Britain; a Nation of scroungers?

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
09/10/2009 09:31

It seems that the Tabloids are full of stories about scroungers, the long-term unemployed and an underclass breeding like rabbits while the benefits system allows them to sit in front of their 40 plasma televisions, shell-suited, drinking Stella Artois and smoking Benson & Hedges all day. Then it’s off to the pub for some cheap lager, cheap drugs and mutual gratification with whichever member of the opposite sex gives you the eye that night.

Is Britain really a Nation of scroungers? What can the next government do to put things right?

loulou



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Message Posted:
09/10/2009 09:33

bout right

kavenkoy


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Message Posted:
09/10/2009 09:36

yes some of britain is .



the class systems are now made up of working class ,then the better paid are those on major benefits .



i dont vote as i used to think they are all the same ,liars and cheats etc etc

but new labour has turned britain into a lawless state ,where scroungers rule and are better looked after than the decent law abiding family.



oh im sure we will get lots of replies ,but like most i work ,pay my texes and get whacked by people in power .

now lets raid the pension pots is the new phrase,to make up for all the corrupt city workers and politicians that dragged us into a recesssion.



oh im not bitter ,lol.



kav

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
09/10/2009 09:41

How can the next government put things right though, what needs to be done?

jock1



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Message Posted:
09/10/2009 09:43

Shall i say it........................

Rogerdoger


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Message Posted:
09/10/2009 09:55

It's not only certain people that live off the state benifit system, there are genuine people who want to work but the system penilises them if they earn above the basic benifit rate.

Everything they earn is taxed at ninty-six pence in the pound, so where is the insentive to work for four pence in the pound, people have learnt is better to live off the state, so also the system is at fault, the system needs to be changed, I won't even start with Asylum seekers.



RD

nurseawful



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Message Posted:
09/10/2009 10:41

This is not new to GB it has been going on for a long long time. GB created the problem itself by encouraging people to claim for this that and the other. Even something like a hospital appointment they would arrive by taxi claiming there were no buses that would get them to the hospital on time, arriving with mum, gran and pals. If they had an alcohol problem they were given £15 per week more on their benefits! Why!!!!

Working in hospitals we heard every scam going, in the 70's they would buy all their furniture on Hire Purchase then when the payments were too much for them. They would feign mental illness get admitted to the local Psychiatric Hospital for a few months and their debts would be paid of for them by the state.

My solution for the scroungers make them paint public buildings, sweep the streets, any job in fact as long as they worked for their benefits. Obviously there are genuine case that can't work because of illness etc.

the butler


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Message Posted:
09/10/2009 10:55

Hi all,



I agree with nurseawful, people on benefits who are fit for work should be made to do something for their money. Clearing up derelict sites, cleaning off graffiti, painting buildings. Helping look after old peoples gardens, the list is endless. We seem to have bred a young brigade of youths who think it is their entitlement to live off the state on handouts. It doesn't help when they see asylum seekers coming in and getting benefits and houses but I believe that the majority of these people given the chance would love a job and the chance to earn a decent living. What I object to the strongest, is that they are offered free medical treatment immediately and some come with serious medical problems. Where I, who has paid in to the system since I was fifteen cannot leave the country for more than three months without losing the right to free treatment.



The butlers wife

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
09/10/2009 10:58

The Butler's wife. Here Here - well said. Couldn't agree more.



The next government should put all these people out to work. As you say the list is endless. They should be made to do something even if it is a menial task. If they refuse - stop the benefits!

AlexF065


Joined: 07/09/2009
Posts: 271

Message Posted:
09/10/2009 11:03

Yes sad to say the OP sums up the situation very well

dont forget the PC brigade who banned baba black sheep!!!



Nothing to do with Asylum seekers, IMHO

we have been breading this "underclass" who live their lives on benefits for a couple of generations they are just following the parents example.



But due to the PC brigade we cant do anything to or about them as they have their "HUMAN RIGHTS" even though they are knuckle scrapping neanderthals

girne 29


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Message Posted:
09/10/2009 11:28

Raging!



The scroungers should be sorted out? dont think it will ever happen ,bankers and MP's painting buildings and cleaning streets etc !,No chance. Ooops sorry made the mistake of thinking that others apart from the working class were scroungers and responsible for all our troubles.



