Funding for the Kyrenia Animal Centre

LondonCypriot


Joined: 15/12/2008
Posts: 426

Message Posted:
08/09/2009 00:17

We do clearly know there is an funding issue here, so would it not make sense if we set up a charity

where everyone donates 1 pound a month. If everyone donated one pound a month both from the UK and in Cyprus I think it would help so much. Thats just twleve pounds a year.



If there are 2000 people donating £1.00 , thats 2000 pounds a month for the Kyrenia Anmal centre.

AlexF065


Joined: 07/09/2009
Posts: 271

Message Posted:
08/09/2009 00:37

I think if the KAR did go for charity status it would give folk more confidence that the majority of the funds were going to the animals

look at what the blue cross do in the UK and also the Birmingham Dogs home do

they appeal for Blankets at xmas and toys also in some shops all year you can if you wish buy an extra can of food for either a dog or cat or like 1 do just donate a bag of dry food once a month

it is not so hard even in hard times here lots of folk think of Animals but they both have registered Animal charity status there are so many ripoff so called charity things that folk feel safer giving to a properly registered charity

I feel ashamed that it has been written on another thread that many people are abandoning pets that is so wicked !!!

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
08/09/2009 00:41

sorry to tell you they are a charity. Its hard here to be one but they are. You are so right people hab=ve to go for thier reasons and many people help as KAR is so over stretched. They dont rely on help

Lapta2


Joined: 04/09/2009
Posts: 47

Message Posted:
08/09/2009 00:52

Alex, I think you have hit the nail on the head with," I think if the KAR did go for charity status it would give folk more confidence that the majority of the funds were going to the animals "



Do we know how much money KAR have??? At the moment all sorts of storys go around about what money they have, where it goes etc..



I think the idea of helping these animals is great, but I just want to know its just the animals lives im improving...

LondonCypriot


Joined: 15/12/2008
Posts: 426

Message Posted:
08/09/2009 01:19

My idea is that everyone should donate on a monthly basis, so if everyone donated at least a pound a month taken from direct debit this would help a lot.

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
08/09/2009 01:30

Thay are a charity and will given you details of thier acuuuts. They have no money at present

itfc1978


Joined: 31/03/2009
Posts: 187

Message Posted:
08/09/2009 08:40

They are a charity have been for some time, are afiliated to the RSPCA and subject to inspection.

There are plenty of ways of making a contribution ad-hoc or monthly.



Try looking at their website

http://www.kyreniaanimalrescue.org/index.html



accounts are available and they are desperate for funds.

Jayne


Joined: 01/12/2008
Posts: 499

Message Posted:
08/09/2009 08:46

I would be more than happy to donate £1 per month. I do regulary buy extra dog and cat food for the centre and put them in the big bins outside Erdener supermarket ready for them to collect. I think a lot of people do this too as the bins were well stocked yesterday when I went.

itfc1978


Joined: 31/03/2009
Posts: 187

Message Posted:
08/09/2009 08:52

There are money collection boxes at many of the shops and resturants in the area.



But I am told that people are also being kind enough to put money into the food collection boxes, which are proving to be very successful, as well.

Quarmby


Joined: 15/09/2008
Posts: 975

Message Posted:
08/09/2009 09:39

If the KAR are a charity and therefore open to scrutiny, why are they refusing to give the voting figures to the Charity Shop staff who voted for a new 5 person shop committee recently. They are saying the voting is confidential and do not give out the votes cast for the new committee. Therefore how does anyone know the legitimacy of the new committee? What are they trying to hide? Many of the shop staff are sceptical of the result.

Deecyprus4, your comments?

Whistler


Joined: 28/07/2008
Posts: 1332

Message Posted:
08/09/2009 10:12

Sorted. Give a pound a month to Liz because from what I can see of it they(and many others) are doing KAR`s work for them.

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
08/09/2009 10:38

Quarmby I have said enough on this subject, you know how I feel, it is run like a private members club, as a charity you should not have to attend their meetings..everything should be put on their website for all to see, why can they not do this, it tells me they have something to hide..why cant everyone see their yearly accounts.



