dont buy in northern cyprus

taraspring


Joined: 25/01/2009
Posts: 571

Message Posted:
17/10/2009 00:54

My friend said it is a minefield.

Dont trust anyone.

Lawyers are corrupt.

Estate Agents are worsel

Developers just take your cash and bugger off.



Who can you trust - NO-One - Look at AGA SAGA (garry robber)

Keep ya money in the bank. (or under the mattress)

Be safe!

T (with a crystal ball)

newlad



Joined: 02/03/2008
Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
17/10/2009 01:15

Just tell your friend to buy with Carringtons,

Paul.

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
17/10/2009 01:38

Tara szo happy to see you posting xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Jeannie


Joined: 04/08/2009
Posts: 3283

Message Posted:
17/10/2009 02:20

Welcome back Tara - have missed you



J



PS Do you think you may be a little late with your post - horse, stable door, etc,



Jean

Jeannie


Joined: 04/08/2009
Posts: 3283

Message Posted:
17/10/2009 02:35

Tara - PS Are you considering re-opening the Problem Page?



If so, you know where I am!



J (your trusty deputy in times of need)

bootneck



Joined: 23/06/2008
Posts: 242

Message Posted:
17/10/2009 10:04

With you on that one Newlad!!

elko2



Joined: 24/07/2007
Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
17/10/2009 10:28

In Famagusta Noyanlar Construction and also Dovec Construction are pretty good, they deliver title deeds pretty promptly.

Three years ago my sister wanted to buy a flat from Dovec which was ready to move in. Half of the money to be paid on delivery of keys and the other half on tranfer of title deeds. Fair enough and he thought that the title deeds would be ready in two months. We got the keys and wanted to have electricity connected. They asked for a written agreement stamped properly of course. I told Dovec Construction about the stamp requirement and without hesitation he asked me:"Is it ok if we pay 50-50?". That was a deal. I had the agreement stamped and he paid me half of it in cash. After one and half months I got a phone call from him, the title deeds were ready. As easy as that. Oh one more thing: in order to get things going properly, I set up the Apartment Mangement officially and had it registered. Unfortunately I had to become the manager and kept it for two years

elko2



Joined: 24/07/2007
Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
17/10/2009 10:33

before I could find another mug to take it over. The bank account and electricity for the stairs and the lift all registered in the name of the Apartment Management. There was one unit not sold yet and Dovec happily accepted to pay the management costs for that unit, no problem at all. As far as I know, this is the only apartment management registered officially in Famagusta. It was fun paying for the electricity. The Kib-tek man had to type "Apt." short for "Apartment" and the account would show on the screen-it had to becaue it was the only one.

ismet

http://www.elkocyprus.com

negativenick


Joined: 10/11/2008
Posts: 6023

Message Posted:
17/10/2009 11:01

er, what about the litter, lack of infrastructure, land issues, litter, lack of recourse via the courts in case of problems, the piles and piles of dumped rubbish....



did i mention the litter ?



unless you of course buy from Carringtons, and all your problems just melt away.....

Aga Buyers A G


Joined: 04/10/2007
Posts: 488

Message Posted:
17/10/2009 11:58

don't they sell coal ?





it all goes up in smoke





xxxxxxx

Aga Buyers A G


Joined: 04/10/2007
Posts: 488

Message Posted:
17/10/2009 11:59

Aw no thats Charringtons...................



:0)

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
17/10/2009 12:05

More doooom and gloooom, just think of all those up in the grave yard, they would just love to be able to have the same problems as some of us on here. Yes, we all have problems where ever we buy, lifes not for just sailing through, be very nice if every thing went hunky dory but it just doesnt.

So look on the bright side you are alive and still posting xx

bootneck



Joined: 23/06/2008
Posts: 242

Message Posted:
17/10/2009 12:15

Sorry Nick why do you seem to have a problem with Carringtons as all the post you respond to carringtons always pop up negative!!

