What is the meaning of God?

yrys88


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Message Posted:
03/09/2009 23:53

The word ''God'' has many different meanings to many different people.. Whats the word ''God'' mean to you??

Lilli



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Message Posted:
04/09/2009 00:23

hiya to me my belief if there is a GOD who created all of life and the objects in this universe then its Universal. It existed from pre historic times and will last until the end of time. Only one way to answer What has been made needs a maker. The more intricate and complicated the object which has been made the more capabable and sophicated the maker must be. Your faith will dictate to you to beleive or not but remember from nothing came nothing. Keep your faith I could go deeper but not here. I trurly beleive in my God and as an Irish catolic then to beleive in it is so important > God gets it wrong and many times for me but we look upon it as our fate

Brinsley


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Message Posted:
04/09/2009 00:28

Ask mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm he believes that he is the reincarnated!



Richard

Hector


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Message Posted:
04/09/2009 00:28

Oh gawd......

Maz


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04/09/2009 00:30

I like your statements, Lilli, which in theological terms you are talking of the 'ontological' and 'teleological' arguments, and of course there are many morfe, but what I want to know, is why the question? Are you looking for answers, young man? Curious as to what others think? Writing a thesis? Going tro give answers to those who need it, or do you just like collecting aquestions???



Without being fascetious, I always remember some little lad arguing that 'god' is '#dog' backwards, and if you had the love of a dog in your life, then you had found 'god'. Nice one!

yrys88


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Message Posted:
04/09/2009 00:30

Hi Lilli.. Does god exsist in time, or is he beyond time? İs he time??



Hi Brinsley



Who is mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm??? Is he Jesus??

yrys88


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Message Posted:
04/09/2009 00:34

Hi MarieB, the answer to all your questions is Yes and No..

flightholiday


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Message Posted:
04/09/2009 00:39

You are part of god. From the Quaker's Advices and Queries:

1. Take heed, dear Friends, to the promptings of love and truth in your hearts. Trust them as the leadings of God whose Light shows us our darkness and brings us to new life.

7. Be aware of the spirit of God at work in the ordinary activities and experience of your daily life. Spiritual learning continues throughout life, and often in unexpected ways. There is inspiration to be found all around us, in the natural world, in the sciences and arts, in our work and friendships, in our sorrows as well as in our joys. Are you open to new light, from whatever source it may come? Do you approach new ideas with discernment?

22. Respect the wide diversity among us in our lives and relationships. Refrain from making prejudiced judgments about the life journeys of others. Do you foster the spirit of mutual understanding and forgiveness which our discipleship asks of us? Remember that each one of us is unique, precious, a child of God.

Lemtich



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Message Posted:
04/09/2009 00:39

I was an atheist until I discovered I was God!



Message for Lilli



She went for separation when I got back. So I'm now single. Are there any lovely ladies out there in the TRNC or do I have to import one from the UK?



Check out my profile on plentyoffish



http://www.plentyoffish.com/member14940181.htm



Lem

Maz


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Message Posted:
04/09/2009 00:39

Yes to what and no to what? I tghink I will take my overstrained brain to bed and ponder onthose deep things of life , which I have been doing all my life. Through years of study, I find I now know far more questions and far less answers - and maybe that is the answer ! Any belief in a god is to dowith faith, and faith does not answer questions! Or as the bible say s'Faith is the evidence of things not seen, and the substance of things hoped for.' and many other philosophies echo the same thought. So, who or what is 'god' doesn't really matter, what does matter is 'who am I, ' why am I here and where am I going, and how should I live.



Me, as I said, am putting my overtaxed brain to bed. Goodnight all.

Jeannie


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Message Posted:
04/09/2009 00:40

Sorry all - for me it's all down to Darwin - theory of evolution - and all that.



J

Brinsley


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Message Posted:
04/09/2009 00:42

And the answer is...........................42



Richard

Maz


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Message Posted:
04/09/2009 00:43

Careful Jeannie - Dawin recanted on his death bed, and to Lemtich, I say 'Beware' Claiming you are god means a heck of a lot of responsibility - are you readyh for it?



