disturbing posters on lamp posts in the south Cyprus

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
08/09/2009 17:41

Whilst in the south of Nicosia yesterday I saw lots of lamp posts with small but easily seen posters with the Cyprus map on it ...the north was depicted with a dagger and was covered in what was supposed to be blood...how can there ever be a settlement..why do the GC's do things like this..they are hatefilled aggressors.

Tootie


Joined: 28/08/2008
Posts: 2037

Message Posted:
08/09/2009 18:08

""why do the GC's do things like this..they are hatefilled aggressors.""

Maybe because thats all they can do?? lol



I read on the cyprus forum, They were all moaning..... " The first thing we should do is get rid of that bloody great flag on the mountains they've got" lol

karakum5c



Joined: 18/03/2008
Posts: 1021

Message Posted:
08/09/2009 18:11

I like the flag, it always makes me feel like i am nearly home when i see it.

Geejay


Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 475

Message Posted:
08/09/2009 18:32

You're right they are filled with hate for all thinks Turkish. Another significant matter is that The Greek Cypriot army is taught to chant 'the only good Turk is a dead Turk'.

Just think what would happen if the Turkish Army were to leave. Lets hope Talat doesn't give that away in the talks. Their replacement by UN troops would be useless to prevent a bloodshed.

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
08/09/2009 18:55

Geejay I don't for one think the Turkish army will leave or that Talat has the power to even put that proposal forward....thank god!

viper


Joined: 14/07/2008
Posts: 119

Message Posted:
08/09/2009 19:27

Geejay

Message 4



'Just think what would happen if the Turkish Army were to leave.'



I think the GC's should be more worried about what if the Turkish army was unleased on them..







Viper

southgate



Joined: 28/03/2009
Posts: 37

Message Posted:
08/09/2009 20:21

Re message 6...I have heard this out of a greeks mouth...it was said to me but the person that said didn't realise I was married to a huge turkish man...soon changed his tune when he found out...

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
08/09/2009 20:21

If you didn't go to the South side then these vulgar posters wouldn't cause you grief! Border should closed anyway.



Richard

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
08/09/2009 20:30

bonio;

"I am writing"



Dont be a plonker all your life.

rowlo



Joined: 12/10/2008
Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
08/09/2009 20:31

bonio msg 10, your reading the wrong stuff mate , thats what you greeks did , but you called it enosis , moderators time pikey was put to bed again ?????????????????????/

clayton


Joined: 30/11/2008
Posts: 1143

Message Posted:
08/09/2009 20:48

bonio

am i wrong to say you greeks started something but couldnt finish it.

billyboy1


Joined: 01/06/2009
Posts: 590

Message Posted:
08/09/2009 21:00

Bonio



There was NO turkish invasion it Was intervention.....



and as for



The Commission’s report of July 10, 1976 found Turkey guilty of violating the following articles of the European Convention on Human Rights:



Turn the mirror around, the same can and is said about what the greeks did....



2 sides to make a war and 2 sides to blame...greeks are not as innocent as they like to depict

Maz


Joined: 29/03/2009
Posts: 1924

Message Posted:
08/09/2009 21:04

This is what is fondly known as 'The Bloody Flag' and was in evidence at a recent rally in Traflagar Square in London. The MEP Mary Honeyball was standing right under it which bought a spate of complaints on her blog page.



But instead of moaning (quite rightly)_ about this awful representation of the island, why not join Embargoed! (www.embargoed.org) or find them on Facebook and join on line there, as they are constantly fighting for justice and equality for the north. You CAN matter in this fight.



They are about to launch a special Project to ensure that all MEP's and MP's in London are aware of the true history of the island and ask for the same rights as afforded to the GC's. Plus a lot more.



Embargoed! is keen to have ex pat support. They fight hard on behalf of TRNC in London and want to ensure that justice is done over the Orams case etc.



And just on a personal note, as I am one of 'them' (Embargoed! I mean) and will be going to a committee meeting in London n

Maz


Joined: 29/03/2009
Posts: 1924

Message Posted:
08/09/2009 21:07

oops, ran out of words....

.... London next week, can I take any messages of encouragement from any of you, and can I bring back any message for you. Embargoed! would be so encouraged to know that we ex pats don't just moan and whinge, but we speak out and fight (verbally) for the country which is home to many of us.



Over to you. By the way, The Bloody Flag is also part of an offensive t-shirt which is worn at some rallies, but Embargoed! did manage to get it banned. So... join 'em.

Tiggy


Joined: 25/07/2007
Posts: 1994

Message Posted:
08/09/2009 21:08

The same stupid stickers are posted on Lamp posts in Camden Town......and I have seem them in Bounds Green as well. Poor deluded GC's that can not see further than the end of their noses.



Moderators/Izett, is it not about time you got rid of this Pike/Bonio clown for once and for all ? How sad for an ex wren and Police informer to be making such an idiot of himself on a grown up forum.

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
08/09/2009 21:13

RE msg 17, billyboy1: (...) There was NO turkish invasion it Was intervention.... (...)

=> With all due respect and just for the record, billyboy1, imo it was an intervention - but there cannot be an intervention in another country without an invasion.

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
08/09/2009 21:18

tiggy



yes i have seen one stuck in the back window of a car in finsbury park .





clayton



no you are quite right ,they had started something they could not finished ,and a lot of gc,s



now realize this.





musin



long live the kktc

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
08/09/2009 21:34

Bonio should invade the planet Uranus and claim it all for himself. He would be very happy there as his arguments would be well received!



MarieB, if the expatriate community who actually live in TRNC and financially keep it buoyant, were given the vote they maybe a little more proactive in their support for your organisation.



Richard

Turtle


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
08/09/2009 21:49

If everyone ignored this idiot he would soon get bored and go away

Brinsley


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Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
08/09/2009 21:57

Turtle



What have I done to upset you?!



Richard

clayton


Joined: 30/11/2008
Posts: 1143

Message Posted:
08/09/2009 22:06

long live the kktc

bonio do one

Arthur


Joined: 04/11/2008
Posts: 687

Message Posted:
08/09/2009 22:15

Richard-msg 26. If he were alive today, and "Bonio" did invade Uranus, I reckon Sir William Herschell [who discovered the planet] would have the right arse.



My Westie named Robbie has gone right off bonios...............................................

nurseawful



Joined: 06/02/2009
Posts: 5934

Message Posted:
08/09/2009 22:20

If you all log on to Cyprus Forum you will read that they hate the Brits as much, if not more,

than our friends the Turkish Cypriots. but let us not forget it is the MINORITY that preach hate and put these posters up.



At Metahan border the sign says " I AM HAPPY TO BE A TURK' and I say, long live Graffiti Mountain.

Chris

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
08/09/2009 23:54

Once a plonker,always a plonker



says I







































bonio

Tiggy


Joined: 25/07/2007
Posts: 1994

Message Posted:
09/09/2009 00:18

msg 25........what a load of old toot!



Pikey's brain has now split in to smaller pieces and is unable to tell who he is now.



Send the £1000 you owe me to your mates who make the hate stickers. or give it to cypwhinge so she can put it towards a face lift.



Nice to be in touch with you again.....the thought that knowing you were banned may make you realise what a peackerhead you have been in the past.....but you are what you are........A PLONKER!!!



XX

fire starter


Joined: 19/06/2008
Posts: 3401

Message Posted:
09/09/2009 10:42

nurse,

on the cyprus forum they don't hate brits , just brits who live on exchange land and think it is ok to justify it.



if you don't like the posters on lamp posts ,don't go south.

i have been here listening to your racist views but when it comes to shopping or using larnaca airport you change.

if you don't like the roc or the gc's then don't go there! don't shop there or fly from there. after all you hate them so much why would you fuel their economy?

abide by the imigration rules here and stop using your roc visits to renew your visa's!

shop in the trnc and fly from ercan and play by the rules.!



i think you need to remember that at the end of the day both gc's and tc's are cypriots. most of us are just visitors in their country. it is not our place to take sides.

racism in 2009 is not acceptable, you are just as bad as the people who put up those posters.