Things will get sorted out by the Tories/Lab ,at least they ,going by the changes they are going to bring in ,know who has caused the problems to economy over the last 2 years.

The state pensioners ,especially woman.

health service.

Public sector workers .

Unemployed who deliberately want to get £60 a week for 6 months, instead of £500week at work

Disabled, who could work in all those vacancies,Blind guy on the radio applied for nearly a thosand jobs with hardly a reply, lazy git.

PS if any one of you doesnt pay tax on your pensions or villa rentals or bank account interest ,then have the decency to keep quite about jobless who at least paid ALL taxes when working

Woodspeckie


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Message Posted:
09/10/2009 12:10

It's the pretend disabled and the incapacity people who need sorting, put the Blue Badge in the car on double yellow lines and run around town like Seb Coe, the car parks are empty but the streets are full. Use a walking stick to the doctors not needed when going to pick up the benefit.

Gordon proposing giving nursey places to 2 year old so the mums can still meet in town but without the pushchairs, not so they can go and do a little job. I know it doesn't apply to everyone.

kavenkoy


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Message Posted:
09/10/2009 12:10

quote message 4 "How can the next government put things right though, what needs to be done"



think they have to be honest firstly with themselves.



when they say we are going to stop benefits for this or that ,just do it .....give the able bodies of our society and the say under 30s the first hand experience .



so your fit ,got 2 arms and legs and can talk ,you have 30 days to find yourself a job or your benefit goes down 50% .



currently the advertising camapign on local radios is "fill in your working tax credit for" you could earn and extra £140 per month etc etc .....costing us money to advertise and more money to claim.



why work hard if you can top up with a nice handout and free conucil tax paid ?.

immigration ermmm

they dont spend a month travelling eurpoe in a wagon ,live in a camp in france and then hide under a wagon to come over unless its to their benefit do they ,for me illegals when caught need dporting immeadiately not held in a pen for a year .



kav

Woodspeckie


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Message Posted:
09/10/2009 12:29

Another proposal from Gordon. No council house for the pregnant 16/17 year old, put them in a home to be looked after and taught parenthood, NO don't give them benefits make them stay home with their parents and make them bring the child up.

boglefan



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Message Posted:
09/10/2009 12:52

There is a generation who have grown up knowing how to milk the system for every benefit and perk going because to them it is the norm. Their parents have never worked nor wanted. On the other hand because of the recession many businesses have or are closing so the the unemployment rate will rise drastically. There will be many men and women virtually put on the scrap heap because they are over 50 - Johnnie Walker plant in Paisley will put 800 people out of work with a knock on effect to other smaller businesses. So the deadhead druggie/alcoholic who misuses the system should have benefits taken from them not the people who are out of work through no fault of their own.

As regards the Blue Badge system, I have a friend with cancer spread to her bones and her mobility is rapidly decreasing. She attended an interview to try to obtain her badge. The jobsworth asked her where she had parked her car and how she got there. She told him where she parked and had walkd to the office.

boglefan



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Message Posted:
09/10/2009 12:54

She was refused as she was too fit. This lady has terminal cancer!!!!!!!!!!! Makes you wonder. Perhaps she should have given in to someone taking her in a wheelchair.



OH wonderful old British systems.

Corbo



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Message Posted:
09/10/2009 13:08

The ruling elite and politicians have ignored the under class for ages now and have accepted generations of failed lives as an acceptable side of our system. They accepted this because they were deluded that the giant bubble of growth would continue indefinitely. They used cheap foreign labour to do the dirty work and took the cheap options. Now the bubble has blown up the poop has begun to hit the fan. Labour have near bankrupted the country and the Tories won't change much..I guess they will be a tad more prudent with Government spending mainly because they have to be. So what is the answer..that would require several hours over several drinks to even begin to unravel the matter.

Woodspeckie


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Message Posted:
09/10/2009 14:12

boglefan. I worked for Social Services and I don't know of anyone having an interview for a badge, she needs to get an application form from SS fill part of it in herself and send it back and her GP then fills in a part and sends it back, the process usually takes a couple of weeks. If her GP says she needs one then that is it as long as she fits the criteria.

kaiserphil


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Message Posted:
09/10/2009 15:10

Woodspeckie, the procedure for a blue badge is not a general one. It depends on where you live and which authority makes the decision.

