Homeless man crushed to death in wheelie bin

Lilli



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Message Posted:
08/10/2009 16:02

A 54 year old homeless man was crushed to death in the wheelie bin he took refuge in for the night was picked up whilst he was asleep. As a result he was crushed when the rubbish was dumped. The workes did not check or open the lid as health and safety prevents this. A verdict of accidental death was recorded. The poor man no matter how you live nobody deserves to die like this

Pipie


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Message Posted:
08/10/2009 16:20

This is so sad , this man was some ones son, i agree Lilli , awful death !!

smithy


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Message Posted:
08/10/2009 16:20

Liz

I have just read this and was about to post it, what a terrible thing to happen, as you say they are not allowed to open the lids because of syringes etc, what a terrible way to die,

And what a shame

paddywack


Joined: 04/05/2009
Posts: 959

Message Posted:
08/10/2009 16:22

See no problem opening the bin, they don`t have to rummage inside.

Lilli



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Message Posted:
08/10/2009 16:40

Hi Paddy I think the H&S issues come in as often rats had been found in the bins along with syringes. So sad for this poor soul x

mrcyprus


Joined: 26/06/2009
Posts: 270

Message Posted:
08/10/2009 16:47

Surley he would have woken up at some point, way before being dumped and crushed.



Well you would think so anyway, obviously he didnt.



Was probably drunk or on drugs.

Dixie Normus


Joined: 22/02/2008
Posts: 820

Message Posted:
08/10/2009 16:55

One less benifit claiment to worry about, might be a new Tory idea to frighten the Big Issue sellers back in to work.

D.N

smithy


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Message Posted:
08/10/2009 16:57

DN

That is wicked no one deserves to die like that, whether he was on drugs/drunk

keithcaley



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Message Posted:
08/10/2009 18:08

Dixie,

The Big Issue sellers ARE in work - retailing copies of The Big Issue... IMHO

I certainly wouldn't fancy trying to make a living doing that!

Keith.

Smity



Joined: 14/09/2009
Posts: 826

Message Posted:
08/10/2009 19:17

And yet another buractic case of H&S

Workers can wheel the bin to the truck but cant lift the lid how petathetic,



Poor Bloke not a pleasent way to go R.I.P

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
08/10/2009 19:53

Why would anyone want to sleep in a bin?In their wright mind of course.



Yes,it is a serious comment.

Lilli



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Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
09/10/2009 00:19

yorgozlu i do not think he had much choice of his sleeping aragments. He had seroius probs. However no one cared enough. No council or charity xx RIP

nurseawful



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Posts: 5934

Message Posted:
09/10/2009 00:28

message6

"was probably drunk or on drugs"

That is a terrible assumption to make, many of the UK's homeless on the streets have mental health problems. This is not where they should be but goverments decided "care in the community" was the only way forward so these poor individuals found themselves with little or no support network, sleeping rough. So we can never assume that someone is on drugs or drunk. If we were on the streets we would look for the warmest place possible to sleep so maybe this is why the man was in the wheely bin, plus it is probably safer than on the street!

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
09/10/2009 00:32

Nurse I so agree we are not a judge whatever this poor man found his way of lifr he did not deserve to die like that. How many of you would want a relative or friend go in this way xxx

mrcyprus


Joined: 26/06/2009
Posts: 270

Message Posted:
09/10/2009 01:03

because bins are so comfortable.. he would be sitting up?



Or.. if he was in it lying down, then the lid would probably be open in which case he would have been seen.



Whatever anyway, my point is made.



Love



Michael

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
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Message Posted:
09/10/2009 01:15

msg 15,

what point is that?

Is it the fact that,he had no "dignity" to care for himself?

Why else would some one allow themself to be in that position?



I once,few years ago offered couple of sandwiches to a begger in London,he refused saying he'd rather money.

Piorityies or WHAT?



And you have nothing better to do other than expecting all to pity him,sorry not from me.Some one with no self respect,does not deserve to be respected by others.

AlexF065


Joined: 07/09/2009
Posts: 271

Message Posted:
09/10/2009 04:07

Yes Nurse is correct its the Thatcher (DONT)care in the community programe!!!!

