How much did we lose Mr Brown?

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
07/10/2009 18:05

Gold is now trading at $1,042 an ounce.



Exactly how much have we lost since Mr Brown sold off our gold reserves cheaply?



He sold 50% ( 400 tons)of the country’s gold reserves in May 1999. In April 2007 they were saying that his blunder had cost the country £2billion

He sold the Gold off at $256 an ounce. Today it is worth over a $1000 an ounce

That’s £billions – probably enough to wipe out a huge proportion of our national debt! I'm not a mathematician but surely someone can work it out.

wanderer


Joined: 05/02/2009
Posts: 1653

Message Posted:
07/10/2009 18:17

I'm sure it was" prudent "though

There was a brilliant cartoon of GB AD and Fred Goodwin (RBS) in kilts drunk with a title your moneys safe with us

But I'm sure that the other lot would have done the same

Vince Cable has been the only one talking "some" sense through this whole affair but his leader is just as daft as the other two so not much hope

PaulW



Joined: 20/07/2009
Posts: 651

Message Posted:
07/10/2009 18:25

Bill working it out on the American troy oz, (as the price is in dollars?) $ 9,169,999,476, that seems like quite a lot of money.



Paul

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
07/10/2009 18:28

Well Done Paul. $9billion lost, no doubt this may get mentioned at the tory conference!

Woodspeckie


Joined: 25/01/2009
Posts: 2263

Message Posted:
07/10/2009 21:13

Wait for the excuse from Coachie.

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
07/10/2009 23:42

did any of you clairvoyants over their know what was going to happen to gold prices after 1999? I dont think so.If you could forsee the future you would all be millionaires.Easy to shout your mouths off ten years after the event.Bet you were not doing to much shouting then when you were raking in the money.You Tory people got more faces than a town hall clock.Having been watching the Tory party conference,he may have over stepped himself with some of his proposals.I have a sneaking feeling this election has a long way to go yet,and is not as clear cut as he thinks it is,Cameron,that is.Lets wait and see.The Tories invented Incapacity Benefit to win the 92 election now he wants to make severe changes to it.He had better be care ful,it could just cost him the election on that point alone.Woodspeckie.. no "excuses" from me,he did what he thought was right at that time and and millions thought the same,thats why they got elected for another TWO terms,could not have been that bad then eh!!"

Hector


Joined: 26/08/2008
Posts: 2352

Message Posted:
08/10/2009 00:14

"Bet you were not doing to much shouting then when you were raking in the money.You Tory people got more faces than a town hall clock"



Err excuse me, who exactly was raking in the money? Sure as hell wasn't me. Couldn't possibly have gone to bribing oops, I mean 'investing' in Labour controlled areas...

Geejay


Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 475

Message Posted:
08/10/2009 15:27

Coachie......'no "excuses" from me,he did what he thought was right at that time and and millions thought the same,thats why they got elected for another TWO terms,could not have been that bad then eh!!"'.

Do you really think that Nu-Lab were re-elected twice on this one issue alone and 'millions' agreed with this gold sale ? If so you must be deluded.



'There is none so blind that cannot see'. You have been taken in three times...surely you won't be for a fourth. If you are, then your judgement is extremely suspect. We have been conned into unjustified wars, disruptive and unfair education policies, a law and justice system that is not fit for purpose and Financial mismanagement that has allowed the big banks to set their own rules.



This lying, cheating, tax & spend and undemocratic government is a disgrace and must go.

ROBnJO


Joined: 30/06/2008
Posts: 1289

Message Posted:
08/10/2009 16:00

When Brown sold our Gold reserves the price was at a decade low. Even a village idiot would not have done that.



His other 'Golden' move has been to raid Private Pension Funds of over £100Bn.



Yes £100 Billion!



Thats equivalent to robbing every Pension holder in the Private sector of £17,000.!!!



While pensions and retirement age in the Public sector and in Government,.................

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
08/10/2009 18:23

Well lets wait and see what the NEW saviour is going to provide us with??Lots of hot air and nothing else.I would sooner any government spend millions on keeping people in work as spend nothing,aka Cameron,and Co. zand let everything go down the tubes and put even more millions on the dole than there is now.Why are you people not politicians,you seem to have the answers to all our countries problems?



Roban joe..he was entitled to do what he did on the pensions.Pension funds were only allowed to keep enough money in there funds to meet their obligations,but some tried to con the government by hiding extra profits in their funds,and after being warned they carried on and were duly taxed.The Tory Finance act when they last were in power made it quite plain as to how much they were allowed to keep and if they had carried on in power they would have done exactly the same as labour did.I had a private pension and I got out after 25 yrs the projected amount that was forcast when I went in.

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
08/10/2009 18:40

Geejay..I am not deluded and millions did vote for them otherwise they would not have been re-elected.Then there was obviously a lot of "blind" people around for the last twelve years. Like I said he has not won this election yet..Love to see Gordon get reelected if only to give you lot severe heart palputations.Do you really think Cameron is going to change any of your complaints because if you do,then it is you who needs to go Specsavers.We have had the best results in our schools for pass rates in their exams for years,banks that are controlled by "brilliant Tory minds" IE.. line your own pockets and run,but I will agree the judicial system could do with a severe kick in the a..e.I only ever here Tories yelling about Labour when they are not making a packet out of their investments,or they are overtaxed on this and that.You all did a runner from the taxman and you still complain.Worry about the interest rates in the TRNC and leave Gordon to look after us.Long live the Labour Party..