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
17/10/2009 12:43

tara



i think i saw your lips move.





nn



i was going to suggest you move to another country ,however i believe you should stay ,the kktc

needs people like you ,to keep it afloat.







musin



long live the kktc

negativenick


Joined: 10/11/2008
Posts: 6023

Message Posted:
17/10/2009 13:11

mess 13 - absolutely no problems with Carringtons - understand they build fine villas

bazilbrush


Joined: 29/03/2008
Posts: 404

Message Posted:
17/10/2009 13:14

You can praise the estate agent/builder of your choice as much as you like, they can only sell you a property, they cant stop the builder going bankrupt or doing a runner with your money and sadly at the end of the day it may be your own countrymen that will lose you your home in the uk courts. Can't see this actually happening but who knows...........!!!!! With low interest rates and rising costs now all over the world its amazing how anyone can afford to even think about buying property.

newlad



Joined: 02/03/2008
Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
17/10/2009 13:17

And apartments Nick,

Paul.

minertor



Joined: 14/02/2009
Posts: 1238

Message Posted:
17/10/2009 13:33

Taraspring: It's like everything else in life, all the bad points are shouted from the rooftops. We had a good estate agent, Fraser & Beyler, (now Donaghy & Beyler) an excellent lawyer, Ouzaghan Hasipoglu, of Lawyers at Cyprus, who also acted for the builder, Kibris Insaat, but not to my detriment. Big snagging list but promptly sorted. I don't know if my land is Greek, Turkish, Cypriot or whatever, I've never tried to find out. If a problem arises I'll have to deal with it then. Until it does, I'll not lose any sleep over it. If I could go back to 2003 I wouldn't do anything different. There are plenty of properties to rent here, long or short term. The pessimists will tell you that they're there because people can't sell them. Two of my English neighbours haven't been here for five years, they bought to let and have made a tidy profit. Leasing for six or twelve months might be your best option, then you can make your own mind up.



Tony

Woodspeckie


Joined: 25/01/2009
Posts: 2263

Message Posted:
17/10/2009 15:15

Dizzycows. Could be that some of those in the graveyard did have the problems there.

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
17/10/2009 16:04

Woodspeckie, I expect a lot of horrible things have happened to some people, and am sorry for these people, but there are a lot that are happy with what they have. It was meant to try and get some rashionalization into some that life does go wrong sometimes, but at least they are alive and kicking to try and sort, perhaps some should start to be grateful for this.

Minertor is so right with his attitude, every one has to deal with their own problems when they arise. A fact of life.

If buying in NC has turned out horribly wrong, we will all have to get up, brush ourselves off, and get on with it, wont we, .........

pilgrim



Joined: 11/05/2007
Posts: 1404

Message Posted:
17/10/2009 16:15

Taraspring, Alias Pikey or Juliet?

lapta29


Joined: 09/10/2009
Posts: 88

Message Posted:
17/10/2009 16:49

pilgrim



Tara is a wise old bird she says it as it is without influence or bias Why ridicule her for having an opinion ??

pilgrim



Joined: 11/05/2007
Posts: 1404

Message Posted:
17/10/2009 17:14

Lapta29,

I ,ve read her previous posts and currently my opinion is otherwise, but I'm open to see what develops.

Smity



Joined: 14/09/2009
Posts: 826

Message Posted:
17/10/2009 17:59

WE bought from a couple wanting to relocate to the UK

Looked at the property, checked all the details

Went as smoth as silk.

Right people

Right Advocate

Right price



SORTED

DO NOT BUY WHAT YOU CANT SEE is my advise

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
17/10/2009 18:46

lapta 29



tara is a wise old bird ...........



have you read the first line of her sentence ,my friend said ......



and on this basis ,people should not buy properties,because someones friend tells you to.



pilgrim



i,m with you mate.



musin



long live the kktc

pilgrim



Joined: 11/05/2007
Posts: 1404

Message Posted:
17/10/2009 19:27

Thanks Musin

p

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
17/10/2009 19:29

Taraspring is a spring chicken! she is not even hit the big 40 yet!! So come stop calling her a wise old bird, she maybe wise but not old, xx

Blackpoolfan


Joined: 03/12/2008
Posts: 1568

Message Posted:
17/10/2009 20:38

Pilgrim

Im with you little boy in a sailor suit i fear can smell the Seman from a mile away..............

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
17/10/2009 20:47

Pilgrim Paul

Elko2 Ismet



Where were you both this morning????



Richard

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
17/10/2009 20:58

Both having a lie in!! Brinsley keep up the good work, we are all behind you, lol xx

girne 29


Joined: 06/12/2007
Posts: 1488

Message Posted:
17/10/2009 21:05

Dizzycows



Stop defending the indefensible.

If I lose thousands of pounds or my property I am supposed to be thankful because dead people would wish to be alive to have those problems.

Might as well say the same for burglary!

Sure things happen and you have to move on, but because a rape victim moves on , that

doesnt mean rape is all right.



The system for buying property in TRNC is corrupt, end of story.

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
17/10/2009 21:42

Richard

Ref: mesage 29

I presume you are talking about the UBP meeting. Any chance you (or anyone else for that matter) could start a new thread and explain the proceedings for all of those that were not able to make it.



