Life after talks , members views

pilgrim



Joined: 11/05/2007
Posts: 1404

Message Posted:
26/09/2009 17:29

With so many major obsticles appearing insurmountable, the chances of positive outcome to Talks looks slim.

Therefore just wondered what the consensus of opinion is regarding whats likely to happen regarding TRNC /ROC and applicable issues such as recognition, nature relationship with Turkey, property/compensation the 'Maras/ports' etc.

I relise some will think the current status quo will continue, but I feel these talks are last chance and other agendas are probably being discussed 'behind closed doors'.

Interesting to suppose what these may be.

Over to you guys.

regards

P

ilovecyprus


Joined: 08/05/2007
Posts: 2880

Message Posted:
26/09/2009 18:13

msge 2



Hi Paul



I would like to be proved wrong, but I don't think anyone on here is qualified to answer your question.



It would seem that the current goal for each side. might be to prove that it was the other side who is the one who has blocked the negotiations, therefore, they should be the one who is penalised, should the talks fail. Mind you, I am not really sure that other than the United nations and Sweeden, anybody else really cares about the outcome of the talks.



In any case, didn't Britain and Russia sign a moratorium, that should the talks fail, they will not recognise the TRNC. Clever move by Christofias, but it means he is no hurry to get an agreement and is probably curious to see what happens with the Orams case.

pilgrim



Joined: 11/05/2007
Posts: 1404

Message Posted:
26/09/2009 18:38

Hi Mark,

I accept probably none of us are in a position where we can predict with any actual 'informed' knowledge, but most of us develop theories from the information we receive and think its interesting to see how other members are thinking.

Apologies before I mention it, but its also more thought provoking to me to read others views on this subject than some other topics on forum and its akin to the main focus of this board.

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
26/09/2009 19:37

paul



what talks ,absolute rubbish ,why we are even sitting around a table defies belief .



if they want real talks lift the embargo,s ,stop telling the world a whole heap of rubbish



about us and open their eyes up to the kktc.



when they start playing fair ,we can start talking ,but for now , we are in peace ,worth everything



they throw at us.



musin



long live the kktc

pilgrim



Joined: 11/05/2007
Posts: 1404

Message Posted:
26/09/2009 19:57

Musin

I agree the term 'talks' hardly seems appropriate, seems more like an argument enterered into with intransigence from the begining.

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
26/09/2009 20:06

paul



perhaps that,s what we should call them .....THE CURRENT ARGUMENTS.... from now on .







musin





long live the kktc

negativenick


Joined: 10/11/2008
Posts: 6023

Message Posted:
26/09/2009 20:34

absolute waste of time...



The South hold all the cards and what does the North have to offer ?



Nothing i can think of.....



there is more chance of Garry Monger's missus fasting for 40 days than the island re-uniting...



And you heard it here first...

pilgrim



Joined: 11/05/2007
Posts: 1404

Message Posted:
26/09/2009 20:44

thanks nick, 40 days fasting something I could do with , but perhaps more chance of talks succeeding than me completing task!

exnavalperson


Joined: 22/07/2009
Posts: 224

Message Posted:
26/09/2009 21:02

Will someone please tell me WHY they want the island re-united?



What would be the benefits to the TRNC?

negativenick


Joined: 10/11/2008
Posts: 6023

Message Posted:
26/09/2009 21:35

mess 6....



You just arrived from planet Zogg ?



What about:



Direct flights

EU membership

EU Money to put infrastructure in place

Land disputes solved.

Orams case quashed.

international embargo's lifted - so international brand names become common place over here (yer know like Next, Debinhams, M and S, TGI Fridays).

EU rights for ex pats living here.

No residency renewal.

no faffing around with car insurance to go to the south

no TRNC driving licence

People's confidence in buying over here started.

Legal rights of recourse against rubbish builders.

No faffing around with permission to purchase..



other than that - nothing i suppose....

negativenick


Joined: 10/11/2008
Posts: 6023

Message Posted:
26/09/2009 22:31

i'm nominating message 10 the Neg Nick best post of 2009 (so far)...

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
26/09/2009 22:45

msg 10;

All those you have listed,that you'd like to have,already exist in the southern part of the island...