Troodo


Joined: 12/06/2008
Posts: 1002

Message Posted:
09/09/2009 11:18

Msg 31

and let us not forget that the majority do not tear them down, anymore than they stopped the murder of TC,s in the sixties.



Troodo.

AlexF065


Joined: 07/09/2009
Posts: 271

Message Posted:
09/09/2009 14:42

I only know a very little of what ent on from history

according to what i read the TC people were treated very badly by a cleric Archbishop Makariouswho was the president of the whole of cyprus after the British left in 1959 backed by Athens as he was also prominent in the greek cypriot movment that wanted unification with Greece.

He servived 4 differing assasination attempts and also the coup in 1974

A general George Girvas is also a prominent figure in the months leading up to the Turkish Government feeling they had to intervene in the Island as the TC peoples were being treated like Animals

I cannot find to much out about this chap but it is no suprise to find that the greek authadox church and the military who formed the Greek Government at the time were trying to blackmail the archbishop to tow there particular line.

I think the problems are the GC families have become rich in the south and are wanting everything their own way but you have to remember the stratigic positio

AlexF065


Joined: 07/09/2009
Posts: 271

Message Posted:
09/09/2009 14:44

strategic position of Turkey at the moment within the various weaves of world affairs I really cannot see the Turks giving way on this they are not a stupid nation and know well how to get double cream from a goat!!

rocking


Joined: 05/11/2008
Posts: 421

Message Posted:
09/09/2009 15:01

Last time they run next time they will swim - LONG LIVE THE TRNC

cypwine


Joined: 09/05/2009
Posts: 177

Message Posted:
09/09/2009 16:52

well said msg 35.....

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
09/09/2009 18:37

bonio



You're going on my bazooka list!



Richard

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
09/09/2009 19:38

msg40,

rocking;

With your permission



msg42,

bonio;

I'd love that oportunity to do it your face,

dont hold back,BRING THEM ON,I'll be waiting.

viper


Joined: 14/07/2008
Posts: 119

Message Posted:
09/09/2009 19:50

Bonio



I know rocking very well and yes she would say it to there face..... and in french as well !!!!!





viper

Jeannie


Joined: 04/08/2009
Posts: 3283

Message Posted:
09/09/2009 19:58

viper - I know rocking well too - and she DEFINITELY would



J

clayton


Joined: 30/11/2008
Posts: 1143

Message Posted:
09/09/2009 20:20

firestarter mess 35

just hate brits on exchange land

but its alright for them to come to britain bum of the state and go to our universities rent free.costing to the british tax payer

rowlo



Joined: 12/10/2008
Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
09/09/2009 20:54

msg 35 , firestarter ,what a hypocrite you are , you spout the venom on the greek forum, your another sad person that most decent people on here would/nt pxss on if you were on fire .

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
09/09/2009 21:08

rose msg 35



do you believe we should turn a blind eye to these banners ,or do you believe we should confront

them,it would be nice to get a straight answer from you .



you also state that it,s just brits who own gc land they hate ,you don,t believe that for a moment

really,do you .



juliet



one cypriot to another yeh ,live and let live ,you in the south and us in the north,kalinihta gori mu.







musin



long live the kktc

cypwine


Joined: 09/05/2009
Posts: 177

Message Posted:
09/09/2009 22:23

except Musim you live in the UK!!!! are you one of the Cypriots that Clayton msg 49 refers to!!??

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
09/09/2009 22:51

pikey





long live the kktc





musin

Tiggy


Joined: 25/07/2007
Posts: 1994

Message Posted:
09/09/2009 23:27

msg 54....I bet you did not say that when you were the "bitch" on HMS Mincer!



Pike said: "one at a time lads..... please"

rowlo



Joined: 12/10/2008
Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
09/09/2009 23:39

msg 52 , cypwine join bonio and chew something /////

Tiggy


Joined: 25/07/2007
Posts: 1994

Message Posted:
09/09/2009 23:57

Pikey,



the last thing I would do is wager anything with a liar like you.



Ok, my place....can you make it over to Ireland and bring suzanne/cypwine/juliette as your back up! and bring the 3000 euro with you.



I think you may need to book yourself back in to the psychiatric ward in Girne/Kyrenia hospital. Ambulance is on the way.

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
09/09/2009 23:57

bonio



I will tell you what's not good for your health is your continuous rantings about pro GC propaganda nonsense. Be very very careful.



Richard

Arthur


Joined: 04/11/2008
Posts: 687

Message Posted:
10/09/2009 00:11

Can I just say that although I don't agree with"Firestarters" comments generally, his comments on msg 35 have a bit of an echo to Bonio who says he is located in Kyrenia. If he doesn't like it, why stay in the TRNC ??

Same applies to Pikey/Macha/Cypwine/whatever name he now calls himself.

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
10/09/2009 00:21

Tiggy Msg 58



Wrong on that one. He'll need an orthopedic ward, he's already been committed!



Richard

girne 29


Joined: 06/12/2007
Posts: 1488

Message Posted:
10/09/2009 01:25

firestarter message 35.



who you trying to kid,? Only the people who dont go into your forum. Damn cheek you talking about anyone being rascist after what we read. As for your comment about not going south if you dont like it,the same reasoning could apply to you and and to at least half of those who , it seems have moved from the south and bought or rented in Kyrenia(yeah right) in the last few months,and have just heard of Cyprus 44 .



Rowlo message 50 .

msg 35 ,

" firestarter ,what a hypocrite you are , you spout the venom on the greek forum, your another sad person that most decent people on here would/nt pxss on if you were on fire"



You are too right, I try not to engage with any of them on this site for that reason .I would have more respect if they used the same sweary words and bile on here instead of the pretence.

Jeannie


Joined: 04/08/2009
Posts: 3283

Message Posted:
10/09/2009 01:27

Well, yet again, the lunatics have taken over the asylum.



Come on Brinsley - wait for your "Old Mother Wick" comment.

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
10/09/2009 01:53

Msg 63



N/A

CyprusChill


Joined: 08/05/2009
Posts: 666

Message Posted:
10/09/2009 02:05

Disturbing posters ....... propaganda.



Thats us and our previous.



When the children can hold hands, without a head full of shite.



Perhaps then, progress will be made.

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
10/09/2009 02:16

The GC children are indoctrinated from birth by their families and thereafter by the teachers from primary school upwards!



Richard

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
10/09/2009 08:16

An interesting document about GC children's attitudes towards Turks and Turkish Cypriots is available here.

http://www.lse.ac.uk/collections/EPIC/documents/ICSpyrou.pdf

AJ

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
10/09/2009 08:26

And although this research was carried out in 1996/7 you have to remember that these children are now in their late teens and are just about to become adults.

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
10/09/2009 11:33

GC schoolchildren are still waving Greek flags at every opportunity - if it wasn't so serious, it would be laughable, poor little ignorant 'sheep'.



They're still indoctrinated from birth; from home, by the Orthodox Church, and from when they start until they finish school, then when they do their National Guard stint.



'Cosseted in irrational bigotry' simply sums it up.

Stubs


Joined: 01/07/2008
Posts: 641

Message Posted:
10/09/2009 12:02

Some of the posts on here laughable.



I have said this before and no doubt say it again, many ex-pats are hiding behind the things that Turkish Cypriots experienced to justify their own ends.



Much of it comes accross as hypocritical as many have a vested interest given their property situation.



Over the years there have many came onto forums and bbs like this and publicily justified why they have bought and what they have bought by using the guise of supporting the Turkish Cypriot community, when they themselves have bought some cheap property. Some of these people have been shafted by the very administration which they supported, some vehemently, and then disappeared into the abyss

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
10/09/2009 12:20

msg 70

Dont be a plonker all your life bonio!!!

