when was cyprus owned by the greeks?

loulou



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Message Posted:
15/10/2009 16:42

an article in local paper

AlsancakJack



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Message Posted:
15/10/2009 16:51

loulou

Did you mean to post a link?

If not which paper did you read it in?

AJ

newlad



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Message Posted:
15/10/2009 17:13

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_Cypriots

yorgozlu



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Message Posted:
15/10/2009 17:31

No need for a link guys,the answer is simple,"NO",Cyprus was never owned by the Greeks,regardless how far back you go.







ps.No need for reply,facts dont lie.

AlsancakJack



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Message Posted:
15/10/2009 17:56

yorgozlu

So that is it then? debate finished and time to close the thread? Or do you want to bring some 'Island education' to those that have not yet had the privilege of understanding the history of of this wonderful Island.

AJ

Brinsley


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Message Posted:
15/10/2009 18:04

Do you think it might have just been possible that centuries ago the Polynesians rowed across the Oceans and made it to the shores of Cyprus? If so, as a Kiwi, I claim the whole of Cyprus for NZ!



Richard

halffull


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Message Posted:
15/10/2009 18:11

Glad someone said this, I have used it when stating the case fot the TCs and I see there are no argumentative members refuting the statement!!

Geoff


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Message Posted:
15/10/2009 18:15

When was it owned by the TCs? ANSWER: NOW

Brinsley


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Message Posted:
15/10/2009 18:31

1571! well, that was before I came along and declared it Kiwi land in the Northern Hemisphere!



Richard

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
15/10/2009 18:36

Dear Yorgozlu



Was it part of - ever 'owned' by Turkey ?



It has certainly been ruled by folk of Hellenic and Ottoman ethnicity.. I've even noted that some folk might speak Greek or Turkish.. in fact that Greek has been spoken by the majority of the population, even during reign of the Persians Romans Byzantines Lusignans, 'English' Genoans/ Venetians Ottomans and British times..



What is the criteria for this discussion.. ?



If you want to know the longest period in 'recent' history that CY has enjoyed one ruler.. it was Byzantine.. that's Hellenic ( 'Greek')



What say you, Hans.. ?

Brinsley


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Message Posted:
15/10/2009 18:52

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm



I speak a few words of Maori and can do the Haka, therefore the whole Island is mine by rights!



Richard

yorgozlu



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Message Posted:
15/10/2009 18:55

Dear mmmmmmm;

There are lots of "english" spoken countrys around the world.

Does that make them "english"?



If you gonna make comments ,do the wright thing and stay on topic.





I'll say once again;

AT NO POINT IN HISTORY CYPRUS WAS OWNED BY "GREEKS"



I havent been commenting on Cyprus issues latlely,

I know what I know,and I also know what you dont Mark and of course the others with same attitude.





AJ:

It is impossible to educate self centred people,hence the reason I dont often comment anymore.Unless,of course someone trys to paint us with their opinions as facts.

Brinsley


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Message Posted:
15/10/2009 19:05

Salahi



Does this mean you've 'divorced' all us 'Aliens'! Come back, all is forgiven! I'm taking over so there's hope for all!



Richard

AlexF065


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Message Posted:
15/10/2009 19:08

Cyprus has never been "Owned" by ayone

From differing types of atrifax that has been found it would seem there have been lots of differing Invaders

Assyrians.Egyptions,Persians. then there was a ptotemaic rule which is apparently the time Hellenisation is said to have happend

but after this time cyprus was said to be a roman province if you read some of pauls letters to the corinthians you will find some mention as he is supposed to have christianised cyprus, there was then an Arab invasion which is followed by the crusaders (Richard the lionheart)

then in the late 1800 GB took over from the ottoman empire then in the 1960ies they gained independance (of a sort)

Tenakoutou



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Message Posted:
15/10/2009 19:24

Richard/Msg 6: 'Do you think it might have just been possible that centuries ago the Polynesians rowed across the Oceans and made it to the shores of Cyprus? If so, as a Kiwi, I claim the whole of Cyprus for NZ!'



Of course it is not only possible, Richard - it happened!



The word 'tiki' in Greek means 'luck' - a Maori 'tiki' is symbolic of luck in the form of a (greenstone) foetus. How lucky for some to get a sprog!



Since the Greeks were always a lazy lot, but the Polynesians were the world's greatest rowers - so obviously the Greeks purloined the word 'tiki' - QED!



Another reason to claim the island for 'maori reclamation' - tena koutou - kia ora!

Brinsley


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Message Posted:
15/10/2009 19:27

Msg 14



1878 UK 'RENTED' the Island from the Ottomans but reneged on payment in 1914 negating their Lease agreement. Always trust a Brit, true to their word!



Richard

waddo


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Message Posted:
15/10/2009 19:34

Is the Island not owned by Cypriots? Some speak Greek and that is as close as they get to being Greek and some speak Turkish, again as close as they get to being Turkish.



Greeks come from Greece and nowhere else and as the Island has never been and never will be part of Greece then there can not be any Greeks here that own it. Same holds true for Turkey and any other nationality that may, at some time in the past, have made a claim to this Island.