But it is probably easier to be a panentheist. (Don't know what that means? Easy, it means that god is in everything but not exhaustede by it. In other words, you are not actually 'god' but god is in you as well as being separate. And if you can't understand that, - just think of how parents pass on their genes, but are still people in their own right.



Next????

yrys88


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Message Posted:
04/09/2009 00:49

Lem - You are god??

yrys88


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Message Posted:
04/09/2009 00:52

Hmmm, pantheism!!!



God playing hide n seek with himself...

yrys88


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Message Posted:
04/09/2009 00:54

Hindu's believe that they are god.. Actually, it is quite normal and accepted belief that they are god.

yrys88


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Message Posted:
04/09/2009 00:55

MarieB - We should have a chat someday??

newlad



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Message Posted:
04/09/2009 01:13

"may your god go with you" Dave Allen god rest his soul,

Paul.

Jeannie


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Message Posted:
04/09/2009 01:32

newlad - great - particularly as the late, great, Dave Allen, was an atheist. I think he hit the nail right on the head, personally



J

Jeannie


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Message Posted:
04/09/2009 01:42

And to all:-



NEVER argue about politics or religion.



As has, I think, been proven on here time and time again



J

eager


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Message Posted:
04/09/2009 01:52

Jeannie, Agree with you, Darwins theory is the most likely regarding the creation of the Universe. To believe in someone called God takes a lot of imagination and really does not stand up to any kind of scrutiny, mainly for people who were brainwashed as children or who are looking for something to help them in times of trouble, Heaven...Hell is this really meant to be believable ? made the world in 7 day's ? What a load of money making Tosh.

yrys88


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Message Posted:
04/09/2009 02:03

Eager - Is heaven and hell after or before death??

eager


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Message Posted:
04/09/2009 02:17

yrys88.............It's neither before nor after as it does not exist except in peoples imagination.

Jeannie


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04/09/2009 02:25

eager - thanks for that - I was beginning to think I was alone! I appreciate the fact you make about 'brainwashing' as children, particularly RC's. My great-grandmother was from rural Ireland and came to the UK in about 1915 - she was married to an Engishman. My grandfather, her son-in-law. died at age 38, leaving a wife and 3 very young children. I know for a fact that my great-grandmother lived in total fear of the priest - apparently, she'd give him half his p





















eager- thank you for your respnse.



I think you are absolutely right. You only have to watch one of the excellent David Attenborough programmes about evolution (no need to worry yourself through Darwin) to see how animals/humans evolved.

I am sure we sound a complete pair of cynics with our obvious atheist points of view.

However, I do feel (though I must stress here, not for myself) that a belief in some sort of religion, gives people strength. Sorry - message jumped down and could not retrieve.

Jeannie


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Message Posted:
04/09/2009 02:40

eager - good grief -so sorry about all that. I thought I had deleted the first part of my message - waffling on about my family's Irish Catholic history.



PLEASE FORGET THAT



Anyway, back to try to complete my message! Yes, I suppose I do, in a strange way, admire those who gain strength through religion. I think it must be a great thing. Neither Paul nor myself are in any way, shape or form, religious, yet he is the nicest "Non Christian" anyone could meet - he would do anything for anyone and yet he is a total atheist.



Yes, the world in 7 days, etc. etc. wants some swallowing.



I am so sorry that I have waffled on about things; I sincerely hope you can make at least some sense of what I have been trying to say. (My nails are, apparently, too long to operate a stupid Laptop keyboard successfully).



Do keep in touch.



With warmest regards.



Jean

x

thetruth


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Message Posted:
04/09/2009 08:29

in the begenning

god created the heavens

and the earth.

that people may know

that you god,you alone

are the most higher over all the earth..

genesis 1;1

pssalm 83;18

yrys88


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Message Posted:
04/09/2009 08:32

Eager - So if there is imagination, what is real?

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
04/09/2009 08:53

RE msg 20, Jeannie: (...) NEVER argue about politics or religion. (...)