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
10/09/2009 12:35

Stubs



'Some of the posts on here laughable.'



How about telling us which post's you find 'laughable' so that we can discuss them and hopefully lighten the chip that you have on your shoulder.

AJ

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
10/09/2009 12:42

John

Message 70

Have you read the paper that I posted a link to?

And your thoughts on this paper?

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
10/09/2009 12:56

John

Message 75

What a lot of tosh you are posting, I know you can do better than that. Running out of steam?

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
10/09/2009 13:06

'Bonio' and 'Stubs'

An easy question for you both to answer.



Do you question the legality of the TRNC?

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
10/09/2009 13:53

John

'Also, as a moderator do you allow members to insult others saying "plonke'

I think you meant 'plonker'

If you have ever lived in London you would know that it is a term of endearment .

Do you regard it as a swear word?

nurseawful



Joined: 06/02/2009
Posts: 5934

Message Posted:
10/09/2009 15:26

Message 35 Firestarter,

I once again say on some of the postings on the Cyprus Forum the members blatently state that they hate Brits. Not just Brits in the North but also in the South, they want them all of the island. Take time to browse that forum and you will find it amongst all the bad language ( which incidentally is just lack of vocabulary).



Secondly I do not shop in the South why would I !

And wring again I do not fly from Larnaca airport why would I travel down there when I have a perfectly good airport on my doorstep.



Have a nice day.

Chris

rocking


Joined: 05/11/2008
Posts: 421

Message Posted:
10/09/2009 15:44

Message 42 - yes I would say it to their face. I already have had one or two 'run-ins' with GCs who think they own the island and let them come to my house you will soon see or read about what happens. I fly two enormous flags on my property - one Turkish Cypriot and one Turkish - come on, shouldn't be difficult to find. Thank you for those posting messages who know me and their comments.

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
10/09/2009 17:55

So bonio;

What are you now?!

or

Should I have asked,who are you to ask either of those questions?????



You want to ask questions regarding TRNC??????



Come and see me,I will give you all the answers you need regarding TRNC.



in the meantime



get this into youer HEAD,

We dont want you in TRNC,and we dont want anything to do with "your end".



As for insulting:I havent called you a "s**t shiveller",have I?



Perhaps you have mistaken me for some one else!!!



I suggest you look at my profile picture!







guess what?



Its ME









Now, I suggest you stay where you are ,and focus 0n your own side,and WE get on with TRNC













LONG LIVE











TRNC









NE MUTLU "TURKUM" DIYENE

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
10/09/2009 18:04

Bonio is so clever he doesn't think Azerbaijan is a Country! Re Msg 82



Richard

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
10/09/2009 19:08

Hi, Bonio:



I note, with disappointment, that you are not prepared to disagree with my posting/Msg 69.



While you ponder this anomaly, perhaps you would enlighten us all, North and South, as to why the GC (adult) authorities send their schoolchildren and students to do their demonstrating for them, on the Buffer Zone and elsewhere?



Speaking of 'thuggishness', I well remember the demonstration at which the attempted hauling down of the Turkish flag incident occurred - it was GC bikers, who rode up to Nicosia from all over RoC, plus the students.



My Canadian (UNFYCYP) friend was on duty that day - apart from being verbally abused, spat at and physically threatened, he had sand flung in his face several times. He told me that one young GC wouldn't cease being confrontational, so he had no alternative but to clout him across the ear with the handset of his field telephone.



What a shame, in the real sense of the word, that GC youngsters have been conditioned to behave thus!

Stubs


Joined: 01/07/2008
Posts: 641

Message Posted:
10/09/2009 19:18

AJ re msgs 73 and 78



Some of the claims on this and other bbs have been ludicrous to say the least. We have had one member even go so far as claim that the exchange land upon which he has a house built has been "legally exchanged "and that many GC's had "legally exchanged" their land. Of course he could not substantiate such claims that any GC land had been legally exchanged outside the very few cases of the property commision.



I welcome your opinion of such claims



As for questioning the legality of the TRNC. I am no doubt sure that doing so breaches number 5 of the forum rules.



AJ likewise you have been on various bb's for a number of years. Surely you must have seen people during that time coming and going. Saying that they supported the Turkish Cypriot community and they themselves have been offered absolutely no protection from the very administration of which they have so vehemently supported.



(cont)

Stubs


Joined: 01/07/2008
Posts: 641

Message Posted:
10/09/2009 19:27

It is very difficult for a huge number of ex-pats to have a balanced view on the Cyprus problem and in particular the land issues. Many of these people have a vested interest and are no doubt worried about having to pay compensation or in some cases perhaps give land back. Some are blinkered into thinking that even if the TRNC was recognised in its own right by the rest of the world that the land issue would be resolved. In reality if recognition was to happen then the issue over land will still have to be resolved in some way or another.



If as the current talks are anything to go by then a bi-communal bi zonal federation the issue of land will still be a thorny one. Foreigners will not be top of the list of priorities in a deal as many who have bought Esdeger deeds have done so against much advice from their own governments. Where would they go for recourse?

Stubs


Joined: 01/07/2008
Posts: 641

Message Posted:
10/09/2009 19:35

Im afraid that bonio makes a very good assessment of what is common in the TRNC in msg 75.



Furthermore the administration make very little effort to protect foreigners. The construction industry for years was the biggest part of the economy however it was not just GC propoganda or the credit crunch. The lack of protection for buyers, shoddy workmanship, lack of infrastructure etc etc all had a huge impact on people investing in property in the TRNC. Even despite all the hard work of Marion and Home buyers pressure group very little if anything has changed. All it done was highlight the ineptness of current regulations.



All these things go unregulated yet someone who, it is claimed has a forged certificate, gets banged up in jail and the government pass a law to stop people picking up anyone other than blood relatives from Ercan only to retract the law after a week. Perhaps if they dealt with real domestic issues the TRNC would become a richer place.



Doesnt make any sense.

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
10/09/2009 19:45

i really cannot understand when you have people saying cypriots ,cypriots ,cypriots they are all



cypriots, turkish or greek ........................................no no no ask a turk and he/she will tell you



a turkish cypriot is a turk first and a greek cypriot a greek ,so please .



let,s not fool ourselves ,for years the gc,s have wanted cyprus for themselves ,they don,t want



anyone but themselves ,that includes ,turks ,brits and who ever else is there,and let me also add ,



had they the power they would have achieved their goals many years ago.



aj



long live the kktc.









musin

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
10/09/2009 19:55

This has probably been said before but, Does anybody actually believe that making opinionated statements on the forum will have any effect other than starting a dispute with other peoples opinions.

What on earth do any of the sides involved expect to achieve.



I for one would really appreciate the chance to gain a greater understanding of the Cyprus problem and how it may or may not affect my family whilst living in such a beautiful country, however everytime someone posts information as either a reference or a link it is shot down in flames as false or turned upside down and backward.



From what I gather in my limited capacity, this forum is considered the TRNC sympathiser forum and the other forum is for the Greek Cypriot sympathisers so why does any body bother to write on the forum that they know will just start a fight.

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
10/09/2009 19:59

Bonio



The only truth you'll ever find is on Uranus and the quicker you get there the better for all Mankind!



Richard

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
10/09/2009 20:01

Bonio/Stubs: As a buyer of genuine pre '74 Turkish Title property, which I have been refused PTP for, having been assured there would be no problem, I agree with you both as regards whom the International community recognise as 'bona fide' buyers. Personally, I would have never considered buying so called 'Ech' property. Having been utterly cheated by the RoC tax authorities when I sold my house in Paphos, I had hoped for better things in the North - regrettably it was not to be.



As for xenophobia - my RoC friends, Cypriots and foreigners, tell me this is now reaching epidemic proportions.