True owners - Cypriots and so it should always be.

JohnW


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Message Posted:
15/10/2009 19:40

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyprus_Convention

HildySmith


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Message Posted:
15/10/2009 19:41

Ottoman's conquest of Cyprus in 1571, saved the Greek population from serfdom, and servitude to the Latin church. Cypriot Greeks were now able to take control of their land they had been working on for centuries. The local Christians resumed practicing their religion in the only acceptable way they knew. The patriarch serving the Ottoman king also acted as an ethnarch, a leader of the nation, thus enabling the local Orthodox representative to practice secular powers, for instance in adjudicating justice and in the collection of taxes.



Despite the heavy oppression the period of Ottoman occupation (1570-1878) did little to change Greek Cypriot culture outright. The Ottomans tended to administer their multicultural empire with the help of their subject millets, or religious communities. The tolerance of the millet system permitted the Greek Cypriot community to survive, administered for Istanbul by the Archbishop of the Orthodox Church of Cyprus, who became the community's head. mmmmm

JohnW


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Message Posted:
15/10/2009 19:42

1914

• Turkey sides with Germany during the Great War.

• Britain annexes Cyprus.



1915

• Britain offers Cyprus to Greece on condition Greece enters war. Greece refuses offer.



1922

• Britain annexes Cyprus after Turkey's defeat in Great War.



1923

• Turkey renounces all claim to Cyprus in favour of Britain by the Treaty of Lausanne.

HildySmith


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Message Posted:
15/10/2009 19:48

The question is

- Do the Greek Cypriots class themselves as Greek first, Greek Cypriots second. Or do they class themselves as 'Cypriots'

Most I have spoken to class themselves as 'Greek first and Cypriots second'

- Do the the Turkish Cypriots class themselves as Turkish first and Turkish Cypriots second or do they class themselves as 'Cypriots'

Most I have spoken to class themselves as Cypriots first and Turkish second.

Therein lies the answer - or does it????

JohnW


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Message Posted:
15/10/2009 19:56

In 1990 samples from 116 Turkish Cypriot, 303 Greek Cypriot, 235 mainland turks and 174 mainland greeks were tested in the US by professor Huisman.



Genetic illness and DNA expert Dr. Erol Baysal with the assistance of english, turkish, cypriot and greek experts conducted the work, and found that the Turkish Cypriot and Greek Cypriot DNA was very close.



Even though the Greek Cypriot and Turkish Cypriot see the mainland as there genetic source they are very far apart and also very different and that certain codes in the DNA which can only be found in cypriots was conclusive proof that Greek Cypriot and Turkish Cypriot were the only ones that have this DNA.



Even though it was always assumed that Turkish Cypriot and Greek Cypriot were close this showed they were much closer than could be anticipated.

Brinsley


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Message Posted:
15/10/2009 19:59

Bullshit, Turkey was blackmailed and as a bankrupt Country, then had nowhere else to go and the 'Treaty' was not even translated correctly! Cyprus is Turkish!



Well, except for me if you want a Kiwi to run it properly and honestly!



Richard

Jetski


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Message Posted:
15/10/2009 20:09

Katymackem -



Interesting post of yours. There's a page that quotes you word for word at http://www.country-data.com/cgi-bin/query/r-3486.html ......... Did you write that one aswell?



It's always good to see some original ideas on this forum, but please don't plagiarise. It only shows lack of depth.



S

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
15/10/2009 20:59

RE msg 10, 6xm: (...) If you want to know the longest period in 'recent' history that CY has enjoyed one ruler.. it was Byzantine.. that's Hellenic ( 'Greek') What say you, Hans.. ? (...)

=> A bit late in responding, sorry, Mark, but I was on the road today. The answer to your question is: you are right.

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
15/10/2009 21:10

I read this thread with great interest - and amazement. A whole lot of new versions of history, I'm forced to say. Go on, board members. This thread may be ended - without copied text from highly suspicious sources - with historical facts. Watch this space.

Brinsley


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Message Posted:
15/10/2009 21:11

Msg 24



Plagiarism, cheating, copying, piracy, free-booting, plundering, rifling, is common practice in TRNC. Do you live here? No lies in your reply, please! Welcome to Bandit Land!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Richard

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
15/10/2009 21:25

Richard, some (roughly) 1300 years ago the opposite coast of Cyprus, Turkey, had the "nickname" of "Coast of the Pirates". The times, they are a'changing...

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
15/10/2009 21:50

Dear Yorgozlu re 12



>>There are lots of "english" spoken countrys around the world.



Does that make them "english"?



If you gonna make comments ,do the [ w]right thing and stay on topic. <<







Did I not ask WHAT is the criteria ( for deciding ownership ) in this discussion in msg 10 !?



If you name was Rodney, I'd say you were a 'plonker' .. ))



COME on, Yorg .. you 'was' right in msg 4 .. Neither the 'Greeks, nor 'Turks' own Cyprus..



Do check out the APOEL thread - re the 'Cyprus is Greek' banners..