=> The statement is not complete. (...) It's NEVER argue about politics, religion or football."



=> There is no God or god or whatever 'higher being or power'. It's a human invention - out of fear of death - as old as mankind.



And religion is the despicable result of the work of fanatics, who always try to manage the fear of people - for their own benefits. Always and everywhere in the world.



Yes, it's Darwin, only Darwin - and nothing else.

yrys88


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Message Posted:
04/09/2009 09:00

So the word "God" means Darwin to you??

Geoff1131MK11


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Message Posted:
04/09/2009 09:10

I lost religion when i was 8 years old and watched as my next door neighbours 3 year old daughter was killed on the road in front of my house. That weekend at sunday school, i asked the vicar, why god let this happen and he said i had to believe it was gods will. Well that was the end for me. I cant accept that any god would be happy seeing the perverts interfering with children, standing by while drug dealers ruin lives, and not interfering when terrorists kill inocent civillians. I would see all these perpetrators rot in hell ( assuming of course that there is a hell!!!!!)

yrys88


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Message Posted:
04/09/2009 09:18

Geoff - Dont you think that all those perpetrators are already in hell for doing what they do? Can you really kill a man or hurt someone and not die inside or get hurt yourself? Can you really live a happy fullfiling life as such if you have commited crimes against humanity itself??



Charles William Stubbs once said:



"To sit alone with my conscience will be judgment enough for me."

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
04/09/2009 09:21

As we all know there are over six billion people in this world and every one of us has his or her own thoughts about God. How can we know for sure what He or She is really like?

At some point in your life, you may have some of the following questions:

Does God exist?

Is there a heaven and hell?

If so, how does one go to heaven?

Why are there so many religions and which one is right?

Is the Bible really true?

Geoff1131MK11


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Message Posted:
04/09/2009 09:23

Oh well thats ok then. As long as they are repenting in their own minds.

If they brought back hanging there would be a queue for the job.

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
04/09/2009 09:25

RE msg 29, yrys88: (...) So the word "God" means Darwin to you?? (...)



=> No. There's no association. Darwin is science, not fiction. And btw I've never understood how people can take the "bible" (historically an interesting though very unreliable book) literally or even slightly serious. Written by a deceiver (Paul) and others, some of whom who where not even there when the socalled Jesus did his allegedly "remarkable tricks". But that's another story (thread)...

yrys88


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Message Posted:
04/09/2009 09:35

RE Msg 34, DutchCrusader



Even "Science" as you so call, can only be proven to a certain extent.. The rest requires unconditional faith, just like religion!



So, is seeing believing or believing seeing?? ;)

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
04/09/2009 09:40

RE msg 35, yrys88: Seeing, proving, understanding and (never ending) researching = believing = Darwin.



Hey yrys88, it's very early morning, so take it easy on a Dutchman who is having hist first coffee, trying to remember some difficult words in the English language...

yrys88


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Message Posted:
04/09/2009 09:42

RE msg 36 DutchCrusader

yrys88


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Message Posted:
04/09/2009 09:45

And Good Morning all..

eager


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Message Posted:
04/09/2009 10:24

DutchCrusader, msg 28 and 34...............My sentiments entirely !!



Jeannie, Curious as to what your great-grandmother gave the priest half of [ p ]. hope you are well.

PaulW



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Message Posted:
04/09/2009 10:57

eager, Hi Charles, Jean was going to put "pay".

You & I know who god is, he used to stand on the roof of EGS looking down on his subjects. We are both well & will be in TRNC in a couple of weeks.



Regards



Paul

Quarmby


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Message Posted:
04/09/2009 14:53

god,religion, the biggest commercial con trick of all times.

Jetski


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Message Posted:
04/09/2009 18:38

Medieval mind control - nothing else. This is my life - not anybody else's. I am VERY happy to enter into discussion with any non-atheists over the whole god/evolution topic. Bring it on.........

Lemtich



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Message Posted:
04/09/2009 19:38

Message 13



If by pantheist you beieve God exists in everything, I'm confused. I'm cooking eggs and bacon at the moment, does God exist in them? Or the pan?