I received one following the simple procedure you describe, that was issued by the Hampshire County Council at Winchester.

Where my sister lives, you will not get one unless you are on DLA.

AlexF065


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Message Posted:
09/10/2009 15:25

you cannot get a blue badge in Brum unless you are on the Higher rate mobility componant of disability living allowance

Dixie Normus


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Message Posted:
09/10/2009 17:13

As long as the system is piss easy to milk, people will milk it. I dont blame the scrounging bast--ds that milk it Blame the cupid stunts that let a system that initialy was designed to help those in need develop into a feeding frenzy. This has resulted in a once proud country nose dive into cesspit we have today.

To get any means of support does not mean it sould not be worked for, money for nowt can only create lazy sub human rsoles that pass their ways to their offspring. The system will have to change soon as the UK cant afford the welfare state much longer, just pleased I'm away from the festering tip, and getting my disability paid over here.



D.N

Lilli



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Message Posted:
09/10/2009 17:21

I totally agree with all sides of this debate but dont you think the government do it to buy votes. Jobs are hard to come by now and those who want to work cant, those who dont like like lords. Its unfair but the latter will keep this bloody government in power as long as they get handouts. I agree with the message to put pregant girls in a home until the child is born then to the safety of her family. Not a council house

Woodspeckie


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Message Posted:
09/10/2009 17:52

Get this one. A man lost his job last year and was desperate to get back to work, so he went to register for Job Seekers allowance but he had twisted his ankle and walked into the centre limping, he was told he couldn't register for work as he wasn't fit so would have to go and ask for Incapacity Allowance instead.

We have 99,000 in the Army and 85,000 civilians in the MOD, some things are going to have to change and believe me they will says Liam Fox.

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
09/10/2009 18:05

A DRIVER who claimed he was too ill to work spent five years ferrying doctors around across East Lancashire, cheating the state out of £25,000 in benefits.

Receptionist and professional driver Craig Harrison, 39, worked for Radio Doctor, now known as East Lancashire Medical Services, despite claiming incapacity benefits, Reedley magistrates were told.

He worked for the out-of-hours GP service from the firm's base at the St Peter's Centre in Church Street, Burnley, between March 2002 and November 2007, the court heard.

Magistrates have now told Harrison, of Windermere Avenue, Queensgate, Burnley, who admitted failing to notify a change in his circumstances for benefits, that he must face a crown court judge for sentence.

Richard Taylor, prosecuting on behalf of the Department of Work and Pensions, said that Harrison had made his original incapacity benefit claim in 1994.

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
09/10/2009 18:05

This claim was initially thought to be genuine but further investigations revealed that he started work for Radio Doctor in around March 2002, at St Peter's Centre, initially earning £60 to £175 per week, depending on his duties.

But later his wages rose to between £600 and £1,030 a month, while he continued to claim sickness benefits, the court heard.

Mr Taylor said that the total amount overpaid to Harrison, over more than five-and-a-half years, was £25,595.

Harrison was asked to attend numerous interviews by the DWP but failed to turn up. He did agree to be questioned last December but left the interview after a caution had been read out.

The defendant, who was not legally represented, said: "It was just one big mistake, right from the beginning and when the representative from the DWP spoke to me I told him I would plead guilty."

Magistrates released Harrison on bail for sentence at Burnley Crown Court on October 9 and ordered pre-sentence reports to be prepared on him.

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
09/10/2009 18:08

A CON mum who claimed she needed a wheelchair and couldn’t walk was filmed working at Argos and carrying shopping by undercover fraud investigators.

Jennifer Watson, aged 54, of Appleby Close, Widnes, swindled nearly £58,000 in benefits for more than five years, insisting she needed help going to the toilet and couldn’t cut her own food.

A two year investigation revealed she had earned £230 a week at Frodsham Co-op, stacking shelves and pushing heavy cages of produce around the store.

She received the highest rate of mobility reserved for people unable to walk.

Investigators interviewed Co-op colleagues she worked with from April 2003 to March 2007.

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
09/10/2009 18:08

Mr Slack said: “Colleagues she worked with confirmed they had never seen her use a wheelchair.

“They saw her move roller cages full of produce around the store and stock shelves with heavy items, including crates of soft drinks.”

She continued to claim disability living allowance, incapacity benefit, income support, housing and council tax benefits.