I could understand my Kiwi mate getting it wrong .. but YOU ? ;)





re msg 19/ 24 Katy / Jetski



Jetki, be nice to Katy .. She may not have been trying to claim it was her work... !



BTW *I* recognised it from Wiki .. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_Cypriots )

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
15/10/2009 21:55

Katy



re 21 I think I agree with you re: many GCs might say they are 'Greek' and TCs 'Cypriot'... but I wonder what many / most TCs would have said 35/ 40 years ago...



What you say is quite interesting.. during Euro 2008 qualifiers, I went to a large pub nr Limassol showing four matches on large screens.. Most GCs watched TR v GR, they weren't interested in the Cyprus match ;)

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
15/10/2009 22:12

sorry, Hans, re msg 25.. THANKS..



now about our timekeeping.. we must meet sometime ;)))

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
15/10/2009 22:27

RE msg 31: (...) now about our timekeeping.. we must meet sometime ;))) (...)

=> Any time, for a good discussion, dear enemmmmmmy... You have my mobile phone number, don't you?

Aussie


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Message Posted:
15/10/2009 22:28

The Byzantine Empire was formed as the eastern part of the Roman Empire with Constatinople as its capital and its citizens regarded and referred to themselves primarily as Romans. For many centuries Latin was spoken by the ruling classes and military elite and often in official codes before Greek became the main language due to the practicalities involved with the majority of the population being primarily Greek speaking.



Of course the Greek they spoke is a completely different language to the modern Greek spoken today in Greece or Cyprus.



As for genetics modern Greeks and Greek Cypriots are probably as closely related to Byzantine Greeks as the average Italian is to an ancient Roman.



Also the vast extent of Byzantium at its peakt covered many different peoples like Rome or the Ottoman Empire and was quite different in character to modern Greece.



Aussie

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
15/10/2009 22:31

RE msg 30, 6xm: (...) What you say is quite interesting.. during Euro 2008 qualifiers, I went to a large pub nr Limassol showing four matches on large screens.. Most GCs watched TR v GR, they weren't interested in the Cyprus match ;) (...)

=> And all the GC's were cheering Turkey, weren't they...?!

jinyx


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Message Posted:
15/10/2009 22:39

Well well ! seems to me that there are a lot of you backing up the turkish cause!. Before I go any further, I will make it clear that I have both turkish, and greek friends, and, having lived in northern ireland, with both catholic and protestant friends, all of which I think the same, I find the northern cyprus problem very simlar. Both causes are much the same to me, and I have listened to the rights and the wrongs of each side. One question keeps coming to mind on the northern cyprus issue, and the opinion of the british living here. Do you back the turkish cypriot cause because you have invested in property here and are afraid to lose it? and if it were the greeks in northern cyprus, would you be backing them?. Tell me, If the turkish give thanks for your support, then why do they make it so difficult to live here?, or are they just after the money you bring in?. I know the turks had a bad deal just as the catholics had in N.I. but would you harp on about it if you lived there?.

jinyx


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Message Posted:
15/10/2009 22:52

Just to add, I know greeks who dont agree with the injustice given to the turkish, and protestants who dont agree with the injustice given to catholics in northern ireland, and they, and only they, have the right to an opinion, the rest of us are only bystanders and should keep stum !

Brinsley


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Message Posted:
15/10/2009 23:08

Jinyx



No worries, the Kiwi's are coming to salvage the whole World! Me, as World Dictator!!!!



Richard

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
15/10/2009 23:14

Hi Jinyx



How's about ye, wee maun.(?).. if you are a lady.... Whoops !



re 35/6



I guess you could ask those questions of 'our' men Ken and John who list homes in 'TRNC' .. as one of them listed their pad as an asset in the list for Stormont, I asked if it is was on 'exchange' title.. and to this day I seem to be on their 'ignore' list ;)

Brinsley


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Message Posted:
15/10/2009 23:28

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm



'M' meets 'M' in bed with a 'Red' not knowing it's not under the bed until 007 takes them all onto the top of bed resolving all 'M's problems giving them all a great dose of his Narcissistic self importance!



Richard

jinyx


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Message Posted:
15/10/2009 23:42

Got me there richard ! . And mmmmm, you forgot to mention martin mac, seen him the other day, ignored me!, wonder why?

Brinsley


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Message Posted:
16/10/2009

Jinyx



I have to be very careful as I wish not be banned yet again! It was a cryptic retort to

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

But I wonder whether even he can decrypt my replies and the meanings therein!



Richard

yorgozlu



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Message Posted:
16/10/2009 08:48

Dear mmmmmmmm re 29;

Getting what wrong?



Read the Q,msg 1 again.At no point it was asked "where the Greeks originate from" nor the Turks for that matter.

So,lets take the Q as it is and also answer as it is.I am Turkish Cypriot,not Ottoman!!(of course,only when it suits me!!)

HildySmith


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Message Posted:
28/10/2009 18:24

No it was not my words, I was repeating words said by my Son who is stationed in Akritiri. He lives with and mixes with the Greeks. He comes up north a lot for diving and fun. This was his observations of living with and meeting both communities. (he will be chuffed to think that someone else is an intelligent as him - I am sure!!!!!!)