Greek PM says Cyprus “should be free of motherlands”

malsancak


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Message Posted:
19/10/2009 09:33

"Greek PM says Cyprus “should be free of motherlands”" article on http://www.northcyprusfreepress.com

Mal

moonrakers


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Message Posted:
19/10/2009 10:40

Maybe he should tell the Apoel supporters this ?



Moonrakers

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
19/10/2009 10:49

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What do YOU think, malsancak / moonrakers ? SHOULDN'T it?!



>>During Karamanlis’ term, co-operation between Greece and Cyprus was on a very basic level, with Athens routinely backing the political decisions of Nicosia.<<



and QUITE right, too



GR was sending a pretty clear signal to the "rump" RoC to NEGOTIATE... not repeat mantras re UN sec. council resolutions .. ESPECIALLY since the Annan fiasco of Apr 2004 - where a President LIED to his electorate about the role of the UN.

TRNCVaughan


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Message Posted:
19/10/2009 10:58

hi mmmmmmmm,



Of course Cyprus should, and I hope that one day it will be, but that will require a mentality change in RoC.

In TRNC it may soon (if it hasn't already) get to the point where the TR part of the population sees TR quite differently than the way TCs do. They already outnumber the indigenous poulation and to them TR is and always will be THEIR motherland.

malsancak


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Message Posted:
19/10/2009 11:07

Lots of good points there, my own opinion is that a united Cyprus is preferable but what would be the preference of northern Cyprus voters be, that's what is going to decide it and, as Vaughan says, there are moves that seem to be changing the balance towards a TC mainlander majority? Why do I feel that GCs are going to regret their 2004 'NO!" vote?

Mal

TRNCVaughan


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Message Posted:
19/10/2009 11:51

TCs are still leaving this country and, as ex-president Denktash said- "As one Turk leaves another one arrives".

This was a clear referrence to TCs leaving and TRs arriving.

It is also clear that whereas a large part of the population of RoC just think they are Greeks, the largest part of the population of TRNC really are Turks.

Mal is not the only one who feels RoC may have missed the boat in 2004.

moonrakers


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Message Posted:
19/10/2009 14:46

The Gcs want to look upon Greece as a 'big brother' who will get them out of trouble in a fight. This was also a reason for joining the EU as they think they will get protection .

Why they look upon Greece as a 'motherland' defeats me. Cyprus has never been ruled by Greece....and never will.

The 2004 boat has left and there won't be another soon!!



Moonrakers

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
19/10/2009 16:46

Hi "TRNC"

re msgs..4/6



you WELL know, I also worried for GCs that they may have missed the best 'deal' they were ever going to get.. and it could have been better.. if Liealotopoulos had even tried to negotiate - rather than the UN filling in the blanks..



For sure there are more Turks than TCs, in the 'north'. So any vote on CY has to decide who is a 'citizen'..



Cyprus has never been ruled by Greece....and never will.



Sure, but the Hellenic origins are from Byzantine times and they DID 'rule' the island for 900 years ! ..



Not that should make a difference, now



Greece 'washed' their hands of CY by getting the RoC IN the EU ..

moonrakers


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Message Posted:
19/10/2009 17:26

The Byzantite empire started when the Roman Empire was split into east & west.......Greek ??

malsancak


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Message Posted:
19/10/2009 17:49

I always though Hellenisation was a cultural thing, a bit like the British preferring American music and films in the 1950s. In the case of Hellenisation it was supposed to be a sign of culture to speak Greek and adopt Greek ideas in the 323 BC to about 146 BC period.

Mal

moonrakers


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Message Posted:
19/10/2009 18:06

Yes mmmm & malsancak I accept Hellenism was an ideal during the Byzantine period in Cyprus.

How does that make present day Greece the 'motherland' in Cyprus ?



Confused.



Moonrakers

clarets



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Message Posted:
19/10/2009 19:48

I agree with you Moonrakers. Byzantines.....Hellenists.......not 2 words that I had actually linked with each other.As you correctly state, The Byzantines were the eastern part of the Roman empire and their capitals were intially in Anatolia and then on the Bosphorus.....if my geography is correct,then that equates to modern Turkey!.They did adopt Greek as their language after about 400 years of separation from Rome, but that was more to do with not wanting Latin as their official language! So....Hellenists? I think not.

malsancak


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Message Posted:
19/10/2009 20:59

msg 11, moonraker said "How does that make present day Greece the 'motherland' in Cyprus ? "

It think it's something like we speak Greek and that originated in Greece so we must be Greek. You see Americans saying much the same about mother England - NOT!