Woodspeckie


Joined: 25/01/2009
Posts: 2263

Message Posted:
09/10/2009 12:25

Well if Gordon is re-elected I for one will be seriously thinking of leaving the Country, I dred to think of what will happen then, it's bad enough having to put up with things as they are, God help us please.

ROBnJO


Joined: 30/06/2008
Posts: 1289

Message Posted:
09/10/2009 15:24

Coachie



"I had a private pension and I got out after 25 yrs the projected amount that was forcast when I went in."



That smacks of 'Blow you Jack, I'm all right'.



Me?,... I've seen a massive amount taken from my personal pension by Labour.





GB actually changed the rules on pension funds to remove the allowances on re-invested bonus income that had existed for many years under both Tory and Labour Governments.



It was purely another 'Stealth Tax' of which GB is so fond.





I bet you wouldn't be so keen on Labour if you found they had decimated your pension just before your retirement.

littlejohn


Joined: 09/03/2009
Posts: 316

Message Posted:
10/10/2009 00:16

Woodspeckie - you would be sadly missed. It's people like you who have kept this country on the straight and narrow after the sad demise of the last tory regime. Keep up the good work !!!

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
10/10/2009 07:51

Coachie pour yourself another one..lol never said anything sensible on here yet.

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
10/10/2009 19:46

DC4..thats two us then....



Robnjo..Does not smell like that at all.Merely that my Pension fund waS OBVIOUSLY RUN IN THE RIGHT MANNER..It nearly went down the tubes till we were rescued by oil rich coiuntry who put i t back on track,but the perpertrater was not GB but the company itself.When they had too much in the pot ,they were ,along with other pension funds,told to take a payment holiday to reduce the pot level to the government limit(set by the Tory Gov.In there last financial paper).they duly obliged and had several holidays.The other companies obviously did not and were taxed to bring their pot level to the required amount to meet their obligations.This action is what you are all whingeing about,not that you would have got any of the excess,the bosses would have made sure of that.Pension schemes brought in by companies were never meant to be beneficial to the ordinary worker,but for the benefit of the bosses,who as you have all seen get a damned sight more outthan you do..

Corbo



Joined: 13/09/2009
Posts: 627

Message Posted:
11/10/2009 19:30

Well I got Gold rather than leave the money sitting in a bank and loosing value. I make no predictions but am cautiously optimistic that I did the right thing. It's a maverick investment and says you have little or no faith in the politicians and economists that run things. It fluctuates a lot but I thought about it for a bit and dived in for the longer ride not for the shorter gamble. I have NO faith in the economists and politicians..or indeed most investment advisors.

newscoop


Joined: 23/12/2007
Posts: 2197

Message Posted:
11/10/2009 23:58

See on the news today that MacBroon is going to flog off whats left of the family silver to prop up the public services.

The deluded oaf thinks he is going to raise £16billion.

With his record he'll probably get half of that.



C'mon coachie get the blinkers off.

newscoop


Joined: 23/12/2007
Posts: 2197

Message Posted:
12/10/2009 10:20

Coachie?



hello is anyone there?

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
12/10/2009 10:56

Brown's selling off some more assets to raise £16 billion. Thats peanuts compared to the national debt of almost £1 trillion.

lovingcyprus


Joined: 02/03/2007
Posts: 1272

Message Posted:
12/10/2009 11:57

When the Labour lot came to power in 1997 the finances of bthe UK were in excellent shape, now the country is bust and our credit rating on the international arena is lower than that of Nigeria.



Now doesn't that say something.

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
12/10/2009 16:30

loving cyprus..where did you get that info from??? 14% interest rates,3million on the dole and rising,so Major invented Invalidity Benefit to get people off the dole register.They did not loose the election because the country was in first class shape,exactly the opposite.The same will happen to GB no doubt,because of the state of the economy.The people of this country can be very fickle at times,but they are not downright stupid as you are suggesting.



Newscoop..we are here but not 24/7.Like I have just said on another thread,whats the big deal about selling those items.The Tunnel rail link is millions in debt,so I would have thought you would have welcome that decision.As for the others,why does the government own them any way.Thought private enterprise is what you tories believe in!!

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
12/10/2009 17:04

Coachie, lovingcyprus is correct about the financial stability of Britain being lower than that of Nigeria. Have a look at this: http://www.ifaonline.co.uk/ifaonline/news/1558063/britain-sinks-nigeria-financial-stability-ratings

ROBnJO


Joined: 30/06/2008
Posts: 1289

Message Posted:
12/10/2009 17:17

Here we go again!



Brown selling off anything he can at rock bottom prices of the market!



Let's be honest here,..



Whatever the Tories make,..



Labour sells off for peanuts!

clarets



Joined: 08/01/2009
Posts: 752

Message Posted:
12/10/2009 21:06

Coachie,we all know that the people with lower educational attainments voted for Labour.That is why they have dumbed down the educational system, so that there are a lot more idiots.......simples!

Woodspeckie


Joined: 25/01/2009
Posts: 2263

Message Posted:
12/10/2009 21:18

Mr Brown to repay £12,300 he claimed for cleaning, gardening and painting & decorating.

clarets



Joined: 08/01/2009
Posts: 752

Message Posted:
12/10/2009 21:20

How much do you think he and Teflon Tony ought to pay for F****g the entire UK ?

