Where is MY exchange land?

pinkchilli


Joined: 30/11/2008
Posts: 689

Message Posted:
12/09/2009 22:52

I've got a donum of exchange land. I bought it off a TC called Mehmet.



Mehmet was given it in exchange for 1 donum in Larnaca.



As Mehmet sold me his exchanged land, I want the deeds to his land at Larnaca. He can't be given exchange land, then sell it, AND KEEP his land in Larnaca. It's mine.



If and when there's a solution, I may have to give up the exchange land up here. Fair enough. BUT, I want the land in Larnaca. So, whislt I'm waiting, I want MY NAME on the deeds for the land in Larnaca.



Mehmet cannot have it. He sold it.



Now, if this argument is taken a law, this will kick start the property boom in the North. Land in the North will double overnight. There will be an immediate shortage of land in the North. The Government can sell all the land, not yet given to hoteliers, ministers, etc. They will then have enough funds to keep all the civil servants, and other important citizens, in a style like they could only dream about.



Simples.

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2918

Message Posted:
12/09/2009 22:56

Like the theory behind that, must run out and buy some exchange land as soon as possible

pinkchilli


Joined: 30/11/2008
Posts: 689

Message Posted:
12/09/2009 23:01

I've got 1 donum for sale.

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2918

Message Posted:
12/09/2009 23:05

I don't like Larnaca, too near all the foreigners

burty1987


Joined: 21/07/2009
Posts: 79

Message Posted:
12/09/2009 23:07

I really like the theory behind that, I really do, but it won't work.



The only winner there is "Mehmet".



He has sold his land in the North, (which was given to him in exchange for giving up his rights to his Larnaka land) AND THEN go and sell his land in the South.



The only losers are the ones buying exchange land....

billyboy1


Joined: 01/06/2009
Posts: 590

Message Posted:
13/09/2009 00:40

What happens if mehmet only got exchange land for some of his land in the south....and he still has deeds for land that has not been exchanged?

LondonCypriot


Joined: 15/12/2008
Posts: 426

Message Posted:
13/09/2009 01:17

It seems there will noty be an solution to the Cyprus problem. The South Administration isisit on an single personality and even if the leaders agreed to an solution there extreamlist of the Greek Cypriot would would work so hard to reject the referendum.

frontalman



Joined: 28/02/2008
Posts: 499

Message Posted:
13/09/2009 08:50

The word 'exchange' is incorrect. The Turkish word esdeger (accents omitted) means equivalence. In other words the receiver of esdeger land was given an equivalent (or thereabouts) amount of land here in the North to compensate for the loss of land in the South. The idea of there having been some kind of agreed exchange is nonsense.

pinkchilli


Joined: 30/11/2008
Posts: 689

Message Posted:
13/09/2009 09:02

If a solution demanded that all land be returned to its original owner, then that land could be sold, there is no way Mehmet could sell his land in Larnaca, without FIRST giving up his exchanged land where I live.



Therefore, for me to give up my land, I would want to be financially compensated by Mehmet.



His land in Larnaca would be worth much more than my land, so I do not see any problem.



For example, lets say my land, which I paid £40,000 is worth £80,000 after a solution. Mehmets land in Larnaca is also worth £80,000 (before and after a solution).



Mehmet gets £80,000 and gives me £40,000 (what he sold it to me for). I pay the original Greek Cypriot £40,000.



So, The Greek Cypriot, Andreas, gets £40,000. He's happy. Mehmet gets £80,000, and gives me £40,000, (of which I gave Andreas £40,000) I have not benefitted financially, but my land is worth more. Andreas gets the agreed value and Mehmet gets £40,000. He would have got £80,000, but as he had sold it to me for

pinkchilli


Joined: 30/11/2008
Posts: 689

Message Posted:
13/09/2009 09:03

Continued...



£40,000, he doesn't get it all.



Simples.