I have to say I am a little surprised that you have made a negatitive comment regarding KAR, maybe you are seeing a thin veil of hypocrisy coming through

Quarmby


Joined: 15/09/2008
Posts: 975

Message Posted:
08/09/2009 11:00

Dee

I will always give praise when it's due, but I am not afraid to expose when I think there are gross irregularities in the set up and I think there is one here. Personally I think what is going on, stinks!

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
08/09/2009 11:23

Well hopefully we will not be at each others throats from now on, and well done for highlighting this.

Serkan


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 75

Message Posted:
08/09/2009 12:06

I've recommended to have charity racing event at the greyhound racing track, not necessarily greyhounds but any dog can race.I think it would be a great event and good opportuity to raise money for good cause.

Whistler


Joined: 28/07/2008
Posts: 1332

Message Posted:
08/09/2009 12:12

Serkan. Please can you enlighten me as to what the good cause is?

minertor



Joined: 14/02/2009
Posts: 1238

Message Posted:
08/09/2009 14:10

msg 15, are you serious Serkan? "not necesarily greyhounds but any dog can race" How do you think you are going to make them do this. Take them to one side and have a word in their floppy/not so floppy ears. Put 6 assorted dogs together, release the lure, they don't chase, they fight.

Errrm, you could be onto a winner there Serkan. Put me down for 6 seats, front row.

AlexF065


Joined: 07/09/2009
Posts: 271

Message Posted:
08/09/2009 14:40

Everything needs to be open and above board

we donate regularly to the blue cross hospital

we lost our baby Cagney when she was 4 yrs old it broke our hearts and we decided that we would rescue an other Rottweiler when the time was right

We now have Alice and we got her from the Blue cross they looked after her and her litter mates all abandoned with PARVO (I hate humans at times) because we donate we get a mag ever 1/4 telling us what is going on ect

we also got a catalogue of Xmas cards ect to buy which part of the proceeds go to blue cross we donate blankets to the Birmingham Dogs home at Xmas in memory of our Cagney



There are many folk like us who would gladly donate but there can be on secrecy as that's when folk get suspicious I was very upset to read about them putting down puppies when i think of our Little Alice who fought for her life over 8 months with Blue Cross help only her and 1 other survived out of the 12



Much more OPENESS is called for methinks

HildySmith


Joined: 02/07/2009
Posts: 1708

Message Posted:
08/09/2009 16:15

I am a responsible dog owner. With regards to funding KAR. I sponsor a dog with Dogs Trust in the UK. He is an English Springer Spaniel called Podge. He is quite old and cannot relate to people due to is temperament which has been caused by people who have owned him. I get regular updates and photographs on his care/health and progress. During the heat earlier this summer he got a paddling pool to cool down in. I pay £1 a week to his care. I visited my Chemist and saw Podge's picture in their so they too sponser Podge. I send my mobile phones and ink cartridges etc to them using the envelopes they provide, I sell raffle tickets, buy from their xmas catalogue. All of this funds Dogs Trust who never put a healthy dog down. I would support KAR in the same way if possible.

catalkoykid


Joined: 15/02/2009
Posts: 1190

Message Posted:
08/09/2009 16:24

they have a website easy to publish the year end accounts but they will never come

HildySmith


Joined: 02/07/2009
Posts: 1708

Message Posted:
08/09/2009 16:26

What do you mean catalkoykid 'they will never come'

catalkoykid


Joined: 15/02/2009
Posts: 1190

Message Posted:
08/09/2009 16:43

well why dont they put the accounts for the year on there website for everyone to see,instead of saying come to the agm,everything including mess 10 there voting is all secret lol

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
08/09/2009 17:17

Have been in touch with Kar regarding muzzles, a lady called Margret answered me to say they would be very pleased with any muzzles as a donation. They have resumed walking but being strict about only using muzzles whilst this poisoning is going on.

I will be taking out a selection of sizes to Kar, and think that if any one is at all bothered about accounts etc, this is one way of dealing with it, as then you know it is being spent on what you see as fit for the cause.



Lets all hope that the poisioner is found, but I do have my doupts as it is happening at different places. lol

MickyFinn


Joined: 30/06/2009
Posts: 102

Message Posted:
08/09/2009 17:24

Serkan. Brilliant idea!!!!! Please believe me when I say that the dogs WILL run, when they see my pit bull!!