Turtle


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
12/10/2009 21:58

Coachie Msg 22



Check your figures me owd pal...............Labour came to power in 97 when intrest rates were 6% and unemployment was 1.8m



Stop fibbing

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
12/10/2009 23:33

Clarets..your insults no longer bother me,but for a so called doctor I think you are an arrogant arsehole.Hows that for being of lower educational standard.A bigger self righteuos pompous clown I have yet to meet.No doubt you will be threatening me with your 6ft 5 in 17stone supreme body.I can understand why certain elements in Cyprus would love to get their hands on you.If they have dumbed down the education system how come we have had the best educational result s for years.You obviously dislike me as much as dislike you so I think I will end on that note...

newscoop


Joined: 23/12/2007
Posts: 2197

Message Posted:
13/10/2009 01:30

Coachie;



I've been called a lot of things in my time, BUT TORY?



Never in my life have I voted for them, but unlike you I look at the UK political scene with eyes wide open.



McBroon, Dearling, Bliar, and Zanulabor, are traitors to the socialist cause and it's obviously voters from the handout heartlands that keep them in power.



Where are you from again?

clarets



Joined: 08/01/2009
Posts: 752

Message Posted:
13/10/2009 11:14

Coachie.....your ignorance is surpassed only by your paranoia ! How did you know I was talking about you.....I only addressed a generic comment to you NOT AT you.Again your lack of education gives the game away. Children have been told they have the best results for years ! That does not mean that they ARE the best results for years. I am reliably informed by my children and also educational assessors alike that things are so dumbed down now that the paper something is written on is a more valid qualification,rather than WHAT is written on it! Talking out of your rectum,does not make you right Coachie,it just means you speak with hallitosis!

clarets



Joined: 08/01/2009
Posts: 752

Message Posted:
13/10/2009 11:19

Coachie.....I dont dislike you.....I feel sorry for you.As for certain people in Cyprus wanting to get their hands on my 6'5",17 stone "supreme body",as you call it....I am flattered indeed.I hadn't got you as a "fishing from the other bank" type....you little sauce-pot !

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
13/10/2009 13:25

Firstly ..I whole heartedly agree with GB having to pay back his fiddled expenses along with rest of them.



Newscoop..After reading some of your comments about the labour party any one would naturally assume you were Tory. I appologise for that wrong assumption.By the way I do look at politicians of all parties with interest and eyes wide open and I do not like what I see about Dell boy Cameron and Rodney Osbourne.Two of the biggest yahoos the university system ever let loose...Wait and see!!!



Clarets it is not so long ago that you were insulting my labour education,if I remember rightly you threatened me with violence because I said "your father had some daft ideas about Socialism" that he was instilling in you when you were younger.Your msg 28 is the biggest insult you have come out with so far.There are more educationally qualified people than you who voted for Labour and there were a lot of dumbed down idiots who vote Tory.. The comments about your body are your own..

clarets



Joined: 08/01/2009
Posts: 752

Message Posted:
13/10/2009 17:48

Coachie....you really are getting touchy about yourself. Your labour education does its own insulting.....I don't need to do that! I had a comprehensive education under the rules a failing labour government put down,and managed to become educated despite it and not because of it! Lets face it Coachie......you've got to be decerebrate to vote for your lot, and it doesn't take too much to work out why they are trying to dumb everyone down to their level. When morons vote in large numbers......voila ! .......a labour government!

ps I never threatened you with violence.....if I had, you wouldnt be talking about it now!

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
13/10/2009 19:25

Clarets..Then according to you there are a few million morons in this country,and onlyTories are educated.

Ps..but you did threaten to pay me a call and sort me out for alledgedly in sulting your father,or does your memory not go back that far.In even the dumbest of educated people that is threatening behaviour,and coming from an educated doctor,most un becoming dont you think old chap..Well I suppose some of your children must come into the dumb down level because they are being educated under Labour educational policies.I should do something about that,they may grow up and vote Labour,god for bid,or are you following in your fathers footsteps.So if the tories win the next election it is because every one has been dumbed down through Labour educational policies.I should stand as an MP if I were you on that mandate and see if you get elected".Vote for me you dumb lot and I will cure you of you afflictions".....

clarets



Joined: 08/01/2009
Posts: 752

Message Posted:
13/10/2009 21:32

Coachie.....many thanks for the ramblings of insanity! You really have lost the plot....I expect the Tories to win the next election,because the thinking majority have no other viable option. My children wouldn't vote labour if they were dumb enough to,as they are all well educated in selective schools,gained by natural selection(see Charles Darwin)! Something you would know nothing about as labour policies fly in the face of natural selection. Like I said......the threat of violence was in your tiny mind and not real.Had it been real,you would not be here to talk about it now. Like my Dad always says....education will always win,and that is why you will always lose!

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
13/10/2009 21:50

RE msg 36, clarets: (...) Like my Dad always says....education will always win,and that is why you will always lose! (...)

=> Your father told you that? I couldn't agree more. You should have listened, "doctor" clarets...

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
13/10/2009 22:14

Clarets but on your statements they cannot possibly win because there are too many of us dummies around to let that happen,after allmillionzs of us have been dumbed down by their education policies.Wrong again,I have no objections to people taking their kids to whatever school they like.State education is there for those who cannot afford private.Natural selection was available when I was at school only we could not afford it.Being a highly paid GP with seven kids I would not expect anything else from you really.As for the violence threat,it was real at the time you made it because several members on here commented on it and you also made the same to a certain other member whose reply to you was "the bigger they are the heavier they fall"And if I would not be here to talk about it where do you think you would be...I may be old and a bit uneducated according to you,but I dont forget things very easily.Darwin ,isnt that in Lancashire as well as Australia...

lovingcyprus


Joined: 02/03/2007
Posts: 1272

Message Posted:
13/10/2009 22:18

Coachie



Your Labour friends are a load of hipocrites (not sure of the correct spelling) they slag off the Tories because some of them went to Eton but many of them including Ed Ballsup had a privileged education and all these clowns seek to deny others. How pathetic are they.