Wouldnt life be much easier for you there??

pilgrim



Joined: 11/05/2007
Posts: 1404

Message Posted:
26/09/2009 22:52

Good wish list, Nick

regards

P

negativenick


Joined: 10/11/2008
Posts: 6023

Message Posted:
26/09/2009 23:05

mess 12 - yes it would, but like many thousands of other Brits, i'm in it up to my neck....

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
26/09/2009 23:12

msg 14;

"i'm in it up to my neck..."



Sounds like,from head to neck like an austridge(?)

AlexF065


Joined: 07/09/2009
Posts: 271

Message Posted:
27/09/2009 00:18

I cannot see any resolution in the foreseeable future

what i can see is that the TRNC could become a major holiday place like the present Turkish riviera,

All i hope is there is not another ayenappa with all the stupid drunks as it is that which puts most decent folk off from holidaying /living in spain

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
27/09/2009 00:32

Nick where have you been love. We have all the top designer names here already> Dolcie Gabana, Gucci, Channel, Louis Vuitton, Armani, Prada. etc. All genunine (fakes) but real ones

newlad



Joined: 02/03/2008
Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
27/09/2009 15:44

Paul,

Sorry i missed you.



re-talks,

Nothing will happen this year anyway.Next April seems to be the date that the sensible money is on though,

Paul.

newlad



Joined: 02/03/2008
Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
27/09/2009 15:51

http://www.northcyprus.biz/north_cyprus_FeedRedir.asp?FID=9354



Just thought i would throw this one in for good measure,

Paul.

newlad



Joined: 02/03/2008
Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
27/09/2009 15:52

http://www.northcyprus.biz/north_cyprus_FeedRedir.asp?FID=9353



More reading for a Sunday,

Paul.

pilgrim



Joined: 11/05/2007
Posts: 1404

Message Posted:
27/09/2009 16:30

Hi Paul

Thanks, Just the sought of info I was seeking.

regards

Paul

exnavalperson


Joined: 22/07/2009
Posts: 224

Message Posted:
27/09/2009 20:49

Negativenick message 10



Direct flights -- Nothing wrong with the flights as they are. Can't afford them myself.



EU membership -- I have been an EU member ever since politicians sold my birthright to Brussels



EU infrastructure money -- Who do you think is paying for all the roadworks in Girne?



Land disputes -- You are willing to let the Greeks solve them are you?



Orams case -- Purely personal to them.



International embargo -- See Lilli message 17.



EU rights for expats -- What rights are these please?



Residency renewal -- Big deal.



Insurance for south -- Another big deal



TRNC D.L. -- Even accepted in U.K.



People buying houses -- They still are.



Legal rights against bldrs -- The Greeks have that trouble too..



Perm to buy. -- A small price to pay for the protection the Turkish Army g

newlad



Joined: 02/03/2008
Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
27/09/2009 21:32

exnavalperson,

re-the infrastructure within the North i agree that monies do come from within the E.U. but it is a drop in the ocean to kick start what the North needs.Hence the reason why the Girne by-pass is going to be five years behind schedule on completion.



Legal rights against builders- two wrongs dont make a right.



Direct flights- " nothing wrong with flights as they are" Pafos to Kyrennia border crossing and long drive hardly ideal.Larnaca to Kyrennia shorter drive but still have to cross a border.And Ercan to Kyrennia.Touch down in Turkey to take off again no thanks,

Paul.

karakum5c



Joined: 18/03/2008
Posts: 1021

Message Posted:
27/09/2009 22:06

Think we will have to wait for a UNITED Ireland first before we get a UNITED Cyprus.

newlad



Joined: 02/03/2008
Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
27/09/2009 22:34

Long wait then Keith,

Paul.

AlexF065


Joined: 07/09/2009
Posts: 271

Message Posted:
27/09/2009 22:45

I tend to agree with Keith and am trying to fomulate my plans accordingly

pilgrim



Joined: 11/05/2007
Posts: 1404

Message Posted:
27/09/2009 23:19

Reading Pauls links regarding Turkey's supposed plans seems Cyprus is going to stay in the News for some time and is likely to be a fair bit higher up priority stakes and may even make Headlines if Russia get involded. Interesting times ahead.

andy-f


Joined: 03/05/2009
Posts: 1256

Message Posted:
27/09/2009 23:35

it will get realy interesting once turkey call time on the talks when its obvious no deal will ever be done , plan B will see the trnc slowly recognized and the two state solution it craves come into being. i cant see any other outcome .

anyone agree or dissagree?

newlad



Joined: 02/03/2008
Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
27/09/2009 23:48

Andy,

I agree.Where you once Andy P. if so long time no hear,

Paul.

pilgrim



Joined: 11/05/2007
Posts: 1404

Message Posted:
27/09/2009 23:50

Looks that way to me at the moment too.