She continued to fail to disclose her new income as a supervisor at Argos in 2007.

Interviewed on crutches, in February 2008, Watson said she “pushed herself through the pain barrier” to pay for her brother’s funeral and her sons’ education.

Liam Ferris, QC, defending, said: “She has suffered from delusion for a number of years. She was ill at the time she made the claims.

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
09/10/2009 18:09

A man who claims income support, council tax benefit, disability living allowance and incapacity benefit, while his wife claims carer’s allowance for looking after him. This is all while he runs a stall on a market and owns a Mercedes convertible with over £100k savings in the bank? Slap on the wrists, ordered to pay back the £40,000 he defrauded.

Or a woman claiming two council houses while she already has her own house (one of which was claimed in a false name), then letting them out? Slap on the wrists, tenancy terminated.

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
09/10/2009 18:10

Another woman, claiming to live alone to get discounts and benefits, while she actually lives with her husband? Again, slap on the wrists and ordered to pay £15,000 back.

How about a woman who applied every year for her dead husband’s blue disabled parking badge for 9 years, then has the cheek to challenge a ticket she gets when a warden sees her park up on her own, as a female instead of male, as it says on the badge? Prosecuted for a ‘false declaration’.

Now, an illegal immigrant studying to be a nurse while she gets housing benefit. This one is hard. On one hand, she could well help the UK (what with its terminal lack of nurses and doctors) and compared to the others, she’s done far less wrong. What does she get? A prison sentence, at the end of which she gets deported.

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
09/10/2009 18:14

A JUDGE has taken pity on two benefit cheat grand parents by sparing them jail for defrauding city taxpayers out of £55,000 over 17 years.

Husband and wife David and Jennifer Panton fraudulently claimed incapacity benefit, council tax subsidies and housing benefit between 1990 and 2007 – despite the fact she was working part-time at Peterborough District Hospital’s maternity unit.

But after hearing how they had endured a meagre existence after Mr Panton suffered a career-ending back injury, Judge Sean Enright decided to suspend the custodial sentences he would otherwise have imposed.

He told the tearful couple: “I want to make it very plain that in the ordinary course of events, benefit fraudsters will go to prison, and I’m determined to send them to prison for as long as the law permits.

“However, because of your circumstances, it is not in the public interest that you go to prison today.”

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
09/10/2009 18:14

The court heard Mr Panton (61) was forced to give up his job at Perkins Engines in 1978 after suffering a crippling back injury.

As a result, the couple began claiming benefits in 1990 – but only months later, Mrs Panton (59) began working two days a week at the hospital.Even though her wages – equivalent to £600 a month today – would not have stopped their payments altogether, they chose not to declare her job to the authorities.

Over the 17 years until October 2007, Mr Panton claimed £35,000 he was not entitled to in incapacity benefits while between them the couple were also overpaid £20,000 in council tax and housing benefits.

Andy Cave, mitigating for the couple, said they had lived in “a virtual state of deprivation” throughout their 40-year marriage, bringing up three children at their home in Lawson Avenue.

They have already made arrangements to pay back the money at £40 a week – a rate which would take them more than 25 years to repay the outstanding sum.

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
09/10/2009 18:15

Mr Panton was sentenced to 51 weeks in prison, suspended for two years, while his wife was given a 12-week suspended sentence and ordered to carry out 280 hours of unpaid community work.

Coachie



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Message Posted:
09/10/2009 19:49

woodspeckie..Just remember one thing,the scrounger society was started by your beloved Tory party before the 1992 election.This is when Incapacity Benefit was introduced to get people off the un employed register.They have poured just as much money into the Social Services network as the Labour Party so do not blame it all on GB.Where do you get this information from that the pregnant 16/17 get FREE council housing??My 18yr old grandson and his 16 yr old girlfriend have just had a baby and they do not get free council housing.At this moment they are living in rented accomodation.This has to be furnished by themselves,NO help from Social Services.It is obvious some of your info,which is privilaged because you worked for the Dept.,and should not be posted on here,seems to be out of date.As for the so called assylum seekers,put them all on the next boat the government can charter, especially the Afghans,and send the bloody lot back from whence they came.Let them fight to make their place

Coachie



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Message Posted:
09/10/2009 19:57

Cont,...safer to live in.To see these fit healthy Afgans trying to get on trucks in Calais so they can come to UK and saying they would be persecuted if they stay at home,sorry,if our guys have to fight over their for them theycan go and fight as well.At this moment there are 450,000refused assylum seekers here who do not receive any Benefits at all,and are slowly getting the message and drifting back to Europe.The trouble is,here in the UK,we have too many "do gooders" who actually help these people toget money from the system.Some where actually seen in Calais recently giving leaflets explaining what to do do if they got to UK.Sometimes think its these people who should be deported along with the illegals....

