Ramadan and it's effects?

halffull


Joined: 26/01/2009
Posts: 571

Message Posted:
10/09/2009 21:23

Have heard it is ramadan , how is that effecting things?

We are due out on the 20th and were hoping to complete on our appartment before the end of September, having been assured by our advocate and builder all is place just needs us and the final payments.

halffull


Joined: 26/01/2009
Posts: 571

Message Posted:
10/09/2009 22:13

Obviously no effect or has the forum shut down for Ramadan as well?

kelvin


Joined: 18/12/2008
Posts: 377

Message Posted:
10/09/2009 22:18

All the pakistanis i know here dont look well at all, lost so much weight etc, how do they do it, espically no water..

kelvin


Joined: 18/12/2008
Posts: 377

Message Posted:
10/09/2009 22:23

God my spelling..!! wrote it a couple of times and still dont know how its spelt..!



you'll just have to excuse it..

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
10/09/2009 23:56

Its a nightmare for my pakastini staff. This week will be the worst. We have had them 5 years now but each day I see they are more and more tired They do not know what they are doing. The earlier it getsin the year the harder it becomes. Most of these guys also do gardening so you can imagine how hard it is not to let a drop of water pass your lips. I asked one of them the other night for clean ashtrays. None of us could find them. Guess what he put them in the freezer. I will be glad to see it over even though I respect what they do in the name of religion xxxx

boglefan



Joined: 07/06/2009
Posts: 511

Message Posted:
11/09/2009 00:15

I respect what our Moslim bros. and sisters endure,Feast of Ede(sp) isn't too long off,but for those who have been fasting it must seem a lifetime. When Ede comes please feel proud and cleansed. I am sure water should be exempt in the heat of the day, I salute you.

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
11/09/2009 00:18

boggle so do i. Its hard enough for me to give up chocolate and crisps for lent. Water never xxxx Wine well maybe every other day xx

tonni


Joined: 07/12/2008
Posts: 178

Message Posted:
11/09/2009 02:36

and her in EASTENDERS is pregnant,,,,,,,,o.m.g. lol

MsGarnet


Joined: 04/01/2009
Posts: 989

Message Posted:
11/09/2009 04:16

I don't respect anyone suffering, when there is so much suffering in the world that is out of one's control. It is ludicrous that any human would go out of their way to intentionally suffer, and by extension, be weak, dangerous to be around when driving or caring for babies or handling machinery and so on and so forth. it proves and achieves precisely nothing. That sane rational human beings should abide by the words of books written by people thousands of years ago, never ceases to amaze me. If someone has to have Faith in their lives to feel fulfilled, fine, if it remains in the sphere of praying, but when it causes misery, is dangerous, is used to abuse and control some females, and turns some males into 'honour killing' (what an oxymoron THAT is) extremist fanatics, I am nothing but contemptuous. If anyone feels they must suffer to be deemed a worthwhile human being, ask a homeless family to share their home, give their wealth to poor people - give of themselves to others......

ataturk


Joined: 09/09/2008
Posts: 712

Message Posted:
11/09/2009 07:13

Have you ever asked a person who fasts why they fast. If you did then you will know its not for the resasons you have stated above. You have obviously been affected by the western media or had something to do with a muslim that went bad as the wording you have used above leads me to believe. I will not give the reasons here why people fast and if you have never fasted before then you will not know what and how it benefits one.



Please have a bit more respect for other peoples religion.



Thank you

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
11/09/2009 07:54

I respect your religion, ataturk, but not some of its practices - such as fasting for Ramazan, or honour killing.

Neither do I respect the taking of communion in the Christian church, or for instance, the nil contraception doctrine of the Catholic church.



We won't even go into Shariah law!

Pogle


Joined: 28/08/2008
Posts: 1536

Message Posted:
11/09/2009 18:16

Halffull

Back to your question, you wouldn't know it was Ramadan here unless you had practicing staff and I would put money on it your Cypriot constructor and lawyer do not.



Best of luck with your apartment.

ataturk


Joined: 09/09/2008
Posts: 712

Message Posted:
11/09/2009 18:53

You know all about these from watching too much cnn and sky news. It is unbelievable how people judge the muslim religion just by watching the telly or reading the tabloids. I can suggest some sites for you that will open your mind a little bit.

chinaeyes


Joined: 13/02/2009
Posts: 425

Message Posted:
11/09/2009 19:16

My lovely friend and neighbour tells me it isn't Ramadan its Ramazan over here

Pogle


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Message Posted:
11/09/2009 21:05

I haven't been watching the news I am one! Pork free 12 years now. Treesa/Trish posted a very informative thread on Ramadan earlier this month.

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11280

Message Posted:
11/09/2009 21:25

RE msg 10, ataturk: (...) Have you ever asked a person who fasts why they fast. (...)