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
13/09/2009 11:02

Juggle the figures as much as you like - let's wait for the Orams case outcome!

pinkchilli


Joined: 30/11/2008
Posts: 689

Message Posted:
13/09/2009 11:55

Tenakoutou.



At the end of the day, most of us have bought land from TC's who did not have the legal right to sell it. Most of us believed that there would never be a solution, and many still do.



The Orams case, will not have any bearing on the land which is still owned by the TC (in the South). If the Orams lose, they should be able to pursue the TC who sold them land that was not his.



He, the TC, should give up his land in the South to the Orams'.



The TC, was given equivelent (to quote Frontalman), if his Government then allowed him to sell it, they should bear ALL the brunt of what the new owners, us, may lose. The TC cannot gain, as he sold his "equivelent piece of land".



Personally, I believe, using my scenario above, there will not be any losers, simply because, land in the South is worth more than land in the North.

Aussie


Joined: 17/06/2007
Posts: 657

Message Posted:
13/09/2009 12:23

The problem with trying to break this down individually as I understand it was the Esdeger/ Exchange system was pretty imperfect.



Some gave up a lot more than they got in exchange in the North and there were incidences of fraudulent and exaggerated claims of the extent of land ownership in the South to get more in exchange points in the North etc.



Whilst in aggregate the position may be reasonable in individual cases things would vary substantially.



Aussie

Stubs


Joined: 01/07/2008
Posts: 641

Message Posted:
13/09/2009 15:56

Pinkchilli



I like your theory but you can bet your boots Mehmet wont have the £40 grand. His assets will be transferred into a family members name and he will have nothing. The big car he drives will be registered to someone else, his big house will be in someone elses name and the ATM card for the bank account he uses will yip you may have guessed by now, will be in someone elses name!!!!

pinkchilli


Joined: 30/11/2008
Posts: 689

Message Posted:
13/09/2009 17:01

OK Stubbs.



So, Mehmet is CREDITED with £80k, Andreas is credited with £40k, I am credited with £40k from Mehmet.



Now, Mehmet is + £80k but - £40k to me, so he actually receives £40k. Andreas Gets £40k (from my £40k. I get nothing, apart from an Internationally recognised title deed, and an increase in my land value of £40k.



Now Mehmet can put his assets into his daughters name. I will then pay the most handsome, eligible batchelor to woo her, then take her £40k!!! Less of course any costs.



Now, where will that leave Mehmet?

roisin


Joined: 19/03/2009
Posts: 358

Message Posted:
13/09/2009 17:52

We were told that the cypriots who were given esder land here had to give their land "deeds" from the South to the TRNC government

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
13/09/2009 17:57

Hi all the difference is that land given in the north is freehold. Land given south is leasehold. So they cant sell anyway. nice one pink. makes you think though xx

LondonCypriot


Joined: 15/12/2008
Posts: 426

Message Posted:
13/09/2009 20:08

But how about the European Courts to fix these problems. I am sure the Greek Cypriot owner would then start taking legal proceedings against Mehmet and then there would be an enforcement

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
13/09/2009 20:52

SO,in reality,could we say that:

If the Greeks were not allowed in to EU,you'd have had none of these problems that you are having today?

OR;

you could look at the situation from different angle;

In TRNC,people have been given TITLE DEEDS,whilst Greeks have got LEASEHOLDs,

Does that not make it obvious WHO WANTS WHAT!



We are HAPPY where we are,THEY ARE NOT!

as for usual,THEY WANT IT ALL.







PS.Give up your EU citizenship rights and all problems will be solved.(another theory)

Stubs


Joined: 01/07/2008
Posts: 641

Message Posted:
14/09/2009 15:10

Pinkchilli



What makes you think that Andreas, the GC, will want to sell you his land which you stated would be worth £80k for the measly sum of £40k?



Lets supposing he transfers his assets to his mums name will your batchelor still be interested ;-)

Garythegeezer


Joined: 05/02/2007
Posts: 102

Message Posted:
14/09/2009 15:59

My brain hurts !