Is Bruce Forsyth right on the Paki Issue

Dixie Normus


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Message Posted:
09/10/2009 17:40

See old Bruce Forsyth is poking a finger at the P.C brigade at the BeeB over the use of the paki word in a recent Stricktly come dancing prog. As a multicultural country are we getting to eager to play the race card over minor/ fun meaning comments and is'nt this attitude driving white and coloured communities wider apart?



D.N

pilgrim



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Message Posted:
09/10/2009 18:03

can't stand PC idiots.

Hector


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Posts: 2352

Message Posted:
09/10/2009 18:06

Calling someone 'a paki' in a work environment in the UK will get you the sack. Strangely enough I believe that it's not actually regarded as a racist comment by those who you'd think it would be.

harita


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Message Posted:
09/10/2009 18:08

Yet everybody calls us "BRITS" .. Amongst other things .. Who cares

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
09/10/2009 18:16

It happens to all of us when we are frustrated or angry, we say things we don't mean--and the world ought to make allowances for us when we do.



However he made the comment – tongue in cheek. He wasn't frustrated or angry. No malice was intended.



Was the remark intended to wound, or intended to perpetuate some social wrong? I think not.



Was it malicious? I think not.

jock1



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Message Posted:
09/10/2009 18:26

Who really cares...

Lilli



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Message Posted:
09/10/2009 18:44

We could all take exceptions I guess Bill. Paddys Jocks Taffies. I dont think anybody would take offence if its not meant in a racist way xxx

Smity



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Posts: 826

Message Posted:
09/10/2009 18:45

This whole PC thing has got out of hand, cant mention a certain LOGO on Robertsons Jam can't have a b---k board ih school, now called a chalk board. Baa Baa ----- sheep banned.

What about just the word white, chalky, do we whitie's care

UPS

sorry not PC

kiss my lilly white?

Smity



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Message Posted:
09/10/2009 18:57

Oh and to add insult to injury, government buildings including Buck Palace dont fly the cross of St Geaorge in case it offends.

Excuse me this is ENGLAND

Yet other 'Nationalities' diplay there 'cultural' flags



Please PC poilice get a life

smithy


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Posts: 5301

Message Posted:
09/10/2009 18:59

Hi Smity

I still have my gollywog and a blackboard, whats wrong with all the old sayings, its how its meant thats the problem, and if my little granddaughter were here I would still sing ba ba black sheep,

what is the world coming to. They can call me what they like I have thick skin ) )

I agree with Brucie it was meant in fun, so take it like it was.

See you both soon

Sheila

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
09/10/2009 19:18

Dear Smity re 9



I agree with you that PC has gone a little 'OTT' but 'Paki' is often used be folk when referring to folk of Asian ethnicity.. it is so often used when referring to Indians , Sri Lankans, Arabs, and I've even seen a Portuguese guy called 'Paki' !!!!



Sorry, but I DO think it is offensive - but more realistically shows ignorance by the user.



As for the flag of St George on Buck Palace... if the Union breaks up, feel free to fly it... But asshe is MY monarch too - could you please please 'respect' that for now ?!

billyboy1


Joined: 01/06/2009
Posts: 590

Message Posted:
09/10/2009 19:44

I think people are going mad, yes the word can be used in a racist way, but in this instance it was not



Abbreviations happen all the time, does every one jump up and down



British - brit

pakistani - Paki

Turkish - turk



plus all the others, i.e paddys, jocks. taffy, spic, yank, pommes etc etc



the world is going bloody mad....

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
09/10/2009 20:03

PC - b*llocks! - If I made a trip to UK, I'd certainly be arrested before I got down the gang-plank of the plane!



Get some 'T' shirts printed: 'Do for a do-gooder a day!'

maria1975


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Message Posted:
09/10/2009 20:09

get real mmmmmm

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
09/10/2009 20:58

Dear Maria, re msg 14



It would appear I'm too real for you , perhaps....



re msg 12



I think you'd know that 'Brit' was some sort of derogatory term used by an Irish Nationalist...