=> Can you answer this question, ataturk: WHERE in your Holy Book, the "Koran, Quran etc" tells the Prophet, peace be on him forever, you to fast? The verse* please.



* I've read your Holy Book in four translations (not in Arab or Turkish) and have not found it. Just as I didn't find any command to women to dress in a burqua or wear a scarf.

Goonerboy


Joined: 01/04/2009
Posts: 723

Message Posted:
11/09/2009 21:44

@ DutchCrusader



Every year in the month of Ramadan, all Muslims fast from first light until sundown, abstaining from food, drink, and sexual relations. Those who are sick, elderly, or on a journey, and women who are pregnant or nursing are permitted to break the fast and make up an equal number of days later in the year. If they are physically unable to do this, they must feed a needy person for every day missed. Children begin to fast (and to observe the prayer) from puberty, although many start earlier.



Although the fast is most beneficial to the health, it is regarded principally as a method of self purification. By cutting oneself off from worldly comforts, even for a short time, a fasting person gains true sympathy with those who go hungry as well as growth in one's spiritual life.

Goonerboy


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Posts: 723

Message Posted:
11/09/2009 21:45

Verses in the Quran About Fasting



Al-Baqara (The Cow) (Arabic) - Recite



2:183 O ye who believe! Fasting is prescribed to you as it was prescribed to those before you, that ye may (learn) self-restraint,-



Al-Baqara

2:184 (Fasting) for a fixed number of days; but if any of you is ill, or on a journey, the prescribed number (Should be made up) from days later. For those who can do it (With hardship), is a ransom, the feeding of one that is indigent. But he that will give more, of his own free will,- it is better for him. And it is better for you that ye fast, if ye only knew.

Goonerboy


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Message Posted:
11/09/2009 21:48

2:185 Ramadhan is the (month) in which was sent down the Qur'an, as a guide to mankind, also clear (Signs) for guidance and judgment (Between right and wrong). So every one of you who is present (at his home) during that month should spend it in fasting, but if any one is ill, or on a journey, the prescribed period (Should be made up) by days later. Allah intends every facility for you; He does not want to put to difficulties. (He wants you) to complete the prescribed period, and to glorify Him in that He has guided you; and perchance ye shall be grateful.



Thats off a simple google search....

ataturk


Joined: 09/09/2008
Posts: 712

Message Posted:
11/09/2009 21:50

Oh you who believe, fasting is prescribed for you as it was prescribed for those before you, so that you may learn self restraint." Quran Sura 2, Aya 183.

Goonerboy


Joined: 01/04/2009
Posts: 723

Message Posted:
11/09/2009 22:36

@ Tenakoutou



I'd suggest your suspend your your subscription to the Spectator and the Daily Mail for a week lol

Treesy


Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 406

Message Posted:
12/09/2009 11:37

Salam au alaykum



there is a well written Ramadan Health Guide supported by the NHS. It highlights what type of foods to eat and the effects of fasting.



You can download it by typing 'Ramadan health guide NHS' into your search engine - sorry I dont know how to do links.



A lot of Turkish and Pakistani foods contain high levels of salt, sugar and fat which will not help! My husband is dreadful for using too much salt and not drinking enough water. So I have spent this Ramadan trying to get him to drink more water, less tea and cut his salt intake. This has helped him to keep his fast each day - despite working 12 - 15 hours a day in a hotel kitchen!



Fasting is not meant to make us suffer and if managed it should not - many Muslim countries work half days through the month of Ramadan.

It teaches self control - if you can obstain from allowed food and water for a day then you can easily obstain from forbidden foods and drink such as pork and alcohol.

Treesy


Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 406

Message Posted:
12/09/2009 11:45

cont.

I just always think of people in countries like Africa - who have to manage on very little food and water - at least I know that I will be able to break my fast with as much water and food as I need. I know when my next meal and drink will be - they don't. It reminds me of how lucky I am and how greatful I should be.



I am not fasting this year as I am pregnant - I will make up the 30 days later in the year when I feel I can. I do feel like I'm missing out by not joining my brothers and sisters in their daily fasts but mine and my baby's health are more important.



Eid Bayram- Ramadan Bayram - Sheker bayram - whatever name you know it by will start on 19th Sept for 4 days (schools shut mon and tues). On the Saturday the men get up early and go to the Mosque, then people dress up in their best clothes (lots give new clothes to the children) and go and visit neighbours, relatives etc. You may have children knock on your door and kiss your right hand before

Treesy


Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 406

Message Posted:
12/09/2009 11:49

cont.



placing it on their forehead (normally the kiss is just a touch of lips to skin - so don't worry about saliva!!!).

