No settlement: Is there really a 'Plan B'

Reg55



Joined: 07/07/2008
Posts: 110

Message Posted:
06/09/2009 16:03

Been picking up the odd snippet that hints at a Plan B if the current talks fail. Most here would prefer a Plan B, especially if, as hinted in a speculative article I read, it comes with some international backing and included recognition of sorts (Taiwan model). Certainly the Turkish Foriegn minister talked of the need to examine possible alternatives on his recent one day visit here.



The question is: is this just politics to put pressre on the Greek side to compromise, or IS THERE REALLY A PLAN B being worked on/discussed by those who count.



Does anyone have any real information on this (we all have opinions) or seen any reported specific comments from those who are in a position to know, that might be educational on this question. Our future happiness may in part depend on it !

newlad



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Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
06/09/2009 16:05

Reg,

I hope so matey,in fact i hope that it is a plan so cunning that you could brush your teeth with it and call it a weasel,

Paul.

newlad



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Message Posted:
06/09/2009 16:08

http://www.cunningplan.com/links.html

minertor



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Message Posted:
06/09/2009 16:11

REG, There's ALWAYS a plan B, even it's modus vivendi

Reg55



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Posts: 110

Message Posted:
06/09/2009 17:15

There wasn't last time......

yorgozlu



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Message Posted:
06/09/2009 17:16

There is even plan "C"

Tenakoutou



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Message Posted:
06/09/2009 17:31

Will 'Never Never Land' remain in limbo?



Only the 'Powers That Be' can decide - sometime in the future, whenever that may be...

Geejay


Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 475

Message Posted:
06/09/2009 19:31

The "Plan B" referred to was from an article in Cyprus Star who were following on from reports in the GC press.

Apparently this is a UN move to allow direct trade and travel links with the TRNC should the current unity talks look to not reach agreement by November 2009. The UN would then attempt to facilitate further progress in the talks.

This was described as a "Taiwanisation of Northern Cyprus". The UN will develop the "intervening role" as from October while encouraging the two sides to make progress in the talks.



Direct trade would come about with the help of Islamic Arab countries who would immediately recognise the TRNC. This would provide a leveller playing ground for further unity talks.

Lilli



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Message Posted:
06/09/2009 19:33

not long to go then xx

newlad



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Message Posted:
06/09/2009 21:12

Geejay,

Good post,seems a feasible option as well,

paul.

Turtle


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Message Posted:
06/09/2009 21:27

Pikey, you must be by now getting a little fed up of peddling the same old !

newlad



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Message Posted:
06/09/2009 21:34

Pikey,

Enjoy your bonio matey good for your clenched teeth,

Paul.

girne 29


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Message Posted:
06/09/2009 21:43

newlad,turtle

It cant be Pikey cos I know for a fact Pikey didnt just buy his hoose, and come and live in Kyrenia on Friday. 04/09. The real Pikey has been in Kyrenia for years.

Turtle


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Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
06/09/2009 21:48

Yeah but he bought his hoose in the "TRNC" and that gets right up his hooter

newlad



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Message Posted:
06/09/2009 22:30

Theres a moose and its loose in Pikeys "hoose"lol

clarets



Joined: 08/01/2009
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Message Posted:
06/09/2009 22:59

Msg 11,that would be Azerbajhan and at least one Africa country currently recognises the TRNC. It is obvious to anyone with an IQ above that of a cheeseplant, that if the current talks breakdown, the situation would be a "watershed". New world recognition from whatever quarters would soon happen and the GC's would just have to settle with their emnity and living in the past!

andy-f


Joined: 03/05/2009
Posts: 1256

Message Posted:
06/09/2009 23:12

the only reason these sham of talks have lasted over a year is they have been discussing the easy chapters that they both can find some centre ground on.

whats next then ? oh yes its property and land !

outcome ? never be deal as long as ive got a hole im me jacksy



end of story .



result . . seperate state with slow recognition

Stubs


Joined: 01/07/2008
Posts: 641

Message Posted:
07/09/2009 00:02

Very good Iain



3 countries in 25 years, thats progress.

Lilli



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Message Posted:
07/09/2009 00:07

It will be like Ireland. I think they ae now agreeing that the talks are going nowhere. Twian maybe its beerumoured for some time as I said before We wait xx

ilovecyprus


Joined: 08/05/2007
Posts: 2880

Message Posted:
07/09/2009 11:21

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/news/main.php?id=47668&cat_id=1



Interesting opinion.

MarkVPiazza


Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 530

Message Posted:
07/09/2009 12:35

Msg 21 - a very good article



We all know the talks are going nowhere (well everyone except Talat and Christofias it seems), and the present meetings are just part of the never ending delay tactics of the RoC



Roll-on



Mark

TRNCVaughan


Joined: 27/04/2008
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Message Posted:
07/09/2009 12:42

These talks are only going on to show good will to the International community. Whoever blinks first and walks away loses. The GC's are already 2-0 down (own goals) with 2004 and the latest Limnitis fiasco and the smart money is on the TC's keeping their cool and letting either the talks wither of their own accord, or wait to see the GC referendum rejection.

Tenakoutou



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Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
07/09/2009 18:49

Sound reasoning, Vaughan.



But how long before the talks fizzle out?



The 'land dispute', as soon as it is on the agenda, will put the kybosh on the talks - that's for sure!



It's ridiculous that the 'land dispute' wasn't scheduled first - then this charade would be over and done with.

ilovecyprus


Joined: 08/05/2007
Posts: 2880

Message Posted:
07/09/2009 19:28

msge 24



"It's ridiculous that the 'land dispute' wasn't scheduled first - then this charade would be over and done with"



Very true.

I guess they anticipated that they would develop trust as they tackled less demanding issues, thus, when they got to talking about territory, guarantees and property each side would be more willing to compromise.



Seems like sufficient trust has not been developed, the necessary will has not been cultivated and neither party is willing to take the risk of making the large concession necessary to move the talks forward.

Geejay


Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 475

Message Posted:
07/09/2009 19:39

Bonjo.... message 11...... Why not read and understand the article. All I posted was a precis. There's much more to this than you think.

Just maybe the UN and EC are tired of the obstacles being put in the way of the talk's progress and wish to even the balance.