Don't bother - this pup will die today. TODAY

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
15/09/2009 23:03

Have a nice breakfast, expats! No, sorry , I mean YOU. YOU!!. Enjoy your coffee, orange juice, toast, read your book on the terrace of your fine big house with this fine large garden. What would you care - this little dog (not much more than a puppy) will die today. Today. No kidding. "Put to sleep". "Euthanasia" - the pup gets killed, because nobody has a heart big enough to shelter him.

http://www.allcrusades.com/BB_pics/puppy_no_name_to_die.jpg

Lilli



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Message Posted:
15/09/2009 23:13

Hans thank you my friend I have found a good home please contact me xxx

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
15/09/2009 23:17

Lilly, does this mean I have to stop thinking about this puppy? Good!! Thank you, whoever did it. I'll hear it tomorrow. Played chess today against Guido, bl**dy lost again! What a day! Good night all!

Jeannie


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Message Posted:
15/09/2009 23:17

Hans, my friend, I know exactly what you are saying here. It is heartbreaking. But, the simple truth is that there are too many dogs to be re-homed in TRNC. There are too many dogs in the UK and, no doubt, in many other parts of Europe, to be re-homed.



Far better for this little one to be euthanised than end up wandering the streets, scrounging for food, being ill-treated/poisoned.



Unfortunately, this will perpetuate - more and more dogs and less and less compassionate people to home them.



With the best will in the world, you cannot home all unwanted animals - I only wish you could. I have had animals since I was 11 years old and they have (dogs and cats) always been strays or from animal shelters.



If I knew the answer, Hans, I would be in for a fortune (all, of course, to start up Liz & my animal shelter)



With warm regards.



Jean

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
15/09/2009 23:21

RE msg 4, Jeannie: (...) Far better for this little one to be euthanised than end up wandering the streets, scrounging for food, being ill-treated/poisoned. (...)

=> You are absolutely right, Jeannie, but I don't give up without a fight.

Lilli



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Message Posted:
15/09/2009 23:25

dC THANK god for you Thank you , Jeannie keep playing the lotto these cost me a fortune. DC thank you for fighting as I said today I agree with your principle but I also sais any life is worth saving xxx Thank you xxxxx

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
15/09/2009 23:31

Can *YOU* do it?

http://www.allcrusades.com/BB_pics/puppy_no_name_to_die_2.jpg

Jeannie


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Message Posted:
15/09/2009 23:31

Hans - I know. And I hope I didn't sound heartless. I am (we are, in fact) far too soft (some might say) when it comes to animals. We have some heartbreaking tales to tell about animals we've helped/cared for/taken in over the years, both here in the UK and abroad.



Good luck with the pup - he/she is adorable.



With warm regards.



Jean

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
15/09/2009 23:36

Jeannie, this great "Lady Lilly" did it again. And we all help her where possible. It may not be English but in Holland we say: "End good, all good!" I hope this makes sense.

Jeannie


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Message Posted:
15/09/2009 23:43

Hans I can't believe our Liz has done it again!



I think the English translation may be "All's well that ends well".



I, too, hope this makes sense!



Jeannie

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
15/09/2009 23:49

RE msg 10, Jeannie: (...) I think the English translation may be "All's well that ends well" (...)

=> I KNEW it - you bl**dy Brits always know best... Good night, Jeannie (and Paul!).

paddywack


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Message Posted:
16/09/2009 00:14

C`mon guys, lets not bicker about transalation,the great news is the pup now has a home.

Lilli



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Message Posted:
16/09/2009 00:29

and what a good one she will be so happy. I am over the moon. To date now 14 dogs placed 3 cats. I am over the moon. This little one has given me sleepless nights. Tottie picked upSasha from Maria today I am so overjoyed. I have done my bit now. yo any its Max and well maybe Oscar the cat. would any one adopted me please xxxxxxxxxxxxx

BigMart


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Message Posted:
16/09/2009 00:35

Hans,



I know we have crossed swords before, but I think you spend far too much effort slagging British ex-pats off.



We can only rehouse so many pups, kittens etc. as there is a cost implication, I for one live on a very tight budget. i don't know your personal financial situation, so don't try and guess mine !



I think euthanesia (death) might be preferable to the situation I found a puppy in last Thursday night, all alone on the kayalar mountain road, with sores on her joints and a large wound on her head, she was lucky i found her, otherwise she would have been wandering around the mountains untill she died.



If you doubt me ask Lilli. If you would like to meet me so you can slag me off to my face, please feel free.

