When is a degree not a degree

Aslan


Joined: 23/06/2008
Posts: 757

Message Posted:
15/10/2009 10:24

Dear applicant,



Thank you for your application to work as an architect at ......................Ltd, unfortunately your Bachelor of Science degree awarded from Girne American University is not recognised by our company, however if you could take a GCSE in technical drawing we would review your application.



Yours Sincerely



Mr ............................

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
15/10/2009 11:00

If you can sing your curriculum vitae, post the recording to The Three Degrees and see what degree of success you achieve!



Richard

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
15/10/2009 11:03

Have you asked them why they are not recognising your degree?

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
15/10/2009 11:14

The level of Tertiary Education in TRNC falls well behind International standards. From the equivalent of 'O' levels it's straight to University though, students do have a 'foundation' year but it's not up to 'A' level standard. Next step after Graduating is to gain a place at an overseas University to do a 1 year Masters which gives the student a worldwide recognised degree.



Richard

BeeBop


Joined: 16/05/2009
Posts: 70

Message Posted:
15/10/2009 11:15

I understood that degrees awarded in the TRNC are not recognised other than in a handfull of countries including Turkey. Not sure if this is still correct.

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
15/10/2009 11:32

A 4 year degree in TRNC would be a 3 year one OS but to gain International recognition the student needs to do another 1 year at University in another Country.



Clear as mud?!



Richard

elko2



Joined: 24/07/2007
Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
15/10/2009 11:55

Each country has its own body for accredetation however individual companies or persons can have their own preferences and indeed may refuse to recognize some qualifications. I think now Europe has set up its own body for such issues and Bologna process comes to mind. I do not know the details.



Having a Masters degree from a recognized university does not accord recognition to your Bachelors degree. Indeed you can do your masters degree in a completely different discipline. For example someone with a Bachelors degree in engineering may do a masters degree in business studies. I have a bachelors degree in electrical engineering and masters degree in physics. I cannot apply for a job that requires a bachelors degree in physics and it will not be right to argue that I have a masters degree in physics, no way.

ismet

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daisy dukes


Joined: 06/09/2008
Posts: 3815

Message Posted:
15/10/2009 12:14

Just out of curiosity....If the degrees achieved here are not recognised, why does the university have so many students? Surely foreign students could find a university with more recognisable diplomas in other countries?



DD

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
15/10/2009 12:21

DD



The acceptance level of qualification at Secondary level is very low and all candidates are full fee paying. MONEY is your answer!



Richard

keithcaley



Joined: 13/06/2008
Posts: 2521

Message Posted:
15/10/2009 12:25

Daisy,

I'm guessing here, but might it be because the students are from Countries that DO recognise TRNC qualifications?

My "odd job man" is a student from Nigeria, who having gained a degree here, is now studying here for his Masters in the same subject (Clinical Psychology - he has a field day with me! ).

He has a grant from the Nigerian Government, and intends to return to Nigeria in order to be able to 'put something back into his own Country'.

The reason that they sent him here, is that it is a damn sight cheaper than, say, the UK - and they will obviously recognise his qualification, otherwise there would have been no point in sending him here!

- Just my 'take' on the subject, anyway.

Keith.

joandjelly


Joined: 24/02/2008
Posts: 2953

Message Posted:
15/10/2009 12:39

It works the other way round here too. I know a young lady who trained for 6 years and qualified as an architect in the US only to be told on returning home to TRNC that her qualifications were not recognised and she had to go back to university to get her degree here.

elko2



Joined: 24/07/2007
Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
15/10/2009 14:10

I heard that Canada does not recognize any degrees except north American!

ismet

Jetski


Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 584

Message Posted:
15/10/2009 16:52

As an 'unrecognised' entity the TRNC is not signed up to the Bologna process - a process whereby university courses are peer reviewed by other universities. For instance, a design history course at Plymouth will be peer reviewed by a professor from Brighton. As it stands 'degrees' in TRNC are of little more relevance than a GCSE in the rest of Europe. That doesn't mean to say that candidates are of lower academic ability or prowess - just that they haven't been tested to the same degree, and probably have not been educated to the same standard.



S

AlexF065


Joined: 07/09/2009
Posts: 271

Message Posted:
15/10/2009 17:03

well it cost enough for GB residents to gain a degree from GB uni's so one can only speculate as to how much it would cost a non EU student.

Also there are very very stringent entry visa requirements around money ect as people on student visas have to prove they can support themselves money wise as they are not allowed to work as no work permit will apparently be issued to a student visa applicant (I was told this a couple of years or so ago by a chap on my god daughters floor at the university accommodations)

which do make things very very expencive