Woodspeckie


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Message Posted:
09/10/2009 20:43

Coachie. I have been retired 14 years so not information from the department, it was GB himself in one of his speeches last week said "no longer will 16/17 year old pregnant girls be given council houses, they will be put in a home with a carer and be trained how to become a parent." I can see now why you get on your high horse when I mentioned about the young mums pushing prams round town and meeting up with their mates when they should be out there earning a living.

dalartokat


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Message Posted:
09/10/2009 21:15

Woodspeckie, message 28. Since October 2008 no one can make a claim for Incapacity Benefit. All those on Incapacity Benefit are gradually being transferred to ESA(Employment Support Allowance). Whoever you are talking about would have been told this and they would also have been told to submit medical certificates until they are well enough to return either to work or they then would have to make a claim for JSA. Another one of those myths.

phylray



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Message Posted:
09/10/2009 21:29

How can you talk about a nation in this way. The vast majority of us are hard working and honest.

Why tar everyone because of a minority of wasters, who very few of us have any sympathy for and

feel they must work, or do without.

Coachie



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Message Posted:
09/10/2009 21:45

Woodspeckie..nothing to do with my high horse,mainly your gibberish branding everybody with this scrounger label.Its alright shouting that they should be out getting a job,but in case you had not noticed, we are in a recession at the moment and jobs are very difficult to come by. whilst they are out looking for these jobs who is going to look after the child.Do you tar married women and older women who choose to have children as lay abouts. You were never able to get a council house till you were 18 and then you have to furnish it etc.Its not as easy as it used to be,any money you borrow now is automatically stopped out of your weekly benefit until you have repaid the amount you borrowed.Did it ever occur to you that they may well have some one supporting them i.e.a boyfriend,fiance ,even a husband.No ,you just label them all layabouts and scroungers.There are a helluva lot more older single mums out there doing exactly the same but you never criticise those. Its like Philray says

Jetski


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Message Posted:
09/10/2009 22:21

Coachie,



"woodspeckie..Just remember one thing,the scrounger society was started by your beloved Tory party before the 1992 election"



Wrong wrong wrong........ I was a special invesigator with the ES/DWP/DFES in the late 70's and 80's. There was more fraud then you would possibly believe and would never now be admitted. Under Thatcher things actually improved, although the influx of benefit tourists made up for the decrease in benefit crime. We still have huge problems with fraudulent claims though..... working and signing, Incapacity fraud and not least, continuing claims from those living abroad who are no longer entitled (to a number of benefits)



I shall now dismount my orange box and get my coat

liz w



Joined: 09/10/2008
Posts: 270

Message Posted:
09/10/2009 22:46

its between £27.50 and £34.50 PER DAY if you are a registered alcoholic and you get more if you have a dog !!!! it just beggers belief.



Liz

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
09/10/2009 22:55

Serious question Liz, do you get more for having two dogs?

dalartokat


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Message Posted:
09/10/2009 23:22

liz w message 40 .can you state where you get this information from please

Woodspeckie


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Message Posted:
09/10/2009 23:46

Coachie. Msg 38. So Gordon doesn't know what he is talking about then when he says he is going to stop giving houses to 16/17 year olds?



Msg 36 dalatokat. My message was 23 and this was in the newspaper today and mentioned by Cameron yesterday, it did say last year so could have been before Oct 2008.

girne 29


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Message Posted:
10/10/2009 00:24

dalartokat.

In answer to your question, from The Sun probably



Disability payments for alcoholism is the same as for other disablements, about £85 a week.



I was unemployed for a while when Thatcher was in power and did resent the fact that some wasters who played the system got everything while I got nothing,as did most. Thats the reason I have no time for those that blanket the majority of unemployed people that are in a similar situation today with being called scroungers.