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
27/09/2009 23:55

Hiya Kara all my life I wanted a united Ireland but have to agree its best for us this way. I came 5 years ago and thought the same about here and related it to Ireland. However its not going to happen. We are being related to the Twain situation now xxxxxx

andy-f


Joined: 03/05/2009
Posts: 1256

Message Posted:
27/09/2009 23:57

paul i was andysue in my other life ( remeber the daft man utd fan from wigan) ?

newlad



Joined: 02/03/2008
Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
27/09/2009 23:57

Lilli,

Never the Twain shall meet,

Paul,

newlad



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Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
28/09/2009 22:23

Now then Andy,course i remember.We nearly met in Barca,

Paul.

andy-f


Joined: 03/05/2009
Posts: 1256

Message Posted:
28/09/2009 22:58

paul i have explained to you before how i ended up andy-f from andysue , murder when old age sets in eh?

newlad



Joined: 02/03/2008
Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
28/09/2009 23:11

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMHGgnlXfSA



I remember now.

newlad



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Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
29/09/2009 23:34

Andy,

Are you at the shrine tom night,

Paul.

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
29/09/2009 23:39

Paul you are so right I acyually meant to say Tiawan . hope your both ok xxx

ilovecyprus


Joined: 08/05/2007
Posts: 2880

Message Posted:
30/09/2009 19:32

msge 1



Hi Paul



I am not sure if this article will give you a little more info on what you were asking for.



http://www.cyprus-mail.com/news/main.php?id=48091&cat_id=1



Interesting that 41% of TC's are leaning towards a yes vote in a referendum and only 23% on the GC side are saying yes. I wonder if these are 'yes's' regardless of what the specifics of a solution might end up being.(although, as this artcile implies a solution is looking increasingly unlikely).

ilovecyprus


Joined: 08/05/2007
Posts: 2880

Message Posted:
30/09/2009 19:35

This is also an interesting statement made by the ICG which appears in the article



"The group suggested that Turkey is today more ready than in the past to defy the EU and risk irreversible damage to the relationship over what it also sees as issues of national interest and justice".

newlad



Joined: 02/03/2008
Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
30/09/2009 22:06

Thanks Mark,

Nothing will change until April when Talat steps down,and is replaced by a hard liner whos sole purpose will be to make sure that there will be two states.Turkey wont be pushed into anything this time as they possibly have b igger fish to fry within the middle east.The Geek Cyps will not make any concessions and back down on anything as it is there bat there ball and there wickets.

newlad



Joined: 02/03/2008
Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
30/09/2009 22:11

http://northcyprus.biz/north_cyprus_FeedRedir.asp?FID=9370



The drums are beating for partition,

Paul.

pilgrim



Joined: 11/05/2007
Posts: 1404

Message Posted:
30/09/2009 22:27

2 interesting articles thanks guys. Must make the leaders think if they read them , 'ups the anti' a little!

Aussie


Joined: 17/06/2007
Posts: 657

Message Posted:
30/09/2009 22:47

I think both sides are mostly looking to shift blame if the talks or a referendum vote fail.



From the TC side I think its important some sort of proposal gets put to referendum even if rejected by the south (or both sides) as it will help diplomatically and weaken the ROC position regarding their seriousness in wanting a solution. It will then be easier for cracks to appear in the embargoes etc. and generally attract more international sympathy.



Aussie

newlad



Joined: 02/03/2008
Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
30/09/2009 22:54

Aussie,

Good points,but unfortunateley the vast majority still believe all the gc propaganda machine and until more people read,here and believe the turk and nc side of the story the the sympathy to the north will not come,

Paul.

Middle Easter


Joined: 13/06/2007
Posts: 146

Message Posted:
30/09/2009 23:26

ilovecyprus & pilgrim, hats off to you for tryng to have a sound debate re the future of NC.



