The north still under the political wing of Turkey

newlad



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Message Posted:
03/09/2009 21:27

http://www.propertywire.com/news/europe/property-investment-in-northern-cyprus-continues-to-be-difficult-due-to-economic-embargo-200909023469.html



Good on ya Ahmet.

andy-f


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Message Posted:
03/09/2009 21:42

hi paul , i saw this feed today and my first thoughts were that turkey is preparing for the inevitable parting of the ways between the north and the south. you can sense from the rhetoric comming from turkey that no deal will happen when these talks end and other avenues as its been put will be the way forward. but what will these new avenues be? ? ?

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
03/09/2009 22:47

Seeing it was TR's action in "creating TRNC" in 1983 - and the potential billions in damages payable to displaced GCs, don't you think that it is in TR's interest to get a deal ?





They can only hope that Russia and China have a change of heart as the UN Security Council resolutions re "TRNC"s "legally invalid" status won't go away.. and IF TR tried annexing ..



If the settlement talks fail, and it is deemed to be GC intransigence that caused them to fail, I STILL don't see how China or Russia will relent on withdrawing the resolutions... if the "rump" RoC don't wish it...



Heck of a mess..:(

yorgozlu



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Message Posted:
03/09/2009 22:49

msg2;

New avenues????????????

andy-f


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Message Posted:
03/09/2009 22:50

mark it is a heck of a mess , but surely the "status quo" cant continue?

andy-f


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Message Posted:
03/09/2009 22:58

yorgozlu , the TR fm quoted recently saying the talks "cant go on for ever " and if no agreement in place they will look at other options ( same as other avenues)

yorgozlu



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Message Posted:
03/09/2009 23:10

andy-f;

re msg6;

Same things have been said for the past 35 years.They are politicions at the end of the day.They have to keep in limelight all the time.

Come elections,would you vote for someone you've never heard of?



I'm not saying that the foreign minister was lying but same old same old.



Bit like parent and child situation,you only see and hear what the politicions/parent want you to see or hear.

Lilli



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Message Posted:
03/09/2009 23:46

I think we should listen to 6ms. the talks are going nowhere but turkey is

newlad



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Message Posted:
04/09/2009 00:18

Sorry to sound like an old record but the E.U. need Turkey more then Turkey need the E.U.

Paul.

newlad



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Message Posted:
04/09/2009 01:02

Waz,

Whats your thoughts,

Paul.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
04/09/2009 01:26

re msg 5



The "status quo" could continue - if TR can avoid huge payout to GCs for "loss of use" OR if TCs can successfully show the RoC system of property redress is flawed...



It depends how much TR wants to get in the EU.. AND if the players that count WANT to "enforce" a settlement by withdrawing support for continued UN backed non recognition.



Paul, WHY does the EU need TR more than TR needs it? ( btw - I want TR in)...

andy-f


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Message Posted:
04/09/2009 20:26

mark , what is your honest opinion of the final outcome?

HildySmith


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Message Posted:
04/09/2009 20:58

Seeing it was GCs action in "causing the TRNC to be formed" in 1983 - and the potential billions in damages payable to displaced TCs, don't you think that it is in GC's interest to get a deal ? They think that the only hope is that Russia and China have a change of heart as the UN Security Council resolutions re "GCs "legally valid" status won't go away.. and IF GC's tried annexing ..

If the settlement talks fail, and it is deemed to be GC intransigence that caused them to fail, I STILL don't see how China or Russia will relent on withdrawing the resolutions... if the "rump" don't wish it...

Heck of a mess..:( As the song says ITWORKS BOTH WAYS!!!!!!!

The TRNC do not need the GC's - so what is the point.

andre 514


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Message Posted:
04/09/2009 23:01

paul,



thanks for the link



there is the possibilty that turkey will annexe north cyprus,

in the face of its continuing economic and political subjection



should turkey grasp the nettle,

it will mean the republic of cyprus will be oblidged to confront the turkish state directly,

over the oil exploration programme as one of very many issues: may god help them...



and since the world or even the eu does not revolve around cyprus,

this will not be why turkey and the eu will sometime soon shut down the accession talks:



the real reasons are that

firstly many european voters don't want turks as next door neighbours,

secondly france and german leaders couldn't risk being outvoted by turkey and (yes!) britain



cyprus would feature strongly in the eu's "final statement" at the end of the tortuous process

but as window-dressing only!



with turkey set to become russia's poodle,

as once again the gc's "miss the boat" but this time are accompanied at the quayside by the eu

Turtle


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Message Posted:
05/09/2009 00:06

Suppose thats a matter of opinion ?

andre 514


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Message Posted:
05/09/2009 00:21

bonio,



you state your residence as "kyrenia" on the members profile:

is that as of now,

or in the good old/bad old days, before it was called "girne"?



andre

Turtle


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Message Posted:
05/09/2009 00:25

He he





back again pikey ?

andre 514


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Message Posted:
05/09/2009 10:46

"bonio" mwssage 15:



next thing you'll be telling us are the reasons for the 1974 peace operation

were not of the gc's making either, it all just happened out of the blue sort of

or alternatively turkey just wanted to please kissinger etc etc (cont. page 94)



but y'know pikey, what's most telling about your brief but pithy posting's this:

just as one refers to girne to as kyrenia, which we all do some of the time...

you, the gc regime and all their fellow travellers are stuck firmly in the past,

left waiting and wanting at the bus stop... with their new friends from the eu



for a cyprus deal their outmoded world view will ensure can never be signed



andre

girne 29


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Message Posted:
05/09/2009 19:33

Andre514

ref message 14



I dont need to post as your post matched word for word what I have being saying for ages. Doesnt the ROC get it, times are hard in the EU and 99.9% of the EU population couldnt care less if ROC(who they?? )and Greece hinder Turkeys entry into the EU.

