squaters in my house

roachie


Joined: 25/04/2008
Posts: 31

Message Posted:
25/04/2008 12:00

I need advice on a problem. I have a holiday let in Essentepe. I stupidly lent it out to two Cypriot guys for 1 month. They paid cash for this month in advance. Then, however, they carried on living at the house, refused to move out or pay rent. I went over to the house from my home in England got rid of them, changed the locks e.t.c but as soon as I got back on the plane they moved back in by gaining access through a window. Please help

ttoli


Joined: 24/03/2007
Posts: 1172

Message Posted:
25/04/2008 12:05

What did the Police do?

jokers2theright


Joined: 18/02/2008
Posts: 174

Message Posted:
25/04/2008 12:15

Unfortunately there are squatters rights in this Country I dont think you can do much about it just move back in wait until they go out and change the locks.

ukturk



Joined: 01/09/2007
Posts: 1974

Message Posted:
25/04/2008 12:35

hi roachie

first of all what jokers is saying is correct, you can go to the police and report them but you have to be carefull becuae you are really not supposed to be renting out your property especially if you are just a tourist, you can play dumb go to the police and say they just broke in and if you can prove this they will remove them instantly, if this all fails your next best thing is to make life hard for them, go to kibtec get the electric turned off or suspended and make sure you tell them you are the house owner and that you dont give permission to no one to turn it back on, then get the water turned off and do the same procedure and this should work no one can live in a house with no water or electric

good luck

ukturk

TimothyCadman


Joined: 13/12/2007
Posts: 1040

Message Posted:
25/04/2008 12:52

I concur with ukturk's way of doing things.

orangekazzie



Joined: 31/07/2007
Posts: 1091

Message Posted:
25/04/2008 13:05

Hi Roachie

Also I suggest you tell the police you are turning off the water and electricity. We were back in the UK for a while whilst the house next door to us was being built. The builders were "living" on site with no water or electricity. They turned on our water and used our outside shower. We were unaware of this until we returned and found the shower head had been snapped off. They also ran a by-pass cable from our electricity meter so they could have use of our power. A neighbour saw the cable and called the police who removed them, contacted Kibtec who installed another meter, temporary, and the construction company were told they had to pay for our services until we returned. the police then made sure they visited our property on a regular basis to make sure nothing else had been touched.

Karen

ilovemydogs



Joined: 20/04/2008
Posts: 514

Message Posted:
25/04/2008 17:02

why can you not rent out your propery. what is the point in buying to let if it is illegal. this is worrying as we are due out next saturday to buy for that purpose, is there any point if we can,t rent it. please can someone explain the rules to me.

Pipie


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
25/04/2008 17:04

this is news to me also ?

spook


Joined: 23/01/2008
Posts: 244

Message Posted:
25/04/2008 17:47

You can rent out your property as much as you like, however you are supposed to pay tax on any rental income to the TRNC Government at i believe 10% of the gross rental, no set off for your expenses, this has to be paid by the 14th of month following, there is a thread somewhere that gives more detail, or perhaps someone better informed can give you fuller info, you could of course just let "family & friends " use it out of the goodness of your heart

Notsoboredhw


Joined: 15/03/2007
Posts: 1254

Message Posted:
25/04/2008 18:52

Yes we let family and friends use ours out of the goodness of our hearts!!!!!! LOL!!!!!!!!

ukturk



Joined: 01/09/2007
Posts: 1974

Message Posted:
25/04/2008 19:46

hi guys

sorry i did not word it right!!!!! whether you are or not a resident you can rent out your property but the tax issue is the stumbling block that determines if you rent or not aswell as having a sozleme (contract) for the owners security

if you have the one property it wont be a problem but if you intend to buy quite a few properties to rent out it could be treated as a buisness which is a complety diffrent ball game

article 31 of the income tax law you have to pay 10% on gross income and this is payable on the 15th of each month dont matter if you are in the country or not

and like spook and bhw has stated you could rent out and say you are doing this for free but if you have the trouble that roachie is having at the moment this could be a problem when you are trying to evict them with no contract in place

sorry for the confusion

and good luck to roachie

regards

ukturk

elko2



Joined: 24/07/2007
Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
25/04/2008 21:24

Let me try and put a few things right:

1. Taxation. If you pay 10% of the gross income by the 15th of next month no questions asked. According to the law, whatever you receive this month you have to pay 10% by the 15th of next month. However the tax people always assume that you get paid without any delays, hence they expect say April's rent in May, otherwise they try to make you pay a penalty for late payment. You should stand your ground and refuse to pay the penalty unless you are personally at fault. If the tax people say they will not accept your payment without the penalty, just walk away and come back with a written notice that you offered to pay and they refused to take it. Give it to the archive and have it recorded. Just watch the fun afterwards.



