Landlord! Huge Kib Tek bill? Never again!

TRNCVaughan


Joined: 27/04/2008
Posts: 4578

Message Posted:
12/09/2009 16:31

Electricty bills for July and August will have no doubt shocked a few people, especially those who rent out their property to holiday makers. If you don't want a repeat of this next year, contact me on vaughan@sunnycyprus.net

TRNCVaughan


Joined: 27/04/2008
Posts: 4578

Message Posted:
14/09/2009 08:48

These meters can now be seen in Octopus Pools office in Girne.

elko2



Joined: 24/07/2007
Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
14/09/2009 08:58

Very good idea Vaughan. How much does it cost to buy and install them and what is the rating i.e. how many amperes?

ismet

http://www.elkocyprus.com

TRNCVaughan


Joined: 27/04/2008
Posts: 4578

Message Posted:
14/09/2009 09:30

These meters cost 300 pounds, supplied and fitted. Usually only 1 is needed per villa/appt. These meters can handle up to 100Amperes, i.e. more than enough. We can either run the a/c and/or water heaters through the meter or the whole property. We have recently fitted 10 of these meters and the owners are very pleased with them. Payback time can be one month in summer.

Quarmby


Joined: 15/09/2008
Posts: 975

Message Posted:
14/09/2009 11:57

Vaughan



are these pre payment type meters?

stockiefan


Joined: 04/05/2009
Posts: 574

Message Posted:
14/09/2009 12:42

Vaughan,

Can you please explain how these work as apposed to an ordinary meter, for a guy who knows nothing about meters?

TRNCVaughan


Joined: 27/04/2008
Posts: 4578

Message Posted:
14/09/2009 12:52

Quarmby,



Yes.



Stockiefan,



Please contact me on vaughan@sunnycyprus.net and I will let you have more details.

Mindy



Joined: 27/10/2008
Posts: 1210

Message Posted:
14/09/2009 14:10

Why is the cost 300 pounds for one of these meters, it seems very high to me?

How much do you buy them in for?

How long does it take to fit?

Where are these meters made?

How much profit is made per meter?

Hope you don't mind answering my questions, just very interested.

Garythegeezer


Joined: 05/02/2007
Posts: 102

Message Posted:
14/09/2009 14:28

Mindy,

Why would Vaughan want to tell you such commercially sensitive information?



You would'nt go into McDonalds for a burger and expect such information to be forth coming.



Are you the tax man in disguise

TRNCVaughan


Joined: 27/04/2008
Posts: 4578

Message Posted:
14/09/2009 14:51

Mindy,



If you went into a shop to buy something and asked the same questions, what do you think the answers would be?



I am interested in your comment "Why is the cost 300 pounds for one of these meters, it seems very high to me?"

On what do you base this "feeling"?



I believe that you can pay Kib Tek about 500TL or 200 pounds (I stand to be corrected) for a mains meter that won't ever belong to you. Doesn't this seem high to you? If so, doesn't it make my meters seem very competitive?

tamand


Joined: 23/07/2009
Posts: 240

Message Posted:
14/09/2009 16:27

May I dare to suggest that you can buy these with very little research on the net for around £90 / £120 and I am sure if you cant fit them yourself there are plenty of qualified people like Elko who could do it for under £50

Mindy



Joined: 27/10/2008
Posts: 1210

Message Posted:
14/09/2009 16:41

Ok then TRNC Vaughn, why won't you say how long it takes to fit these meters. If your hourly charge for fitting was say 15 pound per hour, say it takes 2 hours, am I right in thinking the meters cost at least 150 pounds to buy wholesale including import tax. Even less if the above poster is right and you can get online for 90 pounds. Good profit to be made I think...

renelapin



Joined: 19/05/2007
Posts: 136

Message Posted:
14/09/2009 18:47

Can Vaughn live by making loss ?