We all know that 'Brits', especially, are renowned for the most hideous anti-social behaviour - but, unfortunately, it's something the Cypriots (North & South) will have to accept if they expect a viable tourist industry. I don't condone such behaviour, I abhorr it; but Cypriots seem incapable of being selective about confining their hatred to the 'yobs' and seem to despise all foreigners.

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
10/09/2009 20:04

proger1;

re msg92;

Well said.

This is what I have been pointing out from day "1".



But, some so called members with a very thick skull,that they might as well change their name to "RICHARD HEAD"to suit their personality.

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
10/09/2009 20:19

Thanks Salahi, I thought it was just me for a while.



I very recently sat with a T/C and his father who were absolute gentlemen and when I started talking about the history and the information I had picked up I was politely advised to just not mention it because nobody has an unbiased opinion on the matter and the lies and mistruths that have emerged over the past will never help the situation.

Between them they probably new about a great deal of what had really happened and all they wanted to do was move on with life and improve the country (Cyprus, north and south)



My point is that it is there birth land and they don't want to get into disputes so why do so many people, the majority of which are visitors to the country want to argue about things in the past on a Forum to say the least.

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
10/09/2009 20:33

proger1

I rest my case.

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
10/09/2009 21:00

So children born to Greek Cypriot parents in Britain, America, Australia, Greece etc. loose all their rights and Cypriot identity because it's not their birth land? I agree, and they probably hold multiple national passports too. Send them all back to where they were born and let them stir up political, historical fictional nonsense in the Countries where they belong and see what it's like to be a persecuted minority!



Richard

Tiggy


Joined: 25/07/2007
Posts: 1994

Message Posted:
10/09/2009 21:01

PIKE wrote: Call me old fashioned, but I was always brought up to be honest and truthful in life.



Well there ya go....on the Cyprus-Forum Pikey and his gang of retarded robots affectiionately refer to members of this forum as.......guess what......wait for it...."PLONKERS" Again this little misfit now under the name of bonio is proven to be nothing but a liar and a model parent.



Wanna bet!.....You can hand over my 3000 Euro to your silly mates that deface lamposts with little stickers.



Let the TC & GC decide their own fate and not a nosey little Plonker like you just stirring shi@ with nothing else better to do in your life.

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
10/09/2009 21:11

Bonio: Yes, you are right that the Canadians were withdrawn in '93 - however, at a previous GC demonstration, what I described is what happened.



As for GC's still waving Greek flags - what's your response?



Authorities sending GC students on demonstrations - yes, Bonio, you know it's true and cannot be denied, apart from the fact that several GC students have told me so.



They, of course, were the ones who were reluctant to participate.



Remember - 'braxikopima'? - rationalise that if you have the temerity to!

Tiggy


Joined: 25/07/2007
Posts: 1994

Message Posted:
10/09/2009 22:03

Unlike you.......The biggest liar on this forum!

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
10/09/2009 22:17

Maybe Bonio is a Canadian Greek Cypriot who couldn't make the 'Mounties' due to his pathological falsification of the truth and ended up as a UN border guard to further his distortion of reality and fact!



Richard

Tiggy


Joined: 25/07/2007
Posts: 1994

Message Posted:
10/09/2009 22:24

Mounties....well that may be one uniform he has not worn yet!



I miss the little sailor boy picture he had on when he was Pike.....

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
10/09/2009 22:39

Do you have something about men in uniforms Tiggy

Tiggy


Joined: 25/07/2007
Posts: 1994

Message Posted:
10/09/2009 23:20

proger1....I hardly know you!



bigger wind up key needed my friend.

Troodo


Joined: 12/06/2008
Posts: 1002

Message Posted:
10/09/2009 23:52

I still don't hear about any upright GC citizen tearing them down - shades of the past?

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
10/09/2009 23:53

That would only be needed if I was trying to wind you up Tiggy !!!

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
10/09/2009 23:56

And just as I thought Bonio had thrown in the white towel he's back with even more inane drivel. Time to load up that bazooka again!



Richard

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
11/09/2009 00:24

Bonio and Stubs

I will ask the question again and all I want is a straight yes or no, Do you question the legality of the TRNC?

Simple yes or no.

Stubs


Joined: 01/07/2008
Posts: 641

Message Posted:
11/09/2009 00:32

AJ



Ive answered the question

Tiggy


Joined: 25/07/2007
Posts: 1994

Message Posted:
11/09/2009 00:38

Pike/bonio......take someone a lot better than you......LUV it! I see your CF chum "stubs" has joined you in your sad little games.



tick tock...

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
11/09/2009 08:05

John

What sort of a reply was that?

At least have the courage of your convictions and say yes or no so that we all know where you stand.

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
11/09/2009 08:41

Bonio: for the nurth time - what about RoC children being made to wave Greek flags - please explain!



Always remember, that Greece will never lift a finger to help you - in fact, the Greeks I've spoken to really can't stand Greek Cypriots.



Perhaps the Greek Cypriots shouldn't have mocked them so much by calling them 'Kalamaras'?

rdsteve


Joined: 01/03/2009
Posts: 187

Message Posted:
11/09/2009 09:10

Whats the issue about children waving Greek flags when you drive across the TRNC and every village and town has Turkish flags in them perminantly. Minor isssue me thinks, as for the posters i deplore them they should be ripped down just a minority of mindless people. These people are not just here but all over the world. Every country has it's fascists.



Steve

cypwine


Joined: 09/05/2009
Posts: 177

Message Posted:
11/09/2009 09:19

msg 117



quite right with your last sentence.



People dont seem to realise that the Greek flag that the GCs wave is nothing to do with bowing down to Greece, its a symbolic gesture to the shared religion.

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
11/09/2009 09:50

Cypwine/Msg 118:



Another RoC euphemism, if ever there was one!



Don't you realise that the Greeks don't want you waving their national flag - hasn't it sunk in yet?

fender


Joined: 08/08/2009
Posts: 11

Message Posted:
11/09/2009 09:52

i have lived in the south for seven years now and unfortunately have been guilty of not looking for the truth i believed all i was told. After visiting TRNC a few times and becoming friends with a turk living there i now realise how wrong i was.



the young generation here are the same and unfortunately the hatred is fuelled by ignorance.



its time everyone moved on but sadly lack of knowledge wont allow that

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
11/09/2009 10:12

It's a bloody shame that the EU/UN's attitude towards TRNC is fuelled by propaganda and ignorance, too!

Troodo


Joined: 12/06/2008
Posts: 1002

Message Posted:
11/09/2009 10:32

Msg 120

Congratulations for seeing through the GC lies, it is not easy they are born to it. Why can’t the EU, UN, America and the world see them for what they are.

As I keep repeating, if the majority of GC’s want an honest solution why are they not tearing these posters down?



Troodo.

RedSnapper


Joined: 12/08/2008
Posts: 540

Message Posted:
11/09/2009 10:34

Many Greek Cypriot people are keen for a permanent solution and these hate mongers are a minority similar to NF, Combat 18 and factions of the BNP in the UK.



They are being succesful with their work by this thread publicising it...



Every Country in the World has these sado`s.

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
11/09/2009 10:40

Redsnapper I agree with you in part but if they are just a small minority then why do the vast majority not tear them down...in the UK ppl who do not agree with the BNP etc demostrate....I do not see GC's demonstrating..do you?

Troodo


Joined: 12/06/2008
Posts: 1002

Message Posted:
11/09/2009 10:44

Nor did we see them demonstrating in the fifties and sixties.

Troodo


Joined: 12/06/2008
Posts: 1002

Message Posted:
11/09/2009 10:59

Msg 112



Under true international law neither is the Roc, but the international establishment prefer to ignor that, as you seem to do. Can two illegal states ever make a whole?

Troodo.



Not sure where you are coming from nowadays A J.

Troodo


Joined: 12/06/2008
Posts: 1002

Message Posted:
11/09/2009 11:02

Msg 117

Give us a break, to the Greeks you are an embarrassment, to the people and the church.



