whats going on here?

fire starter


Joined: 19/06/2008
Posts: 3401

Message Posted:
25/09/2009 14:41

For the last two weeks i have been in the uk on hoilday /business for those of you that didn't already know.

my sony vaio has been in it's case in my cyprus livingroom the whole time we were away.

in the last weeks i have made some very interesting posts considering i have not been on line!

i met up with a forum member/friend whilst in the uk and was handed some printed out sheets from cyprus44.

the sheets show dc ranting at me again? anyone tell me what this was all about? dc? i though we parted on good terms? the way the rant went on, surely you must have know it wasn't me who you were talking to? you would have known how i would have responded. it was a little funny, what was the bet for? (i'm skint ,just been shopping)

who gave out my info? please explain?

who is posting as me?

i'm flattered and amused , can anyone explain?? please!



posted by the real fire starter! who is now back from the uk and confused !!

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
25/09/2009 14:47

Blooming Heck FS they can even steal your identy on here.I wonder why they did that. Check with Izzett which ISP it came from.

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
25/09/2009 14:55

RE msg 1, fire_starter: I was amazed also, but thought that you preferred to reopen the exchange of hostile posts. I REALLY have no idea what is going on here - like you ask in your post. I SWEAR I HAVE NOT A CLUE.

P.S. I prefer the cease-fire or even better: peace.

P.S. Could someone else have used your computer and logged-in as "fire_starter"?

PP.S. Some Admin(s) must have been confused also, because "you" (?) got warnings in several threads.

britvic



Joined: 05/09/2008
Posts: 3039

Message Posted:
25/09/2009 14:56

I must admit I knew you were in the UK, and was wondering why you weren't posting on the other forum, obviously the person who had your identity, didn't have your password for their.





Vicki

DutchCrusader



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Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
25/09/2009 14:57

Forgot to add: This is a serious matter and definitely something to sort out for the only one who can do it: Izzet.

negativenick


Joined: 10/11/2008
Posts: 6023

Message Posted:
25/09/2009 15:01

you're not the real Firestarter.....

fire starter


Joined: 19/06/2008
Posts: 3401

Message Posted:
25/09/2009 15:04

dc,

i don't hold it against you, i just couldn't work out why you were ranting at me? peace?



(nobody has access to my computer whilst i am away, it has a password on it.)



britvic , i haven't been to the other forum yet to find out. (my user name is the same there but password is different.)



posted by the real firestarter.

fire starter


Joined: 19/06/2008
Posts: 3401

Message Posted:
25/09/2009 15:05

nick

i am the one and only fire starter!

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
25/09/2009 15:10

If someone has 'cloned' your name on here surely there must be a way to find out. I'm actually appalled by this if this is the case. Make no mistake, steps are being taken to find out what has gone on.

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
25/09/2009 15:12

I've just bulk downloaded all "fire_starter" (?) messages (from 090913 until today) - before they may mysteriously disappear. Most are rather unkind or maliciously aimed at me. Hmmm, a thought about this mystery springs to mind.

britvic



Joined: 05/09/2008
Posts: 3039

Message Posted:
25/09/2009 15:13

Nobody has been posting as fire starter over their, so they have your password for here, you had better change it, even if you don't post on here any more, someone could still post as you.





Vicki

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
25/09/2009 15:16

fire_starter: click on your name and check the long list of "Recent messages". There and then you can see what you (as the real fire_starter) posted or did not.

I find this event so low - we must solve this.

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
25/09/2009 15:17

Good thinking Hans, message 11. Lets hope Izzet can sort this out quickly.

DutchCrusader



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Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
25/09/2009 15:21

Has anyone drawn Izzet's attention to this thread already? I ask this so he doesn't get flooded with mail about the same subject.

britvic



Joined: 05/09/2008
Posts: 3039

Message Posted:
25/09/2009 15:22

Message 13 I agree.







Vicki

No1Doyen


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Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
25/09/2009 15:23

Firestarter. Message 6 at 14.58 stated that you were not posting anymore. Yet at 15.06 you posted on another thread about Milk.



Please don't think that i'm 'having a pop' at you but how do we know who the real firestarter is.



Did the 'other' firestarter post on the Milk thread?



I'm confused already!!

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
25/09/2009 15:24

Hans. Message 15. It was done 10 minutes ago.

britvic



Joined: 05/09/2008
Posts: 3039

Message Posted:
25/09/2009 15:27

Could two be in at the same time? I am noticing on the milk thread, there is no capitol letter at the beginning of the post.







Vicki

DutchCrusader



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Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
25/09/2009 15:29

The real fire_starter: I'm sorry when you stop posting - after the good phone conversation your husband John, you and I had. Think it over. I don't always like what you say, but you have the right to say it (and get contradicted...).

fire starter


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Posts: 3401

Message Posted:
25/09/2009 15:34

bill

what i said was i wouldn't be posting here after today, i have asked aj to ban firestarter then if i don't post, the other poster can't either.