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
14/09/2009 18:50

Mindy ..its called business TRNC style...

viper


Joined: 14/07/2008
Posts: 119

Message Posted:
14/09/2009 18:54

Mindy you do NOT have to buy one ....



viper

elko2



Joined: 24/07/2007
Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
14/09/2009 19:32

msg.11

Tamand wrote:

"May I dare to suggest that you can buy these with very little research on the net for around £90 / £120 and I am sure if you cant fit them yourself there are plenty of qualified people like Elko who could do it for under £50"



I would not and who said that I am qualified to do that sort of work? I cannot draw a straight line on paper and even less chance to fix a wire straight on the wall. If you don't believe me, ask my misus or Monger's misus for that matter



On a serious note, prices are always a matter of supply and demand. There are also lots of hidden costs and sometimes you have to make a good profit to cover your losses on another item. You are not going to pay Vaughan 300 pounds if you can find it for say 200 pounds elsewhere. Would you buy it from him if he proves it to you that it cost him 250 pounds? Of course not, you look for best price to buy and he will look for best profit. Its a deal when the two sides meet.

ismet

Mindy



Joined: 27/10/2008
Posts: 1210

Message Posted:
14/09/2009 21:15

viper

NO I do not have to buy one, all I can think is people have money to burn if they think this is a good deal.

I thought we had a global recession.... silly me.

TRNCVaughan


Joined: 27/04/2008
Posts: 4578

Message Posted:
15/09/2009 08:42

Mindy,



Perhaps you might like to tell us about your background? Were you ever in business? If so, didn't you have overheads like an office, electricity, rates, phones, vehicles, etc? Do you understand the difference between gross and nett profit?

As to whether people have money to burn, they need only look at their electricity bills after guests have stayed. My meter can pay for itself in a month during summer, so I think it IS a good deal.

Jimmyboy63


Joined: 16/03/2009
Posts: 400

Message Posted:
15/09/2009 12:51

Hi Vaughan



how much are the metres to buy from you without installation



Jim

TRNCVaughan


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Posts: 4578

Message Posted:
15/09/2009 14:14

Hi jimmyboy63,



We don't sell them without installation/programming as we carry the 3 year year warranty.

silverfox1


Joined: 07/06/2009
Posts: 125

Message Posted:
15/09/2009 15:00

Vaughan,

Why are you so pompous, discourteous and demening to other people on this board especially as you treat it as an extension to your own business which surely should not be allowed?

viper


Joined: 14/07/2008
Posts: 119

Message Posted:
15/09/2009 15:07

Mindy



For some people it might be worth the investment if they rent out their property and get very large electricity bills and for others who only use their property as a holiday home or like lots of people use their electrict sparingly then it would take a long time to recoup their outlay,so not such a good purchase.



My msg was not to offend you but just state the obvious..if you like it you buy it, if not you do not.



I have no connection with TRNCVaughan's business.



viper

Serkan


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 75

Message Posted:
15/09/2009 15:13

these meters, are they approved by officials?

kibsolar


Joined: 14/09/2008
Posts: 552

Message Posted:
15/09/2009 15:37

re mess 21, silverfox: I cannot see that vaughan is "pompous, discourteous and demening to other people on this board" serious.

To this discussion:

I think others should be silent until THEY can offer a competative product for the same price with the same service and quality, as a REGISTERED TRNC comp. To search something on the internet is not a valid argument.

On this board, there is lots of helpfull info, but also lots of "wrong guidance" These "shouters" mostly dont have a "clue" whats going on, how business cost are etc... If they think, that something is to costy, they complain an call it: "TRNC style business.." This is rude and puts all, who are not offereing the "cheapest crap for non profit" into the same box as "cheaters, betrayers, greedy" But this is not true. Nobody forces you to buy any of the offered products here. But if you do so, be sure that you get the best service and quality, as we all have a reputation which can be lost easily on such forums.

kibsolar


Joined: 14/09/2008
Posts: 552

Message Posted:
15/09/2009 15:46

cont: to search somehing on the net is easy, you will find the chaepest offered product. But, now, you need to get it here, - As we are not smuggeling you have following costs and need official papers: You need to get you permissions from the electrical board, import licence for your company, pay your taxes, your duties, stopaj, GKK payı and more hidden cost, such as cusoms clearance and touchdown money for Ercan airport. THY also charges something but I dont know what its called. So, now you must pay your staff, your company expenses, cars, fuel, office etc etc.. do I need to count more? If you sell stuff on the internet you can cut lots of these cost, and in other countries you dont have most of these cost. So, please stop comparing items found on the net with items sold in TRNC. Find the same one in TRNC and post the price, this would be a realistic comparisson! - not the untis sold in Timbuktu / big onlinestore with nearly no running costs in the states / china / where ever...