Does that make my a frying pantheist?



Lem

yrys88


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Message Posted:
04/09/2009 22:25

Re MSG 43 Lemtich,



Pantheism basically means God is everything and everything is God. You have to think of everything as a whole.

The frying pan and bacon are not really seperate from you they are one with you.

Only the realm you are in makes you precieve the whole in parts. For example if you lived in a 2d world you wouldnt understand what up or down was. So the world you live in right now limits you to see things in parts instead of seeing God.



There have been some discoveries especially in quantum physics that "prove" that objects are not really apart as we may believe them to be. For example they found when they moved a certain atom clockwise another certain atom on the other side of the universe moved in the same way to. Exactly copying the others movements.

yrys88


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Message Posted:
04/09/2009 22:26

Re MSG 43 Lemtich,



Pantheism basically means God is everything and everything is God. You have to think of everything as a whole.

The frying pan and bacon are not really seperate from you they are one with you.

Only the realm you are in makes you precieve the whole in parts. For example if you lived in a 2d world you wouldnt understand what up or down was. So the world you live in right now limits you to see things in parts instead of seeing God.



There have been some discoveries especially in quantum physics that "prove" that objects are not really apart as we may believe them to be. For example they found when they moved a certain atom clockwise another certain atom on the other side of the universe moved in the same way to. Exactly copying the others movements.

Lilli



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Message Posted:
04/09/2009 22:39

Gosh now you are getting deep

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
04/09/2009 22:43

"Gawd 'elp us"

Jeannie


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Message Posted:
04/09/2009 22:45

Bill - and, as my old Mum used to say:



"and keep us"



J

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
04/09/2009 22:53

Jean. God bless your Mum.

phylray



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Message Posted:
04/09/2009 22:57

yrys88 I think you are confused about Hindus believing themselves to be God.

That is not what I understood by the religion (having been married for 18 years

to a Hindu) They do believe that all creation living is made of God, and he has

many manifestations. So that everyone has a bit of the creator in him/her.

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
04/09/2009 22:59

Which religion is right?

Lilli



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Message Posted:
04/09/2009 23:13

Hiya Bill religion is defined as befief concerning the supernatural divine or scared being and the moral codes,practices,values and rituals associated with such belief. common to all religions is the notion that superhuman forces represents a supreme GOD who created the world he rules over it and some religions thier god rules over lesser gods There are very many religions and very many beleivers espically in the western world xxxx

Maz


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Message Posted:
04/09/2009 23:17

Just a couple of points:



1. Remember there is a big difference between honest debate and argument. Honest debate can help people find answers - argument normally leads to further ignorance.



2. Some of you guys are c\onfusing 'pantheism' and 'panentheism' - that is why I spelt it out! The extra 'en' in the middle makes a huge difference of understanding.



3. What does it matter is evolution is correct over creationism, we still come back to the teleological and ontological arguments. If you pick up a watch in the course of your travels, you know someone made it and it didn'#t just suddenly appear! If something has an ending, chances are it has a beginning!



4. You need to study a bit of philosophy alongside religion to find 'truth' - otherwise you are stabbing in the dark and taking onboard someone else's ignorance and/or brainwashing.



And a lot more stuff. There is no such thing as a 'right religion' but keep thinking to find truth tolive by.



Now you have made m

Maz


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Message Posted:
04/09/2009 23:22

oops, ...... run out of space.



And why do I get the feeling that some of youout there are being somewhat flippant. Come on guys, you know that deep down you get to thinking sometimes 'what's it all about'. All religions and philosophies are people through the ages who have tried to find answers before 'shaking off the mortal coil'. As one gets older sometimes fear takes over of the great unknown and then people do strive to find answers. Don't let anyone tell you what the total answer is. Absolute truth is probably outside of this world - but that doesn't mean you stop looking.



Good luc\k and 'heaven's blessing on your search. The Truth IS out there - find it !