Troodo

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
11/09/2009 11:23

Troodo

'Not sure where you are coming from nowadays A J.'



You don't need to know but rest assured John does.

Stubs


Joined: 01/07/2008
Posts: 641

Message Posted:
11/09/2009 13:09

Tiggy



I am not chums with Bonio and for the record I am not a member of the CF.

cypwine


Joined: 09/05/2009
Posts: 177

Message Posted:
11/09/2009 13:12

Tiggy



Not everyone who lives or visits (in your case) the north of cyprus has the same way of thinking as you!

Stubs


Joined: 01/07/2008
Posts: 641

Message Posted:
11/09/2009 13:21

AJ



I had another post earlier in response to your question but it must be floating around in Cyber space.



We lived in the TRNC a place we called home for around 3 and half years and have the stamps in our passports to prove it and still visit from time to time. Even when i visit I still try and fly to Ercan although it is more expensive and adds significant amount of travel time. We like many other ex-pats showed considerable loyalty to the TRNC yet they expect this but want to give foreigners absolutely no protection or rights whatsover. Do you think it is right that people come over there invest almost everything they have and struggle to get what they are contracted to receive.



Ive told of facts of some friends of mine and shared my experiences. One friend was importing a product, offering direct trade and was told by a government minister that he would not be able to bring any more in.

We tried to open an import/export business base there ..cont

Stubs


Joined: 01/07/2008
Posts: 641

Message Posted:
11/09/2009 13:33

which would have turned over a lot of money and created around 10 jobs. The stupid government wanted us to pay taxes of 20% on our turnover even though they were tax free sales. It took us 6 months of tooing and froing and finally they seen an ounce of common sense and wanted 5% (it was actually the first 80% of sales being tax free then the remaining 20% at 20% tax) which equates to around 5% of all turnover. It still didnt work if we had turned over £100k then we had to pay £5 k in tax. If we worked on 10% margin half our margin was taken away in just that part of tax. Furthermore there was more taxes to pay in terms of sigorta, corporation tax and KDV on the margins.



It was made clear that direct trade was not something they wanted thats was from a government official. My sympathy with the TRNC and its situation has detoriated. Perhaps they should get their own house in order.



By they way do you not think that some of the posts are laughable?

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
11/09/2009 14:07

msg132,

Stubs;



AJ;with your permission,



If I had paid my duties %100, based on my actual turnover as self employed and employer in UK,I'd have taken home less than my staff.

Just for the record.



in respect of,local government providing security for foreigners,I totaly agree with you to the point!

If half of you done a proper research before jumping to conclusion,none of you today would have been complaining about TRNC .

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
11/09/2009 14:51

Stubs



' By they way do you not think that some of the posts are laughable? '



Tell me which post's you find laughable and then maybe I can get to understand your sense of humour. Otherwise I find your postings very anti TC.

Do you have a sense of humour?

fire starter


Joined: 19/06/2008
Posts: 3401

Message Posted:
11/09/2009 17:03

firstly i would like to say that most of the people here making comment are part timers who don't live here and from their posts don't understand either cyprus or the cypriot people.



rowlo, you are a racist but you use larnaca airport. what actually do you know anyway.?? nothing!



nurse, i know all about the cyprus forum having been a member there longer than i have here. i have lots of very good friends there, a lot of the chat is just wind up. if you get to know the people , you would understand.



musin. if you are a cypriot refugee living on exchange land the gc's don't have a problem with you.

come on musin you are a cypriot you know the score! (you will always come out smelling of roses.)



i don't think the posters on lamp posts are right, but by letting it get to you and making racist comment only makes you as bad as those who put up the posters.

rdsteve


Joined: 01/03/2009
Posts: 187

Message Posted:
11/09/2009 17:51

Msg 139

Bonio i agree with you on some posts but you have just lowered yourself to the same league as those who talk rubbish on here. My personal opinion is that you should either apologies for you statement above or the moderators should ban you due to your insensitive comment.



Steve

Stubs


Joined: 01/07/2008
Posts: 641

Message Posted:
11/09/2009 18:03

AJ



If you care to look back you will see what I mean.



There is some posts on here which are laughable. How can someone claim that any Greek Cypriot has "legally exchanged" their land in the north? When asked to provide evidence of this as surely that changes many things with regards property in the TRNC they can not. Outside the very limited cases at the property commission no one can give any evidence of any such "exchange" taking place.



Is that not laughable to make such a claim? Or do you think its serious?

rdsteve


Joined: 01/03/2009
Posts: 187

Message Posted:
11/09/2009 18:12

Bonio

I accept your appology but my brother in law is laying in hospital with prostate cancer that is why i feel it was not approprate to go down that road and yes you wern't to know but i think any thing said it jest always comes back and bites you on the bum



Steve

Stubs


Joined: 01/07/2008
Posts: 641

Message Posted:
11/09/2009 18:13

Salihi bey



It is a little unfair for you to judge. When we done our homework the rules were different. Between the August us moving in the September the rules changed with very little warning. We then had to cough up $100,000 as we fell into the new rules. By the way we done that. We had done lots of research on the subject had taken advice from our accountant, lawyer and had various meetings with various government representatives. The rules changed several times whilst we were in the process of setting up our company and what started at a favourable tax level compared to the UK then became just ridiculous. I told one of the under ministers in the ministry that all he would do is force all the smaller foreign workers under ground and they would get no tax revenue at all.



I would have been happy to pay the same level of tax as i was in the UK, which you know yourself is quite high to the TRNC authorities. They wanted so much more that it was not viable to run any business .....

Stubs


Joined: 01/07/2008
Posts: 641

Message Posted:
11/09/2009 18:28

Running a business and getting a return on your investment is one thing. Creating jobs and giving the international community 2 fingers by trading direct is another. The TRNC government did not want direct trade that was made clear to me.



In no way am I anti-Turkish Cypriot like some people claim. I have still got several TC friends, good friends at that. Through the years I have been critical of the TC administration who in my opinion have all their priorities wrong. They prefer to through a hairdresser in jail and try to ban anyone other than blood relatives picking people up at the airport but allow and i mean have allowed some of the blatant fraud by solicitors and builders. The country pleeds poverty to Turkey yet if they got their fingers out there backsides and gave out the PTP's they would be able to collect all the tax revenue they are owed and show some sort of self sufficiency.

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
11/09/2009 18:29

Stubs;

msg 144;

Do please exept my apology that I was just stating my own experiences.

However,since you look at it like that:

When I bought my last bussiness in UK,there was 3 of us doing same trade,at the end of 10 years for some reason the amount had risen to 11.Same trade being divided to 11 instead of 3,if you know what I mean.

However,the bussiness rates,vat,rent,staff wage...etc were all on the up.

Could only sell the place for third of what I paid for it.



I think,if you look at it from that angle,you might see better where I am coming from.

Regards

Stubs


Joined: 01/07/2008
Posts: 641

Message Posted:
11/09/2009 18:32

Furthermore Salihi bey



How many people have came over there to invest, start businesses and have been literally chased away. Is it any wonder why there are more Turkish Cypriots abroad than there are in Kibris?

Stubs


Joined: 01/07/2008
Posts: 641

Message Posted:
11/09/2009 18:39

AJ



There are many ex-pats on forums who do try to spread an anti GC feeling. Strangely enough most of them have houses on esdeger deeds, is that a coincidence or what??? Most of it is done as a form of "self preservation". What is even more hypocritical is that they say portray anti GC feelings whilst not portraying pro TC feelings. It is laughable though that many go to Alphamega and Orphanides and the likes of Jumbo shopping and also fly via Larnaca.



The spreading of anti GC feeling by ex-pats has been going on a long time now. They seem to forget that TC's voted for a settlement in 2004.

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
11/09/2009 18:43

msg 145;

I wouldnt dissagree with your comments there.

But,unfortunatly,in a little place like this,its "who you know"rather then "what you know".

I dissagree with pleading poverty to Turkey thogh.