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
08/09/2009 17:30

Sekan that could be a really good event, when our kids were young the village used to have dog racing every year.The owners would be at one end of a track, about 40/50 yds, the dogs lined up at the other by another family member, with a toy rabbit attached to string and someone on a bike would get the dogs to run after it, all hell used to break out but great fun, never had any dog fighting as dogs just loved the run. Kids used to run with the dogs, but now I suppose this sort of thing is classed as dangerous. Still, it was fun.

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
08/09/2009 18:14

RE msg 23, dizzycows: (...) I will be taking out a selection of sizes to Kar (...)

=> Well done.

=> Slightly off topic, but have a look here as well: http://www.cyprus44.com/forums/22196.asp

exnavalperson


Joined: 22/07/2009
Posts: 224

Message Posted:
09/09/2009 08:29

London Cypriot.



You just try getting a pound a month out of me. The result would be rather interesting!!!

HildySmith


Joined: 02/07/2009
Posts: 1708

Message Posted:
09/09/2009 15:11

Keep your pound - it obviously means a lot to you.

But don't complain about the stray dogs around TRNC, or the dog messes, or the barking etc

enjoy your £1

Quarmby


Joined: 15/09/2008
Posts: 975

Message Posted:
09/09/2009 16:17

Msg 2



They are a charity but it does not give the public much confidence when they refuse point blank to give the voting results on an election to appoint a new shop committee.

catalkoykid


Joined: 15/02/2009
Posts: 1190

Message Posted:
09/09/2009 16:24

very true quarmby

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
09/09/2009 16:50

Oh dear, all I can say is if you are not happy with the accounts, etc etc, why dont some of you become committee members? Has Kar got directors? how is it set up? just wanting to know from the forum, lol

minertor



Joined: 14/02/2009
Posts: 1238

Message Posted:
09/09/2009 17:18

msg 31, Dizzy, you're wasting your time. Helping run something like KAR is time consuming, heartbreaking and sometimes feels like a waste of time. It does, however, give the moaners and do nowts a target to aim at. Anyone who complains about the people giving their time to these unfortunate animals should try helping. I have no intention of putting myself out too much, but will do the EASY option and donate. If these unselfish "tossers" (according to some) tell me how.

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
09/09/2009 17:55

Hi Minertor, thats another reason why I have been in direct contact with Kar, and will be bringing out 20 muzzles which I will just drop off. I do not want to get involved with helping etc as not living in NC. I also do not want a guided tour of the place. But as you have so rightly said that to many are quick to shout when it is just run by volunteers, and not as a business. But thats life aint it. Wow, we aint half wise, or rather ingenuous. lol

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
09/09/2009 18:03

Forgot to mention that by donating muzzles, food etc it does let you spend it on things that you think might be of benifit to what ever cause. lol

westender


Joined: 14/05/2009
Posts: 328

Message Posted:
09/09/2009 22:22

Members get a copy of the KAR accounts every year.

My local RSPCA branch do not publish their accounts on their website but they are available if anyone asks to see them, I am sure if you went to the KAR office they would show them to you.

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
09/09/2009 23:59

Well there you go then, those moaners, dont moan if Kar gives out copies to their members, do some on here not realise that it does cost money to print accounts etc, paper, time, ink, all money. lol

westender


Joined: 14/05/2009
Posts: 328

Message Posted:
10/09/2009 00:06

KAR does try to keep this cost down by sending all notices by email, but sometimes this is not possible if members do not inform them of up to date contact info, then they have to go to the expense of snail mail.

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
10/09/2009 02:04

I think most people want to know who receives big wages whilst the rest are volunteers thats all i

catalkoykid


Joined: 15/02/2009
Posts: 1190

Message Posted:
10/09/2009 06:35

as quarmby said why is the voting secret ???

exnavalperson


Joined: 22/07/2009
Posts: 224

Message Posted:
10/09/2009 08:15

Message 28



It is not a good thing to sneer at people who obviously have a lot less money than you do and will not squander it on pets whether we want to, or not.

Quarmby


Joined: 15/09/2008
Posts: 975

Message Posted:
10/09/2009 08:53

Westender



so do you think by visiting KAR they would give you the election results for the shop committee, when they do not have the common decency to give them to the shop staff who actually did the voting. Come on KAR come clean and give the figures, why are you still remaining silent over this issue, what are you hiding, what are you afraid of, is this how you conduct your charity. One has to ask the question 'has there been vote rigging?'