Regards

AJ

pilgrim



Joined: 11/05/2007
Posts: 1404

Message Posted:
17/10/2009 21:55

Richard , in UK, back in NC Tuesday, in Girne Thusday lunchtime, time for a beer in the Harbour? email me.

regards

p

elko2



Joined: 24/07/2007
Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
17/10/2009 22:29

Richard,

What about this morning, anything special? Have I missed something?

ismet

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
17/10/2009 22:31

AJ



I arrived just before 11am as the PM took to the stage. My question was written/printed out prior and delivered to a Gentleman in control of procedures. He Understood my script and translating, posed the question at the end. Unfortunately the speech was so loud that my bi-lingual friend had problems trying to inform me of what was being said. Not worth a new thread!



Paul



Watermill Hotel okay? Please confirm.



Richard

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
17/10/2009 22:53

Taraspring,



I am trying very hard to disagree with your statement . Unfortunately reality has proven me wrong.



After ten days in the TRNC I am appalled by the business practices. DO NOT kill The goose that lays the golden egg.



Cyprus Marble, Green Gardens, Garden Life................unless you want factual accounts of your corrupt business practices



published on a public forum, put matters right!! This is your last chance before exposure of your business practices are made



public.



Chapter and verse.......wynyardman @ btinternet.com. Do not spoil Heaven on Earth!!!!!



wynyardman

negativenick


Joined: 10/11/2008
Posts: 6023

Message Posted:
17/10/2009 23:05

mess 36 - we've all been there Wyn and i'm sure you've got more to come...

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
17/10/2009 23:35

Ismet



Unbeknown to me of the 'Party' colours I turned up in wearing an orange colour shirt and black shorts which are exactly the same shade of the UBP colours! You would have put a far better perspective on the matters uttered than I could possibly do. But old laws and new laws, how Girne has expanded, many thanks to the Hotel for allowing the meeting, why we are so wonderful, etc etc! Was about the gist of it. Lots of Secret Police with cameras around. Look at my post about giving us the vote!



Richard

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
17/10/2009 23:36

To Wyn and tara hang on in. Wyn my lovely friend I dolove you and Im so very sorryy that you have these probs hang on fight on xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
17/10/2009 23:47

Seems like Lilli is divorcing me in her 'love' table!!!!



Richard

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
17/10/2009 23:52

brins never ever i love you you know that xxxxx

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
18/10/2009 00:17

Wynyardman it would help some of us if we knew what these companies have done, or are you not able to reveal whats got you angry ? ....... Please dont think Im getting at you, but have not followed all of the accounts that have happened to every one. .....



girne 29, I am not defending the indefensible as you say, but it is a fact that many issues just do arise when buying in any country. Nobody can ever have all the foresight to what the governments might do, as has happened in NC. Many people have lost every thing in GB, gready banks, houses sold, equity plans re selling house to release money, pensions that were there once but now gone, and much much more that are corrupt.....

Nunu1


Joined: 31/03/2008
Posts: 536

Message Posted:
18/10/2009 00:18

hi Taraspring,

I can recommend FraserMeridies estate agents in Girne and High Hills Developments. Both have been honest and Professional. There will always be some problems or complications on the way buying property wherever you go in the world!



Like all walks of life there is good and bad amongst all!!



Good Luck!



nunu1

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
18/10/2009 00:30

dizzycows,



I am loathe to criticise any business. I know how hard it is to earn an honest crust from a small business.



This posting was an opportunity to correct their business practise, which appears endemic in the TRNC. ( the subject of the posting)



Put matters right....or face the wrath of Cy44 members. Remember they are your tomorrows customers!!!



wynyardman





Opposed to anything that depresses the human spirit!

Hector


Joined: 26/08/2008
Posts: 2352

Message Posted:
18/10/2009 00:56

"We had a good estate agent, Fraser & Beyler, (now Donaghy & Beyler) an excellent lawyer, Ouzaghan Hasipoglu, of Lawyers at Cyprus, who also acted for the builder, Kibris Insaat, but not to my detriment. Big snagging list but promptly sorted. I don't know if my land is Greek, Turkish, Cypriot or whatever, I've never tried to find out"



Well you wont get conned then ...

