Do the Negatives now outweight the Positives?

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
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Message Posted:
07/10/2009 09:09

Regarding the trnc - Do the Negatives now outweigh the Positives?



Stagnant Property Market.

Very few Tourists.

Interest rates falling.

The Dog situation.



To name but a few.



Are there any real positive signs for the future or is it all doom and gloom?

nurseawful



Joined: 06/02/2009
Posts: 5934

Message Posted:
07/10/2009 09:16

Even with our neighbour problem, we have made lots of good friends and met some interesting people. The weather is always going to be on the positive list, as is the lovely local fruit and veg. For me more positives than negatives.

sporty


Joined: 06/12/2007
Posts: 685

Message Posted:
07/10/2009 09:20

blimey no1,having a bad day eh?

negatives-most of the above you have no control over.

positives-get up,breath some fresh air,go for a walk in the knowledge that today is the first day of the rest of your life and you have complete control of what you do.Have a walk around a graveyard,the people 6ft down would love to have problems!!

elko2



Joined: 24/07/2007
Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
07/10/2009 09:32

Sporty,

I do not agree with you. Those 6 foot down have no worries at all.

ismet

jock1



Joined: 06/01/2008
Posts: 3786

Message Posted:
07/10/2009 09:41

elko, how do you know that ...........

greylag


Joined: 08/04/2009
Posts: 1110

Message Posted:
07/10/2009 09:47

Hasnt this type of thread been ran to death already,

Grey.

Hector


Joined: 26/08/2008
Posts: 2352

Message Posted:
07/10/2009 11:33

Unfortunately I don't exactly see a stampede to offer a counter opinion. Has the 'dream' moved on from having a place in the sun? Is the grass actually greener somewhere else or even back in the UK?

ROBnJO


Joined: 30/06/2008
Posts: 1289

Message Posted:
07/10/2009 11:50

I see the 'Top' Country to live in is now Norway.



Would you rather have pickled herrings, bobble hats and jumpers that Val Doonican would refuse to wear?





Give me the Med anytime!



Rob

girne 29


Joined: 06/12/2007
Posts: 1488

Message Posted:
07/10/2009 11:58

Hector,

You have got the counter argument. The fruit and veg is nice and the weather is good.For some that is enough to make the TRNC better than elsewhere,for others it is not. Its an argument that can go either way depending on individual circumstances.

If you are okay financially and have no problems with builders, lawyers,Govt etc,then sun and veg are a major consideration. Likewise if you do have problems then sun and veg are not enough.

jax47


Joined: 03/10/2008
Posts: 102

Message Posted:
07/10/2009 12:11

give me the sun anytime too RobnJo - I hate picked herrings and I just dont suit hats, bobble or otherwise............

Woodspeckie


Joined: 25/01/2009
Posts: 2263

Message Posted:
07/10/2009 12:15

Negative: The piled up rubbish on the lovely beaches, enough to put any tourist off, do you people who live there close your eyes to it, ok having the sun if you sit round the pool or on the balcony.

negativenick


Joined: 10/11/2008
Posts: 6023

Message Posted:
07/10/2009 12:17

mess 11 - my pet hate



Why the feck don't the authorities do summat about it ?

Woodspeckie


Joined: 25/01/2009
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Message Posted:
07/10/2009 12:26

Msg 12. Heckle the Mayor at his Christmas party.

AlexF065


Joined: 07/09/2009
Posts: 271

Message Posted:
07/10/2009 13:00

is there anything like the federation of small business or boy scouts girl guides?



Beach clearing should be organized by the hotels as if the place does not look clean folk might come once but never again, mind you here in GB many holiday places work on the same rip em off principle sad to say



Dogs is a problem of EDUCATION!!! once the population is educated it will change cos as sure as eggs are eggs you can blame the owners but NOT the dogs



Illegal dumping is also a matter of education and lazy authorities not enforcing laws that might well exist



so what can be done?

well its voluntary, but you never know if you do something moans about property laws ect might be listened to as you as a comunity are now seen to be putting somthing in as opposed to moaning just about yourselves?



Cats protection league here at home raise funds to nuter stray ferral cats could the same not be done to the dogs?

sorry not trying to teach how to suck eggs just tryinmg to help

sloan



Joined: 24/02/2009
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Message Posted:
07/10/2009 13:13

TRNC - warts and all - can't wait to get back! (Its warts ... not mine!)