KAR give out the figures to prove this theory wrong. Your silence is deafening.

westender


Joined: 14/05/2009
Posts: 328

Message Posted:
10/09/2009 17:19

Quarmby you are like a dog with a bone over this issue! I do not live in North cyprus and am not concerned over the voting of the shop committee which is a matter purely for the volunteers in the shop themselves. Methinks you have a vested interest in this, am I right?

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
10/09/2009 18:56

Dont know how Kar is run, neither do I really want get involved with who gets what, but sure as heck if folks want somewhere to keep the strays, I dont think I would keep pecking away unless I was prepared to take on the huge responsibility of looking after the day to day running of the place. Just a thought for the ones that think something sinister is going on. lol

Quarmby


Joined: 15/09/2008
Posts: 975

Message Posted:
10/09/2009 20:32

All I want to see is fairness in the running of Kar's charity shop and what is going on is underhanded and quite frankly corrupt, so some of you condone this do you. This is a charity and all it's dealings should be all above board and transparent, clearly this is not so. if this is how they run things, all yopu contributors out there should be a little concerned.

dizzycows, the huge responsibility of running the place also includes honesty and no cover ups.

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
10/09/2009 21:44

Agree there Quarmby, but have seen things fold because of niggly stuff that can be sorted, go up there and ask for the books, nobody is going to shoot you! If you are that concerened, please do something. But before you do any thing what proof do you have? what evidence have you got before you start accusing someone or something, lol

westender


Joined: 14/05/2009
Posts: 328

Message Posted:
10/09/2009 22:23

I think Quarmby should come clean and declare his interest in the matter of the shop committee, after all how many of us even knew there was such a thing and that there was a recent election?

Quarmby


Joined: 15/09/2008
Posts: 975

Message Posted:
10/09/2009 22:56

dizzycows



a member of the shop staff rang the office and asked for the results and were told



'you will never ever be told of the voting results'



So what conclusions should you draw from that?



I am merely asking them to declare the voting figures, but they are refusing to do so, so I leave you to draw your own conclusions.



westender

I did not expect you to know there had been an election. I am just bringing to the attention of people who donate to KAR the rather extraordinary turn of events that are going on to a registered charity here in the TRNC.

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
10/09/2009 23:12

Well do the same as I will be doing and that is donate goods, no problem then, other than those that raise funds at stall holders and gift shops. Before funds are handed over ask the question there and then. lol

HildySmith


Joined: 02/07/2009
Posts: 1708

Message Posted:
11/09/2009 00:41

Quarmby, it strikes me that you have some kind of axe to grind in relation to the shop/committee/votes - I don't give a XXXX for these, my thoughts are for the animals and their car. I went to town yesterday about bought over a dozen collars and leads of different sizes and I will get more before I come back. If you are not happy about what this charity does then as dizzycows states - donate in goods.

If you have got an axe to grind the state what it is and get it off your chest - then think about the dogs

catalkoykid


Joined: 15/02/2009
Posts: 1190

Message Posted:
11/09/2009 08:07

if they cant be honest with voting, god knows what they are like with the money, no wonder they are skint

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
11/09/2009 08:09

Why are you all attacking Quarmby for bringing into the public domain something that is clearly corrupt at KAR, as you all know I do not support KAR, not now and not ever, I think the the staff do a very good job but that is where my praise stops.



Quarmby has always been a supporter of KAR and the very fact that he is questioning the goings on should make you all sit up and take notice....NOT ATTACK HIM.

Codger


Joined: 03/04/2009
Posts: 153

Message Posted:
11/09/2009 10:36

Quarmby is attacking KAR with unfounded allegations, we have been here before where the main moaners of KAR become silent when asked for evidence of their allegations or what is their alternative to KAR.



So Quarmby if you have any EVIDENCE of malpractice please bring it out in the open so it can be discussed and sorted. All you have presented so far is hearsay of someone who phoned up etc etc this is not EVIDENCE but mischief making and yes it is looking increasingly obvious that you have an alternative motive for you outburst.



Deeecyprus4

Your message 51 and I quote ' something is clearly corrupt at KAR ' again please present your EVIDENCE for this statement. It is well know of your dislike for KAR so again what is your alternative suggestions for the care of animals. If you cannot present any EVIDENCE of malpractice or a suggestion whereby YOU can do something better for the animals I would suggest you remain silent on the subjects and direct you hate somewhere else.