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
25/09/2009 15:39

To start solving this problem: Izzet can check the email addresses of the real and the fake fire_starter. Just a wild guess : the fake fire_starter has a @gmail* email address and the real fire_starter has her own email address (from her own domain name).

Right or wrong..?

* P.S. gmail doesn't allow two same email addresses.

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
25/09/2009 15:40

message22. Ok. Thanks for letting me know. I hope Izzet is able to get to the bottom of this for you and that hopefully you'll change your mind.



Perhaps you can come back as 'arsonist' !! ) )

Tiggy


Joined: 25/07/2007
Posts: 1994

Message Posted:
25/09/2009 15:43

Looks like Littlenigel will be taking in more strays!



I must admit I did not look like Rose posting recently. Izzet need to have a look at how the system was breached.

Izzet



Joined: 01/12/2006
Posts: 920

Message Posted:
25/09/2009 15:50

Nothing was breached.



Members are responsible from keeping their passwords safe.



Izzet

DutchCrusader



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Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
25/09/2009 21:35

RE msg 28, fire_starter (fake or real): (...) see you all around guys. (...)

=> From now on we cannot trust ONE message on this board - fake ID's and stolen ID's.

Suggestion: abolish the Admins. Useless. Who are they moderating? Bill? AJ? And others.

This is all the result of maintaining a board with non-tested software. Hundreds of thousands Bulletin Boards where this canNOT happen.

Sorry to say it, my dear Izzet, but LEARNING from errors here and solutions elsewhere is nothing to feel ashamed about.

If msg 1 is true - the C44 board has a serious leak.

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
25/09/2009 21:42

Hans. With all due respect, there's nothing we can do as moderators. We don't have the facilities to check email addresses. Why point the finger at us?

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
25/09/2009 21:45

RE msg 26, Izzet: (...) Nothing was breached. Members are responsible from keeping their passwords safe. Izzet (...)

=> Not good enough, Izzet. We, your customers, deserve your explanation about msg 1. Did it happen like stated: then you have a problem and you should tell us, your customers, what happened and what you are going to do to avoid this to happen again. If it's not true (msg 1): tell us, your customers, also.

We, your customers, have the right to know. Without us, your customers, you don't have a board and no income from the board.



P.S. Message screendumped.

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
25/09/2009 21:53

RE msg 31, Bill: I'm not pointing at any Admin. I only want to make it clear that you and your colleagues are moderating posts that were not posted by the people who pretend to be the poster. So: who are you moderating? fire_starter (or a fake)? Me or someone else?

fire_starter stated a very serious accusation in msg 1. Someone is trying to sabotage this board. It's not the Admins. It's not fire_starter. It's not me, reacting in good faith but in error on fire_starter's messages.

So you and I know who didn't do it.

Remains the question: who did it? The answer is with the only man who can read the log book of this board: Izzet.

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
25/09/2009 21:56

Apologies Hans I obviously misread your post.

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
25/09/2009 21:57

Bill



You do have a phone and as a member of the 'inner circle' you should be able to verbally speak to Izzet and allay any fears certain members are now having about security.



Richard

britvic



Joined: 05/09/2008
Posts: 3039

Message Posted:
25/09/2009 22:10

The really stupid thing about all of this is I noticed fire starter's style of writing had changed, and even wondered why she wasn't posting on the 'other' forum, now after going through her posts again it is blatantly obvious it was not fire starter.

A bit worrying and the person who was posting must have known she was away, how else could they get away with it? maybe they were dipping their toe in the pond (so to speak) and it actually could have been a lot worse, if for instance If it had been someone like Makoasy.

Shudder to think!



Vicki

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
25/09/2009 22:26

Izzet & Admins: It is still going on - "a" fire_starter is still posting. The real one or the fake?

Look here: http://www.cyprus44.com/forums/23185.asp

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
25/09/2009 22:38

I don't understand why the Admins "on duty" don't follow what's happening in the threads on top of the forum. AJ? You are on line. (10.37 pm).

britvic



Joined: 05/09/2008
Posts: 3039

Message Posted:
25/09/2009 22:42

I don't think other members realise how serious this is.

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
25/09/2009 22:45

Hans message 37. I've banned the firestarter who posted in the link

you have shown.



Vicky, I really don't think there's any need to worry about this. I'm sure Izzet will get to the bottom

of it.

cooper


Joined: 23/10/2007
Posts: 3386

Message Posted:
25/09/2009 22:54

Bill pehap's you should ban the firestarter that has just posted on here too.