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
07/10/2009 13:45

Regarding the 'dumping'. Why not get a group together and pick the rubbish up and dump it outsides the belediye office - or wiould that result in legal action?

ROBnJO


Joined: 30/06/2008
Posts: 1289

Message Posted:
07/10/2009 14:11

I hate the rubbish on the beaches as much as anyone, but I believe a major % is from rubbish 'washed' in from the Med rather than local dumping.



It certainly needs more action by the appropriate Belediye.



Having said that, it appears NC beaches are a lot more healthy than most in the UK, where there are frequent episodes of raw/untreated sewage as well as dumped rubbish.



I haven't yet heard of anyone contracting an infection from beach bactaria in NC, whereas we hear of them all the time in the UK.





p.s. Have you noticed that most of the washed up sandals are always from the right foot! Spooky! ;-)

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
07/10/2009 14:22

No1Doyen/Msg 16: 'Regarding the 'dumping'. Why not get a group together and pick the rubbish up and dump it outsides the belediye office - or wiould that result in legal action?'



Tai ho (Maori for 'whooa!'), there! Foreigners practically need a work permit to f*rt!



Why not use chain-gangs from the prisons?



These miscreants have offended against society - let them make atonement by cleaning up the highways, byways, beaches and 'picnic areas' while they're 'On holiday at the President's pleasure'!

StGeorgeI


Joined: 27/08/2009
Posts: 973

Message Posted:
07/10/2009 15:30

Things like litter and rubbish dumping are definately a case of educating the locals - and the only way you can do that is with a huge push from the Goverment as well as heavy fines for breaking the rules. As far as the beaches are concerned, I agree with ROBnJo MSG:17: Most of the rubbish on beaches is washed up from the sea - i was at a beach in Karsiyaka and there were Islamic cigarette boxes and carrier bags with turkish address's on. i know you get some dropped bottles etc. from local kids, but that does tend to be in certain places where they hang about at night.



The Fruit and Veg 'n' sun are obviously great things - but the island has so much more to offer like historic sites, great friendly locals, safety for women and children, lots of outdoor sports and activities, fantastic restaurants/bars etc etc.



We love it in N-Cyprus as much as we did when we arrived many years ago - Is the grass greener in the UK? Probably (but only because of all the bloody rain they get) ;o)

No1Doyen


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Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
07/10/2009 15:35

StGoerge..............."We love it in N-Cyprus as much as we did when we arrived many years ago - Is the grass greener in the UK? Probably (but only because of all the bloody rain they get) "



Thats funny ))

nurseawful



Joined: 06/02/2009
Posts: 5934

Message Posted:
07/10/2009 15:36

Never mind the beaches just look along the roadside. Hubby and I along with friends across the road often have to go along with bin bags and clear up all the rubbish. We used to think it was only mainland Turks that dropped it but on quite a few occasions this summer we caught holidaymakers dumping in the Olive Grove.

One nearly died of fright when I went in front of his car and threw his rubbish back in through the window!

Woodspeckie


Joined: 25/01/2009
Posts: 2263

Message Posted:
07/10/2009 15:55

The rubbish on Turtle Beach hadn't been washed up by the sea, it was dumped in bushes and behind rocks, consisted of corned beef tins, tuna fish tins, beer cans, vodka and beer bottles, there had been a BBQ and chicken and meat packages were there, and this is a conservation area?

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
07/10/2009 16:04

You only have to look at the BBQ sites to see the amount locxcal leave strewn all over the place even thjough they have rubbish bins xx

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
07/10/2009 16:36

Woodspecki, message 22........."consisted of corned beef tins, tuna fish tins, beer cans, vodka and beer bottles, there had been a BBQ and chicken and meat packages were there".....



Looks like Gary Mongers missus had been there to me! )

Woodspeckie


Joined: 25/01/2009
Posts: 2263

Message Posted:
07/10/2009 16:48

Yes and she had left 12 months rubbish there.