MsGarnet


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Message Posted:
09/10/2009 12:35

yorgozlu - such a lack of compassion. There are many reasons why people end up in straitened circumstances - there are some who one day had more money than sense, only for their company to go to the wall and the houses and cars (in the name of the company) go, (perhaps) alongside the avaricious wife who sees no benefit in being with her partner any more but who kept that side of her personality hidden from him -one day they have 'everything' the next - nothing. Mental breakdowns, unsupported, cause some people to give up entirely. Don't judge all those impoverished people by one beggar in London who doubtless wanted money for alcohol. Everyone has their own coping mechanisms, rarely are they efficacious. It takes great strength of character to pull oneself out of the gutter - most especially if one has been brow-beaten (or even physically beaten) most of ones life - many young folk on the street have escaped toxic families only to go from a rock to a hard place........

mrcyprus


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Message Posted:
09/10/2009 13:15

msg 16



My point is, he was either on drugs or drinking OR like you say he didnt bother trying to look after himself.

Lilli



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Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
09/10/2009 17:31

Mrcyprus many of these people do not know any other way as stated above. How could you care for yourself with no money . He may have been on drink or drugs but for a reason.Its not just the lower class many find themselves particulary now in this sad situation. We are not here to judge. Life is hard enough and more should be done for our own rather than illegals

Dixie Normus


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Posts: 820

Message Posted:
09/10/2009 17:50

Hi Lilli



Rather have ten illegals putting a little bit into the economy than a waster taking out of it. Yes we can all fall on hard times but when someone totaly gives up on themselves they are usually past the point of no return and are a burden not only on their family and friends but the state aswell, not a nice way to go, but good riddence to bad rubbish, I would say.



D.N

Geoff


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Message Posted:
10/10/2009 09:04

Where abouts did this happen??

nurseawful



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Message Posted:
10/10/2009 10:45

Message 21 and others.

For goodness sake have a bit of compassion. We don't know the full details of this but as I said previously he may have been suffering from a psychiatric illness. Illnesses like this can affect anyone at any time, and not just the homeless I have worked with Dr's solicitors and lots of other professionals who have suffered. They get so low they can see no way out of their misery. Often they just run so as not to be a burden on their friends and families.

As to the guy being in a bin I would assume it was one of those big industrial wheelie bins that the refuse collectors would not be able to see inside anyway. The poor man was probably in there to keep warm and dry.

If this person was a burden to the state then why the hell was the state not looking after him?

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
10/10/2009 11:03

RE msg 21, Dixie Normus: (...) Rather have ten illegals putting a little bit into the economy than a waster taking out of it. Yes we can all fall on hard times but when someone totaly gives up on themselves they are usually past the point of no return and are a burden not only on their family and friends but the state aswell, not a nice way to go, but good riddence to bad rubbish, I would say. (...)

=> Fieldmarshall Keitel, Hitler's aid, after a visit to the Soviet Union, just before the Second World War: "What an amazing country - when you don't work you don't have a right to live!". You are in bad company, Dixie.

Geoff


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Message Posted:
10/10/2009 15:42

Re Msg 22: Which State "not looking after him"? UK, Cyprus, where??

Lilli



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Message Posted:
10/10/2009 15:46

Hi Geoff sorry I have only just seen your quiestion. I beleive it waas Nottinghamshire Council x

keithcaley



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Message Posted:
10/10/2009 15:46

I put the title of this thread "Homeless man crushed to death in wheelie bin" into Google, and got 3,370 results.

Try it!

hattikins


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Message Posted:
10/10/2009 16:14

This poor man did not deserve to die in this way, nobody does, we have no idea why he was living on the streets, yes he may have had Mental Health Issues, he may have lost a loved one and sunk into depression, it matters not but he deserved some dignity.

As for the bin men not opening the lid, they would have done if it looked as though it was a bit too full and probably have reported the owner to the relevant council.

Those people who so quickly condemn should be ashamed that they have so little compassion for another human being, there is none of us know what is around the corner for us so don't be so cruel.