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
25/09/2009 22:57

This firestarter obviously posted at the same time as I banned her. (I hope) )

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
25/09/2009 22:58

RE msg 39, Bill: (...) Hans message 37. I've banned the firestarter who posted in the link you have shown. (...)

=> Fine, Bill, OK, I appreciate your work within your limits. But: see msg 40! Unless Izzet can convince us, his customers: this board is now a sieve for identities - who is who?



Re msg 38, britvic: (...) I don't think other members realise how serious this is. (...)

=> You are a-b-s-o-l-u-t-e-l-y right.

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
25/09/2009 23:09

There is another side to this Hans. How can we be sure that firestarter did not make these posts. I know she said she didn't have her computer switched on but how do we know she didn't?

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
25/09/2009 23:14

RE msg 39, Bill: (...) Theta another side to this Hans. How can we be sure that firestarter did not make these posts. I know she said she didn't have her computer switched on but how do we know she didn't? (...)

=> That's a very good question indeed, Bill - but for obvious reasons (I hope) I didn't want to be the first to raise the question.

The only one who can answer the question is Izzet. He can check the log book and find out the IP addresses. I think it's more than high time that Izzet minds his business, i.e. his board.



P.S. Message screendumped.

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
26/09/2009 00:41

Lets hope it getsorted soon and that we all know who is impersonating FS. This is serious. Many of us hide nothing but Its really scarary when someone else can be YOU

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
26/09/2009 00:58

I think the point at the end is whether someone actually has impersonated FS or the other option and if I understand what DC is saying only Izzet can tell but it would be good to know either way.



For me the biggest worry is that if somehow FS's password was found out, as Izzet says it wasn't done on here but if it was then if I had used that same password on other sites would they then be compromised.



I think I will change my password to one that is completely new which will give me a little more confidence, might be a little late but it's the best I can think of unless it can be confirmed what actually happened.

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
26/09/2009 01:05

Just in case anyone is worried about doing what I just suggested it took me about 20 seconds to change and then logged off and back on with the new password with no problems

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
26/09/2009 01:22

Thanks love will try xxxxx

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
26/09/2009 01:25

I for one will not think its FS herself. The grammar was incorrect and she is call ways correct What would she gain by doing this xxxxx

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
26/09/2009 09:39

I am amazed that no official statement about the problem above has appeared in this thread or elsewhere on the board. I think identity theft is serious enough. The credibility of the board and the privacy of its members is at stake.

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
26/09/2009 09:41

09.41 hrs: (...) Online Members: Guests, Navek, bridie, gotavilla, Lilli, smithy, jazzaktai, dewgreen, ustwo, scamper, AlsancakJack, Kantara, Tenakoutou, HappyGirl1, phoebe_cat, spook, DutchCrusader, Quarmby, loulou,

===> fire starter, <===

guinness, Codger, everon, manko, dozza67, japeal, Cyprusactive, NCMan, Kibris, racoonchic, ianwfs, Cyprusraider, Rogerdoger, Tiggy, Goonerboy, maggymay, wanderer, Jetski, porter (...)



There is a "fire starter" on line - real or fake (again)?

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
26/09/2009 10:40

Firestarter cannot post anymore as per my previous post.

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
26/09/2009 10:43

Morning, Bill! So when a "fire starter" logs in it's the real one. Good - but still a worrying event (see my msg 46).

hattikins


Joined: 17/02/2008
Posts: 2793

Message Posted:
26/09/2009 10:45

But if she/he can still *look in* then can her IP address not be traced when she/he is viewing.

Izzet



Joined: 01/12/2006
Posts: 920

Message Posted:
26/09/2009 11:12

There is no real or fake accounts.

There is one account for this user. (I checked)



The member claims she did not post some of the messages.

The member might be lying. The member might have her password exposed to malicious people.

No matter what, it is her account and her responsibility to keep her password safe.



There is no exploit in our codes.



If anybody feels worried, you can simply change your password any time!



Izzet

Izzet



Joined: 01/12/2006
Posts: 920

Message Posted:
26/09/2009 11:12

This thread is now closed. Reason: Thread was addressed and no need for further posts.

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
26/09/2009 11:13

It's speculation - due to the lack of an adequate reaction from the board management - but I think the fake "fire starter" guessed or overheard/saw the password of the real "fire starter" and logged in to the board via a proxy server. (By the way the latter is and was a well known and often repeated action by certain banned members on C44).



The question remains: how was/is it possible that two different persons use(d) the same nickname "fire starter" on this board? Izzet's database should have alarmed him when someone tried to do this.



This can happen to anyone here - change your password! Make it difficult (at least 8 tokens, with capitals etc). Example: CxBnN5m7. "The easier a password is for the owner to remember generally means it will be easy for a hacker to guess." (Wikipedia).