Lilli



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Message Posted:
16/09/2009 00:40

I thank you all for your help. You know me I never give up. I thank you all espically DC and if i have spelt it incorrectly then i am so sorry . We had a bottle of wine to chin chin barbies new home .so please forgive me. im just so happy. Now onto the rest xxxxxxxxxxxx

Bowman


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Message Posted:
16/09/2009 00:41

Why dont you take the dog then DC...............

bar8.8


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Message Posted:
16/09/2009 00:46

as the new proud owners of Barbie we await her arrival tomorrow night to our home

we already have a 4 year old Cypriot pointer and a 7 week old English Setter, let ME hope this is our last addition to the family



Lilli.........no more photos to be shown to H please! He simply could not say no to those eyes



Great meal, lovely and relaxing night



Thank you and sweet dreams to you both



Sabena xxxxxx

Lilli



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Message Posted:
16/09/2009 00:47

bwman like us all he has his own. . The reason Dc was involved I could not post the picture. He very kindly did it for me> It worked. DC has known about my plight and has supported me all the way. even to bringing leads and food to me. Sorry DC xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

guidosp1


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Message Posted:
16/09/2009 01:20

sabena thank you for your company tonight and see you very soon. good night.

guido

gillken


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Message Posted:
16/09/2009 09:19

I am a little baffled "Dutch Crusader"

Just read this thread after the pup was re-homed, by someone whom has a big heart. But may I ask "you" Dutch crusader, why didn't YOU keep the pup if you felt so strongly.

It comes across as if "you" are attempting to lay a guilt trip on others!! Sit up and be counted!!

How many dogs do "YOU" have, just curious.....?

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
16/09/2009 09:25

RE msg 12, paddywack: (...) C`mon guys, lets not bicker about transalation,the great news is the pup now has a home. (...)

=> Paddywack, it was not bickering - I'm sure Jeannie understood my words the way they were meant.



RE msg 14, BigMart: (...) I know we have crossed swords before, but I think you spend far too much effort slagging British ex-pats off. (...)

=> BigMart, the message nr 1 was not meant to slag off anyone. Really. I only knew the pup didn't have much time left, so I tried a shocking text instead of the usual soft words. And I do agree that the problem cannot be solved by some successes on this board. Euthanasia is the only answer to the big problem - you are right. But in the mean time I keep trying to (help) save a dog if possible. Don't take msg 1 personal, please. It was a despairing situation.

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
16/09/2009 09:36

RE msg 16, Bowman: (...) Why dont you take the dog then DC............... (...)

=> My two dogs send their regards, Bowman. One dog travelled all the way from Holland (in the backseat of my car), the other dog was a stray puppy and lives a happy life now. Again, their regards!

BigMart


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Message Posted:
16/09/2009 10:11

Hans,



thanks for your reply, no offence intended or taken.



the whole dog and cat situation is totally out of control, untill the savages who turn their animas loose are either educated or punished there will be no end to it and the burden on the ex-pats will grow.



There is only so much we can do.

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
16/09/2009 10:11

Regards to "gillken" (msg 20) from Dobermann "Spot" and stray "Dixie": http://www.allcrusades.com/BB_pics/S3500015_mail.JPG

fiendishpaul


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Message Posted:
16/09/2009 10:38

DC

A fine pair of hounds you have there.

Paul

Corbo



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Message Posted:
16/09/2009 11:36

A moving pub story comes to mind from my last trip to Lapta in August this year..we were having Cleftiko Goat in the restaurant in the hills above Lapta..the one with the panoramic views and the hornets dive bombing. The Waiter/owner, who lives in a tent and who is also a vet and a bit of a stand up comic to boot, told us about these 4 tiny new born puppies that needed a home. He described how he had found them in the hills and 3 of the 4 pups had protected the runt from the horses hooves. Of course, the two children of the party rushed off to see them and started to play with them. I wandered over and saw 4 tiny things with light blue eyes..they liked my toes and looked lost and venerable and naturally, lovely. The 7 year old Tom was saying..'I love you, I love you to all of them'. The poignancy was almost too much to take..I briefly though of all the vulnerable little creatures in the world and the suffering children and the beauty of life and the harsh realities of nature.

Corbo



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Message Posted:
16/09/2009 11:38

You need an edit post button on here!

Whistler


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Message Posted:
16/09/2009 22:41

Word of advice everybody. If you have any doubt in your mind that the lovable gorgeous animal that you are contemplating taking on will be able to stay with you, dont take it in the first place. Have you all noticed that the number of stray dogs is increasing by the day and probably because of the number of people who are returning to Britain or wherever dont take their animals with them. Take Max who Liz and Guido are looking after, it is obvious that he has come from a home where english is spoken. Please, if you cant keep them, dont take them. These animals come into our homes and bring so much love with them, but so many of them are being abandoned.

Lilli



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Message Posted:
16/09/2009 23:25

Dear Whistler thank you. He is coming on a treat. Taffy springs to mind. Jollyroger of course you are entitled to your opionion but I hope to God the Tcs never ever contemplate cooking a dog. You know I would rather see them shot and buired than eaten. All we want to do is help elivate the suffering here. We also help children beleive you me . I find your post somewhat offensive but as I said its your opionion to which you are entitled. Have a very nice night.

Vidal


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Message Posted:
16/09/2009 23:34

Mess 31

Whistler, I totally agree with you. But dont you think some of the posts are making folk feel like totally heartless morons for not taking in a dog or pup. I would love love love to have taken the pup and even more so that beautiful Daisy, but I cant, and I wont be emotionally blackmailed into thinking thats part of the deal moving here. But I do think that there are people who have been made to feel so damn guilty that they do take a dog thinking it will work out or we'll cross 'that' bridge when we come to it, then consequently find that their circumstances change or they have to leave here. These dogs have lived 'rough' for generations, then recently the island is full of folk who have been brought up with a different set of morals, who interfere for perfectly kind reasons, but are just making things worse.