Lilli



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Message Posted:
04/09/2009 23:22

Hiya Marie as I said evert thing made has a maker. Hopefully we all find our way. You are so right re point 4. I think Dan Brown has a lot to answer too xx. I really think as we get older our own faith means more to us xxxx

Turtle


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Message Posted:
04/09/2009 23:26

What actually is "God"



If its a belief then is dosen't really exist



If its a truth then there should be some proof of existence



If its not true then it will be debated forever ?

phylray



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Message Posted:
05/09/2009 00:08

People believe what they want to believe, but that doesn't mean it is true.

If (as you claim) Darwin changed his mind on his death bed (new one on me!) doesn't

rubbish his theories, just that he is human and weak, aren't we all?

You can follow a religion for its moral teaching and do good but expect nothing in return

like some airy fairy afterlife (what would it be like?) I have wished for this before but now

not so sure! If you only do good because you expect something, what kind of morality is that?

Religion does not have a monopoly on ethics, or morality. See the ancient Greek/Romans.

Hector


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Message Posted:
05/09/2009 00:19

There has and sadly continues to be, more people murdered in the name of religion than anything else. Unbelievable.

phylray



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Message Posted:
05/09/2009 01:32

Because they are brainless fanatics who can't dare to think freely. It always has been so, and they will

murder anyone who doesn't conform to their beliefs. Hardly what Jesus, Mohamet and others would have wanted.

Lemtich



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Message Posted:
05/09/2009 21:28

I bet nobody got murdered for being a frying pantheist!



Lem

malsancak


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Message Posted:
05/09/2009 21:39

Generator

Operator

Destroyer

Lilli



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Message Posted:
06/09/2009 01:21

ell did we beleive before google x

minertor



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Message Posted:
06/09/2009 03:54

eager; msg 21, don't think Darwin published his thoughts on the creation of the universe as such. His famous theory: "on evolution by means of natural selection" has more to do with all living things adapting to cope with their environment, or dying.

yrys88


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Message Posted:
06/09/2009 12:24

What if it all was a coincidence?

yrys88


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Message Posted:
06/09/2009 19:58

You mean close to zero right? Isnt there still a tiny little chance? We know that we can divide a number and the number will never be zero right? so even though 1 in a 100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 (and as many zeros as there are grains of sand in the sahara desert) there is still a small chance. And what is small to us may be huge to something else! Right?

yrys88


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Message Posted:
06/09/2009 21:04

There is still a possibilty right? Even though very small and very unlikely?? There is still a chance, right?

yrys88


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Message Posted:
06/09/2009 21:13

x/0=infinity

yrys88


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Message Posted:
06/09/2009 21:16

On September 21, 1997, a divide by zero error on board the USS Yorktown (CG-48) Remote Data Base Manager brought down all the machines on the network, causing the ship's propulsion system to fail.



Source:

http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/1998/07/13987

flightholiday


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Message Posted:
06/09/2009 22:37

Msg 72 Fascinating link - go onto the items about the Harwell WITCH & Colsus etc. - nothing to do with god.



Msg 1 God is as you perceive, want or feel god to be. Maybe there is a truth for all of us that we might individually describe as or name God or the spirit, a higher being or consciousness.



A thought:- Many people see religion to be of god or about god. In my view it is about way's to try to agree about praise of what the priest or the religious foundation sees as god.



Another thought:-



"Be still and cool in thy own mind and spirit from thy own thoughts, and then thou wilt feel the principle of God to turn thy mind to the Lord God, whereby thou wilt receive his strength and power from whence life comes, to allay all tempests, against blusterings and storms."

From George Fox in 1658 (Quaker)



A further thought:-

You might be the figment of my imagination or I might be the insight of your thoughts and imagination - if so neither are real.

Blackpoolfan


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Message Posted:
06/09/2009 23:23

read the bible it's rubbish he dies in the end. Each to their own but religion is why innocent people are being killed around the world it is the route of all evil not for me thanks ...............