Mal

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
19/10/2009 21:43

Dear Clarets



re msg 12



>>Byzantines Hellenists? I think not.<<



Hmm, it HAS been too long, Iain ;)



I think we can safely say that neither Greece OR Turkey had ruled CY.. but the roots to both 'Mother' cultures are still prevalent



Now when are you fav team going to win away from home..? Is the drive down the road to Blackburn too much for 'em... Don't the boys travel well ;)



Keep watching out for that writ in the hot-tub :P

andre 514


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Message Posted:
20/10/2009 00:09

these guys are politicians, so when the greek pm refers to motherlands

it is a coded reference to the turkish "motherland" of north cyprus I guess,

rather than the all-cyprus "motherland" of the greek cypriots



a good parallel is gordon brown and "carbon capture",

worthy-sounding and generally most welcome as a principal,

if distant or unattainable in any practical sense



whatever you or I or the next bloke may wish on cyprus,

another five years of the iron grip of sanctions on the trnc

are hardly likely to bring about an all cyprus-motherland,

except in the minds of those bigots who indulge in wishful thinking



as regards the so-called population balance in the north,

one ray of light in the impasse is christophias "allowing" say 50k turks to stay

if indeed he really meant that or was even allowed to offer it



at least a gc veto has little or no relevance,

because sarkozy won't have turkey inside the eu come what may,

his motherland has a christian european profile

clarets



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Message Posted:
20/10/2009 09:07

Hi Mark,the Clarets narrowly went down 3-2 at Ewood, but the Rovers did have a little help from the ref......Beastie was definitely pushed in the lead up to their second goal. I agree we are not potent on the road, but the 100% home record at the fortress speaks for itself. And we are in the top half of the Premiership........Blackburn are 13th as we speak/write. I noticed Leeds grazed it last night with the injury time winner coming from Beckford.........you may be heading back to the Champioship again!

moonrakers


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Message Posted:
20/10/2009 09:29

message 14.



Cyprus was ruled by Turkey ( The Ottomans ) for 300 years so has a claim to be called the motherland by Turkish people living here.



message16.



'Beastie' collided with his own player and was not fouled...sorry !. Keep winning at home and you will probaly stay up.



Moonrakers

malsancak


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Message Posted:
20/10/2009 09:32

I intended this post to discuss the serious issues such as the Cyprus Problem and not stupid games like football! My attitude has got nothing to do with West Ham being in the drop zone and that was definitely not a penalty...

Mal

TRNCVaughan


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Message Posted:
20/10/2009 09:34

Hi mmmmmmmmmm,



yr msg 8



"For sure there are more Turks than TCs, in the 'north'. So any vote on CY has to decide who is a 'citizen'.."



I think any vote in TRNC depends on who can vote, and there are many "citizens" here who come from TR. I'm not so sure they will vote the same way "proper" TCs might. It could be their vote in a referendum which swings the result. I can't see Turkeys (pardon the pun) voting for Christmas.

clarets



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Message Posted:
20/10/2009 12:00

Moonraker.....Beastie did not collide with his own player....it was actually Di Sante who pushed Jordan(our left back......and not Katie Price!) into him,thus putting him off balance. It still did not excuse Alexander's woeful header!

moonrakers


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Message Posted:
20/10/2009 17:36

Call it what you will...the beastie still did collide with his own player albeit as the result of the 'domino effect' .

It was a soft goal to give away.

andre 514


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Message Posted:
21/10/2009 18:15

vaugn msg 19,



6xm is still interested enough in the cyprus "problem"

to remind us that "there are more turks than tc's in the north" (sic)



I wonder why that is so important to him

ilovecyprus


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Message Posted:
21/10/2009 18:50

From what I can see the Greek PM hasn't helped at all. Most of his talk is of the North making concessions and nothing given in return by the South.



In fact, all he has probbaly done is given Christofias a little more courage now that the motherland is showing it's support. For example, in the prescence of the Greek PM Christofias has said “if there is no solution, due to the stance of the Turkish side, we will embark on an international campaign so that the world community will pinpoint the perpetrator and take measures.”

Not really the talk of peace is it, its words which are likley to increase the tension.

MUSIN M


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Message Posted:
21/10/2009 21:08

mark



spot on ,they have undone the little good they have achieved ,today the turkish pm advised the gc

pm and reminded him that their are two peoples and two nations,and turkey have stated that the

ports will stay closed to greece until all embargos are lifted on north cyprus.



backwards or forward ,it seems to me one step forward two steps back.



musin



long live the kktc

andre 514


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Message Posted:
21/10/2009 23:16

mark message 23:



but I wonder what christophias could engineer that they aren't doing already?



'course if they are determined to continue this line they may be in for a shock

...not that I am personally for or against that,

but it is they who will be the losers still in the broadest sense of all

will shut up about annexation now,

since I am in imminent peril of telling cypriots what they should and shouldn't do (as if)



mark 6xm (no relation) has gone a bit quiet, he is probably waiting on a high court verdict