Just my thoughts.

Jeannie


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Message Posted:
16/09/2009 23:44

Whistler/Lilli

Unfortunately, the abandoned dog/cat/any animal you care to mention, problem is STILL getting worse here in the UK - more so, apparently, now that the 'credit crunch' has kicked in. Battersea, Wood Green, etc. who also care for cats as well as dogs, are overrun with the poor bloody things that people either don't want or can't afford to care for. As you may know, I am a great believer in a euthenasia programme. I know it sounds heartless, but, as I said to Hans earlier (and I know you knew what I meant, Hans ) I would much rather know that an unwanted animal has been 'put down' painlessly (and I do stress, painlessly) than wandering around hungry, in pain, unloved, etc. I would find it difficult to turn any unwanted/abandoned animal away, but, as I'm sure many will tell you, you have to sometimes let your head rule your heart. Having said this, if I lived in NC full time, I would be spending most of my time with Liz (and the animals, of course).

Jeannie


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Message Posted:
16/09/2009 23:50

jollyroger



We also support Children's projects, both here in the UK, and also do our little bit for the orphans' charity in NC.



I feel I have to agree with you - as much as I love animals, children.......................



PS I know my friend Smithy would agree with me. I think we all try to find a bit of space in our hearts to try and make life a bit easier for all those in need.

God - I sound like (Sir) Bob Geldoff (?spelling).

Sorry to sound so cheesy - hope you know what I mean!!



Jean

Lilli



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Message Posted:
16/09/2009 23:51

Vidal I agree with you sadly its a lot of brits going home leaving them. There is a difference between a stray and an abondened. No one wants any body to be blackmailed or to feel guilty. Please dont. KAR takes the ones you live rough and sadly I take the ones who are left or the young pups looking for life.I agree that we all try to be kind and get involved and when we cant move on. It does not alwayswork like that. I care deeply for the welfare of these souls. I never intented to but it just happened. I hate the suffering and the fact KAR cant take any more . Nobody would think for one second you are heartless morons. You all have your own reasons which are respected. Whilst the digs live rough they are OK then make them domestic then put them back rough . Itsso different Vidal. Like having the gutter to the Ritz then back to the gutter

Lilli



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Message Posted:
16/09/2009 23:58

Jeannie I knoe exactly what you mean/I actally think Im calling it a day as it gets to me so much. Will I be able to turn a blind eye. I do all I can for the Children in need appeal and SOS but when yo see an animal hurt then you do what you do Cant wait to see you as I am getting tunnel vision. Tonight I was so happy placing that BARBIE to her new owners but I do accept the views of others. Im not trying to be Mother Theresa but from here on in i will leave it to KAR

Whistler


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Message Posted:
17/09/2009 00:01

We have three such animals. A dog, and two cats, one of which only has three legs. My friend had been staying in their house for three weeks and befriended two kittens. On the morning of the day she was returning to uk she asked me to care for one of them, who had had an accident somehow and she had taken it to the vet and it`s left back leg had been amputated. She is still with us and leading a pretty normal life (if she had four legs she`d be lethal) If ever the occasion arose it was necessary to return to the uk then we would find a way of taking all three with us, even if it meant driving to France and staying there for six months. Liz - keep up the good work kiddo - if you need anything just holler.

Jeannie


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Message Posted:
17/09/2009 00:04

Hi Liz - I think, like us, you're a bit 'charitied out'. No, you'll never be able to 'turn a blind eye', no more than we can!!



Will be there in a few days and I promise we won't talk about the animals (well, not too much), have a few glasses of wine and a chat.



You're doing a fine job Liz - keep your chin up.



With love to you both.



Jeannie

xxx

Vidal


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Message Posted:
17/09/2009 00:09

Hi Lilli



I understand what you are saying and believe me you and the others have my utmost respect for doing what you do.

We are lucky where we live that there are very few feral (for whatever reason) dogs, but when I was driving back from Girne late one night recently I was shocked at the number of dogs running loose. Some of them desperately thin, some limping, some way too young or running in and out of traffic and I have to not look or I too would have a houseful. Like Jeannie says I have to let my head rule not my heart. I read the posts because at the end of the day we all hope for a happy out come but I do hate the way some of the posts make you feel obliged to take a dog whether its wise or not. Thats all.

Lilli



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Message Posted:
17/09/2009 00:11

thank you my friends. whistler and my jeannie xxxxx blind eye I doubt it but when you read these things Oh well xxx jeannie wine being chilled as we speak xxxxxxx My turn next anyway xxxx

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
17/09/2009 09:19

To all on this board who feel offended by the words and the tone of my message starting this thread. I repeat: "message nr 1 was not meant to slag off anyone. Really. I only knew the pup didn't have much time left, so I tried a shocking text instead of the usual soft words". Well, the pup found a home and that is what counts for me. Let's forget the rest and not make this thread fill with the usual accusations, silly contributions and what have you. STOP, please.