2. Tenats: Once you let the premises with or without a written contract you cannot get them out without a court order and that can take a few years. If you enter and change the locks, you can be accused of illegal entry and charged accordingly. What is worse is that you can be accused of stealing some of the tenants belongings. If the electricity and/or water is in your name, give a written notice to the relevant authorities that they should cut if off, otherwise you will not be responsible for the water or electricity consumed. The tenant has the right to go and have it in his name. Water and electricity cannot be used as a weapon against the tenants. Worse come to worse, he can apply to court and have both services reconnected provided it is made to the tenant's name. So never let your house to anybody that you are not sure of. If you must let, have a written contract and double the price after the first year and get a guarantor who is either a civil servant or has some immovable in his name. Thus if they don't pay the rent, you can sue both the tenant and the guarantor for the rentals.



Once I rented a place to someone who could pay the rent but could not be bothered after the fist month of moving in. I had his water and electricity cut so he had to take both in his name. Then I sued him four times for the rent for four consecutive months. He said that he never met anyone like me before and began paying promptly after that. So you can say that I am a good teacher!!!

ismet

Notsoboredhw


Joined: 15/03/2007
Posts: 1254

Message Posted:
25/04/2008 21:38

I think I might be inclined to go and buy a gun!!!!! LOL!!!!!!!

middlestubbo


Joined: 24/04/2008
Posts: 31

Message Posted:
25/04/2008 22:34

Hi guys



I'm new to the forum. I must say, it appears to be a bit backward the fact that you have to pay 10% of the rent each month! I take it that this is if you are gonna go through a rental management company, so they can prove when it was rented / vacant, because if you were to be doing it off your own back it would just encourage you to fiddle the books a little! I rent out a couple of houses out in the UK and paying tax on the income is a lot less hassle when you only have to make one cheque out at the end of the financial year.



colin

Lemtich



Joined: 15/02/2007
Posts: 1487

Message Posted:
25/04/2008 22:59

Hypothetically, just supposing that a similar situation existed somewhere else and the owner of this hypothetical property, after complaining bitterly to the Police that his tenants were not only not paying rent but he had heard rumours that they were dealinng drugs, were to hyothetically gain entry to this hypothetical property whilst the hypothetical tenants were out and hypothetically stash illegal substances and other downloaded illegal materials on the premises.



Then if a hypothetical anonymous TC friend complained by telephone to the Muchtar and the Police that drugs were being offered to his daughter by these tenants from this property.....



Hypothetically, what do you think would happen to these hypothetical tenants?



Just curious, in a hypothetical way.

roachie


Joined: 25/04/2008
Posts: 31

Message Posted:
25/04/2008 23:21

Hello, I am the original person who started this discussion. Could you explain what you meant by you cut off the water and electricity and then sued him? Please explain.

li n lee


Joined: 09/10/2007
Posts: 144

Message Posted:
25/04/2008 23:25

Im sure there is a job for me in this country

Wish you all the best with your dispute, from a law side of things this is a civil dispute and the police may not want to take any of this on

However if damage has been caused and they have subsequently entered as a tresspasser then this a burglary whether they have stolen anything or not.