Codger

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
11/09/2009 10:43

My thoughts codger and Katymackem, if there is evidence of any malpractice perhaps they can enlighten us, until such time, its just rummmmmmmers, LOL xx

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
11/09/2009 10:57

Lets get this thread back to what it is about, raising funds for KAR.

Any posting that is off topic will now be deleted.

AJ

catalkoykid


Joined: 15/02/2009
Posts: 1190

Message Posted:
11/09/2009 10:59

why is the voting secret

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
11/09/2009 17:41

Codger I have very many times suggested alternatives which are jumped upon and I am called a liar or as good as, I really do not need to repeat myself over and over again.

Codger


Joined: 03/04/2009
Posts: 153

Message Posted:
11/09/2009 19:12

Deecyprus4



If my memory serves me correctly your suggestion for helping KAR's funds go further was to have a programme of euthanasia, you also say that Vets will do this.



As I have said to you in the past KAR would go along with this if a Vet could be found who would euthanise a healthy adult dog. I have also asked you to provide the name of a Vet who will do this but you have not provided a name, in fact the many other persons who say it can be done have not provided a name either.



If you are aware of a Vet who will provide this service please let KAR know or put the details here.



If you have any other suggestions for raising funds, apart from verbal personal attacks on KAR members please put them on this thread so they can be evaluated.



I am not connected to KAR in any way but I fully appreciate the hard thankless task that they do and I do not think they deserve the criticism that certain persons seem to enjoy dishing out.



Codger

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
12/09/2009 08:07

Codger I am not prepared to repeat myself over and over, as for raising funds, you are having a laugh, they get enough!

HildySmith


Joined: 02/07/2009
Posts: 1708

Message Posted:
16/09/2009 20:02

Voting of all types is done in secret as some people prefer not to let others see how they vote, often because they do not want to be on the receiving end of bullyies who want them to change their mind.

I found a dog tied up in a carpark with no water and no food it looked very distressed. I went to the shop to get food and water and when I came back a KAR representative was there. She asked if I had been feeding the dog and I told her no and I gave the dog the food and water which I had bought. She took the dog to the shelter.

What should we have done - left the dog to die tied to a tree in a car park.

KAR do CARE!! GIVE THEM ALL THE SUPPORT YOU CAN - Not critisism - if you are unhappy with the way something is run - get in there, take responsibility and change it.

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
17/09/2009 00:43

kar do care and are paid to as all well run charties pay thier excutives. We must remember this. Most charties rely on volunteers and KAR has them. If there was a charity commision here then they would have to submit accounts. I agree they do a good job and its only for the help of the volunteers they can. I know many at the top take annimals into thier home for a cost I beleive also help get pet passports for a cost. I know the centre is over run an\d they do thier very best but I have been her 5 years and fed thousands and rang for help so many times to no avail even when my BJ was 30 mins from death as was his 14 brothers and sisters Kar i wish you contined success

AlexF065


Joined: 07/09/2009
Posts: 271

Message Posted:
17/09/2009 05:16

i will give to animals in need



BUT



i wont give to an org that is NOT fully OPEN and TRASPARENT in every way I and many do not give to the RSPCA as we do not like the fact they WILL put a healthy dog down

With the KAR i would not give money if as has been sugested a human is getting rich at the expence of the animals and volenteers



GIVE food ,blankets, muzles anything for the animals but not money while the transparency issues are sorted to everyones satisfaction



I have no objection to people earning money but at the same time I would want that for every pound i give only 20pence goes to wages and running costs other than the Animals

fiendishpaul


Joined: 18/05/2008
Posts: 1720

Message Posted:
17/09/2009 08:30

As has become so common on this forum, this thread contains a number of allegations, none of which are substantiated with the slightest thread of evidence.



For those making the allegations and anybody else with an interest in how KAR is run or funded, the KAR Annual General Meeting takes place at 7.30pm on the 29 Sept at the Ezic Premier restaurant. Rather than sitting here in anonymity making unsubstantiated allegations, why not go along to the meeting and ask the people that you are accusing, the questions that you appear so desperate to have the answers to ?



Or is this too up front and personal ?



Regards



Paul