My one response would be to neg. nick's posting: NN cheers me up no end because of his wit & charm, but I must correct him when he says that 'S Cyprus have all the cards'...because NC is under the control of Turkey, & anyone who thinks S. Cyprus have more 'sway' than Turkey are frankly deluding themselves.



SO don't panic sell your propertes & enjoy the good life in NC...actually there no place better, so stop looking!

newlad



Joined: 02/03/2008
Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
30/09/2009 23:35

Middle Easter i am totally pro n.c. as well,

Paul.

cypwine


Joined: 09/05/2009
Posts: 177

Message Posted:
30/09/2009 23:59

msg 36





And Sod the Tcs there rightful place on the WHOLE island!!! How very kind of you all!! NOT! but then again most people on here are not here for the people of Cyprus are they, cheap properties comes to mind.

Troodo


Joined: 12/06/2008
Posts: 1002

Message Posted:
01/10/2009 00:19

msg

Give it a rest. There are cheaper properties in many parts of the world, you pratt.

pilgrim



Joined: 11/05/2007
Posts: 1404

Message Posted:
01/10/2009 00:44

cypwine ,

The nature of the flavour of your posts does an injustice to wines of Cyprus there not all acidic!

Also not all of us love NC because of ' Cheap properties' many of us had the budget to buy in dearer areas France , Spain , Canaries etc but after visiting these locations decided on NC because of unspoit nature ,climate, and friendly people, not price.

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
01/10/2009 00:45

Cypwine, If the UK were to open their borders to all and sundry and sell land and properties at very good prices compared to the rest of Europe, do you honestly believe that anyone would be buying up property for the good of the locals.

Think about what you are saying, Non cypriots bought both North and South of the green line it doesn't mean they came to the island to screw over the Cypriots.

I don't own property, I rent but you make it sound like I am trying to hurt someone by doing it.

Leave the arguing to the politicians, let them actually do something to earn their wages.

It doesn't matter what the result of this situation will be, one or more likely both sides are going to be dissapointed in someway.

To resolve the issue of displaced Cypriots 35 years ago the EU are not going to compromise European trade futures and on the other hane they are not going to give in completely to Turkey and make an enemy of Greece and the RoC.

cyprusairsoft



Joined: 22/06/2009
Posts: 2066

Message Posted:
01/10/2009 20:01

Turkey holds the cards not gc



if they cant agree this time i think its 2-0 to tcs



i like my cheap house cypwine and dont give a dam what you think with your pro greek posts

face up to it we are all here to stay

long live kktc

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
01/10/2009 20:24

Juliet

Re message 38.



'And Sod the Tcs there rightful place on the WHOLE island!!!'



Unfortunately that is what 'your lot' are trying to do.

The ROC is after proportional representation (a larger control than the TC's over running Cyprus) in any shared government as opposed to to a 50/50 situation.

Do you think that is fair? Do not the TC's have a right to a 50% share in any decisions that are made re the government of Cyprus?

Or are you another one that thinks Cyprus is for the Greek Cypriots?

AJ

andy-f


Joined: 03/05/2009
Posts: 1256

Message Posted:
01/10/2009 20:30

cypswine . . after two years reading your deluded posts about "us expats " living and buying stolen land and properties and your never ended whinge " what about the TCs , well what about them they all seem do be doing rather well from what i see when over, more brits , russians , scandanavians and all the others now buying mean more money in the kktc and better living standards for all.



cypswine stay south of the green line you aint welcome up north

newlad



Joined: 02/03/2008
Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
01/10/2009 20:30

Pikey mess 48 change the record mate and move on to cds time to move on,

Paul.

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
01/10/2009 21:02

newlad



'Pikey mess 48 change the record mate and move on to cds time to move on,'



Unfortunately cypwine and Pikey may be of the same school but cypwine is a sniper and when challenged about 'her' comments will not reply because 'her' understanding of the Cyprus problem and the intelligence needed to enter into intelligent debate are seriously lacking.

AJ

newlad



Joined: 02/03/2008
Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
01/10/2009 21:52

Jack,

Sorry i thought they where one and the same person,

Paul.

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
01/10/2009 22:00

I think "she" would do well in a debate AJ, just so long as it was completely one sided and "she" never had to admit "she" might be biased.



Another Paul