Also your mate Gordon just cannot say the word SORRY. Look at the cockup he made over abolishing the 10% tax band, many many low earners are worse off, has he said SORRY for making you worse off, NO he hasn't.



Gordon single handed has completely wrecked the UK private pension system whick used to one of the best in the EU and now look at it. Only Civil Servants etc etc will be able to retire with a decent pension



Roll on May 2010 so that we can get rid of this bunch of clowns. I admit that on the face of it the Tories might not be any better, but for goodness sake lets give them a try, they will not be any worse than Gordon and his deadbeats.

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
13/10/2009 22:34

Loving cyprus..I have admitted on more than one occasion that Gordon Brown has made mistakes,the 10ptax was one of them,as for pensions I have already made my views quite clear on them before now.I do not expect him to say sorry for any of his decisions, after all that was why he was asked to take over after Blair left.I might have lost a couple of quid by him abolishing the 10p tax but I take the good with the bad.I do not hear any of the state pensioners moaning about the 10pound rise they had not many months ago.If you are not satisfied with how the country is run, go and live somewhere that is better and leave us to get on with problems we have here.

littlejohn


Joined: 09/03/2009
Posts: 316

Message Posted:
14/10/2009 03:11

Have to agree coachie, Clarets and his friends, whilst being obviously educationally superior, betray a lack of wisdom which would indicate to me that they are not what they claim - in terms of profession etc....!!! And dcyprus, lovingcyprus and woodspeckie - like something out of a second rate soap opera - unbelievable!!

clarets



Joined: 08/01/2009
Posts: 752

Message Posted:
14/10/2009 10:16

Coachie....you are the nemesis of wit,intellect and humour.Again....you have missed the point.Natural selection is about the cream rising to the top.......not paying for it.....Moron ! Passing exams to get where we need to be is THE selective process....not affordability.I pay through the nose for ALL my children and hefty taxes to a bunch of freeloaders to boot. Dont preach to me from a position of ignorance!

Littlejohn by name and Littlejohn by brain capacity.....I assume. I had more wisdom the moment I emerged from my mothers womb, than you will accrue in 10 lifetimes!

clarets



Joined: 08/01/2009
Posts: 752

Message Posted:
14/10/2009 10:22

DC...get back in your bigotted hole and stay there. You ave nothing constructive to say,so keep it shut!

smoggyjim


Joined: 21/07/2007
Posts: 214

Message Posted:
14/10/2009 10:36

If Gordon Brown thought he would win the next election he would have called one before now, and also give us a say on the EU with a referendum, none of us voted him in as Prime Minister and the decent thing would have been to call an election to see if the country wanted him.

come_on_aylin


Joined: 14/06/2008
Posts: 908

Message Posted:
14/10/2009 11:23

In all the arithmetic (dodgy or otherwise) did anyone factor in that money halves every ten years in buying power.



i.e. the money that you would get today would be worth half of what it was ten years ago. So at least double the original figure add interest and then compare with today's value for gold... which I grant you is exceedingly high.



If you don't believe me compare your salary with that of ten years ago...



Economic history shows this trend throughout the post-First World War period right up to today. That's why your Grandfather was able to buy a house for 120 GBP and a suit for ten shillings!

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
14/10/2009 11:35

I remember my first weeks wages - Three Pounds, fourteen shillings and six pence. I used to give my Mum £2 pounds a week out of that.

clarets



Joined: 08/01/2009
Posts: 752

Message Posted:
14/10/2009 12:43

I remember my first wage too......I was paid less than the hospital cleaners as a junior doctor,because of all the hours we used to do......it was around the £2:00 / hour mark.....them were the days ! Beer was only 35p/pint though!

geronimo


Joined: 30/08/2009
Posts: 296

Message Posted:
14/10/2009 12:58

And the idiot is wanting to sell off a load more of our stuff DURING A RECESSION! What a brain this guy must have!

lovingcyprus


Joined: 02/03/2007
Posts: 1272

Message Posted:
14/10/2009 14:26

littlejohn



What an appropriate name for a Labour supporter are you sure your profile is correct your loction surely is Sherwood Forest!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and not Bedfordshire

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
14/10/2009 17:27

Clarets..I know what natural selection is you moron.when I was at school and you passed the eleven plus ,which I did,my parents could not afford the uniforms and travelling expenses for me to go to the Grammar School.As for the cream coming to the top in your case it has gone a trifle sour.You are so full of your own self importance and arrogance,I would not even attempt to preach to you.I doubt if there is such a person on this planet that could do that to you.I asked some members of my family to look at your photograph and some of your posts.Then I asked them what do you think his profession is...Answer ..Football hooligan.When I said you were a GP,they laughed and said I was joking,and two of my children are as old as you.If you project that sort of image to other people,I hope others dont take you as a model of the medical profession. As has been said by others on here ,you may be better educated than I but you are sadlylacking in common courtesy...

ROBnJO


Joined: 30/06/2008
Posts: 1289

Message Posted:
14/10/2009 18:16

Hey! Come on folks.



Lay off Gordon Brown, he's a complete amateur at losing money!



Remember the Millenium Dome? Tony Blair's and Peter Mandelson's baby?