TRNCVaughan


Joined: 27/04/2008
Posts: 4578

Message Posted:
15/09/2009 15:49

silverfox,



msg 21



Please show me an example of where I have been:

"pompous, discourteous and demening to other people on this board"

and I will apologise.



There is a problem with high electricity costs in TRNC. People rent out property and are rewarded by big bills. This effects their bottom line. I have a solution to this situation which I am offering to people. I am not in the business of justifying the breakdown of my charges - any more than any other business would.

daisy dukes


Joined: 06/09/2008
Posts: 3815

Message Posted:
15/09/2009 15:52

Well said Kibsolar...i for one didn't see anything bad written by Vaughan...perhaps these people should simply stop trying to make trouble for people trying to earn an honest crust, and get a life!!





DD

scoobydoo


Joined: 10/11/2008
Posts: 2434

Message Posted:
15/09/2009 17:21

I agree with you daisy dukes and kibsolar.



I have only ever seen TRNC Vaughan as being helpful, okay he has a business to run but he has always provided good sound advice and support on this forum and generally for free, oh ..... how everyone forgets that!

karakum5c



Joined: 18/03/2008
Posts: 1021

Message Posted:
15/09/2009 17:46

If you want a cowboy job employ a cowboy!





Sometimes its better to pay a little bit extra to people like TRNC vaughan for a professional job.

Rogerdoger


Joined: 04/09/2008
Posts: 102

Message Posted:
15/09/2009 18:33

TRNC,



Please contact me off board about this product and costs



many thanks RD

cyprusairsoft



Joined: 22/06/2009
Posts: 2066

Message Posted:
15/09/2009 18:35

we love vaughany

stockiefan


Joined: 04/05/2009
Posts: 574

Message Posted:
15/09/2009 20:55

Vaughan wrote to me the same day explaining how the meters work. Very honest and relaible info, thanks Vaughan, not for me at this time but thanks for taking the time to explain. Why do people think there is a hidden agenda here????

chezzi


Joined: 12/03/2009
Posts: 162

Message Posted:
15/09/2009 21:50

I had meters fitted to my A/C's in May this year and they have certainly reduced my leccie bills to a more acceptable figure. Stops people leaving them on 24/7 even when not in the villa, otherwise they have to pay for it themsleves!

C

girne 29


Joined: 06/12/2007
Posts: 1488

Message Posted:
15/09/2009 23:48

Sorry

I am lost, how do meters save you money as opposed to telling how many KW/Hrs used. Dont want any trade secrets

Vaughan,just what it does,its obviously more than a meter.

Smity



Joined: 14/09/2009
Posts: 826

Message Posted:
16/09/2009 00:10

If yoy rent why not fit a card meter.you supply a cards worth say £20,00 each to your letee and you set the tarrif on the meter so as you make as much as 15% they hand back any cards they dont use you give them a refund but at least they have paid for the electric they have used and your not out of pocket. if you need any further info contact me on +447831110606



mike

TRNCVaughan


Joined: 27/04/2008
Posts: 4578

Message Posted:
16/09/2009 08:54

girne 29



Please contact me on

vaughan@sunnycyprus.net

and all will be explained.

TRNCVaughan


Joined: 27/04/2008
Posts: 4578

Message Posted:
16/09/2009 15:16

Smity,



"...you set the tarrif on the meter so as you make as much as 15%..."