Lilli



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Message Posted:
07/09/2009 00:02

tom is it correct that in 1643 he began a tour of the country and arrested yet again for blasphemy. A judge told him YOU QUAKE IN THE PRESENCE OF THE LORD and from then this became known as Quakers. Please correct me if Im wrong but it fasanaties me. I would love to know how many different religions there are. Yes I agree many wars are because of them but the question was What does God mean to You

yrys88


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Message Posted:
07/09/2009 00:03

This is the preface from a book called "Zen Theraphy"



Out of needs for beginnings,

We create gods.



With desires for immortality,

we enthrone them.

In avoidance of spontaneity,

we obey them.

In fear of risk,

we follow them.

From rejection of responsibility,

we worship them.



This pre-tension

protects us

from the tension and consequences

of our choices and actions.



We must learn

to enspirit our lives

and live out our inner deity.

dizzycows


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Message Posted:
07/09/2009 00:03

God is you, and nobody else......

It is the spirit in you, to live, to die, only you can interpret all the religions into just one goal, and that is survival, and how you live your life. .....

CyprusChill


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Message Posted:
07/09/2009 05:22

Message 77, that sums me up, just not sure of the final burried or burnt scenario.



Like the thought of GOD.



But i have lots of nicer thoughts.

CyprusChill


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Message Posted:
07/09/2009 06:30

The mystery that surrounds cats.



Did the fella mean dog when he wrote god ?

palacerclass


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Message Posted:
07/09/2009 10:45

surely god = dog

Jetski


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Message Posted:
07/09/2009 11:30

yrys88



Messages 65-67. I presume you're referring to the old god-proof that as the Earth is in just the right place for life to exist, there must be some deity 'in control'. Consider this.



If the planet had coalesced a few thousand miles farther away from the sun we are told that life would not be possible. How do we KNOW this. OUR life may not be possible but we have no way of knowing what WOULD have happened had it been the case.



It may be life, but 'not as we know it Jim'



The fact that we are here now, doing what we're doing now, wherever we're doing it is simply a matter of cause and effect. The existence of carbon based, water reliant life forms on the planet is simply because the conditions were right 4.6 billion years ago for it to happen. Conditions somehere else in the universe may be just right for something completely different to happen.



No God - no divine creator - just matter and energy doing what they do naturally.

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Message Posted:
07/09/2009 11:51

As a great sage once said, "I am God and no one else exists! Unfortunately no one believes me."

Mal

flightholiday


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Posts: 3217

Message Posted:
07/09/2009 12:11

Jetski Msg 77 I'm considering and maybe you can explain to me what matter and energy are and more important in a god debate where they have come from or how they were created



"just matter and energy doing what they do naturally"

trcyprus


Joined: 07/09/2009
Posts: 1

Message Posted:
07/09/2009 12:27

He is Allah

The One and Only.

"Allah, the Eternal, Absolute.

"He begets not, nor is He begotten.

And there is none like unto Him."

lovelife


Joined: 07/07/2007
Posts: 231

Message Posted:
07/09/2009 16:28

Found this today whilst wading through the sunday paper and went on line to provide the link (hopefully)



http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article6823229.ece

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
07/09/2009 17:11

very interesting reading thank you x

eager


Joined: 23/02/2007
Posts: 1272

Message Posted:
07/09/2009 18:22

There is no God, Only moderators who think they are !!

yrys88


Joined: 08/08/2009
Posts: 1140

Message Posted:
07/09/2009 20:34

MSG 77 Jetski Re,



In msg 65 I am merely saying that there is a mathematical possibility that the existence of the universe is a coincidence



(coincidence=An event that might have been arranged although it was really accidental)

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
07/09/2009 20:43

Whats the word "God" mean to me?



















ME















I see him every time I look in mirror,and that gives me all the strenght I need.

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
07/09/2009 20:50

Isn't God the bloke who pampers the rich and the cunning crims, but sends hardship, starvation, disease, pestilence, floods, tsunamis - you name it - to the poorest and undeserving of his 'little lambs'?