That eventually cost the Taxpayer £6 billion!



They sold (actually gave away!) the venue to the US group AEG, who have turned it into the most profitable major venue in the world.



The rest of the area was sold, again for peanuts, to Lend Lease and Quintain, who have made mega money from development and will do for decades.



Now Trinity College Cambridge, surprisingly a major UK landowner, has bought the 999 yr lease for the O2 for £24m, getting near £1m pa in rent from AEG.



Nice to see though that good old Socialist Tony Blair has got a 12 day a year part time job with a bank for £2.5m pa. Obviously outdoing the 'Gravy Train' duo the Kinnocks.



Remember Kinnock,... "We're all right,... We're all right!"



Yeah! Bloody right!





Don't you just love these caring 'Socialists'!

clarets



Joined: 08/01/2009
Posts: 752

Message Posted:
16/10/2009 12:21

Coachie,Coachie,Coachie......your ignorance scales new heights. You actually asked your children to look at a photograph of me to guess my profession ! I am not surprised, and I suppose I admit to being a little flattered.

I had no idea you held me in such high esteem.....showing my pictures to members of your family, you naughty boy!! When exactly did "football hooligan" become a profession ?.Have your children got a degree in this ? I suppose not because there are no football teams in Port Vale ! They judge books by their cover ......like their father. To use hooligan phraseology...."yer Mums yer Dad.....yer Dad's yer Mum....yer interbred"...............you know!

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
16/10/2009 14:12

You may insult Port vale as much as you like but they have been in the football league a damn site longer than Burnley and have a longer history in the game than your outfit. Hold you in high esteem!! what planet do you live on??I think a king cobra would get more respect from me than you do. An MD you say you are,I suppose it takes all sorts to make the world go round,pity you did not faLL OFF THE EDGE IN THE PROCESS.Yes you can judge a book by its cover as you say, only thing is I try not read horror stories.My wifes brother is like you ,unfortuneately,All education and no manners or sense of values.He is more educated than you actually,but yes, he is not quite as rude as you.Well iI must be alittle better than the saying you quote,because I have never heard it before,and if I had I would not stoop so low as to say a persons family is interbred.Try looking at your own background and life before you insult any one else.I have been married 46 yrs which is more than you can say.

clarets



Joined: 08/01/2009
Posts: 752

Message Posted:
16/10/2009 17:12

Coachie...once again you illuminate our dark days with blinding,uneducated trash !

Burnley are a founder member of the football league.......so which football league have Port Vale been in longer than Burnley? Is it the Beezer Homes league or something of utter unimportance! Your brother-in-law obviously makes you feel ill at ease,and insignificant and presumably that is why you deprecate him in the safety of cyberspace. To compare our relative educational merits from the point of your ignorance is folly, however, and meaningless. You are an uneducated oaf and a silly old fool, to boot ! You making comments about something you have no understanding of, makes you the laughing stock of forums, such as this. I am capable of looking at my short-comings, but you cannot see past the end of your own rhinophimatous nose( you will need to look that up again!) Please pass on my condolences to your long suffering wife-she deserves all the sympathies a person can bestow !

clarets



Joined: 08/01/2009
Posts: 752

Message Posted:
16/10/2009 17:30

Coachie.....you say you have been married 46 years , but your children are my age. Had them out of wed-lock did we ? Did you go for the "shot-gun wedding".....you know what they say......."marry in haste.....repent at leisure!"

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
16/10/2009 18:52

I actually said around your age,if your info is to be believed.You have need to talk about wedlock,you are not even married so who is living on the other side of the blanket then.you already have on that you accuse me of having .Got any more in the cupboard..That statement is a good one come from you, and if your first wife left you,I can certainly understand why.As for my brother in law,he knows exactly what I think of him and he certainly does not phase me in any wave shape or form,nor do you.It must really make you feel big and important to try and orally destroy me,but you will have to try a little harderDoc, been around alot longer than you,you bounce off me like water off a ducks back.The one thing I have found out from this is that if you are an example of our medical profession,you have set it back 20years,or should that be 200yrs.I have great respect for doctors and nurses but you do not deserve to be called "doctor".Ps Port Vale were one of the founder members of the FA.

ROBnJO


Joined: 30/06/2008
Posts: 1289

Message Posted:
16/10/2009 18:58

Bill



???

clarets



Joined: 08/01/2009
Posts: 752

Message Posted:
16/10/2009 19:12

No Coachie.........Port Vale were not actually one of the co-founders of the Football League ! Burnley are....so you are wrong again ! How many times can you be wrong before admitting to being an obstinate idiot. Sounds to me like brother-in-law has you sussed out and you feel insignificant in his company......better to spout off Bull**** in cyberspace,where people dont know you, huh ?Port Vale were one of the co-founders of the Football League second division and NOT one of the original FL members ! Your dementia is definitely getting the better of you....I can advise about a good doctor if you want !

Turtle


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
16/10/2009 21:28

Anyway Bill,............gold is up again to $1053 per ounce !

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
16/10/2009 21:30

You reccomend a good doctor.Hope he is better than you.No dementia just the wrong club,Should have said Stoke City..I admit your club had a better record than The Vale,and yes i was wrong on my statement that they were founders of the FA,it should have said Stoke city and Vale were founder members of the second division.Perhaps I am the only person that believes doctors behaviour should be exemplary at all times,If things have changed that much in the medical profession things must be really bad.You may think I have dementia,but I am convinced you have a Jekyll and Hyde complex,nice to your patients and an absoluteSh..to any one who does not support your theory that all Socialists are,illigitimate,interbred,ill educted,scroungers,and total morons.Well if you are an example of Tory upbringing, then this country is even in a worse state than even Gordon Brown could ever make it.You have totally convinced me that I could never vote Tory if my life depended upon it. Bye Bye for Now

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
16/10/2009 21:32

Turtle ...can you get me 4oz and make sure its pure!!!