There are certainly abuses that should be cleared up ,but to say we are a nation of scroungers !!



Britain is not a nation of scroungers,95% are decent hardworking people who do the best they can for their families when in work and those that are laid off are trying their best to get back into work. No multimillion pound payoff for them when sacked.



You wont get much support from UK people re the Cyprus issue by calling them a nation of scroungers from our nice little place in the sun.





Calling pe

Lilli



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Message Posted:
10/10/2009 00:35

I think it is so sad when people work long and hard to be classed as a scrounger when thier circumstances dictate they cannnot get a job and classed as the ones who do not want one. Torries Labour of greens whom ever How the hell can they change it. They created it to get votes x

ripoffrock


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Message Posted:
10/10/2009 05:56

Most definately the Great left Britain long ago.



What a Great Great mess our Kids/Grand kids inherit.

nurseawful



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Message Posted:
10/10/2009 08:17

Message 42,

Not sure of the figures but I know for a fact that registered alcoholice in the UK get extra on their benefits. It used to be £15 per week. Why I don't know it beggars belief.

LadyM


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Message Posted:
10/10/2009 08:57

For the past year I have been working on behalf of DWP doing the medicals to assess people on incapacity benefit. The new benefit ESA is better and is already getting people off that type of benefit where they can get more money. The fraud investiagtors are doing a good job but more are needed.



ESA helps people to retrain or get skills that they cant get elsewhere such as confidence building etc. If they dont attend they lose their money, this has helped some peole realise how good it is to be with people and have some structure and purpose in their life. Of course we all know that there are not enough jobs for all these people.

Talking about sickness benefit (ESA) the problem is when they dont reach criteria and then go to appeal. They quite often win..........and then come back at a later date again they dont reach criteria but go onto appeal....I ask you......how daft is that?

girne 29


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Message Posted:
10/10/2009 15:20

nurseauful

"Government statistics show that in 2007 about 51,000 people were on incapacity benefit – worth up to £87.50 a week – as a result of alcoholism."

There is extra payments given to cover the cover the cost of re-hab so maybe this is what your are meaning.Hardly the £37 per day quoted earlier.



My point is the inference that we are a nation of scroungers,just not true, the same as 51,000 alcoholics does not mean we are a nation of alcoholics on benefits.



I am sure I and many on this forum would resent people in the UK labelling us all in Cyprus as' tax cheats '.who defraud the exchequer ,same as benifit cheats.

girne 29


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Message Posted:
10/10/2009 15:32

mesage 49 cont







UK ,Nation of Benifit cheats ,?



suppose this guy would be labelled a scrounger if he loses his job next year



"A waiter has donated a £10,000 reward he was given for helping to convict a rapist to the victim, despite only earning £20,000 a year.

It was not a difficult decision. I hope in some small way it helps towards providing the victim with a better quality of life", Mr Gardner said.

"I didn't feel like I'd earned it. The fact that such a horrific thing happened to that lady, I thought it would benefit her life more than it would mine.

"I just wanted to try and improve her standard of life. It is a huge amount of money but I've been lucky throughout my life - she nearly died and was left in a horrendous state after the attack.

"I thought the money would go a lot further to improve her situation. I just wanted to help in any way possible and I hope this has done that."



St Mary police, said: "Lloyd's act of kindness was Lloyd's act of kindness was

Lilli



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Message Posted:
10/10/2009 15:44

Girne what avery kind caring person that waiter was. That somewhat restoire faith in humanity. I also hope the poor lady recovers after her ordeal xx

Coachie



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Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
10/10/2009 23:40

Girne29...Steady now, you will have the blue rinse brigade on your back.They seem to think they are the only ones who have worked all their lives,for what ,to pay for the rest of us scroungers and lay abouts.Then their are the retired armed forces people who think they are owed more than their pension,plus the civil servants with thier nice index /inflation proof pensions. If a proper investigation was carried out by the DWP I bet half of them would be back home in Greatless Britain.Its happening in Spain as I write and Dont be surprised if Cyprus is next...

