Ribena is good and I'm really glad you enjoy it. But I honestly feel the law needs changing - you obviously don't so we have to agree to differ but I'm sorry if my comments offended you - hopefully we can disagree in a civilised manner. I don't know where the rest of my post disappeared to - I'm not very good on computers.



Joan

dalartokat


Joined: 14/04/2008
Posts: 734

Message Posted:
03/09/2009 22:23

Joanie1 in my opinion, the reason you would have been treated for free is because you were classed as a walk in "patient" however if you had been referred to outpatients, taken to accident and emergency then referred to hospital I believe you would have been charged had you divulged that you no longer lived in the UK. I believe the confusion came about because there was no implication of the the rules. Tourism managers were appointed in hospitals back in 2004(it could have been later)and it was found that they were "too embarrassed" and "afraid" to ask and no one was enforcing the rules. Doctors have always said that they are not politicians, that their role is to treat people.. We all have stories I could bore you with mine but the information is out there and I have to disagree with you that you should be entitled to free treatment in the UK when you feel you need it just because you pay tax on your pension.........cont....

dalartokat


Joined: 14/04/2008
Posts: 734

Message Posted:
03/09/2009 22:26

..cont you should have made arrangements in the country you now reside and support that country by following what it asks of you and that is to pay for treatment where necessary or take out good health insurance.

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
03/09/2009 22:30

If that's a glass of Ribena than I drink gripe water with my dinner!



Richard

Woodspeckie


Joined: 25/01/2009
Posts: 2263

Message Posted:
03/09/2009 22:33

Coachie was celebrating at some party.

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
03/09/2009 22:35

Joannie1..If you care to look back at some of my previous posts I have stated on more than one occasion that I wish the government did not tax you on your pensions and whatever else you may have stashed away.The provisio being you are not entitled to ANY state benefits,NHS,PENSION increases,heating allowance etc.You could all then afford to pay in the country you reside in for your requirements.Alas I do not run the Government, and have to pay taxes as well as you.I do not see the situation changing and it does not matter who is running the show..We will continue to differ in a pleasant way as long as you do not refer to me as"the man with glass of alcohol".I do not need alcohol to make my staetments..

westender


Joined: 14/05/2009
Posts: 328

Message Posted:
03/09/2009 22:47

The Citizens Advice Bureau has some very comprehensive advice about who is eligible for free NHS care in the UK - http://www.adviceguide.org.uk

dalartokat


Joined: 14/04/2008
Posts: 734

Message Posted:
03/09/2009 23:15

Sorry my message 42 should have read..... "overseas managers" not tourism managers..

IvorBankloan



Joined: 14/08/2009
Posts: 180

Message Posted:
03/09/2009 23:19

Re meg 18



my contributions are not in dispute, I've lived in every backstreet s**thole in the world in the past 15 years, Kazakhstan, Peru Nigeria and so on but my wife had lived, worked and paid tax and NI in UK with the exception of 3 months in the last 6 months having got fed up with me having all the fun she decided to cramp my style give up work and steer me past the pubs.

It's wrong whasen any drunk. druggy or Sunday footballer gets free treatment.

Th eletter to the health sec probaly wont change anything but the copy to the shadow health sec might hi light it

AlexF065


Joined: 07/09/2009
Posts: 271

Message Posted:
08/09/2009 03:09

Well it seems to me that you take out the EU health thing and get treatment is southern cyprus as that is an EU reconised area

And what about if you do keep property in the uk? and you are not a resident of anyother country how would it work then i wonder?

As it seems so long as you are happy to do so you do not need to be a resident of north cyprus and can just keep geting 90 day visas from what i have seen on this forum

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
08/09/2009 12:32

Brinsley..Could be Blackcurrent juice,and if you drink gripe water its obvious by the tone of some of your replies "I had an illegal dump etc" on one of the pages on the forum.Not nice Richard old chap ,really do not want to know about your hygene problems.....