Turtle


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
16/10/2009 21:41

Coachie, with your pension I bet you could afford a lorry load.......ha ha

clarets



Joined: 08/01/2009
Posts: 752

Message Posted:
17/10/2009 00:06

Coachie......but your life does depend on it.........Gordon(is a moron) has wrecked the NHS as well as the educational establishments of the country. My children will be paying for his imbecillic handling of the treasury, for decades to come. There is more chance of Hell freezing over than anyone with any intellect, voting for labour. You assume I am voting Tory....wrong again monsieur Alzheimer. At least all my children will work hard and pay their way......we bring them up in the good old values of right wing politics, and not to sponge until the pips squeak,as those of the uneducated left do !

Woodspeckie


Joined: 25/01/2009
Posts: 2263

Message Posted:
17/10/2009 00:23

Hope they are being brought up to respect older people too.

clarets



Joined: 08/01/2009
Posts: 752

Message Posted:
17/10/2009 08:00

Yes they are Woodspeckie...... just not the silly old fart variety!

lovingcyprus


Joined: 02/03/2007
Posts: 1272

Message Posted:
17/10/2009 15:12

Coachie



Your message 6 the Tories invented Incapacity Benefit to win the 1992 election, how about this.



In 1997 when Labour came to power there were 67,000 claiming Incapacity Benefit this has now soared to 2.6 million costing the country £12.5 billion a year.



If Incapacity Benefit is such a bad thing as you seem to imply why haven't Labour done anything about it in the last 12 years. I think I know why and you do it is to keep the unemployment figures down!!!!!!!!!!!!

Woodspeckie


Joined: 25/01/2009
Posts: 2263

Message Posted:
17/10/2009 15:18

lovingcyprus. You are right and getting so many to go to University keeps the young unemployed figures down too and gets them into debt.

lovingcyprus


Joined: 02/03/2007
Posts: 1272

Message Posted:
18/10/2009 12:23

Woodspeckie



I'd forgotten about more going to University, that was an excellent point

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
18/10/2009 19:09

Lovingyprus and woodspeckie, this lot are even talking of putting the school leaving age up to blinking 18! thats more folks to be kept of the actual figures!!



Coachie baby, you aint still a fan of Gorgon are you, for gods sake LOOK at what he's going to do now, sell off our other assets, still not forgiven him re the gold sell off, nobody in their right minds sells when its rock bottom, just brainless, tatally brainless and he still thinks he's blameless! I think its time we all left GB!!



Clarets its good to have you back, debating, at least you get the old brain cells working, but do be kinder to our coachie, ..... lol

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
18/10/2009 22:07

Dizzy.. thanks for your concern about my well being,but I never said I was A fan of Gordon Brown or Tony Blair.I am a Socialist so I accept who is the leader of my Party,elected or not.Like I have said before ,if the Chairman of the Board of a company resigns,it is the other board members who elect his successor not the workforce.A sfor the gold sell off ,its very easy to shout about it 3yrs after it happened,especially with gold at the price it is now.One thing he is not is a clairvoyant. I would have thought youwould have supported the sale of the Channel Tunel with the debt that it has hanging round its neck,as for the Dartford Crossing,I would think that still has some way to go to be profitable,or maybe it is profitable I really dont know.It really amazes me how you all Blame Gordon Brown for all the ails in this country,suppose if it snows next week it will be his fault.

IF you want to go there is nobody stopping you and take the "doc" with you.Cameron aint going to change it...

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
18/10/2009 22:36

Well for once I think you are right about Cameron not being able to change things, we are in so b----y deep its going to take fricking years of real hard slog and its going to be a simply terrible task! Gorgon was chastised for selling that gold, and yes I do blame this lot for one hell of a mess that has been 'hidden' from the normal voters as yourself. You only had to see/watch how much he was borrowing in the past 10 years, no way could we pay back this money as things were going, it doesnt take Einstein to work this out now does it. If every one in the country has a dept of over 20k each, and these folks never ever had a nine to five job, or even worked how were the banks etc ever going to keep going? Gorgon has spent spent and spent without looking far enough ahead. Blind or what!!

So if it snows next week coachie, I will blame him as I bet his b----y councils wont be ready for it!!....

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
18/10/2009 22:52

We are bankrupt, it is getting very serious when the IMF tells us to get our dept down coachie, can you not comprehend what all this intails, ...for every one of us? lol xx

littlejohn


Joined: 09/03/2009
Posts: 316

Message Posted:
19/10/2009 02:45

Clarets if you really are a doctorI am amazed !!. Most of the other unfortunates who contribute to this forum could be written off as "Daily Mail" readers but I would expect a higher level of input from a doctor!!??