Jetski


Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 584

Message Posted:
10/10/2009 23:52

Coachie - methinks he protesteth too much........ (and spelleth too poorly)

harita


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Posts: 1343

Message Posted:
10/10/2009 23:58

Message 53 ... How right you are

cyprusairsoft



Joined: 22/06/2009
Posts: 2066

Message Posted:
11/10/2009 18:14

start at the top get rid of corrupt mps and those that accept bankhanders etc and work your way down

No1Doyen


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Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
12/10/2009 11:09

We need to start in the schools to instill work ethics to the children.

girne 29


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Posts: 1488

Message Posted:
12/10/2009 15:29

cyprusairsoft



Thanks ,someone else who thinks all our problems are not down to the lazy working classes.

No1 Doyen.

I was taught a work ethic by my parents,think that sometimes is lacking,but that work ethic has to apply at the top as well.

If I as a youngster see all the MP's ,captains of industry ,bankers getting money for nothing or worse, for failure,then who can blame me for wanting the same.Not being in a position of voting on my own pay and expenses or bonuses ,the next best thing would be to screw the taxpayer just as the bankers have done,but via the benifits office.

No1Doyen


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Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
12/10/2009 15:35

I'm with you on that one girne 29

Coachie



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Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
12/10/2009 16:04

Jetski..Any one is allowed to protest,and why is some ones spelling being questioned?? Ex-school teacher are you,or do you just get a lot of pleasure out of criticising other peoples misfortunes..No one is perfect....

clayton


Joined: 30/11/2008
Posts: 1143

Message Posted:
12/10/2009 19:39

been on the dole since may.last time i was on the dole was 27 years ago,64 pound a week i get,job seekers if i,m a scrounger so be it.

Coachie



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Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
13/10/2009 15:19

Clayton..you are what I class as Being Tarred with the same brush as the dead beats and lay abouts which will always exist in any society.But all the UK bashers cannot see that there are alot of honest unfortunate people having to draw benefits.I only hope it happens to them sometime in their lives and perhaps they might think before spouting off about a nation of scroungers..Keep your chin up mate and all the best for the future..

clayton


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Posts: 1143

Message Posted:
13/10/2009 19:44

cheers coachie

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
13/10/2009 19:52

Clayton, you're not a scrounger, just unfortunate. Good Luck for the future.

girne 29


Joined: 06/12/2007
Posts: 1488

Message Posted:
13/10/2009 21:27

Clayton.



Been there, its disheartening enough without being called a scrounger,especially as some of those doing the calling probably think a trip to the hairdresser is a hard days work.





Good luck .hope things work out for you.



Coachie

".I only hope it happens to them sometime in their lives and perhaps they might think before spouting off about a nation of scroungers.."

Spot on , there is hope for them ,arrogance is treatable,

clarets



Joined: 08/01/2009
Posts: 752

Message Posted:
13/10/2009 21:36

Yes labour has caused a mass proliferation of the dumb critters,to ensure they stand some form of chance in general elections.Allowing them to breed rapidly furnishes labour with a voting populus,albeit, the rest of us have to pay for them and their indolent bad habits.

clayton


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Posts: 1143

Message Posted:
13/10/2009 22:05

thanks for the support

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
13/10/2009 22:21

And no doubt you do not claim child allowance for your brood being the tory loving person you are.One ought to keep ones mouth closed when talking about breeding,he of the seven kids,after all thats what you have just said about the labour people..

Jetski


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Posts: 584

Message Posted:
13/10/2009 23:40

Strikes me Coachie , that you are somewhat bitter and twisted about something...... would you care to share it with us? I'm sure we could help.

littlejohn


Joined: 09/03/2009
Posts: 316

Message Posted:
14/10/2009 03:00

Clarets, I said it some time ago - you are a disgrace ( particularly if you are a doctor!) but this forum is full of people of your ilk - like jetski and the like - morons!! If you have nothing sensible to say - say nothing

clarets



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Posts: 752

Message Posted:
14/10/2009 11:25

Littlejohn........I always have plenty to say,as you know.It is backed by a good brain and superb education. I am a trainer of medical students and young doctors alike and I am well respected in my field. You...................you are just Littlejohn......whose claim to fame is slagging people off in cyberspace, when you self-evidently know nothing about them.........or anything for that matter. Clear off you small minded,bigot........you are not worthy of riposte!

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
14/10/2009 11:29

I think it's time for this thread to be closed down.



The thread has been addressed and before the name calling gets worse I am closing it.

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
14/10/2009 11:30

This thread is now closed.



Reason: Thread was addressed and no need for further posts as stated in the previous message.