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
07/09/2009 21:05

Perhaps my post didnt make sense to some of you, but I do think it is in all of us, we are who we are, dont think there is a 'god' but this spirit is in us all, not as a 'god' to worship, but just that it is who we are.

Evolution is where we are, nothing less nothing more, Darwins theory thats what is a question for us all to contemplate if we/you are bored with religion. .....

Jetski


Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 584

Message Posted:
07/09/2009 23:01

Dizzy - Darwins theory has nothing to do with religion - only evolution. (Unless you happen to be a Darwinist/Creationist)

Jetski


Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 584

Message Posted:
07/09/2009 23:12

Re Msg 84



Impossible to say whether the existence of the universe is a 'coincidence' - a coincidence of what factors? I'm sure greater minds than ours will be debating this ad inf. However if what you meant is the existence of LIFE, I'm sure you're right..... the coincident existence of suitable amino acids within a climatic spectrum that included high levels of static electricity. (see Miller etc)

Jetski


Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 584

Message Posted:
07/09/2009 23:21

Msg 79



This is a God debate - not a physics debate. From the tone of your question I'm sure you're well aware of the nature of matter and energy. Let's not get diverted eh?

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
07/09/2009 23:55

Jetski missed my point, I was saying that 'god' is how we live/do, recreate, God is in us all, its how we all behave ect. Who thought up this word God,? Who said he is who he is,? Nobody knows, old books written by whom, and how do these old scholars know? Some of those that say they have had a near death experience, astronauts think they know, or rather they think they have seen things that have made them become believers in God. Dont think any one is getting diverted, we all have our own ideas to the meaning.

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
08/09/2009 00:50

Is God love?

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
08/09/2009 01:03

Hiy Bill only if you love and beleive there is a GOD. I couldt worship botox Gucci Prada etc I follow my faith and date my god has let me down. I accept this as my fate.

johnerebus



Joined: 15/05/2009
Posts: 72

Message Posted:
08/09/2009 09:09

I was an athiest until I realised I was God

Steve1953



Joined: 04/12/2008
Posts: 298

Message Posted:
08/09/2009 13:11

Hi everyone,not been on here for some time;so nice to see nothing changes in topics posted.



Anybody who saw Apollo 10 go round the Moon in 1968 and point the camera back at the Earth must wonder about God ... especially as Frank Borman started reading Genesis .. in the beginning God created the heaven and the Earth ... makes you think .. like the seed of a sunflower that becomes 6 feet high in a few weeks?

Spark of life in everything around. Wars and terrorism is blamed on God;but is manmade. Cancers,car crashes and child deaths are tragic but in the grand scheme of things". Much in the same way if you're name was on the bullet in WW1.

Just my opinion,but this is the hell referred to in the bible - some people call it school of hard knocks;and we are all hear to learn from it,good or bad. Religions were created by man to try and fill the void they didn't understand,and it has been manipulated to suit indiv needs.

Maybe philosophical working in social care for years ,regards,

yrys88


Joined: 08/08/2009
Posts: 1140

Message Posted:
08/09/2009 20:35

John 1:1

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

CyprusChill


Joined: 08/05/2009
Posts: 666

Message Posted:
09/09/2009 02:21

and there was a strange smell in the room and he called it a fart.



Having worked in Egypt many years ago, a real eye opener at the time for many reasons.

Pipeline from suez through dashour to alexandria.



The museam in Cairo full of stuff, stuffed, shaped and crafted.



The Giza pyramids. Beneath the huge sectional pieces of stone that created one of the pyramids, adjacent to the sphynx, a wooden boat had just been uncovered.



A ship even because of its pure length and size. All this stone and then to see beneath, a wooden boat, with all the craftsman ship you would expect to see in modern time. Awesome.



Perhaps if the carpenters were more recognised than the masons, in recent times ; the world would be a changed place.

CyprusChill


Joined: 08/05/2009
Posts: 666

Message Posted:
09/09/2009 02:24

Egypt BC, all dads work one would assume.