They will then expect sweets or money. If you notice in all the supermarkets there are big packs of sweets and chocolates out on special offer!



When greeting people you can simply say 'iyi (pronounced eee) bayramlar'



Iyi bayramlar to you all x

phylray



Joined: 21/09/2007
Posts: 1727

Message Posted:
12/09/2009 16:48

I did try fasting when working in U.A.E. although I did have a light breakfast a little later than the

required sunrise. It was not too hard and I did not feel unwell. Not all the staff in our school were

fasting (the Lebanese principal did not and was a bit worried about me!) Those that did felt closer

to each other. Fasting exists in other religions too, and I have known HIndu women to fast in the hope

of a healthy, long life for their husbands! Didn't Christians used to fast? I know we were asked to give

up something for Lent when we were children.

You are supposed to think about the people who go hungry in the world. You should also abstain from

sex I was told. Women who are pregnant, or menstruating are not expected to do it, or anyone who

has health problems.

halffull


Joined: 26/01/2009
Posts: 571

Message Posted:
12/09/2009 18:23

Thank you for all the information on Ramadan (the reasons and implications I was well aware of and have no problem with thank you as was mentioned the Christian faith is supposed to observe Lent which originally was simular)

Having never been to TRNC during Ramadan before I just wondered what effect it would have on the business community and the chances of getting the process of completing the purchase of our appartment.

The reason for my concern was my builder told me he would have to arrange the get the water tanks filled or he wouldn't be able to do it until the 24th after Ramadan.

Treesy


Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 406

Message Posted:
12/09/2009 18:28

Halfful



I doubt there would be a huge impact on the business community here.



The only impact is that from the 19th - 22nd is a national holiday (like Christmas in the UK) some businesses may take an extra day or two holiday afterwards.



Your builder may simply be visiting family for a few days and not be back until the 24th.



I'm sure all will be open again by the end of the week and you will complete in time, InshAllah.



Good luck.



T

IvorBankloan



Joined: 14/08/2009
Posts: 179

Message Posted:
12/09/2009 18:59

No joke

our Indian maid get's up at 3am to eat so that she and her family don't eat or drink in daylight hours.

Thats why she has a banging headache - Dehydraition in 35 degrees

Goonerboy


Joined: 01/04/2009
Posts: 723

Message Posted:
12/09/2009 22:08

Your concern for your indian maids health is touching.

Why not go easy on her for the remaining week or so thats left b4 the end of fasting lol.

westender


Joined: 14/05/2009
Posts: 328

Message Posted:
12/09/2009 22:21

I work with an Algerian Muslim (lovely guy), he's lost some weight and is starting to get very ratty, we are all treating him with kid gloves and longing for Ramadan to end!

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
13/09/2009 00:47

We al go easy on our staff We respect thier views and religions. But I have to say how many of us observe LENT

islandgirl


Joined: 12/09/2009
Posts: 302

Message Posted:
13/09/2009 10:28

Exactly Lilli. I give them my respect, it shows their devotion to their religion, westerners largely pay pay lip service to theirs.



How many muslim staff do you have Lilli? Do they find it hard to work with no sustainence during the day?

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
13/09/2009 10:51

Goonerboy: I've never heard of those UK newspapers?



Before telling me what to do, get your 'human rights' sorted in your own society - and try to treat women with more consideration.

ataturk


Joined: 09/09/2008
Posts: 712

Message Posted:
13/09/2009 12:59

Message 33 You are again speaking from a western perspective, if you want to talk about human rights lets talk about the illegal invasion of iraq and afghanistan to name but a few not forgetting Guantamo Bay. Britain and the us have been guilty of far more than any other nation in the world.



I suggest watching films such as Bowling for Columbine, Fahrenheit 9/11, 7/7 the ripple effect, 9/11 the greatest lie ever told.



Most if not all of these films were made by amercian and british nationals no muslims involved. You have to have an open mind when watching these films and not be blinded by the likes of cnn and sky news.



Happy viewing

Goonerboy


Joined: 01/04/2009
Posts: 723

Message Posted:
13/09/2009 13:57

@ messg 33



Never come across The Daily Mail, you surprise me, nevertheless I'll take your word for it.



"get your 'human rights' sorted in your own society - and try to treat women with more consideration"



I'm a born and bred Londoner, so my society would infact incombus the UK. No problems there as far as I'm aware with respect to Humun Rights abuses, unless you know otherwise?



Another suggesstion, refrain from making assumtions. They're not doing you any favours.

At no point have I expressed what my faith is within this thread.



If you have issues with the muslim faith, I'd suggest you board the next plane and leave.

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
13/09/2009 14:11

Goonerboy - and you don't have issues with people like Saddam Hussein, Aminajad, Gadaffi, Bin Laden, Shariah Law, to name just a few?