My advice dont tell the police you have squatters on the premises but you have persons detained who have caused criminal damage

billybob


Joined: 29/03/2008
Posts: 576

Message Posted:
26/04/2008 07:27

People renting out can very easy be cought out there is plenty evidence from web sites, management companys and other things so whot people says about letting to friends!!!!!!!! for free wont work here cos the law is different and they can make estimate of earning from letting think elko will back this

Alos whot happens if something was to go wrong say kiddie drown in pool on site and your 'friends' sue you cos you let the place to them and charged money in england then see if they be your 'friend' !!!!!!!

it is in the papers every week nearly the ad about having to pay your tax so evrybody shoud know they are due to pay 10% to goverment and why shoud they not pay they are not above the law and if you rent out to people you always take a chance unless u know how to set things up right.

phylray



Joined: 21/09/2007
Posts: 1727

Message Posted:
27/04/2008 02:11

It is parents' responsibility to take care of their children in pools, and this

is clearly stated on most swimming pools.

billybob


Joined: 29/03/2008
Posts: 576

Message Posted:
27/04/2008 09:12

never seen on pools at villa yet and been here all ong time, but on new devlopment like medview turtle and hilltops they have signs but you missing the point, if any accadent happens and it is let for money then the persons can have a claim and if let from england they be able to claim in england

and have the persons letting for the money thought about that and take out proper insurance to cover :0

orangekazzie



Joined: 31/07/2007
Posts: 1091

Message Posted:
27/04/2008 13:05

Hi BHW

This is just a general question and I'm not getting at anyone. Its difficult to put words into e-mail sometimes as emotions get in the way but here goes.

Didn't TBV guarantee a certain amount of rental income? How does this get managed. Do they tell the tax people which places have been rented and all rentals go through them or is it the responsibility of each owner to source their own rentals? Do they have a deal with any particular travel agency to promote TBV?

I just wondered how they work as if its just left up to the owners then how can they guarantee your return.

Karen

andre 514


Joined: 31/03/2008
Posts: 1163

Message Posted:
27/04/2008 19:29

hi roachie,



when I rented out property in the uk, since I was the landlord

I had my lettings agent spend weeks checking out their references.

drawing up contracts and getting deposits...

how did you first meet up with your two cypriot guys?

and what are "squaters"? it sounds like a digestive problem to me

reply awaited with interest



andre

Barrovian1



Joined: 16/11/2007
Posts: 95

Message Posted:
28/04/2008 04:56

Hi orangekazzie



At TBV if you went into the property let scheme with the developers KD. they guaranteed you a return of 5% a year for the next 2 years. We declined the offer and we got 7% off our purchase price.



Bob.

chrisnay


Joined: 30/03/2008
Posts: 43

Message Posted:
28/04/2008 08:42

What would happen if you just used your key and walked in with your bags and decided to stay, brazen them out, make life difficult from the inside of the propertty. Pack there bags and put them outside. I know that would be awkward, but they surely couldn't stop you living in your house. If they callled the police, what would happen, the owner must have the right to stay in their own property.



Its your property, if they started a fight adn the police came, you have the "deeds", or proof its your property, they are fighting you in your house, who would be arrested?



Just a thought.



Chris

orangekazzie



Joined: 31/07/2007
Posts: 1091

Message Posted:
28/04/2008 11:05

Hi Andre

thanks for responding. I was just curious as to how it all worked.

Cheers

Karen

andre 514


Joined: 31/03/2008
Posts: 1163

Message Posted:
28/04/2008 13:08

how did you get on roachie?



andre

jokers2theright


Joined: 18/02/2008
Posts: 174

Message Posted:
28/04/2008 15:34

roachie



Did you shoot the squatters and put them in a bag ready for refuse collection....or vice versa ???? you have gone quiet.......

phylray



Joined: 21/09/2007
Posts: 1727

Message Posted:
29/04/2008 03:15

I feel so sorry for you & have flat near you in TBV. It shouldn't be allowed to

happen.

andre 514


Joined: 31/03/2008
Posts: 1163

Message Posted:
29/04/2008 09:36

hi phylray,



so you think this guy is on the level?



mr roachie seems to have scuttled away under the furniture



er... my sincere apologies is he is for real



andre

Skogsy


Joined: 15/05/2008
Posts: 339

Message Posted:
15/05/2008 15:43

Guys and Gals

I am just back from a short visit to my place there and he does indeed exist. Nice bloke I may add. It has been a difficult period for him, understandably so, and I do hope that any anxieties he has dissipate very quickly.

He was fortunate that the place was not damaged or abused.

Skogs