'Paki' is NOT just an abbreviation.. it is synonymous with folk who use the word as an racist term. THAT is what makes it non pc to use... Frankly, if you THINK it is OK to use it, you are demonstrating to ME ( my opinion) that you are ignorant ..



http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=paki&page=2



You'd be no.12 to me.. ;) .. pick your own variant and tell it to the Judge !...

billyboy1


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Message Posted:
09/10/2009 21:36

mmmmmm



with regards to your comments in message 15



"I think you'd know that 'Brit' was some sort of derogatory term used by an Irish Nationalist..."



What makes you think WHAT I would know



"You'd be no.12 to me.. ;) .. pick your own variant and tell it to the Judge "



And you my friend are not my judge or jury....





and just so YOU know, I am in no way racist and never have been, if you knew my background, YOU would know that....but then my business is none of yours....





There is racism, but the question was about Bruce Forsyth comment...

and please bear in mind that the lady that was called a paki, has no problem with it, and has said so on national TV..

The guy apologised if he had offended her, she accepted the apology and said that she had not been offended....

DutchCrusader



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Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
09/10/2009 21:36

RE msg 4, Harita: (...) Yet everybody calls us "BRITS" (...)

=> It's what I use and I really did NOT know it could be taken as offensive. I'll never use "Brit" or "Brits" again. I'll use "the British" - correct me here and now if I'm wrong.

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
09/10/2009 22:05

Well then I must be racist because to me

a frog comes from France

a yank is from usa

an aussie comes from Australia

a cloggie is a Dutchman

A paki comes from Pakistan

arabs come from the middle east

the list goes on and on,and it is only in the UK where it is "outlawed".The trouble is the insult is only one way.They can callyou whatever they like and there is no law that you can invoke to protect yourself.If they dont like being called a paki they can always go back to pakiSTAN where nobody will insult them.If you visit or live in their country you do not get any special treatment,you have to accept their laws or face the consequences.This is my country and they should accept our laws and culture like we have to accept theirs.So before anybody starts shouting abuse at me,I do not believe in laws for one and laws for another.As has been said political correctness gone stark staring mad..I will apologise to one in this country for me calling a paki a paki,an Irishman a paddy

jimchris09


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Posts: 547

Message Posted:
09/10/2009 22:07

Bring back someone like Bernard Manning and put him on instead of Brucie.......then they'd really have summat to worry about!

littlejohn


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Message Posted:
09/10/2009 23:48

Many ms even though what you say is quite correct I have told you before you are wasting your time and even Coachie loses the plot on this one - but there you go !!!

james1970


Joined: 08/09/2009
Posts: 92

Message Posted:
10/10/2009 00:01

how it has all changed in the few years....

http://www.boreme.com/boreme/funny-2007/ntnon-constable-savage-p1.php

newlad



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Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
10/10/2009 00:04

Is "Aussie "classed as racist,

Paul.

Woodspeckie


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Message Posted:
10/10/2009 00:12

If you come from Wigan you are called a "Pie eater"

from Liverpool "A Scouser" Racist?

No1Doyen


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Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
10/10/2009 00:14

What about 'Russki' or 'Frog' or 'Kraut'?

lapta29


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Message Posted:
10/10/2009 00:50

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/6284302/New-black-Barbie-with-realistic-African-features-gets-mixed-reviews.html



THINGS ARE LOOKING BLACK

Magbs


Joined: 26/02/2009
Posts: 278

Message Posted:
10/10/2009 01:25

Re 24



IMO 'Frog' or 'Kraut' are hardly racist but rather derogatory remarks. And Russki...well, it means Russian (in Russian

;) and nothing more.