Let's give this a rest, cos it'll get us precisely nowhere!

halffull


Joined: 26/01/2009
Posts: 571

Message Posted:
13/09/2009 15:52

Sorry I asked a straight forward question, and thank you to those who gave me a sensible answer. As to those who turnered it into a religious issue, get lost.

IvorBankloan



Joined: 14/08/2009
Posts: 179

Message Posted:
20/09/2009 13:22

Eid Mubarak.

Ramadam is over it is now Eid - still no-one working but the daft bloke from North Wales

Vidal


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Posts: 867

Message Posted:
20/09/2009 22:59

And the Indian Maid?

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
20/09/2009 23:11

Hiya girl Im so sorry only just seen your msg. We have 3 and its so hard. However we understand sent them home when they need to go. I have had these boys 5 years and each year has become harder.Im an Irish catolic and as such Lent is imporant but we choose what we give up. Sorry mst to NO 32 xxxxx

Moover321


Joined: 11/04/2009
Posts: 649

Message Posted:
21/09/2009 16:30

The degree of ignorance about Islam never ceases to amaze me!



So much ignorance and yet so many opinions based on hearsay, Sky, CNN and of course the Daily Mail / Express etc.



If those like MsGarnet and Tenakoutou to name but two had even taken the most basic steps to investigate Islam before making such outrageous and ill-informed comment then this forum would be a better place.



'Honour Killings' is NOT an Islamic tenet - if anything it is cultural.



The status of women in Islam is one of honour and equality. Please do not confuse how some who claim to be Muslims behave and what the religion actually states.



Fasting has great health benefits as well as giving an appreciation for what it means to go without - don't take my word for it - research it and find out for yourself.



I know for some on this forum 'having a go at Muslims and or Islam' is a kind of sport - well, you would do better to educate yourselves about the religion before making crass statements!

boglefan



Joined: 07/06/2009
Posts: 511

Message Posted:
21/09/2009 23:07

I do not profess to be knowledgable in the moslim religion although my family and a moslim family were very close as I grew up. I realised that Ramadan was their special time and when it was the Feast of Eid we were invited to share this with them, and when it was Christmas they shared this time with us. My grandmother was more than willing to cook extra things that were suitable for our very special extended family (I called Mr Azam Uncle Ali, and as a child was treated and spoiled by them as if I was their own).

It has upset me to see the way this thread has gone.

As Dave Allen used to say 'May YOUR God go with you'.

Happy Eid and my congratulations to my Moslim brothers and sisters.



I know capital letters should not be used but I hope this will be forgiven in this instance.

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
22/09/2009 09:59

Mover321/Msg 41:



'If those like MsGarnet and Tenakoutou to name but two had even taken the most basic steps to investigate Islam before making such outrageous and ill-informed comment then this forum would be a better place'



You have obviously been hopelessly indoctrinated and you assume too much!



Just get on with your life and I'll get on with mine - irreligiously, but hopefully as a morally upstanding member of society.



In my humble opinion, Kemal Ataturk's aspirations for a secular state and society were admirable - what a pity that, in practicality, his ideals are being eroded by an increasingly radical 'element'.

IvorBankloan



Joined: 14/08/2009
Posts: 179

Message Posted:
25/09/2009 13:05

Re msg 39

nope the maid took the week off as did everyone in the office except the daft blokes from Wales, Stafford and Berlin.

The rules were ( and that laid down by Sheikh Mohamed when Eid is declared )

public sector Sun, Mon, Tues off

private sector Sun, Mon off but still no-one showd up for a week - every cloud has a silver lining the roads were quiet

|n case anyone dosn't know, unlike Christmas Eid is not on the same day each year, they have to wait to see the moon and call the holiday based on the moon. Some times we don't know which days will be holiday until the night before.

MsGarnet


Joined: 04/01/2009
Posts: 989

Message Posted:
26/09/2009 03:20

I don't need to put my hand in boiling oil, to know I will be burnt; I don't need to starve, becoming weak and a possible danger to myself and others to know being deprived of sustenance is an unconscionable state to be in. Those in permanently straitened circumstances don't starve all day, yet eat and drink at night, so it is a pointless, disingenuous exercise. Having lived/worked in Moslem countries most of my adult life, and having a child with my Moslem partner as well as having read the Qu'ran - It is acknowledged there are more extremists, insurgents and polemecists et cetera in the Islamic world, than moderates, and that the Qu'ran is hopelessly open to dangerous interpretation. Not least, what other Faith demands the death of an appostate? to name but one abhorrent tenet. I am entitled to my view, as is everyone else. I'm a principled person and I believe in gender equality, the Qu'ran doesn't. I am not going to debate with a person who has 'tunnel vision' and a closed mind