There is no suggestion that anyone should make any profit in re-selling electricity. Indeed, in the UK there are strict rules about that. The idea here is only to help the landlord cover some of his costs, particularly the big bills which they could face after unrestricted use of a/c by holiday let tenants.

zerochlor


Joined: 03/04/2009
Posts: 4024

Message Posted:
16/09/2009 15:32

Message 21



seems silverfox has gone back down his hole,maybe where he belongs!





pompous, discourteous and demening to other people on this board"



hmm ,some people are a very bad judge of character Vaughan.

Lambousa Gordon


Joined: 03/11/2007
Posts: 1992

Message Posted:
16/09/2009 15:46

Re msg 37:



One would still need to take into account the VAT on electricity and the standing charge ("maktu ucret") on the bills. Also, a fair balance between the different tariffs.

TRNCVaughan


Joined: 27/04/2008
Posts: 4578

Message Posted:
16/09/2009 19:54

I can programme the meter for any tariff including multiple tariffs similar to Kib Teks and include VAT and standing charges. These meters would be ideal for hotels with annexes Gordon.

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
16/09/2009 22:13

vaughan



i am interested in your product ,i will be in touch nearer the time .







musin

TRNCVaughan


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Posts: 4578

Message Posted:
17/09/2009 12:45

musin,



Thanks for your interest. I look forward to hearing from you in the future.

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11280

Message Posted:
17/09/2009 22:03

I bought an inline meter for 50 Euros. Once a month I check (when the elctricity bill has arived) how many units the pool has used x 0.30 TL. Divided by 4 for the four owners of the communal pool.



Wouldn't such a meter be a cheaper way to control excessive use of electricity?

TRNCVaughan


Joined: 27/04/2008
Posts: 4578

Message Posted:
18/09/2009 08:59

Hi DC,



The meter you have is known as a check meter. This is just for "checking" the electricity company (Kib Tek) meter or for metering an individual circuit, in your case a pool pump. It does not control how much electricity is used nor does it collect any money to pay the bill with.



The idea of a credit pre-payment meter is it enables a pay-as-you-go way of using a/c. Compare it to a mobile phone - if you had a guest who wanted a phone for a week or two, would you lend him a contract phone or a pay-as-you-go phone? With a contract phone he could run up a huge bill which you would get at the end of the month. With a pay-as-you-go phone he can make as many calls as he likes and he pays for them, not you.

Tiggy


Joined: 25/07/2007
Posts: 1994

Message Posted:
18/09/2009 10:02

Vaughan,



Your offer seems a good one and will save landlords a lot of money over time. It will make users more careful when having to pay for what they use.



It seems so sad one can not offer a product without some chump asking daft question and in my opinion being rude to you. If you offered the whole package for £5 someone would still ask you t o justify it, where you get your goods from and are you paying TAX!



Good luck mate.

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11280

Message Posted:
18/09/2009 10:34

RE msg 44, Vaughan: Thanks Vaughan, for your clear explanation! Good luck selling your meters. And don't worry what someone in this thread may say - whatever you do in TRNC you'll get some nasty remarks.

TRNCVaughan


Joined: 27/04/2008
Posts: 4578

Message Posted:
19/09/2009 09:04

Hi Tiggy and DC,



Thanks for your support.

We know this is a good product which does exactly what it says on the tin.

It is a shame that some folks always try to look for the downside of things, but on this occasion we have more supporters than detractors.

Enrico


Joined: 07/12/2008
Posts: 209

Message Posted:
19/09/2009 15:40

to trnc vaughan,



I am interested could you please contact me at a.d.ross@btinternet.com



Regards,



Alan Ross.

TRNCVaughan


Joined: 27/04/2008
Posts: 4578

Message Posted:
20/09/2009 09:05

Hi Alan,



e-mail sent.

TRNCVaughan


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Posts: 4578

Message Posted:
22/09/2009 13:15

These meters and cards can now be supplied via several property managers/villa rental companies. If yours isn't on our list, get them to contact me on 0533 845 8494.

dav88



Joined: 01/08/2008
Posts: 605

Message Posted:
22/09/2009 14:02

Sounds fabulous! now i just need a villa to put it in!

TRNCVaughan


Joined: 27/04/2008
Posts: 4578

Message Posted:
22/09/2009 20:46

When you get one, if you rent it out you'll need one.