In EU,some of new members also get finacial help.Are they pleading poverty as well?



Have you ever been to places like,Romania,Bulgaria,Hungary.They are all in EU yet running decades behind Turkey.Or,would you dissagree??

Stubs


Joined: 01/07/2008
Posts: 641

Message Posted:
11/09/2009 18:45

Salihi



No need to apologise as it is a common mistake among many ex-pats that they do not do their homework.



I do see what you are saying regards the UK. It is very difficult for business owners in most countries with the amount of taxes and stealth taxes in the UK in particular will get worse. I have ran businesses in the UK for a number of years and I understand exactly what you mean.



Being an unpaid tax collector was not my chosen career ;-)



Cheers

Stubs

Stubs


Joined: 01/07/2008
Posts: 641

Message Posted:
11/09/2009 18:51

Salihi



Turkey have bailed out the TRNC every year for years. If they changed their own system in the TRNC then they would show some self sufficiency, collect the tax money and give people the deeds they are entitled too.



When the acquitis is no longer suspended in the north there will be lots of EU money poured in the same as poorer countries like you mentioned. There are some people there really living in poverty and the TRNC is rich by comparison.



My point is though every year the TRNC looks to Turkey to bail them out. If they got their own house in order it would show others that it was a self sufficient state and which backs up the independence claims.

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
11/09/2009 23:42

Stubs,

msg 151;

It takes two to tango.

Remember that old saying all the time.It is not a one way traffic.They do their part by supporting financialy,we do our part by being here.

As far as PTP is concerened,the law clearly states that one should get their PTP before buying.Which is why I said in my earlier post ,"if half of you did their research before jumping to conclusion none of you would be complaining today"

But ,I am also aware thar "2 wrongs dont make 1 wright"

Regards

Salahi

fender


Joined: 08/08/2009
Posts: 11

Message Posted:
12/09/2009 10:08

as an english man im not particularly proud of some of our history. cyprus has its problems as do most countries but if we choose to live here we should just except that and enjoy life . there is relative peace on the island from what i can see. maybe its time to move on and let go of the hatred

Stubs


Joined: 01/07/2008
Posts: 641

Message Posted:
13/09/2009 14:56

Salahi



I take on board your point about the PTP. To find out about the laws when buying a house who do you ask? I have never known of a lawyer who tells you this information even more so durint the boom years of the early 2000's. In fact in most contracts it states that if the PTP is denied then the builder will return your money to you.



The government allowed this to happen and when it all went tits up they say that the law states that you should have your PTP before you pay any money. Lawyers accross the the TRNC do not follow this law, or at least the didnt

Stubs


Joined: 01/07/2008
Posts: 641

Message Posted:
13/09/2009 14:58

AJ



Where is your response to my msg 113?

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
13/09/2009 17:50

Message 23



"if half of you did their research before jumping to conclusion none of you would be complaining today"



What a cop out! Can one do effective research with laws that are constantly changing and the introduction of so many"unwritten" laws? Where in law does it say that you cannot buy near to a military base? Where in law does it say that Pre 74 Turkish title property cannot be sold to foreigners?

If these were laws then it would be easy, as you say to do the research, and not make the mistakes.



What sort of a society has advocates (supposedly up-holders of the law) that promote PTP application as a formality and fail to adhere to the laws of the land?

Laws are introduced to protect people. If the TRNC was a "law abiding country" then people would not have to do the amount of research people claim is necessary to safeguard a simple transaction like the buying and selling of property.



In the TRNC no amount of research will protect because the laws are simply n

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
13/09/2009 18:00

cont



not there and even if they are in place are often not adhered to or enforced and are generally discriminatory to foreign buyers.

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
13/09/2009 18:55

Bradus



Quite right too! I concur, time for positive action but apart from my bazooka what do you suggest? How can anything be legal in an illegal Country? No chance of international recourse as this place doesn't exist. It's open bandit land!



Richard

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
13/09/2009 19:02

Bradus

msg127-128;

Your comments are BITTER,my intention IS NOT.





Once the mistake is made,its easy to blame someone else!

If applied for PTP before buying,you'd have found out if you could buy "pre 74" or "near a military base"



Those are taken in to consideration before PTP is given or refused.







ps.There is a lovely place where I live,would sell it to you if you want at very good price.

(it aint mine though)But that doesnt matter as long as its CHEAP,or does it?













Please be assured that I understand where you coming from,but also be prepaired to take some BLAME.

cronos


Joined: 26/10/2008
Posts: 2093

Message Posted:
13/09/2009 20:38

Yorgozlu....you do neither yourself nor TC's in general any favours by continuing to defend the absolute sham that is the "law" regarding property purchase for foreign buyers in the TRNC.



Instead of making excuses for them ,you and other TC's should be seeking to have the laws changed to encourage growth and confidence in a dying market.



It is no use dragging up the tired old cliche of "you knew you should have got your PTP before paying out any money blah,blah,blah" as this is totally unworkable.



If every Brit/foreign buyer HAD followed your advice then the building boom would not have happened at all and the resultant lost revenue would have meant an even bigger bail out being required from Turkey.



People who didn't do any research and bought off plan on the internet DO deserve to take some blame.



Those like me and many others,who did the research,and did the right thing by buying Pre-74,should not end up getting shafted by the TRNC exploiting contrived legal loopholes

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
13/09/2009 20:54

cronos



The problem with your theory is it would have meant Advocates driving around in three wheel Robins Reliant!



Richard

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
13/09/2009 21:07

So,cronos; You are more worried about TRNC economy then your own situation now,are you?



I am fully aware all about the problems you all are having.

Just cant understand that you dont want to accept any of the blame.





and,

Richard;

Your situation from my understanding is different.

There is,being refused PTP,and being conned by builder,advocate,estate agent...etc



Sal

Troodo


Joined: 12/06/2008
Posts: 1002

Message Posted:
13/09/2009 21:19

Still have not heard that any GC is pulling those posters down.

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
13/09/2009 21:35

Yorguzlu,



Why not say something constructive like new laws should be introduced which identify land and properties that foreigners will never get PTP granted on? Why not suggest that PTP should take a maximum of 3 months to finalise? Why not suggest that it is the law of the TRNC that people cannot enter into a contract before receiving their PTP? Would this not be the sensible, honest, upfront path to take?



As Richard says such constructive actions would not suffice in "bandit" country. It is easy for you to use the blame card but not particularly constructive in helping reaching a solution. My words are factual not bitter. I cannot use flowery words to describe the harsh reality many experience when buying in the TRNC.



What is sad about what is happening is the long term effects this will have on investment in the TRNC and the TC's. Could you try to be more proactive rather than reactive in your posts? Too many peoples futures are at stake for flippant answers to real proble

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
13/09/2009 21:37

Stubs

'There is some posts on here which are laughable. How can someone claim that any Greek Cypriot has "legally exchanged" their land in the north? When asked to provide evidence of this as surely that changes many things with regards property in the TRNC they can not. Outside the very limited cases at the property commission no one can give any evidence of any such "exchange" taking place.'



The whole situation is serious but until there is a settlement then you and others that continually make statements that are pure conjecture in the hope of clouding peoples attitudes towards the TRNC in my mind should not be made welcome on this board. This is my personal opinion and does not necessarily reflect that of other Board Administrators or the Board owner.

Again today I have been talking with two TC families that were displaced from Paphos and they have recently found that the properties they owned in Paphos have been illegally transfered (falsification of title deeds) to GC's (

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
13/09/2009 21:41

Continued:

(27 TC families so far that I know of) and they have the 'before and after evidence' to prove this. Apparently the GC land commission now realises what a hot potato this is about to become and are now talking about compensation but guess what! they do not deal in 'donums' any more and their original land has been reduced in size by a factor of at least 40%. So do they accept what they are offered for the 'reduced' perceived area or do they hold out and go the whole hog and take it to the ECHR?