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
18/10/2009 01:09

WYNYARDMAN, Crikey, I have just read the thread on greystones construction, I am so sorry that you have had to put up with such a--h---s with your build. I wish you well in your fight and will be rooting for you boy. All the best with the case, and luv & xxxxx to ya.

girne 29


Joined: 06/12/2007
Posts: 1488

Message Posted:
18/10/2009 12:06

Dizzycows



Correct, things happen in other countries,but I am not talking about people losing money or home due to banks ,stock market etc .Even if borderline they are not breaking the law,or and if they do you have recourse .





What we are talking about here, is total lack of recourse to law when it comes to property.

This is made all the more worse when we read the blurb about being based on UK law.



When anyone has asked I have not told them not to buy,but have told of the extra things they need to take on board that they will not have thought of,but as encouragement I tell what can be done to help.



Can take many years to get ownership of what you pay for(,so only buy from someone with title.)

Contract is not enforceable, (again doesnt matter to much for non offplan.)

Legal system not applicable if you have problem. (Get good lawyer to forestall problems.)



As an investor, I wish the dirty laundry had been aired years ago ,then by now corrective action would have been

girne 29


Joined: 06/12/2007
Posts: 1488

Message Posted:
18/10/2009 12:22

47 cont



taken and we might have had a property market booming.



Instead, many of us, especially 2-3 years ago shouted down those that brought these issues up ,by calling them whingers.

We also came out with things like ',it happens elsewhere', 'its the cyprus way and kind of quaint at that.'

its a young economy and mistakes will happen'.if you dont like it you shouldnt have bought'(that must have helped Ameranta Valley buyers)



This atitude ,I believe ,did great harm as it confirmed to the authorities that all was well, after all 90% of us that had bought were ok with the system and only a few malcontents were moaning. Why change things?























Now things have reached the point of no return

jock1



Joined: 06/01/2008
Posts: 3786

Message Posted:
18/10/2009 12:29

msg 48, So what your saying is we are doomed!!!!

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
18/10/2009 12:40

girne 29, I accept that the things happening in NC are being or have been made worse by lack of monitoring the legal system, but most of this would not have come to light before the 'boom' as the voice of people were not heard, to small a number of developments. With the boom in moved the get rich quick lot, hence many very unhappy people, and quite rightly so.



It is a fact that we British are a soft touch, to trusting, as we have been brought up in a society of morals, (not now). We as Brits have seemed the touchables, but IF NC do go into the EU I think you will find these corrupt lawyers/builders will be sought and action taken.



Fortunatly we bought a ready built with Kocan, as I just could not be a---d with the problems, snagging, electric, and water, .....my temper is not that good, sometimes! My patience with developers/directors would have clashed big time.....

girne 29


Joined: 06/12/2007
Posts: 1488

Message Posted:
18/10/2009 14:22

" So what your saying is we are doomed!!!!



No, I am really fortunate that my biggest problem is associated with my Place in the Sun.

Being doomed might not be a connection most people would make with holiday home purchasers.,especially by those who face losing their real homes in these hard economic times.



My point is that I want a strong property market,which in turn will bring prosperity to the North, and make all our lives better.This will never happen if we indicate to the authorities, thro our atitudes , that people will purchase regardless,when we know the opposite is happening.



Dizzycows.

I do actually agree with you that we should move on and play the hand we are dealt .I dont have a problem as I consider I am in a happy enough situation as regards NC. For some , Amaranta ?,that might be diificult to do.



We are using our experiences to give a risk assessment, it doesnt mean one shouldnt buy, rather try and reduce those risks. Bit like a speed trap warning.

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
18/10/2009 15:15

Jock1, cos we aint all dooooooooomed, its very bad that these things have come about in NC, and wish all caught up in their own nightmare the very best.



As for advising people not to buy in NC, this is an individuals decision, if every one went about being so cautious, nothing ever would be gained. Just my persional thoughts as someone who has always took chances, sometimes I'v won, sometimes I'v lost. ......but mostly I'v won, ....so far!!!

AlexF065


Joined: 07/09/2009
Posts: 271

Message Posted:
18/10/2009 15:58

I think from all I have seen and read on this very valuble forum

I would agree with Smithy

do not buy what you cannot see and i would add touch

Buy second hand accomodation or accomodation that is built already

do NOT buy off plan it may be a few thousand cheaper but is all the worry worth it?



Just look at what poor wyn and his fellow buyers are going through hundered thousand odd pounds and nothing as yet resolved

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
18/10/2009 17:57

Very sound advise AlexF065, think a lot on here would now look before they leap. Have read the thread on Greystones construction, and to read this every one was saying how wonderful they were, and how they could recommend this firm. But now several years down the runway all are not happy, ....its very sad reading......:(