Jeannie


Joined: 04/08/2009
Posts: 3283

Message Posted:
19/10/2009 03:08

littlejohn - I would put (big) money on the fact that Mr Clarets is, in fact, a Doctor. Why would you think otherwise? Doctors are just people who happen to do "doctoring" (for want of a better word) for a living. They are, of course, at the end of the day, just people like you and I, although, purportedly, much cleverer than the rest of us mere mortals. Re: Your opinion is that you would expect a higher level of input from a Doctor. Why would you, and others on this Forum, think that just because he is a Doctor, he does not have views on things, just as the rest of us have? Why do people think he should have reverent, holier-than-thou viewpoints on everything? You also quote "most of the other unfortunates who contribute to this forum". I assume, then, that you feel most of the people who contribute to this forum are, in fact, "unfortunates". If this is the case, I can only assume (again) that you include your goodself in that number? Please do not take (cont'd)

Jeannie


Joined: 04/08/2009
Posts: 3283

Message Posted:
19/10/2009 03:15

co- nt'd



do not take the impression that I think Doctors are Gods - far from it. I have worked for the NHS for many years and I do not believe I am labouring under any illusions. However, what I have found is that (most) Doctors are, believe it or not, human beings, with the same trials and tribulations (again - spelling?) as the rest of us (except they earn much more money, at the end of the day )



This is not to have a pop at anyone - least of all littlejohn - just my thoughts (and experience).



J

Corbo



Joined: 13/09/2009
Posts: 627

Message Posted:
19/10/2009 10:43

Haven't people worked it out yet?! The boom of the last decade or so was a Ponzi scheme..a fraud. To want this back is insane. All this media puerile hype about recovery when markets are up briefly and when a bank makes a profit on a dubious balance sheet is very short term ism and false. Sustained business success built on creating trade and things that are needed show recovery. Long term reliable jobs coming back show recovery. We are soon to enter a far more serious chapter in this recession. The debt can only be wiped out be hyper inflation or war..other wise it's years of austerity for many. Invented money and OUR taxes have paid for these dead cat bounces. It's all rather sad news on the economic/political front and people should start getting angry soon. Scratch the surface and the underlying foundations are sand. I cannot see the Tories changing much but I guess they will at least start to sort the economic mess.

lovingcyprus


Joined: 02/03/2007
Posts: 1272

Message Posted:
19/10/2009 10:58

littlejohn



I guess you are a Daily Mirror reader thats assuming you can read

ilovecyprus


Joined: 08/05/2007
Posts: 2880

Message Posted:
19/10/2009 10:58

msge 76



Great post corbo. The illusionary financial markets are making a few people extremely rich, but the rest of us are going to be suffering for a long time. The bigger the bubble (Ireland, Iceland, Latvia) the bigger the fall. The banketrs etc benefit from hyper inflation but Jo public has not seen any inflationary benefits, hence he/she can't clear his/her debt. We have got to find another way to live.

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
19/10/2009 11:37

Yes Corbo and ilovecyprus, its very serious, and you only have to see how fast these countries fell into a big black hole. Only last year Latvia had hospitals/businesses all going quite well, now they have the hospitals closing, jobs for people at £100 a month with accommodation, some are even taking jobs just for food and housing. And they are in the EU! The general public dont really think it can happen here,..... its not that far off! Their old age pensions have been cut, heating and electric only for a while, no dole, perhaps this is what should happen here, it would solve a lot of the single mums problems. Going back to live with their own parents etc.

As corbo has stated, only a war could sort out this one holly mess we are in,and is going to get worse.....

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
19/10/2009 11:41

Coachie baby, what you on? msg 70. Saying take the doc with you....... crikey, got enough blokes in my life that give me grief, dont want another! lol xx

Woodspeckie


Joined: 25/01/2009
Posts: 2263

Message Posted:
19/10/2009 12:01

dizzycows. Now you re going to upset Coachie again talking about single mum problems, he jumps down my throat when I have said they clog the shops up in town meeting up with their mates, no job so get a baby and benefits and a council house to go with them.

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
19/10/2009 12:11

Ha ha ha ha Woodspeckie, he just loves us really you know. We got to keep him on his toes or he will fall asleep!! lol

Woodspeckie


Joined: 25/01/2009
Posts: 2263

Message Posted:
19/10/2009 12:43

dizzycows. He must still be in bed.

ROBnJO


Joined: 30/06/2008
Posts: 1289

Message Posted:
19/10/2009 13:42

ILC msg 78



" but Jo public has not seen any inflationary benefits, hence he/she can't clear his/her debt."



Not strictly true.



Under the current rates, millions of homeowners have been reducing debt, especially those on Trackers from pre 2008 (about 4 m of them I believe).



The 'Savings' ratio has recently climbed to it's highest for 7 years.



Net Mortgage Redemptions, full or partial, are also at a recent high.



I also believe that unsecured debt, i.e. C Card and Personal Loan balances are reducing.



Jo Public seem to be responding by reducing debt,..... while Gordon Brown is in a big hole and digging, digging,...... ? ;-(



Rob

ilovecyprus


Joined: 08/05/2007
Posts: 2880

Message Posted:
19/10/2009 13:56

msge 84



Thanks for the update robnjo



Nice to know that jo public is responding despite the government

Corbo



Joined: 13/09/2009
Posts: 627

Message Posted:
19/10/2009 14:57

I think you are correct Rob..the public are ahead of the politicians on this one and know the reality..those in charge seem to want to borrow more and more and live on credit and debt. It's amazing really!

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
19/10/2009 19:32

Woodspeckie/ dizzycows..Do you eally think that situation is going to change I.e.young mothers..under Cameron or anyone else.Its all very well to shout that they should be out looking for work but there is not the work about or had you not noticed that.Its not just 16 yr olds who are doing what you say ,but all age groups of females up to 25.Like I said its not guaranteed that you get a council house,after all the Tories sold them all off.Not all of them are on there own either.Quite a few are supported by their families and boyfriends,so lets not atr them all with the same brush eh!!

clarets



Joined: 08/01/2009
Posts: 752

Message Posted:
19/10/2009 19:33

Well said Jeannie ! Just mere mortals along with everyone else. We are entitled to our opinions too......its just that some folk think we shouldn't express them in non-medical forums.