IvorBankloan



Joined: 14/08/2009
Posts: 180

Message Posted:
12/09/2009 17:55

Re msg 50

I have a house in UK, 100% council tax when the house is empty and 75% council tax if I'm away but my wife is in UK which is most of the time.

My wife has paid tax & NI every week for 21 years but not in the last 3 months when she gave up work to keep me from having too much fun in Dubai

IvorBankloan



Joined: 14/08/2009
Posts: 180

Message Posted:
12/09/2009 17:57

RE msg 51

Coachie I love that picture it makes me pour one every time I see it.

stilluvithere



Joined: 03/12/2008
Posts: 765

Message Posted:
12/09/2009 18:12

Coachie,

I am not old enough for that tax bracket and like so many retired cicil servants pay quite a lot of tax. I would love it for the UK tax man to say don't pay tax here, pay in the country you reside in and I wouldn't dream of using any services in the UK but they wont.

So all the time I am paying tax in the UK why shouldn't I be entitled to at least as much as someone who lives there and has never worked and never contributed a penny let alone all the immigrants

IvorBankloan



Joined: 14/08/2009
Posts: 180

Message Posted:
12/09/2009 19:03

bang on !!

In the good time sin UK I used to pay more tax than earn now so I don't think any of us should be excluded from using the services we've already paid into

stilluvithere



Joined: 03/12/2008
Posts: 765

Message Posted:
15/09/2009 14:39

come on coachie, cat got your tongue

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
15/09/2009 16:10

stilluvit here..no the cat has not..been out for awhile.Can I make it quite clear..I do not make the laws in England.If this or any other government say you are not entitled to any NHS then so be it.You can pay into it for two lifetimes and it does not matter,It is based on residency not contributions.Your pensions increase,you get heating allowance because they are based on your contributions.

Ivorbankloan

If you stay out of the country for longer than 6 months your entitlement ceases.Whilst your wife lived in the UK she was entitled to whatever she can get.So send her back for the next 6months and she will be ok...Well at .least some one likes the picture,most think I am just a wino..Just as a pointer,its not that easy for immigrants outside of the EU to get all these benefits every body is shouting about.There are 400000 failed asylum seekers who get nothing.My grand son and his girlfriend get £62 pweek plus the rent on there flat paid.Not exactly a fortune is it..

stilluvithere



Joined: 03/12/2008
Posts: 765

Message Posted:
15/09/2009 16:28

there may be 400000 failed asylum seekers who get nothing but have you any idea of the successful ones there are that get almost everything they desire and then their relatives arrive and so it goes on. If the coffers weren't emptied by these people there would be money enough to fund those whose rights are taken away

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
15/09/2009 16:45

stiluvithere..Most of those you are referring to are from the East who were given passports and allowed in here.The system is not perfect but getting better and a lot of the benefits they get (EU immigrants)sorry workers, are made by the EU through our government.If we were not in the EU they would not be in such a big hurry to come here..



AlexFO65..If you have a permanent residence in this country and go abroad for less than 6months of the year you are entitled to all the UK benefits.It only changes if you sell up and move abroad on a permanent basis.I know its unfair that you have paid into it for all your life etc etc.BUt medical treatment is based on residency not on contributions. I wish the government would change the tax laws so no retired person no matter where they lived paid taxes.The first MP to stand up and saythat would walk away with the next election,but we all know that is not going to happen nor will they change any of the existing laws on NHS treatment to costly...

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
15/09/2009 17:17

All I would say is that any 'illegal' immigrant that has arrived in the UK and is residing in a holding center until their case is heard is entitled to free health care (both dental and clinic/hospital). I have a family friend staying with us at the moment and he works for a security firm and his job is accompanying failed immigrants back to their country of departure. And I do not like what he has been telling me. So for all Brit expats wanting to avail themselves of dental/medical treatment in the UK I suggest getting a second passport (perhaps from an African state, quite easy to do so I am told) and present yourself as an illegal immigrant. Oh you get quite a nice hotel to stay in into the bargain. I am told that the holding centres provide a better level of service than most hotels.