You see everyone has problems, not just you but I do not see any TC's moaning about their lot.

AJ

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
13/09/2009 21:45

Thank you AJ.

dIDNT EVEN READ YOUR POST,JUST KNOW FROM FIRST FEW WORDS WHATS BEING POINTED OUT.



So ALL;

Not all doom and gloom at this end,is it?

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
13/09/2009 21:49

AJ it is a hot potato but is it correct that the land given in the south is leasehold whilst the TCs got freehold. Can you tell us if this is true. I am told this by many Tc friends who think this is what the problem is about x

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
13/09/2009 21:49

Bradus;

I cannot suggest those things,because there is nothing I can do to change them.(I wish I could)

I dont see the point in suggesting something constructive when I cant BUILT on it!!!

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
13/09/2009 22:13

Lilli

It is not leasehold when the documentation has been falsified to give GC's ownership.

AlsancakJack



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Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
13/09/2009 22:41

Falsification of title deeds in the South is going to become a major problem and it will be interesting to see how the ROC deal with it in its entirety, the indications so far are that they are trying to sweep it under the carpet. Interesting times.

AJ

Stubs


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Posts: 641

Message Posted:
14/09/2009 10:20

AJ



My original point which you question was that people on these boards do post some nonsense. To make a claim that the land they have built a house upon has been "legally exchanged" surely is mis-guided or indeed nieve at best. Salihi mentioned the lack of research that ex-pats do. No better example than making claims like above. Hence the reason why its laughable.

Stubs


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Posts: 641

Message Posted:
14/09/2009 10:35

AJ



Dont believe everything that your told regards these property issues. These stories have been going about for years upon years. If there is truth or substinance to them why haven't the TC press jumped on these stories and why has there not been at least one court case? Even if there was just one case the TC propoganda machine would jump on it and tell everyone how hypocritical the GCs have been with regards property. Why have none of these came to light by way of a courtcase?



A few years ago there was a group of TC and GC's who tried to falsify TC deeds in south and sell them. The journalist Hakan Hasturer was involved in exposing the story and the persons involved were prosecuted by the ROC authorities.



AJ if a TC wants his land or house back in the south all they have to do is move there or rent a house there for 6 months. There has even been cases of GC refugees being moved out of a TC owned house for the original TC owner to move back.



cont

Stubs


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Posts: 641

Message Posted:
14/09/2009 10:43

As we all know much GC land in the north has been sold or has been up for sale at one time or another. How is it fair that the TC gets to sell the land they got in the north and yet can go back and claim back the land they had in the south?



AJ



As for your personal opinion that people like me should not be welcome on this board. That is your personal opinion however much of what I have stated is reality and sharing my experiences. Now I am no longer permanently in Cyprus I can look at the situation from the outside looking in, whilst many are guilty of looking at Cyprus from the inside out.



At the same time AJ if you do not like my opinions or want to share my experiences then you dont have to read them as a board member. I will add though is that have you noticed that hardly any questions get raised or anyone comes on and tells me what i have said is not true. Even many TC's agree with me and we are/ were visitors in their country. ;-)

Brinsley


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Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
14/09/2009 11:29

Stubs



NOT TRUE. Happy now?!



Richard

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
14/09/2009 11:34

So, by this 6 month requirement, do you admit that RoC is in blatant violation of Human Rights - i.e., racial discrimination against a Cypriot due to religious difference?

Stubs


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Posts: 641

Message Posted:
14/09/2009 12:44

Cheers Richard ;-)

Stubs


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Message Posted:
14/09/2009 12:49

Tenakoutou



No. If they were why has no TC ever took them to the ECHR over it? MM has often asked the same questions and asked why no TC has ever went down the route.



Furthermore it is not based upon race, that is not correct regards the 6 month rule. If a Turkish Cypriot left Cyprus, I cant remember the exact date, but it was prior to Turkeys visit, then they do not have to stay in the ROC for 6 months to claim their land back.

Troodo


Joined: 12/06/2008
Posts: 1002

Message Posted:
14/09/2009 13:34

I thought this thread was about sick posters on street lamps in the South, not please have a slanging match.

Still no sign of the pro-solution GC’s pulling them down – Perhaps there aren’t so many after all, or maybe the President has tunnel vision.

Stubs


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Posts: 641

Message Posted:
14/09/2009 14:07

Apart from Dee has anyone else seen them??

cypwine


Joined: 09/05/2009
Posts: 177

Message Posted:
14/09/2009 14:13

probaly all off the posts now due to the rain, if there were any to begin with!! shame same cant be said for the flag on the mountain!!!

Tiggy


Joined: 25/07/2007
Posts: 1994

Message Posted:
14/09/2009 14:24

Typical of you cypwhinge. They do exist and I have seen them in North London......remove your blinkers.

cypwine


Joined: 09/05/2009
Posts: 177

Message Posted:
14/09/2009 14:31

blinkers off tiggy!! no can`t see any.. but them im in Cyprus NOT north London.

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
14/09/2009 16:36

stubs



if you think getting your land or property back from the roc is as easy as spending 6 months there



you do not know even the basics about it ,so please please do not go on about it and tell these peope



that even some tc,s agree with you.



and why has no one in the south taken these posters down,i will tell you why ,because they put them



there in the first place.



i have even seen them here in the uk in the back window of a car,does it bother me,NO and you know why



it speaks volumes about the truth and why we can never again allow ourselves to be put in another



united cyprus.



musin



long live the kktc

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
14/09/2009 16:41

cypwine



you are correct they aren,t really there ,just like the flags on the mountains.









musin





long live the kktc

hattikins


Joined: 17/02/2008
Posts: 2793

Message Posted:
14/09/2009 16:56

Perhaps these posters are next to the roadside ones setting out the Souths * demands*, troops and settlers out, a fine example of negotiation !!

Suzanne, I have heard of selective hearing but selective sight is a new one on me, there is none so blind as he who cannot see.

Tiggy


Joined: 25/07/2007
Posts: 1994

Message Posted:
14/09/2009 17:13

poor woman.....I have also seen them in the South many times. I will be over to both sides soon and no doubt fresh ones will be in evidence.....the mountain flag does not have blood dripping on it. I hope it is taken down one day.....that's if your lot want a proper and equal settlement.

Stubs


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Posts: 641

Message Posted:
15/09/2009 00:41

Musim



There is a procedure for TC's who want to claim their land back which as part of that procedure is staying in the south for 6 months. Many TC's have already made claims and returned to the south.



Is the same thing aplicable in the north

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
15/09/2009 00:53

Stubs



Your Worldly knowledge of international news must be so limited. Did you not know that every GC crossing the border to the North is tarred and feathered before being sent back!



Richard

Tenakoutou



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Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
15/09/2009 11:49

Turn those bloody signs upside down so the blood runs the other way - that would be the truth of the matter.

Stubs


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Posts: 641

Message Posted:
15/09/2009 12:05

Still only one person on this bb has seen these signs in the south then???





Where is AJ?

cypwine


Joined: 09/05/2009
Posts: 177

Message Posted:
15/09/2009 12:11

The same person stubs who says there are no mosques in the south!! says it all!!

Tiggy


Joined: 25/07/2007
Posts: 1994

Message Posted:
15/09/2009 12:34

cypwhinge:....ru saying that I have said here on the forum there are no mosques in the south????? cos if you are you are a bigger liar than your demented mate bonio/pike. you really are a scatty woman. An apology is what you need to make?



Stubs: I have seen the stickers on lamposts and other places in the south of Cyprus and in North London.

Are you a corporal in the C-F propoganda machine?

Brinsley


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Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
15/09/2009 12:37

Tiggy



No,the drummer boy!



Richard

cypwine


Joined: 09/05/2009
Posts: 177

Message Posted:
15/09/2009 13:52

Tiggy i was referring to deecyprus!! you know the one who started this thread!! please do not call me a liar on a public forum, it is you who needs to apologise! as for me being a scatty woman!!