But, as we all know, everything depends on context...

newlad



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Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
10/10/2009 01:39

My best friend is called Paul Salih and he is as black as the ace of spades (if that is racist then i apologise)We have been mates from junior school and have never once had a problem with the colour of our respective skins,

Paul.

mrcyprus


Joined: 26/06/2009
Posts: 270

Message Posted:
10/10/2009 01:48

world has gone mad.. liven up, it wasnt used in a racist way, just an observation.. she is a paki..its fact. People take it all to far nowdays

newlad



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Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
10/10/2009 01:57

I have loads of "Manc" mates am i a racist,

Paul.

mrcyprus


Joined: 26/06/2009
Posts: 270

Message Posted:
10/10/2009 02:20

correction to my message in 28.. "she is a paki its a fact" ..she isnt, so i wanted to address it before everyone starts tearing me apart about it... He said 'paki' because she had fake tan on.. so what, it was all in good fun. People that take it offensively really should get a sense of humor.

Chegwin


Joined: 24/03/2009
Posts: 775

Message Posted:
10/10/2009 08:00

"Patcha" is the correct derogatory term for Pakistanis. It translates to Green and if anyone has ever visited the country they will know why.



Chegs

jock1



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Message Posted:
10/10/2009 09:33

What about the weegies.............

nurseawful



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Message Posted:
10/10/2009 09:35

weegies are nice people Jock1

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
10/10/2009 09:38

re 16

BillyBoy1



>>What makes you think WHAT I would know?<<



Well coming where I come from having a handle "BillyBoy" would make you a Ulster Proddie ! .. My "bad" for assuming you'd realise about calling someone a 'Brit' was derogatory.. : (



I apologise





>>you my friend are not my judge or jury.... <<



and you should observe the ' ;)' and not I'm joshing you....



>>and just so YOU know, I am in no way racist and never have been, if you knew my background, YOU would know that....but then my business is none of yours.... <<



Well, as you say you aren't a racist, I believe you... so why defend an expression when I explain to you that it DOES offend and is taken as a racial insult?



Anton has learnt the error of his ways.. he nearly lost his job.. why can't you?

nurseawful



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Message Posted:
10/10/2009 11:00

At the end of the day Sticks and Stones will break your bones but names will never hurt you. Thats what we used to say as kids, pity some grow into adults and forgot this!

mmmmmm



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Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
10/10/2009 11:06

re 35..



some name calling is very sinister.. I think you'd agree

kelvin


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Message Posted:
10/10/2009 11:29

Is a gobshite racist.?

Dixie Normus


Joined: 22/02/2008
Posts: 820

Message Posted:
10/10/2009 12:31

Hi Kelvin I dont think Gobshite is racist, as it can refer to both white and non whites, more commonly used in the North of England to describe persons that are full of their own self importance, never shut their mouths even when knowing little of the subject matter, and are genraly seen by all to be an arse. Have you anyone that springs to mind?



Keep on swinging them hips!



D.N

Coachie



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Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
10/10/2009 19:31

Littlejohn..have not lost the plot at all .I standby what I said.You no like, I sorry OK..

littlejohn


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Message Posted:
11/10/2009 03:33

Coachie - not attacking you, have a great deal of respect for your views - you consistently post sensibly - and then defend the use of racist language !!!

Carndi


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Posts: 613

Message Posted:
11/10/2009 09:14

The question was; Is Bruce Forsyth correct in poking fun at the PC brigade etc etc ?

In the UK the PC brigade have, in my opinion, caused more harm to racial intergration due to their attitude.

The paying of large sums of compensation has open the gates to anyone who will use the slightest excuse to

try and benifit from saying the have been insulted.

As an Ulsterman I could take offence at 6xm's reference to ' Ulster Proddie ' but in the context he used it I have to assume he meant no offence which brings us back to the question, is Bruce etc etc.

In this case I think the answer is YES.