AJ

stilluvithere



Joined: 03/12/2008
Posts: 765

Message Posted:
15/09/2009 18:14

I didn't realise they had moved Somalia and Nigeria to eastern Eurpoe, they are the spongers I was referring to.

Some years ago, I was waiting in the dentist and a Somallian lady walked with a letter expaining to the receptionist that she was a Somallian immigrant on benefits and wanted to be seen for free, she even went in ahead of me

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
15/09/2009 21:32

Stillluvithere..These are the ones I object to as well,but like I said once the system gets hold of them they get nothing if they are refused asylum.We are not the only country in the EU with this problem,but we are definitely the softest.None of the political parties will change it ,because it as a good vote catcher and that is all they are after..Like you I was in a photography shop not long ago looking at a new camera,in walked these two immigrants,one who could speak english ,the other not a word.The english speaker said that this other chap had a letter of credit off the Social to buy a camera.Looking at the letter the assistant showed the guy what he could have,which I might add was not what he wanted.After several minutes of arguing the assistant told him to take his letter elsewhere.When Iasked the assistant about the fracus,he said the bloke had a letter for £25 but he was demanding a £300 video camera.Glad to see that they do not get there own way all the time..

teatime


Joined: 20/10/2008
Posts: 852

Message Posted:
15/09/2009 22:25

I can't believe that our taxes are being given to people to 'buy a camera', why is that essential? Feed the starving, clothe and home the destitute, but not money for luxuries, please!!!

IvorBankloan



Joined: 14/08/2009
Posts: 180

Message Posted:
25/09/2009 13:20

A bit of an update on the refusal to treat my wife on the NHS.

A letter to the minister of health was't going to work but a leter to the shadow minsiter worked. You know how the parties like to bash each other with stuff like this.



If you've been out of the country for 6 monts of any year you lose the right to use the NHS. ( you can use it but you have to pay)

If the treatment is cosmetic you dont get it anyway but if its medical you can argue. your case

As I said originally my wife was only away for 3 months so after rattling the right cages we are getting the treatment on the NHS without paying.

The BUPA cover we have with my job excludes existing conditions and this is unfortunately an existing condition.

IvorBankloan



Joined: 14/08/2009
Posts: 180

Message Posted:
25/09/2009 13:22

A bit of an update on the refusal to treat my wife on the NHS.

A letter to the minister of health was't going to work but a leter to the shadow minsiter worked. You know how the parties like to bash each other with stuff like this.



If you've been out of the country for 6 monts of any year you lose the right to use the NHS. ( you can use it but you have to pay)

If the treatment is cosmetic you dont get it anyway but if its medical you can argue. your case

As I said originally my wife was only away for 3 months so after rattling the right cages we are getting the treatment on the NHS without paying.

The BUPA cover we have with my job excludes existing conditions and this is unfortunately an existing condition.

Pipie


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
26/09/2009 01:18

I suggest you all log into the department of health website, some rules have surprised me !!!!

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
26/09/2009 01:37

Its a mine feild Pipie. Glad Im out of it xxxxx

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
26/09/2009 14:46

Dear AJ



re 60 >>I suggest getting a second passport (perhaps from an African state, quite easy to do so I am told) and present yourself as an illegal immigrant.<<



Hmm, I think you need to talk to your friend, some !! ... The illegals don't have any ID - deliberately.. then WHERE can the UK end them BACK too ?.....





Watching a few episodes of some of the UK docs re the UK Border Agency will bring you up to speed !

mamachina


Joined: 22/11/2008
Posts: 730

Message Posted:
26/09/2009 16:21

Ive only just ploughed through this thread. I have to go back yearly to see my consultant oncologist at the Marsden - I had original op under NHS before coming here. They make my appt each time and never say anything about payment, and they have my records showing we moved here. As I have to go for 10 years the air fare is my 'payment'!!! I wouldnt bother to go back to the 'doom ridden country' if it wasnt for the yearly "inspection and MOT".