Mindy



Joined: 27/10/2008
Posts: 1210

Message Posted:
07/10/2009 19:31

My friend and neighbour is out on holiday at the moment and was out for a drive, she visited Aphrodites Beach which I think is passed Guzelyurt towards Lefke and was amazed to find hundreds of army boots discarded on the beach. Now I think this is just diabolical, the army should be detailed to clean beaches as and when possible and not help to rubbish it some more.

minertor



Joined: 14/02/2009
Posts: 1238

Message Posted:
07/10/2009 19:57

RobnJo: have you ever been to Norway. I was last there in '84 so it may have changed some. The only pluses I remember was that it was beautiful and almost litter free. If you like prawns they cost next to nothing.

There wasn't anything else in it's favour. If you could find a bar it was £5 entry and about the same for a pint. Whisky was about £45 a bottle, bread £1 a loaf. Matches!! I couldn't understand why they cost so much, seeing as how the place is covered in fir trees. At that time they had more alcohol and substance abuse problems than anywhere in Europe. The cost of living was so high it made tourism almost a no no. My mate and I, and our wives went camping. Came back from swimming to find the tent surrounded by locals and my mates wife in tears. They'd spotted the BFG plates on the car and called the police, who arrested my mates dog. What a job we had bailing the poor mutt out. Not one of my favourite memories of a so called friendly country.

HildySmith


Joined: 02/07/2009
Posts: 1708

Message Posted:
08/10/2009 00:59

Yesterday we had torrential rain all day, high winds blew the branches of the trees the day before yesterday. last night it was 0c so this morning I had to clear ice off my car before I could go out. Now it is p*****g down again.

mmmmmmmmm............ difficult to answer this one!!!!!

Chegwin


Joined: 24/03/2009
Posts: 775

Message Posted:
08/10/2009 09:29

The only thing that outweighs everything is Gary Mongers Missus!

Thought you’d have been on that NN.

The positive signs for the future, for me anyway, is that the tranquility of the out of town areas will hopefully remain and that the skies will stay clear and blue, the overall cost of living should remain relatively cheap and that the majority of folk on a day to day basis keep smiling.

There are many worse places and I for one am content, despite the challenges that pop up occasionally.





Chegs

Hector


Joined: 26/08/2008
Posts: 2352

Message Posted:
08/10/2009 12:14

Does anyone actually speak for the 'local' population? I mean are they happy with the litter situation for example? If so what right have others to complain about litter or clear it up? If they want to live in s...t then isn't that their right and others i.e. 'us' are therefore racist and failing to embrace diversity? Just a PC thought

girne 29


Joined: 06/12/2007
Posts: 1488

Message Posted:
08/10/2009 14:32

Hector



Can see your point ,if we chose to live in TRNC a ,then we have no right to change the local way of life as regards litter.

However to mitigate ,can it not be said that we were invited to invest or holiday in TRNC and some regard therefore could be taken of our views, in much the same way as you would treat guests in your home. A view does not have to be acted on but maybe taken into account.



I could turn the argument on its head and say that if I was a tourist ,whom you as a local have invited over to spend money ,then I have every right to complain about litter,especially if you have asked me to come on the back of the "unspoilt" slogan.



My TC neighbour complains about litter every bit as me , so its not a cultural thing.Its like corruption ,if allowed to continue ,it becomes a way of life regarded as normal. So maybe outsiders commenting is no bad thing,if just to drive home the message that littering is not necessarily the norm.

Geejay


Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 475

Message Posted:
08/10/2009 16:55

30 Years ago (circa for the pedants) the UK suffered from rubbish strewn about in the streets and shopping centres. It took a government campaign over several years to 'Keep Britain Tidy', provide waste bins and then impose swinging fines for littering. At least there is no chewing gum problem here.

The TRNC may be behind the curve by 30 years in some things but it is making some efforts in this direction. We have had soldiers and schoolchildren tidying beaches and roadsides and the Belediye's are employing roadsweepers. It's now a case of education, fines and a 'Keep the North Rubbish Free' campaign by the government.