Corbo



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Message Posted:
11/10/2009 10:57

It's all getting out of hand really. P.C. and the immigration debate. A problem we have in the UK is that there are a minority of immigrants from Pakistan and elsewhere who actually hate the UK and its way of life. Indeed some want to destroy it and set out to do so. They come for money and to support their families back home and will never integrate. We seem to bend over back wards to appease them. This is due to the Media and Political liberal elite having a guilty conscience from the Imperial era..now long gone. I have lived all over the World and have always mixed with the locals and respected the local customs and never expected local customs to change for me. Our weakness at trying to bend over back wards and please everyone actually creates more problems. It is the traditions and distinctive characteristics of the UK..dying out now..that attract visitors and tourists. A multi cultural society is a positive thing but a paranoid increasingly intolerant one is not.

cronos


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Message Posted:
11/10/2009 11:20

Corbo...msg 42...well done for a fair and inciteful summation of the situation in the UK.

Geoff


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Message Posted:
11/10/2009 11:30

Whether Forsyth was right, or wrong, isn't it time t hey pensioned him and his corny old humour off?

cronos


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Message Posted:
11/10/2009 12:05

EDIT....msg 43....sorry I meant "insightful" not inciteful.

hattikins


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Message Posted:
11/10/2009 12:13

Corbo,

Spot on, one of the reasons we left the UK was because it was getting to the point where you almost had to apologise for being born there. What happened to * When in Rome do as the Romans do*.

parkview



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Posts: 1123

Message Posted:
11/10/2009 12:59

Interesting debate - I for one cannot stand all the pc nonsense - a major reason for leaving the UK. However - Paki and Paki bashing was the term used by skinheads and Millwall neanderthals in the 70's to terrorise anyone who looked remotely Asian - hence it has always been invariably used in a racist sense

It is all a matter of context - black guys I know call eah other Nigger,but woe betide if a white guy calls them that - again its context

Often media and stupid laws to blame - I fight and lose to a black guy, it is a fight and I lost - I do not accept insult or abuse to my wife/children, fight and win, then it is a racist attack...

birdy



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Posts: 154

Message Posted:
11/10/2009 20:18

what do you call someone who come's from NIGER north africa

keldanreb


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Message Posted:
11/10/2009 20:38

parkview

not fair to bring millwall into the debate,the club has worked hard to get rid of racists.i know cause i have been going for 35 years and there are a lot of blacks and ethnics down at millwall.yeh there are some,but are soon dealt with.

Coachie



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Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
12/10/2009 16:47

Littlejohn..I did not think I was defending the use of racist language simply because I do not believe it to be racist.Like I said I do not agree with laws made specifically for one race and those laws to not apply to other races.I can be called all sorts of racist names by Pakistanis and I have no redress,that is what I am defending I suppose.If they wish to reside in England then they have to accept how the British people are.Go to Pakistan and you have to accept what they are,no special provisions for you.Thes are my views and I do not represent the views of the whole of the UK...

lapta29


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Posts: 88

Message Posted:
12/10/2009 17:05

Well put coachie

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
12/10/2009 17:17

Coachie. Message 50. Well said.

Snaefell



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Message Posted:
12/10/2009 17:28

Paki is short for Pakistani, Brit is short for British, Manxie is what we call Manx people. A big fuss about nothing.

kelvin


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Message Posted:
12/10/2009 17:32

Well said snaefell, if he'd of called him a raghead, then it would have been different.

lapta29


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Posts: 88

Message Posted:
12/10/2009 17:58

could have called him a warmongering yank no one would have batted an eyebrow !!

TopTen


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Message Posted:
13/10/2009 11:27

A west indian mate of mine was called "Snowball" by all and sundry and did not give a damn, we all fished and drank and worked together, likewise he had names for us regarding our appearance , and we laughed and never once took offence.

Coachie



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Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
13/10/2009 13:02

I had a good mate in the RAF who was of Nigerian origin and he was always refered to as Midnight and he did not bat an eyelid about it till on day he said we were out of order,and he wanted to be known as 23.59.When asked why he replied that 24.00hrs aka midnight was not a recognised time in the RAF...He was there after known as 23.59....

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
13/10/2009 13:49

For those of you who THINK calling someone a name based on their colour isn't 'offensive'



Imagine you were serving in an Army in ( say ) Southern Africa... if your predominately Black colleagues referred to you as the 'little pink worm' you hardly have any choice.. right ?