Stubs


Joined: 01/07/2008
Posts: 641

Message Posted:
15/09/2009 18:16

Tiggy



Out of all the people who cross from the north to the south for their shopping and the airports runs on dee, who started the thread has seen them, whilst you claimed they are in Camden town.



A little strange that this thread has had over 2700 viewers yet only one person has reported a sighting.



The other question regards me being a corporal in a C-F propoganda? Does not even deserve an answer

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
15/09/2009 19:10

Stubs must be constantly stubbing out his cigarettes bending down so much that his back is permanently curved leaving his head between his knees! Hardly perfect positioning to notice fly posters!



Richard

Tiggy


Joined: 25/07/2007
Posts: 1994

Message Posted:
15/09/2009 19:14

cypwhinge....was you!



msg 1 mentions nothing about mosques....you seem to think we all can read that fluffy mind of yours. I said "cos if you are" you have a great way of distorting things. so you need to apologise for your mis leading comments.



Stubs....you are a little strange....put out a message on the c-f and I bet you will have a lot of people saying they have seen them in the south & they approve of them. I answered msg 1 in honesty and I am not a liar.

Bounds Green/Southgate areas also.



I also saw Makarios in Camden Street at the Orthodox church,when he came over blubin about the overthrow of Cyprus.....he came as the "Archb Bishop of Cyprus" for us to later to find out he was a co leader of the EOKA, a terrorist....and all in the name of his GOD. He stayed here for several months hiding under his bed...ran out on his country. He forgot to tell people about his involvement in the killing of members of the British Forces.



So the stickers do exist.

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
15/09/2009 19:21

I think you mean the 'telephone position', Richard: 'head down and ring up'!



BTW: These posters are plastered all around the Ledra Palace check-point.

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
15/09/2009 19:33

stubs



why do you persist on saying these posters do not exist ,i have seen them in and around london



quite often ,it has also been mentioned in our local paper .



however if you wish to see what they actually look like ,then go on to youtube type in cyprus 1974



and you will see ,they are not new i have seen them about for years.



musin



long live the kktc

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
15/09/2009 20:56

Musin M is quite right - these posters are plastered all round RoC, and obviously London - I've seen them for years - so, anyreconciliation of the two Cyprus communities is only a nit-wit politician's pipe-dream - let's get real, Tanrim!

Stubs


Joined: 01/07/2008
Posts: 641

Message Posted:
15/09/2009 21:04

Musim



I have never said that they do not exist please go back and re-read.



Dee, who previously has claimed that there are no mosques in the south, mentioned that she seen them on the 7th September.



No one else has came on here despite this thread being viewed over 2700 times to say that they too seen them the other day in Nicosia.



I re-iterate that many ex-pats in particular, spread an anti-GC feeling instead of a pro-TC message. Is it a coincedence that they too have bought cheaper land in the north???

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
15/09/2009 21:10

Stubs, you don't even belong to this Universe let alone Galaxy, Uranus is far to good for you!



Richard

Stubs


Joined: 01/07/2008
Posts: 641

Message Posted:
15/09/2009 21:24

Tenakoutou



Ive seen the odd one yeah granted, but that hardly makes them "plastered all around ROC".





Tiggy



i never said or implied that you were a liar.

Tiggy


Joined: 25/07/2007
Posts: 1994

Message Posted:
15/09/2009 21:25

Well stubs you do your bit as a pat ex or not to promote the GC cause. are you in any way related to pike? or have cypriot blood?



You spend most of your time on this forum on the propoganda trail. Why don't you join in other threads and give your one sided guff a rest.



Your age says 35....your ar@e was not even as big as a shirt button when in 1974 finally seperated the country. It had been coming for a long time.... I grew up with both sides in London and know a little about it.



The price of land in the South was and is still well over priced, maybe you and a load of other brits have been mugged. So keep spouting as I'm sure you have put off most of the 2700 viewers you have mentioned from buying in or going to the TRNC.

sylvie


Joined: 12/03/2008
Posts: 1081

Message Posted:
15/09/2009 21:27

so do I !!!!

andre 514


Joined: 31/03/2008
Posts: 1163

Message Posted:
15/09/2009 21:55

stubs,



I hope there isn't an anti gc feeling, there is good and bad everywhere



but the north is in the grip of an economic blockade engineered by your lot

also there are threats of litigation, more of a worry than actual at present

this is all very disquieting and troublesome for expats

while the "cyprus dispute" as you would call it has very little to do with us,

and we have virtually no influence on its future "outcome", if any



nonetheless many expats still wholeheatedly trust the greek cypriots

to act humanely and democratically should they ever get control of the north again:

...and yet, sometimes, I wonder why?

Stubs


Joined: 01/07/2008
Posts: 641

Message Posted:
15/09/2009 23:31

Tiggy



You are making assumptions, which are incorrect.



Strangely enough you also assume that I am full of "one sided guff"



I have never made any remarks which are anti-trnc. What i have done is make remarks about the people who run the TRNC and their short mindedness. Much of this is due to what we experience when we moved out there to live. I have noticed that there is not that many people who dispute what I have stated about life out there but instead accuse me of being pro-GC.



Stick to debating the posts and threads and not the posters.

Stubs


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Posts: 641

Message Posted:
15/09/2009 23:54

Andre



You are right there is good and bad everywhere. Over the years on bbs like this it seems to be much of the ex-pats who seem to spout the anti-GC feeling. In the lead up to 1974 many did not give a sh!t about Cyprus or indeed Turkish Cypriots. All of a sudden when they have bought some really cheap property now they blame the GC's for all the wrongs in Cyprus. That is a big co-incidence!! What is ironic is that these same people have no say on a potential settlement and the very administration that they so vehemently defend offers them absolutely no protection whatsoever. How many people have been shafted but the lawmakers protect the law breakers.



As for the economic blockade well direct trade does go on. New car dealer buy cars from the manufacturers, used car dealer buy direct from Japan and the UK, food importers buy from the UK, direct. Believe me it does go on. Ive sat with an underminister who has told me that they do not want direct trade. Its just selective (cont)

Stubs


Joined: 01/07/2008
Posts: 641

Message Posted:
15/09/2009 23:55

Its just selective on who can do it.



Maybe its a question that Ismet may answer after all he imports a lot of things from China. Maybe he can shed light on if he does direct trade.

Tiggy


Joined: 25/07/2007
Posts: 1994

Message Posted:
16/09/2009 00:37

I have no more to say on the subject of stickers on lamposts, as it is clear they exist.

andre 514


Joined: 31/03/2008
Posts: 1163

Message Posted:
16/09/2009 00:40

stubbs message 180:



you seem to be wallowing in a mixture of self-doubt and smugness



it is not so much what you say which is not at all unreasonable in itself,

but why you think it is important to remind us again of an alternative viewpoint

...in other words why choose to waste your time on us?

perhaps there is sound reasoning at the back I am too thick to appreciate

Stubs


Joined: 01/07/2008
Posts: 641

Message Posted:
16/09/2009 01:02

Andre



I dont have any self doubt or indeed smuggness. Much of what I wrote has came from experience.



There are so many people who make ridiculous claims from land being exchanged legally to there being no mosques in the south. For some they choose not to have a balanced view. Over the years there have been many who have came onto boards like these and defended the TRNC and TC people to the hilt. Then they too themselves have fallen victim to some of the things which have went on there.



Some people portray that everything in the garden is rosey in the TRNC when for many it is not. There are loads of people who regret buying there for whatever reason. Very often people only get told some of the positives but none of the negative. Over the years there is no doubt that many people have bought and even moved over without doing their homework and not seeing some of the realities.

gaynorish



Joined: 29/05/2007
Posts: 74

Message Posted:
16/09/2009 01:05

So when or if in my lifetime are Greek people going to realise that Turkish people are equals? They are to me so when are you Greek people going to realise that?