Littlejohn by name and presumably by cerebral capacity.......I am a Doc and whats more.....I train the younger end of my profession too!

lapta29


Joined: 09/10/2009
Posts: 88

Message Posted:
19/10/2009 19:44

same old bar stewards always cheating doc....... I said we should take the roof off again but jimmy fingers and norman jones said they could not get up there now !!



Him next door that like ribs .

Woodspeckie


Joined: 25/01/2009
Posts: 2263

Message Posted:
19/10/2009 19:50

OK Coachie. perhaps they don't get a Council house but they can get a house and go to claim housing benefit to pay for it, I know this is a fact, some flats built just outside our village full of single Mums not working how do they get money to pay the rent of £400 per month?

clarets



Joined: 08/01/2009
Posts: 752

Message Posted:
19/10/2009 20:23

Hi Nige......like you say! Coming over on Saturday,if you fancy a catch up some night next week. Norman was at the United game at the Turf.....he had his hands around both Fabio Capello and also Sir Bobby....bloody good security!

clarets



Joined: 08/01/2009
Posts: 752

Message Posted:
19/10/2009 20:24

WS Msg 90, you could argue that they are being paid for being horizontal!

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
19/10/2009 20:26

Woodspeckie , The Social of course! there is plenty of jobs going but these young mothers and youngsters dont like WORK, ...fullstop. Just hang in there and we might just see them to glad to get work to pay for their food etc.



What the heck are you on Lapta29? is that cocknie or something? us southerners do not get the jist of it.

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
19/10/2009 20:34

Clarets you are very right there, perhaps these young girls will then start to put their brain in gear!!!

Think most of us tax payers are sick to death with this scrounging society thats taken over our country......

clarets



Joined: 08/01/2009
Posts: 752

Message Posted:
19/10/2009 20:43

How right you are DC....careful though,you might incur the wrath of Coachie.....we are supposed to keep funding these Socialist scroungers, and keep smiling about it!

clarets



Joined: 08/01/2009
Posts: 752

Message Posted:
19/10/2009 20:49

How right you are DC....careful though,you might incur the wrath of Coachie.....we are supposed to keep funding these Socialist scroungers, and keep smiling about it!

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
19/10/2009 21:25

I suppose you would have them exterminated......You are not the only one who has paid taxes in their working lifetime.I really think you would have been top dog working for Hitler in his extermination camps.If they have beliefs or do not come up to your standards get rid of them.You are so full of the brown stuff it is now coming out of your mouth now.Just keep breeding doc and claim your wack of the social system,could be nice little earner for you.Could even pay your mortgage on your Cyprus pad.See Burnley got their arses kicked again,shame..No doubt you were there in your football hooligan out fit...



I apologise to the board and the readers for some of my comments about this person but after what he has had to say about my family and me I felt I had to respond in some form.If you feel I should be banned then so be it.

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
19/10/2009 21:34

Ha fiddlesticks, what annoys me is that society, as in the youngsters and a lot of the socialists seem to think that the govn is responsible for housing them, feeding them, paying them, all from some one elses pocket! its just plain theft..... as far as Im concerned most out there can work, a lot just lack the pride which most of us had years ago. It is so lacking today.....Also we were brought up by our parents not to scrounge, today they take it for granted that society owes them.....

lovingcyprus


Joined: 02/03/2007
Posts: 1272

Message Posted:
19/10/2009 21:36

I wonder why Coachie hasn't responded to message 66.



I think we all know why except of course littlejohn don't we

Turtle


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
19/10/2009 21:49

The problem with a lot of socialists is that they think this country owes them a living but a point of fact it owes them nothing.

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
19/10/2009 22:48

Coachie, we dont want you or any one banned man, its nothing to get excited about, worse happens at sea as they say. .Just getting a little heated thats all.

Please can you respond to msg 66, we are awaiting your views ..

Its nothing to do with Hitler, or his extermination camps. But I can see that most of society would be better off putting all the ones on the dole, on the social, ones defrauding the benifit system on a one way ticket bound for the moon... I just have no time for the likes of these people.



Turtle oh so true.

hattikins


Joined: 17/02/2008
Posts: 2793

Message Posted:
19/10/2009 23:12

This post has some very personal remarks, offensive references , outstanding arrogance and total ignorance and should be closed now as it is now well off topic.

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
19/10/2009 23:20

I think this thread had run it's course now. If no one has any objections I'll close it.



Anyone?

hattikins


Joined: 17/02/2008
Posts: 2793

Message Posted:
19/10/2009 23:23

not before time!

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
19/10/2009 23:28

No1Doyen, if the personal remarks offend, surely that person would report it to you, are you being run by apron strings man, ...... and this forum?

hattikins


Joined: 17/02/2008
Posts: 2793

Message Posted:
19/10/2009 23:34

The remarks made re concentration camps are of no relevance to this post and are highly offensive to any person with any decency, posts have been closed for far less.

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
19/10/2009 23:40

This thread is now closed. Reason: Thread went off topic.

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
19/10/2009 23:44

Sorry hattikins, see where you are comming from now re reading the thread, but I dont think any one is taking this out of context, you read worse stuff in the daily rags, shouldnt think either the posters think any thing of it, like water off a ducks back.....