Pipie


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
08/10/2009 22:08

We paid an Enviromental tax one year whch was a one off payment , now it is collected in our water charges so i think if we are paying for this we should expect some sort of attempt to clear rubbish from the council ,but fair doos Tatlisu appears to be kept quite clean compared with other parts of the island . Some owners on our complex take black bags down to the little fishing Marina and the beach and litter pick so all in all we all play our part .

joanie1


Joined: 25/07/2008
Posts: 164

Message Posted:
08/10/2009 22:12

Start with the children - bring back an equivalent to The Wombles - they did far more to educate Britain - through the children - making it fun to have a tidy locality .and scolding the adults for chucking their fag packets etc out of the cars. Who remembers Uncle Bulgaria!! You can impose massive fines for littering in big cities but in this tiny country who is going to carry out the letter of the law when it might be a family member who is guilty! Also when lemonade - corona etc came in glass bottles we got a refund for taking them back - but who wants plastic? I think the government and councils are doing their best here and think about what it costs us - we have almost daily collections of rubbish - we just have to be patient and give it time. Rome was not built in a day - yavas yavas!



Joan

Woodspeckie


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Message Posted:
08/10/2009 22:46

How much time do you need, I have been on holiday to NC for the last 6 years, nothing has improved about rubbish I would say it has got worse.

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
08/10/2009 23:19

i have a home on the essex /suffolk borders and travel from my home in london on a regular basis



and in the last 5 years the countryside has been littered with rubbish from fly tipping ,the quicker the



council remove it the quicker it piles up,so you see there really isn,t that much difference ,so negatives



or positives ,as far as rubbish is concerned both the uk and kktc are at the same place.



musin





long live the kktc

petez


Joined: 04/12/2008
Posts: 560

Message Posted:
09/10/2009 01:02

North Cyprus is a wonderful place.



Anyway, a wiseman once said, it's not where you are, it's where you're at.

AlexF065


Joined: 07/09/2009
Posts: 271

Message Posted:
09/10/2009 03:50

Litter brings Vermin which brings illness



Litter is an educational problem same as the dogs



It is true we had street litter and packs of Dogs in the uk a few years ago to solve the dog problem they had to be licenced all breeds.



we now as musim says have an illegal dumping problem due to the high charges imposed on builders ect to get rid of building rubbish and some councils now charging their residens to remove white goods and furnishings.

Problem is one of not enough heavy fines when the dumpers are caught and we have lots of cowboy builders who dont want to alert the building inspector by geting a permit to dump the rubbish !!

Corbo



Joined: 13/09/2009
Posts: 627

Message Posted:
09/10/2009 13:15

Petez.'.North Cyprus is a wonderful place.

Anyway, a wiseman once said, it's not where you are, it's where you're at. '



and that sums it up really. You cannot escape from yourself.

annie


Joined: 30/05/2007
Posts: 208

Message Posted:
09/10/2009 15:40

Hi Petez

Could not agree more on the UK rubbish it is only when you come across a clean and tidy city (There are a few everywhere) you notice how much is left lying around, may be its not as noticeable to some as its often spread around in the UK to avoid being fined.



I can not help wondering if people did not complain so much about being charged to go on the beach a lot more locals would take one on and clean it up.



I do not mind paying for a spot on a clean beach with FREE car parking.



I met up with family this summer for a day on the beach on the Kent coast. No facilities at all apart from a porta loo that had seen better days and it cost each of us £8.00 to park for 4 1/2 hours. (Oh and yes it was cold and wet for most of it)



Give me a friendly beach, lounger and bar with 99.9% chance of sunshine all for a few TL any day.



I am counting the days till I can come back to TRNC.

pilgrim



Joined: 11/05/2007
Posts: 1404

Message Posted:
09/10/2009 16:52

Personally don't worry about property prices or interest rates, not that bothered about lack of tourists apart from the need for them to keep tourist business alive, actually love the deserted beaches and uncrowded restaurants. Love weather, pool , peoples laid back approach. NC for me still positive. Some might call me a selfish bxxxxxx! probably right in some respects.

regards

p

Oleander


Joined: 03/05/2009
Posts: 302

Message Posted:
12/10/2009 19:03

The mountain of cans, bottles and other litter you can see from the viewpoint at Bellapaise was not washed up by the tide. It is even hanging in the trees. Looks as if it was tipped there from a huge lorry.



Recent tour of the entire panhandle coastline showed much the same at any beauty spot or pull in where you could enjoy a lovely view.



I assumed they cannot afford a 'street cleaning budget'. But, can't they utilise some of the tens of thousands of troops standing around all over the place to clear this up?