Tenakoutou



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Message Posted:
05/09/2009 21:55

Annexation of TRNC by Turkey seems inevitable.



The 'peace talks' have been a prolonged farce for 35 odd years.



TRNC is surviving on handouts from Ankara - more cash needed monthly/annually as inflation and cost of living in TRNC spirals - Turkey's coffers can't, surely, be a 'bottomless pit'.



The bitter dispute over Turkey's water supply to Syria and Iraq must escalate - possibly even result in military conflict, although we all hope not.



If Turkey needed to withdraw substantial numbers of troops out of TRNC in the event of any conflict - would there be less incentive for Ankara to continue to bankroll TRNC to the tune that TC's have become accustomed to?



Turkey makes the rules in TRNC - will they annex TRNC, or 'throw her to the wolves' (RoC) by forcing through the 'peace deal' in order to ingratiate themselves with EU & UN?



Would they be prepared to sacrifice their TC 'brothers' for the sake of international acceptance?



It's all in the 'melting pot'!

Arthur


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Message Posted:
05/09/2009 22:48

Msgs 15 & 18



as Cpt Mainwaring would have said "don't give them your name"

Tenakoutou



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Message Posted:
05/09/2009 22:55

Sorry, Arthur, but what's that got to do with the price of fish?

Geejay


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Message Posted:
06/09/2009 19:49

No such thing as maintaining the status quo. Things have to change soon......Plan B it is then !

andre 514


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Message Posted:
07/09/2009 03:41

john message 21:



another posting assembled more by intuition than the facts



turkish control of the headwaters of the near east is indeed a source of tension,

but turkey's huge and formidable army could handle almost all eventualities



forget about turkey giving north cypus away, it is protecting its own people there as well



dunno about "international acceptance" but the franco-german eu leadership made it clear

time and again turkey is unwelcome for reasons I'm too weary to repeat



yet gc supporters and ambivalent persons ask you to believe that our cyprus backwater

is something euro-polticians lose sleep over, believe me they don't give it a second thought:

but as her goebels put it: "the bigger the lie..." etc



turkey has a regional alliance with israel, an established strategic partnership with the usa,

and nascent working relations with russia (think atomic reactor deal and gas pipelines)



turkey would only take over the trnc to counter the illegal blockade

CyprusChill


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Message Posted:
07/09/2009 04:17

The minor displacement of Turkish Cypriots.

The major attempt by Greek Cypriots.



Cypriots will decide the outcome.



Time will tell.

CyprusChill


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Message Posted:
07/09/2009 04:36

Is Mr Ahmet Davutoglu, in terms of Status Quo, fully adverse with the ' Rockin all over ' years of 1955 - 59.

Comment would be much appreciated.



Or perhaps the saviour years, 1974, SAXON, the eagle has landed.

MarkVPiazza


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Message Posted:
07/09/2009 16:39

More Fleetwood Mac - "Go Your Own Way" or Neil Sedaka "Breaking-up is Hard to Do" or Bob Dylan "Most Likely You Go Your Way and I'll Go Mine"



Mark

yorgozlu



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Message Posted:
07/09/2009 19:49

Dont be a plonker all your life bonio,says "I"

Tiggy


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Message Posted:
07/09/2009 23:46

Alas Salahi, this will be the case I'm afraid.

girne 29


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Message Posted:
08/09/2009 00:02

"The north still under the political wing of Turkey"



Good!

Tenakoutou



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Message Posted:
08/09/2009 09:30

Andre: TC's generally don't like Turks - probably vice versa, too!



What makes you think Turkey won't 'sacrifice' TRNC to RoC if it is politically expedient for them to do so?



Perhaps, if Turkish workers had been treated a 'little bit' better here, that might be some incentive - but what sort of stories do these poor people take back to Turkey with them.



Could it be that they feel 'slightly used and abused'?

andre 514


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Message Posted:
08/09/2009 09:50

john message 33:



that's just it:



turkey has 70,000 of its own folks settled in north cyprus, just ask moanio or saint mark



and turkey is ermmm... a rather proud country and quite unwilling to be pushed around



to give in for the hopeless dream of nicolas sarkosy changing his attitude one fine day?



politially expedient? you got it in one!

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
08/09/2009 10:46

Dear Andre_514



>>turkey has 70,000 of its own folks settled in north cyprus,<<



Normally you exaggerate.. ;)



>>turkey is ermmm... a rather proud country and quite unwilling to be pushed around <<



"Pride comes before a fall".. Are you ACTUALLY saying "TR is a bigger player in the world.. REALPOLITIK will win through"?



Political expediency is WHY M.SarkoZy is "anti" TR EU membership... btw.. ;)

Tenakoutou



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Message Posted:
08/09/2009 18:42

We're all 'shovelling peas with a pitchfork'!!!