MsGarnet


Joined: 04/01/2009
Posts: 989

Message Posted:
09/09/2009 04:46

To me, God is where a person goes when they are angry and don't have anyone on planet earth to take their anger out on. It is the 'person' you go to for answers when there are none to be found elsewhere, you actually are talking to yourself, and hear your own thoughts, it's a place to go in grief and misery, that can't answer back, it is a place to be what you want it to be, to me, it is smoke and mirrors; never ceases to amaze me that if I was caught talking to myself, I would be considered to be unhinged, yet, if I said I was talking to God, oh well - that's OK then.........how machievellian we are.........



People blame a God for tsunami's or earthquake's, blame the God for killing three out of their four children, yet in the same breath, thank that same God, for saving the life of the one child that survived!!!!!!!!!!! I will never understand anyone who believes in a God......but God is a place to go, when no answer can be found anywhere else........

johnerebus



Joined: 15/05/2009
Posts: 72

Message Posted:
09/09/2009 20:10

What is the meaning and purpose of pigeons? I mean...

yrys88


Joined: 08/08/2009
Posts: 1140

Message Posted:
09/09/2009 22:27

Pigeons and doves constitute the family Columbidae within the order Columbiformes, which include some 300 species of near passerine birds. In general parlance the terms "dove" and "pigeon" are used somewhat interchangeably. In ornithological practice, there is a tendency for "dove" to be used for smaller species and "pigeon" for larger ones, but this is in no way consistently applied, and historically the common names for these birds involve a great deal of variation between the terms "dove" and "pigeon." This family occurs worldwide, but the greatest variety is in the Indomalaya and Australasia ecozones. Young doves and pigeons are called "squabs."





Thursday, February 02, 2006

Pigeons Find a Purpose in Life



Finally, pigeons are going to be good for something other getting in the way and crapping all over anything that doesn't move.





A flock of pigeons fitted with mobile phone backpacks is to be used to monitor air pollution, New Scientist magazine reported on Wednesday.

yrys88


Joined: 08/08/2009
Posts: 1140

Message Posted:
09/09/2009 22:28

The 20 pigeons will be released into the skies over San Jose, California, in August.

Each bird will carry a GPS satellite tracking receiver, air pollution sensors and a basic mobile phone.

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
09/09/2009 23:52

What????? doves and pidgeons are the meaning of 'God'???? We got loads of them critters and they just poo on us from above!! lol

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
10/09/2009 01:50

what the hell do they have to do with god. He may have made hem but come on you guys can do better tgan this. Get back on track xxxxxx

CyprusChill


Joined: 08/05/2009
Posts: 666

Message Posted:
10/09/2009 03:19

First thing in the morning, that huge lavatorial excuse.



Thank the lord your alive.

CyprusChill


Joined: 08/05/2009
Posts: 666

Message Posted:
10/09/2009 03:37

Clasp both hands together, very tight but a big dual fist.

With a bucket of water in front of you.

Place your hands in the water and with immediate response, remove.

Note the change in characteristic to the bucket of water.



Perhaps, on this occasion not a god thing.

Keep trying.

yrys88


Joined: 08/08/2009
Posts: 1140

Message Posted:
10/09/2009 12:08

God is the unexplainable? Maybe you cant use words to describe what god is?

yrys88


Joined: 08/08/2009
Posts: 1140

Message Posted:
10/09/2009 12:10

Alan Watts Worldview



In several of his later publications, especially Beyond Theology and The Book on the Taboo Against Knowing Who You Are, Watts put forward a worldview, drawing on Hinduism, Chinese philosophy, pantheism, and modern science; in which he maintains that the whole universe consists of God playing hide-and-seek, hiding from himself by becoming all the living and non-living things in the universe, forgetting who he really is; the upshot being that we are all God in disguise. In this worldview, Watts asserts that our conception of ourself an ego in a bag of skin is a myth; the entities we call the separate "things" are merely processes of the whole.

Cyprusquest


Joined: 09/12/2008
Posts: 428

Message Posted:
11/09/2009 12:02

If god is what you want him/her/it to be then you will have a good god.



If god is not then it may come packed in a religion or you are looking to the wrong god.